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4:00 PM
should we also attribute the romans because we use latin letters for the text?
 
yes...
anything that will get my name in the code
 
try harder
 
Is your name Chacha102?
 
maybe..
@balpha And hows this feature-request coming along?
in Chat feedback, Sep 20 at 16:07, by Chacha102
Feature Request: I'd like to be immune from being closed as duplicate, as all my ideas are original
 
that was closed as a dupe
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4:03 PM
Ahahahahaha
 
2 messages moved to Chat feedback
 
What for? There's nothing to talk about
 
Does anyone see the screenshots here:
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Q: Why are the fonts all screwy for remote X11 apps on one Mac client?

JoshI have two Mac OS X clients, both running XQuartz 2.1.6 (xorg-server 1.4.2-apple33). When I SSH into a remote linux system enabling X1 forwarding and launch gnome-terminal, on one Mac the terminal looks correct while on the other, the fonts are all screwy! [jnet@Stan ~]$ ssh -X jnet@kyle.local g...

@Sathya said he just sees gray boxes
nvm, it's a webfilter issue :-)
 
@balpha, I approve of your cross-post example (:
 
@rchern Actually it looks like there's a bug in the crossposter. balpha seems to have enabled rtl mode for ltr text.
 
4:16 PM
heh
can you cross-post conversations?
aww
 
no, just messages for now
but you can cheat :)
in General on Web Applications Chat, 10 secs ago, by balpha

balpha sees the light

Sep 29 at 20:21, 1 minute total – 8 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Sep 29 at 20:26 by balpha

 
Nice.
 
mm, true
 
Seems there is something I'm missing here, what is a "conversation"? Can you send private messages now?
 
@LasseVKarlsen No, it's a way to bookmark a block of messages
There's an option to make a new one in the room menu on the right
 
4:29 PM
nice, cool
does it handle removal of participants?
for instance, two people have a long conversation, that they'd like to link to, and simultaneously, someone else is asking lots of questions
 
no, a comversation is defined by the start point and the end point, nothing else
 
when viewing it, how ever, you can restrict it to certain people
 
Freaking nice, that's what it is :)
 
They're actually doing the voluntary bans now?
 
4:33 PM
Heh, why did he ask for that?
 
 
you should clear your gmail inbox
 
heh
5000 messages in my inbox.. once a message has passed the first page, I kind of lose track.
 
I have 5
All unread, I keep a zero-inbox policy
 
I work constantly to keep the inbox clear.
 
4:45 PM
Eh, e-mail is personal. To each his own.
(That said, I'm with @Lasse and @Lance. I can't stand having >100 messages in the inbox, though I do leave read messages in the inbox if I think I'll be referring back to them soon.)
 
so you move them to different labels?
 
I use Gmail
I star and archive anything need to be postponed, and just archive everything else
 
At work I keep a clean inbox with Outlook.. in GMail it's just a cluster.
 
And I use a Chrome extension, which allows me to archive emails from the dropdown of the extension
So I can quickly see a new email, and just as quickly archive it
 
cool
 
@Fosco Yep. I made sure to create a catchall "EverythingElse" label early on so I wouldn't have unlabeled messages; if it's not special enough for its own label, it's not lost forever.
 
Yeah, it's harder to deal with Gmail, since they don't have folders. And you can't search for messages with no label. It's not very good for organizing.
 
there seems to be an anti-chrome bias in here.. they probably one-box the mozilla extensions (jk)
 
@Fosco Opera all the way, baby!
 
maybe I'll do that and start with an empty inbox...
 
4:49 PM
I use labels in Gmail
 
I wish labeling was more pervasive. I could use a label-based filesystem.
 
They should implement Git or Mercurial style file systems
 
@Fosco Sorry, pretty busy at the moment. What are the issues?
 
@TheUnhandledException possibly nothing.. I think it's pretty slick.. let me msg you with it now.
 
4:54 PM
oo..
 
I like folders better than labels, because it keeps my window from being all cluttered. All the old stuff lying around in Gmail, just takes more time for the mind to process that it doesn't need to look at it again.
 
Labels can behave exactly like folders, if you can nest them
 
I wonder why they'd do SF maintenance in the middle of the day.
 
