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Journeyman Geek

02:05

erf

Feeds

04:46

stackoverflow.blog/2022/08/30/…

Journeyman Geek

05:47

hm. We need flags

and the hinduism one is definitely spam too

tripleee

06:09

pet peeve: s/definate/definite/g

Journeyman Geek

07:13

@tripleee yeah, I shoulda spellchecked it

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Shadow The Kid Wizard

07:48

@Luuklag k

tripleee

08:16

@JourneymanGeek I think you mean "should of" (-:

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@tripleee lol good luck fixing all JMG typos! :D

It's just a unique writing style ;)

Journeyman Geek

Less pedantry, more flagging!

@ShadowTheKidWizard ESL + dyslexia + thinking faster than I speak/type :D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Luuklag kaboom

@JourneymanGeek I know! All good. ;)

Journeyman Geek

tho I think one time, I was sleep deprived and didn't make any typos .

Shadow The Kid Wizard

So, thinking out loud, this new project of "Stack Overflow Ambassadors" is just a marketing project aka large scale advertising? @Journeyman what you think?

I really can't find a different, real, goal there.

Journeyman Geek

08:30

@ShadowTheKidWizard well It does seem marketing led

I actually don't mind the idea

Its got a lot of merits

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek like?

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Done right

Shadow The Kid Wizard

It'll just cause lots of hopeful young people to join SO, and crash when they get downvotes. No?

Journeyman Geek

maybe about 2-3% of people end up long term SE contributors

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard Marketing of course. Almost for free too, you only pay pizza.

Journeyman Geek

08:32

and about 10% end up okish

@Tinkeringbell never underestimate the power of free stuff. Or Pizza.

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Tinkeringbell

Yeah, you know how I think about that. I find it rather despicable to manipulate people with pizza

Journeyman Geek

But with most promotional contests there was a clear goal

@Tinkeringbell only cause of the tomatos.

Here its "lets get people together to... what?

Tinkeringbell

No, this is actually about a principle.

Journeyman Geek

I hear a mention of an API - but what sort of tools get built?

Tinkeringbell

As in 'you don't manipulate people, period.' kind of principle.

Journeyman Geek

08:33

@Tinkeringbell and T shirts and swag ...

Heck or shiny diamonds ;)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek pineapple! :P

Journeyman Geek

So I'm very much for manipulating the impressionable for the right reasons

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Sure, they can take keep the diamond too. But at least that one wasn't an exchange for marketing.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard Do you wish me pain?

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell but is does have to have pineapple on it

Shadow The Kid Wizard

08:35

@JourneymanGeek evil grin

Journeyman Geek

(I''m allergic)

Tinkeringbell

Using students, using kids, to do your marketing in exchange for pizza... is just not okay to me.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek suffer for the greater cause! ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell well in a sense, swag is marketing

@Tinkeringbell at what age is being manipulated with swag and food ok? :D

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Never, actually.

Journeyman Geek

08:36

@ShadowTheKidWizard when I move out and get things done, I'm probably going to do nothing but cheese and tomato pizza.

maybe some mushrooms

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I'd take swag and food any day :D

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell and what would be the right way to get people aware of SE? :D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell I think you have a point, but you're putting too much into it.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard Actually I understand and agree with her point to an extent

I just have looser morals over such things

Shadow The Kid Wizard

They're not kids, they're adults who are well aware of what they do.

Tinkeringbell

08:37

@JourneymanGeek Those online ads that can be blocked with an adblocker.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard I did some really dumb things as a college student :D

So I disagree there

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Anyhow, the chance of SE doing it right, even after all the recent changes, is very very low.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard Well yes

but if they mess it up, maybe they'll learn

Luuklag

I think the entire thing is mostly marketing for SO for Teams, as they get a free instance, so they get familiar with it early on and are going to nag to their future employers for one.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Ignoring important questions is a bad start, as a small example. (People asking about goal, about API usage, and more, 0 replies.)

Journeyman Geek

08:39

or at least I'll get popcorn the next time ;)

@Luuklag the funnel to SO for teams is... SO and SE IMO

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek right now it is, but don't forget the importance of starting them young

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag and yeah that's basically it

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Luuklag they can give SO diary to school kids. ;)

Luuklag

@ShadowTheKidWizard hehehe

anyone wanna slap stat-review on this? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/381622/…

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Luuklag hmm? What's stat-review?

Journeyman Geek

08:41

So, where I am now I have 2 concerns

Shadow The Kid Wizard

ohh add status review lol

Journeyman Geek

what's the benefit to SE and SO

and making sure we don't have a bunch of enthusiastic newbies who are in a perfect place to be mentored crash and burn

.... which belongs in the answer

Shadow The Kid Wizard

yep

Journeyman Geek

Done

As SE's wont to do, timezones and all

I woke up, had a coffee, found that question featured, and posted an answer :D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

huh pity it's below -8, I need extra clicks to find it.

