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12:02 AM
@F1Krazy I wasn't detailed enough, and perhaps one explanation can't cover all SEs. Here is a real Writing.SE question. "How do I write in a sophisticated manner (though not convoluted)?" Suppose the questioner has a plan, "Paraphrase sophisticated stories", and wants a critique of their plan. Would it be appropriate for the questioner to ask the question and then provide an answer, "Paraphrase sophisticated stories"? — Hall Livingston 30 secs ago
On the compensation: does anyone else interpret the press release as "OAI get SO's data in exchange for SO agreeing to beta test OAI features"? Doesn't really seem like a balanced trade. — AShelly 48 secs ago
12:51 AM
@Catija I read this as "Indeed sucks" -- here's how a platform that does not suck should work. So if Stack is moving to Indeed, it should still allow Stack-like manipulation of the data. Then it will suck less than Indeed. The last paragraph is the key. — mdfst13 36 secs ago
1:07 AM
The instructions regarding what to do to make the post on-topic that appear in the close-banner seem clear-enough to myself. If you need further clarification, then I suggest you post a query on the per-site meta: maths meta. Please be aware that there is a sandbox you can post in "for long and complex posts": maths sandbox. They will help you refine the post as needed. — W.O. 37 secs ago
1:30 AM
Please also remember that according to section 6 of the CC-BY-SA license, any breach of the license not cured within 30 days of you being informed of it will terminate the license. This would render displaying affected contributions on any of your sites and using your AI illegal, with or without attribution. I promise to that I will do everything in my power to see my copyright upheld and I urge all users to do the same. This kind of willful ignorance of copyright on part of SE should not be tolerated. — Kryomaani 33 secs ago
@AykhanHagverdili if they do not attribute each an every user whose contributions are used, they are in direct breach of the CC-BY-SA under which all contributed content has been licensed. It seems quite clear from how unrealistic fulfilling this is that SE is acting in bad faith and not intent on upholding the license in the first place. — Kryomaani 11 secs ago
1:48 AM
LLMs are pretty much the same as a lossy compression algorithm combined with a compiler, so the output naturally is a mechanically combined derivative of the input. This means all licences on all of the input must be honoured, which means they’d have to open up all the “training data” if they include copylefted works in them. — mirabilos 58 secs ago
Remember what was done before: forced relicensing - comprising (alleged) breach of contract with the userbase - nothing to stop them doing it again irrespective of our wishes or concerns. @Kryomaani — W.O. 50 secs ago
@mirabilos I'm more concerned with the situation where the trained model itself is ruled to be a derivative work. — bta 45 secs ago
2:03 AM
@W.O. well, that is sadly true, but it doesn't mean we should go down without a fight. The only logical course of action is to 1) Stop contributing and 2) Issue DMCA or other suitable process of copyright notice any time SE breaches the license of your contributions. I've already done 1 and will be doing 2 if this move goes through as advertised. — Kryomaani 20 secs ago
2:15 AM
@Piper what settings? what do they do? who are they surfaced to for changing? — super-starball-ultra 53 secs ago
2:26 AM
it is, of course; just because you can lossily JPEG-compress a picture doesn’t make the JPEG file not a derived work of the original picture, and you can decompress it and get a substantially similar result back, which people have proven for LLMs as well (by now, really substantial amounts of “training data”) — mirabilos 56 secs ago
2:54 AM
Well that's the other side of things - SE's acting as an upstream for other AI properties, and the threat there is what they do if that source of revenue dries up. — Journeyman Geek just now
Why would someone who's good with Pets be considered qualified to edit code, or edit vote on complex physics or mathematics problems? — W.O. 28 secs ago
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4:37 AM
Hi Irfan, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Journeyman Geek 28 secs ago
4:48 AM
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5:56 AM
Hi Chickecode, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Journeyman Geek 43 secs ago
Why wouldn't it be an acceptable username? How is it profane or otherwise violating the Code of Conduct? Even if you drop "fsck" into Google, you get fsck (file system consistency check) on Wikipedia as the first result, and nothing that looks inappropriate in at least the first dozens of results. What actually prompted you to think that it might be a problem? — Makyen 14 secs ago
6:10 AM
Why wouldn't it be an acceptable username? How is it profane or otherwise violating the Code of Conduct? Even if you drop "fsck" into Google, you get fsck (file system consistency check) on Wikipedia as the first result, and nothing that looks inappropriate in at least the first couple/few dozen results. What actually prompted you to think that it might be a problem? — Makyen 59 secs ago
@Makyen I imagine they might think it would be a problem because it is one letter off from a problematic word. I don't agree with that idea though. — Daedalus 49 secs ago
It is, of course, possible that someone tries to use any text as a stand-in for a problematic four letter word. If it is inappropriate would depend on the surrounding circumstances. If we are going to say that it's a problem just because there's one character difference, then we need to ban "buck", "duck", "luck", "muck", etc. Now, that doesn't mean that all sequences of four characters which are a single letter off from that word are OK, as there are some that are very clearly intended as profane/inappropriate, and others that are clearly intended that way based on usage. — Makyen 38 secs ago
Everyone can flag, unless you've been suspended from doing so for being "naughty". @roundabout — W.O. 8 secs ago
Somewhat related: Why do I need 50 reputation to comment? What can I do instead?. Read the second paragraph in the answer. — HolyBlackCat 39 secs ago
"Will this abide by the CC by-SA license that posts are under?" Just as a comment. It may not need this. The posts may also be under a more permissive license for the company as written in the TOS. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 10 secs ago
Good question. From past experience I would not expect many answers anytime soon. But nice that you asked. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 12 secs ago
A flippant answer would be "engage more on the site or get 200 reputation somewhere. A more serious answer is I'm unsure what's the right way for a "low rep" user who has almost no reputation on a site to do more advanced meta moderation tasks. Quality control very much is a meta-moderation task that expects a certain level of platform and subject matter expertise. — Journeyman Geek 39 secs ago
The answer is not relevant to the actual question, sadly. (OP with 1 rep only, can't even flag.) — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 23 secs ago
"There aren’t specific details yet because the work is just starting..." It would be very nice if more specific details could be shared when the work has progressed more, just to be more assured. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 49 secs ago
@mirabilos I agree with the technical description although there may be an argument that such LLMs compress so strongly that maybe only a tiny amount is taken from each work and that may make a difference. Anyway the courts or the legislation may well decide one way or the other. We should wait for a few of such court cases to see how it's seen legally. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 22 secs ago
OP never said that tho- and I'd argue this is a perfect opportunity to do what I said into action :D. What should an OP with 1 rep only do? — Journeyman Geek 53 secs ago
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