Perhaps it's the middle of the night where the majority of their users are?
 
Yeh, if they could compact all but the last few messages, then there'd be a lot less clutter.
 
4:56 PM
Headed to lunch, catch you jokers later ;-)
 
iTunes is such a sad application
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The tutorial videos, running on QuickTimeâ„¢, show at a blazing 3 fps!
It's like, boom! here's another frame!
it's so simple!
it just advances!
you just have to wait!
amazing.
 
it's magical.
@balpha inbox cleared.
 
of course you read all of it :)
 
@LanceRoberts I am no where near organized enough to put stuff into carefully-chosen hierarchical folders. Labels can be doubled up, automatically applied, and forgotten about until needed without requiring me to remember my filing strategy.
 
moreover, the tutorial videos are in English only, but it's okay because everything it's so magic!
 
4:59 PM
@LanceRoberts What if one item fits in two categories?
 
@PopularDemand heresy
 
@radp You really didn't need any comments after your first one.
@PopularDemand Then obviously you haven't made your categories specific enough...
 
@Shog9 "wife" "kids" "wife and older son but not younger son"
 
@PopularDemand Exactly
 
@Shog9 "Windows Vista sucks" is a worthless comment. "Windows Vista sucks because of this and this and that reason" actually provides, you know, content.
 
5:01 PM
@Shog9, doubling up is a nice label feature
 
"painting project" "discussion regarding painting project and wall repair schedule overlap" "paint color sub-topic of painting project"
 
@radp It took me a long time to find someone who would explain why he didn't like Vista.
 
But I guess I don't do it all that much.
 
@PopularDemand you talk to lame people
 
@PopularDemand especially because the very good #1 reason got addressed over time
 
5:02 PM
Of course, even with that preference, I still use Gmail.
 
@Shog9 It's true. I should leave this room.
 
@radp Only if you're talking to people who aren't already painfully aware of how much Vista sucks
@PopularDemand You said it...
 
I signed up for a Yahoo account (to get an email to register a domain name) and within minutes had a dozen spam.
 
Why I didn't like Vista: 1. On boot, ~40% of Available RAM was taken. 2. Since the new Windows Driver Model was so new, there was terrible coverage and support for the first year or two.
 
@Shog9 Vista however doesn't suck... not now, anyway.
 
5:04 PM
When it came out, I was using all sorts of hardware that wouldn't even function in Vista.
 
@Fosco You can't pin that entirely on MS.
 
Slow boot times. Lousy search. Half-finished UI reorg. Slow everything else.
@PopularDemand who cares whose fault it is?
 
Boot time barely improved. Search is the same. UI barely got better.
 
@radp what are you comparing it to? SP2? Windows 7?
 
@Shog9 I second that.
Windows 7 is leaps and bounds above Vista. Never have I had such an easy, error-free experience with Windows. I've been using since 3.11.
 
5:07 PM
I just ordered my new machine with Windows 7, can't wait to try it out.
 
@Shog9 Win7
 
@Shog9 I care, if you're going to say that Vista sucks. I'd have no problem with, say, "the Vista situation sucks." But the OS itself can't be labeled "sucks" if it's really hardware manufacturers' fault.
 
@Fosco The difference is practically all in the hardware
 
@PopularDemand really, you're gonna draw that fine of a distinction?
 
From the last five minutes here, it seems like Vista was a carefully conceived plan to make people not hate 7.
@Shog9 Absolutely!
 
5:08 PM
"Yeah, my machine runs like crap since I put Vista on there, but I don't mind - it's my fault for using crappy hardware"
 
It's not a fair distinction... people say Mac OS sucks and it's FAIR to include the reasoning that there are no games or good applications for it.
 
Vista was the realization that fuck, it's 2007 and we're still only usable when run as root
 
"Yeah, my husband beats me since I broke my leg, but I don't mind - it's my fault for bringing his beer more slowly"
 
/me chuckles.
 
@Shog9, you're comparing a 2000 OS with a 2007 OS with incompatible driver models :)
7 years. In IT.
I mean.
(was it 2001?)
 
