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vzn
2:31 AM
interesting ok thx
was that the 1st meta?
 
 
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vzn
3:50 PM
21 hours ago, by Pëkka
But how is this comment, for example anything but friendly?
a person tells you they are a member of an elite club of mgrs that are right quite possibly 99% of the time...
how is that different than "99% of the time while I am talking to you, I am right!"
that strikes you as friendly?
20 hours ago, by Pëkka
You may need to check your perception filters. Seriously.
 
vzn
4:30 PM
agreed on one aspect, this stuff is tricky to sort out...
nobody actually asked about my feelings but think am now realizing, the feeling is something like the following...
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the excessive mental stress and discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time. This stress and discomfort may also arise within an individual who holds a belief and performs a contradictory action or reaction. For example, an individual is likely to experience dissonance if he or she is addicted to smoking cigarettes and continues to smoke despite believing it is unhealthy. Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. ...
some more research/related stuff on this
eg tone research initiated by ceo joel spolsky
Seth Rogers on July 23, 2012

The quality of the Q&A on Stack Overflow continues to outshine any other on the Internet – thanks to the awesome community. Like any community, unspoken rules eventually become expectations. In the previous post in this series, Joel talks about how the community developed its own set of rules and norms that new recruits simply don’t know about. When a new comer walks into the group and puts her hand up for a high-five and gets chastised by the group because they don’t give high-fives, she walks away embarrassed with head hanging low. That’s unfortunate. …

 
vzn
5:00 PM
a bunch of cool links in that post
 
5:19 PM
As said, though, that post is about user behaviour.
It doesn't really have anything to do with moderation, or moderator tone.
> theres that word *constructive* again, used all over se like quality questions....
> apparently the whole enterprise is about constructing something largely through writing...
That's correct, it's what the place is mainly about.
That's its nature.
Again, can you clarify what exactly it is that you're trying to say?
 
vzn
hi Pekka
just thinking out loud
not expecting anyone to respond.
feel free to ignore this room if it suits you =)
the word "constructive" is not defined anywhere on se.
its a word that mods like to use at times to shutdown conversation.
& discussion...
basically am attempting to understand the sociological/psychological/anthropological aspects of se culture.
all my long comments here clarify. not expecting them to be understood
interested in aspects of etiquette etc.
 
 
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vzn
6:44 PM
the post by spolsky & followup(s) do not seem to distinguish between users/mods. surely some of the comments being surveyed are mod-written, statistically.
ie mods write about x% of all comments, and some would be expected to be included by chance in any statistical survey.
see this is the kind of thing that can be quantified.
of [n] total comments surveyed, [x] were unfriendly, [y] were written by mods. etc.
1 hour ago, by Pëkka
Again, can you clarify what exactly it is that you're trying to say?
can you be more exact about which specific preceding statement in this "discussion" is not exact enough?
wonder if there is anything more recent than ~1¾yr on "friendliness analysis" or maybe it was just a temporary/passing moment
it is indeed interesting that spolsky et al figured out a way to objectively measure/analyze comment friendliness/politeness. it is a miniscientific study (unf not written up in a paper)
pekka, you seem to hope this overall inquiry is some simple issue that can be resolved/boiled down to a simple meta post, maybe which has an answer that can earn someone some se pts...
in this way the se model/"worldview" is not always ... sufficient/helpful/acceptable ...
an inquiry into friendliness of se comments is in a way a meta analysis "outside the system"... in a way from the outside looking in...
 
vzn
7:13 PM
> when you have a hammer everything begins to look like a nail
 
vzn
7:29 PM
another thought... expressed elsewhere... anyone heard of this before?
__NOTOC__ "The customer is always right" is a motto or slogan which exhorts service staff to give a high priority to customer satisfaction. It was popularised by pioneering and successful retailers such as Harry Gordon Selfridge, John Wanamaker and Marshall Field. They advocated that customer complaints should be treated seriously so that they should not feel cheated or deceived. This attitude was novel and influential when misrepresentation was rife and caveat emptor (let the buyer beware) was a common legal maxim. Variations include "le client n'a jamais tort" (the customer is neve...
a maybe relevant metaphor.
how does it apply to se? are there "customers"? if so who are they? etc
another zen question to ponder...?
The Thinker (') is a bronze sculpture by Auguste Rodin, usually placed on a stone pedestal. The work shows a nude male figure of over life-size sitting on a rock with his chin resting on one hand as though deep in thought, and is often used as an image to represent philosophy. There are about 28 full size castings, in which the figure is about high, though not all were made during Rodin's lifetime and under his supervision, as well as various other versions, several in plaster, studies, and posthumous castings, in a range of sizes. Rodin first conceived the figure as part of another wor...
 

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