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11:37 PM
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A: Moderators see a different reputation result than regular users

Martijn PietersThis is not a bug. You are seeing removed entries, which are entries in the log to inform you that a post was removed and what the net effect is of the removal. The total at the top reflects the daily reputation change including that net effect. The user sees the exact same thing depending on a ...

 
@janos: yes. The votes are no longer there, so any votes that were pushing you over the cap on days in the past will now no longer do so. Other votes that were capped may now take their place, of course.
 
@Shog9 - I have it on my own page, but not on any other user's page. Regardless, I would expect the daily rep total to be accurate.
 
@rolfl it is accurate. The votes are correctly capped; the deleted votes were not cast on the day the post was deleted, so why should they lower the cap? The user still have their 20+ upvotes that day, regardless of the delete.
 
@MartijnPieters - which vote count is accurate? 142 or 260? And, the daily total should reflect the daily total, whichever one that is. One of them has to be wrong.
 
@rolfl '260' is not a vote count. It is a reputation delta. That day the reputation changed by 142 points through various events. One of those events was the deletion of a post, which triggered the nullification of votes cast earlier in the users timeline.
 
11:37 PM
MartijnPieters - no, that day, reputation changed by 260, not 142, and moderators see the wrong value. It's a bug, despite @shog saying it's a bug-by-design.
 
@rolfl if the checkbox is disabled all voting for that deleted post is removed from the user reputation history too; earlier +10 votes for that post will be no longer be listed. With the checkbox on those votes become visible again and you see the moment in time those votes for the deleted post effectively became null and void.
 
Well, we clearly disagree, and since I have no way of seeing a person's reputation for the day, it's a problem.
 
@rolfl you can't have it both ways; the now-nullified votes visible in the user history and the deletion not having an impact. Then the books don't balance. This way the daily reputation changes add up properly to the current total reputation.
 
Martin, you are saying things as if I am unable to comprehend the problem. I do comprehend the problem, I need you to see things the way they are, not the way that you think they are.
 
I'm on a mobile here; not sure how conducive that is for chat.
 
11:43 PM
It's fine, I will hash it out directly with Shog9
 
I'm not sure that you do comprehend what the rep history is trying to give you.
 
You are all missing the point here... Moderators have no way of seeing a person's reputation for the day...
 
I know it took me a while to see the whole picture
I constantly do the basic arithmetic rather than switch of that checkbox.
 
THERE IS NO CHECKBOX!!!!!
 
I know that
 
11:45 PM
Moderators do not see a checkbox at all...
and we can only see it with deleted content
 
No need to shout here
 
thus, we cannot see the rep.
 
I'm saying that on my own rep tab I never disable that box. It is as if I don't have it either.
 
You and Shog9 have repeatedly told me to check the chceckbox... but there is none
 
Yet is it that hard to take the deleted events and sum those?
 
11:47 PM
It can be, yes.
 
I understand you don't have the box, I also saw the link to Nick's post.
 
Right, so you also can then understand that when people say they have X reputation for the day, and I can't see that, there's a problem?
 
Can you see the /reputation audit log for someone?
 
no.
 
Right; it may be you then have a feature request here instead
Nick's post shows that the absence of the checkbox is intentional.
 
11:50 PM
Exactly, so, one of them is a problem, which one?
 
But again, I don't think that a quick summing of removed entries is all that hard, myself.
Nick assumed that moderators could handle seeing removed events all the time.
 
That's not the problem. Seeing the deleted content is fine, but having a way to se a persons reputation is also important.
Now, the question, and bug, is that what I see is not what everyone else sees, and sometimes that is very importantn
 
But I can see that seeing historical entries with and without deleted votes has value too.
 
So, your answer has misdirected the attention I needed for my bug report, and the issue has been muddied, and it was mostly unhelpful.
 
Since working out if a user was still capped on a day in the past can be mighty tricky in that case.
I'm sorry you find it unhelpful. That's rather aggressive of you to put it that way.
 
11:55 PM
Not at all, I find it rather frustrating to be told what should be important to me, when noone listens to what my concerns actually are, but, you did get FGITW.
 
And I disagree there; the formulation of your post does not indicate that you understand what the log is conveying.
 
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Q: Moderators see a different reputation result than regular users

rolflWe have a user (Hi Janos) who deleted an answer yesterday. They also managed to cap their reputation as well. When regular users inspect the profile of that user they see: NOTE THE 260 AT THE TOP The user himself sees the exact same thing. As a moderator, I see NOTE THE 142 AT THE TOP: Th...

The title spells it out quite clearly.
The issue is that I can't see what users see.
I don't need an explanation as to why.
I need a way to do.
I know why....
 
Shog had it wrong thinking you have that checkbox; I merely speculated that you might have it.
And if the user checks that box they will see the same view you see.
 
You put together a very convincing, authoratative answer, that is making assumptions that are not useful, or right... and assume I want to use the page for the reasons that are not the ones I want
 
Now, I can see the value in you switching between modes here. That'd be a feature request.
 

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