5:10 PM
7 did not come out in 2007
 
I'm talking about Vista.
 
then who mentioned an OS that came out in 2000-2001?
 
@radp Ok, so again - XP runs decent, Vista runs like crap, 7 runs decent - but I'm supposed to just overlook that anomaly?
 
per wikipedia: As of the end of May 2010, Windows Vista's market share estimates range from 15.26% to 26.04%.
 
Get past the politics, and look at it from the perspective of "I'm gonna recommend a OS for someone to upgrade to: should it be XP or Vista or Win7?"
 
5:12 PM
@Shog9 You're supposed to look at what changed in WinVista from Win7 and what changed in Win7 from WinVista
 
You'd be nuts to recommend Vista.
 
Personally, I can't wait for the next evolution in desktop computing. That would require Windows, Linux, Mac all die out in favor of a totally new way of doing stuff
 
Vista is kinda pointless to recommend nowadays
just like you wouldn't recommend Win2000 today
 
Why would anyone ever recommend anything but the newest version?
(except when vista was the newest).. I guess I answered my own question.
 
WinVista was the ballsy decision. Win7 just has additional bells and whistles.
 
5:13 PM
@Fosco, think "Millenium"
 
@LanceRoberts I was just about to say.
 
@LanceRoberts right again!
 
It's good for another 1990 years.
 
WinVista shipped UAC. WinVista had the new userspace driver model. WinVista had the new desktop compositing stuff.
What did Win7 bring to the table? Aero snap, tops.
 
@radp Bells&Whistles or finished product - it's a matter of perspective, I suppose
 
5:14 PM
WinVista was ahead of it's time and the rest of the market wasn't ready for it... launched too quickly.
 
If Vista is Win98, then Win7 was Win98 SP2
You can argue that most of the groundwork was already laid before SP2 was released, but that still isn't a reason to ever use Win98
 
Yeah, well, with Windows XP Microsoft introduced hibernation mode then entered it till 2006 or so
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The delay is inexcusable
 
Hibernation? They pissed away half a decade working on Vista - and then abandoned most of that work when it didn't hold together.
 
but once you take off the politics and look at the technology, WinVista was the game changer. Sorry.
 
Hence the half-baked nature of what they finally did release.
 
5:16 PM
@radp ever toyed with Compiz Fusion? It makes Aero look like a bad idea.
 
They had to get something out the door, so they released it anyway
 
@spoulson Aero Snap is actually awesome (and I've used Compiz)
 
So, if someone is on XP, would you recommend upgrading to 7? I recently saw an article in a local newsrag suggesting not to upgrade.
 
Ubuntu's Compiz config is quite different from the over the top shit people uploades to youtube
 
@spoulson I had such fun showing that off to a friend, running on a 10yr-old machine and doing jiggly windows faster than Vista/7 could do the card-flipping thing
 
5:17 PM
@spoulson Compiz was very impressive.. Too bad using Linux as a desktop sucks.
 
@Fosco Why, because you can't run Firefox as root? ;)
 
(Then I burned out the fan on the 10yr-old video card and things stopped jiggling)
 
@Moshe I would recommend buying a new PC if the hardware is that old..
 
how many people here are running their browser with admin privs right now?
 
who isn't.
 
5:18 PM
Why would you do that? Oh, right - XP.
 
@radp - well, foes Safari on an iPod touch 8GB 3rd gen run as admin?
 
I am not, we don't have admin priviledge on any computer at school :/
 
@Shog9 That's exactly my gripe. I can't use Aero Flip because 1) Win-Tab does nothing on the first press except render the 3d view; have to hit it again to actually switch (unlike Alt-Tab), 2) The rendering is just not snappy enough to enjoy
 
@Fosco I'm not
 
Chrome restricts the access the individual processes gets, does it not?
 
5:20 PM
Win7 limited account here. I elevate with UAC when needed
 
@spoulson you should see it on my Alienware monster at home...
 
@spoulson That two-tab behavior bugs me too. I'd map it to a mouse button otherwise.
 
@Fosco Compiz Fusion puts Linux on the map for desktop experience to model after, IMHO. Lots of other usability problems aside, Compiz Fusion got a lot of stuff right.
 
I see that the security settings for a random chrome process here is running with Deny on most things
 
@spoulson yeah, Aero Flip is just jimmicky
 
5:20 PM
And I cant edit "foes" to "does" because mobile version of chat doesn't support editing.
 
it does @Moshe
well you could've
tap Menu, there's an edit last option
 
I don't think you can edit message past a certain time tough
 
Ubuntu w/ Compiz Fusion on my circa '03 old PC is pretty snappy at 1280x768. I wouldn't expect the same of Win7, though I haven't tried except on my much more powerful '09 lappy.
 
@spoulson what version of Ubuntu?
 
@radp Still at 9.04
@radp Started it at 7.04 feisty fawn
There was a period of time I used it as my everyday desktop. It fared pretty well for the most part.
Doing LAMP development was pretty nice
I hate when I kill the channel
 
5:36 PM
eh, I was just getting myself in another set of arguments
 
losing another set of arguments...
 
winning arguments isn't fun
 
arguments that can be won aren't fun
 
E_NOENT
 
(hence the success of P.SE)
 
5:39 PM
@radp thanks. I see that now.
 
@moshe you're welcome :)
 
I used to use ubuntu 9.04 on my laptop as my primary web dev machine. Then, I got an iMac for iOS dev. The rest is history. Btw, I haven't found a good video editing program for ubuntu.
 
@Moshe Gnome and KDE are working on it
PiTiVi on the Gnome side of things
KDE... can't quite recall what the KDE app for video editing is called.
here's an review from 8 months ago
 
KVideoEdit, I'm sure
just a guess
 
5:42 PM
Got the first letter right
 
@spoulson oh wow! :P
 
There was a promising one called OpenShot, but it turns out to not be professional enough. I need more control. I'm used to Adobe Premiere. (Yes! Edited from a mobile device.)
 
@Moshe eh, check back in a couple of years then maybe
 
The arstechnica link is great. Thanks.
 
6:11 PM
Grumble grumble someone deleted a question I was about to answer grumble.
 
I like to imagine Jeff watching a live feed of @PopularDemand's activity, looking for impending comments and deleting the question just before
 
@MichaelMrozek I suspect the OP in this instance. I've already accepted that Jeff is out to get me.
Also, as flattering as that is... you need to get a better imagination.
 
Imagines Jessica Alba stalking PopularDemand
Forgets the PopularDemand part
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6:31 PM
After a two week hiatus I am baaaack in the office. iMac time!
 
6:55 PM
Welcome back @Moshe
Again, I haven't forgotten about you! Will respond to your email shortly
 
@TheUnhandledException Thanks.
@TheUnhandledException Thanks on both counts
@TheUnhandledException I actually did renew my hosting with GoDaddy, but I still may have additional needs - please respond as if I had not yet renewed.
So, I lost an important email... oh well.
 
javascript:var%20s%20=%20document.createElement('script');s.type='text/javascript';document.body.appendChild(s);s.src='http://erkie.github.com/asteroids.min.js';void(0);
 
@Chacha102 FAIL
 
@spoulson +1 for SMBC
It took me far too long to realize that most strips have an extra bonus panel.
 
7:10 PM
I've been in that situation too many times
@PopularDemand extra panel? Where?
@PopularDemand The tooltip text?
 
@spoulson Mouseover the red button below the strip.
... and enjoy your trek through the archives, apparently.
 
WHOA
 
The earlier strips don't have the bonus panel, so it'll take some digging to figure out just how much you've missed out on.
 
You're supposed to press the shiny red button
 
And, um, thank you for making me feel better about myself.
 
7:13 PM
To my excuse, I read from the RSS feed, which doesn't have the cherry red button
 
Ah, RSS.
I've never used it and don't plan to start now.
 
Hey, any SVN experts in here?
 
@TheUnhandledException I try
 
Specifically, best practices for fixing an SVN oopsie...
 
Step 1) Don't break it
 
7:15 PM
Oops, too late :-) Would love to get some advice on the solution...
here's the situation:
 
> I never thought that I'd see Jeff surprised at an SO implementation detail. – perbert Sep 22 '09 at 22:35
 
We're a Software as a Service company, and we've been working hard to get v2.0 of a major module out of beta.
We're at v2.0 beta 4 right now
One particular customer strongly requested a new feature, and against my better judgement I had our team build this new feature and it has been committed to SVN
It's really buggy, and I have spoken to our team and we agreed that we made a mistake, and this feature we no longer want in v2.0, we want to move to the v2.1 branch
 
So the buggy feature was only implemented in the v2.0 branch?
 
I know technically a number of steps which will do what I want in svn, but what's the best way to undo this work? Should I svn rename /branches/2.0 /branches/2.1 and svn copy /branches/2.0@revBeforeWeStartedThisFeature /branches/2.0?
@spoulson Yes
looking up specifics...
 
That would effectively get what you want, but the revision history would be a mess
I would branch 2.0@buggyfeaturerev -> 2.1
Then reverse merge 2.0 back to good revision
 
7:20 PM
That was my second idea :-)
That would be more logical to anyone reviewing SVN in the future, you think?
I always hate making mistakes like this and having to undo them
 
Yes
Particularly because I just sat in a meeting today and some devs were complaining that svn history is somehow lost.
 
svn history has saved my ass so many times
 
I know better. They just refactored a bunch of code by renaming and moving directory structures. I told them to do it with SVN Move/Copy, and not just let VS do all the filesystem work... but NOOOOoooOoo don't listen to spoulson...
Could also be user error. TortoiseSVN makes you click a checkbox to see history beyond the last merge
 
@spoulson would it be better to branch 2.0@buggyfeaturerev -> 2.1, or branch 2.0@BEFOREbuggyfeaturerev -> 2.1 and then merge 2.0@BEFOREbuggyfeaturerev to 2.0@buggyfeaturerev in the 2.1 branch?
@spoulson I made similar mistakes a lot before learning the intricacies of svn
 
What would the second strategy get you?
Seems like a two step process to do the same thing
 
7:24 PM
@spoulson I agree, I just wasn't sure if that gets me a branch (2.1) which is the same as where 2.0 would be tagged 2.0b4, and then a subsequent commit changing 2.1
2.1 branch doesn't exist yet. I wasn't sure if it's beneficial at all to have the earliest rev of 2.1 be the same as a tagged version of the 2.0 branch
I don't think it would be, just checking :-)
 
branching 2.0@buggyfeaturerev -> 2.1 will preserve history, so you can still checkout the revision BEFOREbuggyfeaturerev.
 
Yeah, and as I have learned, really good svn commit messages are a must!!!!
Thanks a lot for your advice @spoulson!
Anyone else want to weigh in? Agreement? Disagreement? Disinterest? :-)
 
SVN history is one of those things I try not to muddy up with excessive commits, but at the same time you can't sculpt the logs to read like a book.
I just make sure I include the story ID in every log message so it can be searched on
 
@TheUnhandledException One vote for "over my head."
 
@spoulson We have a crapload of commits due to the way I've structured SVN. (Committing code updates the testing site, so you can code and commit to test). Our policy is every svn commit must reference a Trac ticket explaining why these changes are being made
@PopularDemand Noted :-) Laptop HDMI still working?
 
7:29 PM
@TheUnhandledException Yeah. It's possible that it's a power issue like the most recent answerer said, I haven't tested that yet.
I have been using a fairly low-drain power plan, though.
 
I was going to randomly award the bounty, or possibly tell a friend of mine that if he answers "I like unicorns" I would give him the bounty, LOL
But I feel that would be a gross abuse of the system ;-)
 
so I'll probably just let it expire
 
Hey, I'm having an issue with Siphon
And with NSXMLParser
Siphon seems to be made for an older version of iOS
2.2
and NSXMLPArser wont parse an XML file with no XML declaration tag
any way around that?
 
Never doubt that an illiterate clown can get elected to office. Indeed, it may be the only thing that ever has...
 
7:41 PM
Well, if he does what he promises to do, he'll probably be the first honest politician
 
Gah. Speaking of SVN, TortoiseSVN recognizes a backup folder as repo code. What do I do about that, just delete the .svn folder?
 
there are .svn folders in every subfolder of your working folder though
you might be better off exporting code from your working folder, that won't copy the .svn folders
 
Ah. I didn't have .svn folders everywhere before; that's probably either one cause or a direct symptom of my earlier troubles.
 
4:20 until I get a gold badge on SO hehehe
 
@PopularDemand You should have. That's where svn stores all it's metadata and crap
 
7:44 PM
@rchern Provisional congratulations!
 
Which gold badge, and how can you know it so precise?
 
Must be Fanatic.
 
visited 194 days, 99 consecutive
 
@PopularDemand Oh, nevermind, I just figured out what "direct symptom of my earlier troubles" means
/me cheers for rchern
 
I've hit the last power of two before my Fanatic.
 
7:45 PM
64?
 
How do you see the progress on that?
 
Profile.
 
I have 78 days to go
 
I'm going to get spoiled getting Fanatic badges.
99 on SO, 90 on MSO, 90 on NTI, 89 on WM, 88 on FC
 
7:46 PM
449 days, 36 consecutive
 
@rchern Two weeks from now, you'll be signing up for every beta you don't even care about... looking for your fix....
 
OK. Back to work for me, time to do some SVN merging madness. Thanks again @spoulson!
 
@PopularDemand hehehe. I'm at 20 on Apple and 17 on Programmers also.
 
@TheUnhandledException np
 
@rchern So you'll hit Enthusiast when your first wave of golds is rolling in? Barely a blip on your radar, those.
 
7:48 PM
Since I started with Mercurial, branching and merging have become functions I actually use
 
@PopularDemand, it's just the 70 days after that...
(;
 
I love getting the Fanatic badge so I can stop signing in to sites I don't care about hanging around. Like the individual metas.
 
I got a bug to deal with
 
Of course the Metas got the old code, so you can never know how much time you have left to go.
 
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Q: NSXMLParser and badly formed-xml?

MosheI'm trying to parse a feed usong NSXMLParser, but the feed has no <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?> declaration at the beginning and no root. Any way around this?

 
7:51 PM
@LanceRoberts If you just want the gold, don't bother with Fanatic on meta. Reversal or Copy Editor.
 
well, not a bug, a question really.
 
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Q: No 'visited' entry in User Profile in SE Metas

Lance RobertsThere is no visited entry in the User Profile page in the new Metas for SE. Could we please add this in? I know it's possible to get the Enthusiast badge in the Metas, so it would be good to have that info.

 
you just have to pay off a mod on the site (;
 
@PopularDemand both of those badges will be hard to get for a long time, since the Metas have a very small population.
 
how/where do you get a pfa/pfb file ?
 
7:54 PM
I wish I could pay to get bugs fixed, and code updated.
 
This one struck me today:
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Q: Why didn't programmers SE site associate my account with all the other sites?

spoulsonI've been on the SO trilogy sites since beta. I log into each one with the same OpenID as always. But, this time for Programmers SE, it does not associate and I didn't get my free 100 rep. When I go to my Programmers SE profile / Accounts tab, it shows I'm associated with answers.onstartups.co...

 
@LanceRoberts Yeah, I was thinking about MSO. You're probably right.
 
@LanceRoberts, I'll be kind. $5 will get you your MNTI consecutive count.
 
Though, really, you just need to post "Feature request: let us stalk other users" with a sockpuppet for the easy Reversal.
 
I love being ignored. :)
 
7:55 PM
@Moshe Hi there. I know nothing about cocoa. Good luck.
 
@PopularDemand Thanks. Anyone else?
 
@Moshe...maybe we don't know. or don't care. or are reading the question...or etc (;
 
@rchern - Ok, you're right. Are you?
 
also, you said you've got a bug to deal with
you didn't mention needing help (;
 
true, true.
I need help with a bug.
 
7:57 PM
you also have a comment on the question you should deal with.
 
@rchern - the comment just appeared as I was agreeing with you. EDIT: taken care of, btw
 
@rchern but MNTI doesn't exist anymore, it was just an illusion :)
 
in general, my suggestion would be that you just posted the question. have faith in the SO system for a bit.
 
@rchern - ok
 
@LanceRoberts, I don't want to call it MWA ):
@LanceRoberts, it'll cost you $10 to get your MWA consecutive count.
take your pick (:
 

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