Journeyman Geek

08:46

interesting vote spread there

its controversial rather than unpopular

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Or to have the request to show featured questions on homepage even when score is low implemented...

Journeyman Geek

Well it actually makes sense here

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Nope

Journeyman Geek

I'd be more worried for those posts that were actually unpopular and piled on on

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Featured content should not be hidden in any way.

Journeyman Geek

08:48

I mean, it makes sense not to sink this down

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek wait, you did it before brushing teeth?!

:D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard It isn't, it's right there at the top of the page:

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard after coffee. BRUSH TEETH THEN COFFEE

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yeah but it's not part of the list most people look at.

Tinkeringbell

That's not hidden though.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

08:50

@JourneymanGeek you forgot that detail! Shame. ;)

Tinkeringbell

That's just it not being in a place where you want it to be.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell hidden from the list of questions shown as default in MSE homepage.

Better? :D

@Tinkeringbell yeah, in a way. Cheese still there, but harder to find.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard No, as it's just not in the list but it's still there on the page, so it isn't hidden.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard its also on the right side bar

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek that's what Tink keep saying, yep.

tripleee

09:29

review-pls NAA, possible spam webmasters.stackexchange.com/a/140261

Luuklag

@tripleee yeah NAA at the very least

tripleee

flag-pls spam very thinly veiled english.stackexchange.com/questions/594363/…

Luuklag

@tripleee poof

Journeyman Geek

→ 39 messages moved to Chimney

DialFrost

10:08

Hi guys, quick question, why does highlighting Zalgo text, make the top and bottom part disappear

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Because the top and bottom parts aren't really top and bottom parts.

@tripleee spam IMO, flagged.

DialFrost

@ShadowTheKidWizard hmm good point :P

Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:29

Well more seriously, the text is all in same line, what we see as "text above" and "text below" are just the quirks of the browser rendering it.

(as far as I know, never really learned about it)

Journeyman Geek

@DialFrost basically "zalgo text" is stacked diacritics

unicode symbols meant to modify other letters 'abused' to look noisy

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek ‮not just noise, also other fun stuff :D

try to star and see what happens ^

I think, didn't try it for a while... :P

Luuklag

12:23

What do you guys think of these edits?

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/381629/revisions

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Luuklag left a comment.

As for screenshot it's not required, but won't fight over it, some people prefer to see whole screenshot rather than just a quote so it's fine.

Removing the staff tag was pure mistake though, it's a very relevant tag.

Luuklag

12:43

@ShadowTheKidWizard yeah not going into an edit war over that either

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Looks like things are calm now.

And Ambassador keep getting downvotes which is pity as I have a feeling that if explained better, could even have positive score.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard Well yeah, that's how votes work, don't they? But if you feel you can improve the post, go for it. That's also how SE works ;)

So the voting is not a pity, the voting is exactly doing what it's supposed to be doing to an unclear post.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

13:13

@Tinkeringbell the pity is the feeling it could be done better.

Tinkeringbell

Ah. Well that feeling should be with the OP of a post, not others ;)

Wouldn't let it bother you too much that someone else messed up :)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I'm sympathetic. ;)

@Tinkeringbell well, also pity because it's not the OP's fault, Rosie is just the messenger.

Tinkeringbell

Fair. Author then, not OP

@ShadowTheKidWizard Yeah, and I'm saying you shouldn't be having the same emotions, it's not your responsibility.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Still same, original poster of a question is the author.

Tinkeringbell

Someone wrote that post the way it is, and that person is the only one that can improve it. If someone is just the messenger, they may not have written the post, only posted it.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

13:17

@Tinkeringbell well I'm involved by (down)voting and commenting, so have some tiny bit of responsibility about the way it's received in MSE, not the project as whole of course.

Tinkeringbell

That's not... whatever.

It's not your responsibility to fix the post.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell it's common for staff to edit other staff member posts, but yeah, I get what you mean. It's not like the actual manager (might even be CEO himself) will go and post on MSE.

Tinkeringbell

It is your responsibility to do with that post as appropriate, but if you're going to feel pity over that, then you might just want to stop using the site.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell nah, feeling pity over posts is rare, I usually feel just fine. :)

Mithical

@ShadowTheKidWizard well he should

Journeyman Geek

13:28

@ShadowTheKidWizard I'm not happy about downvotes but there's nothing we can do about it

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nothing we can do about others downvoting, or us downvoting because we have reason to downvote?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard yes

I get votes on meta are about agreement or disagreement

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Mithical the CEO posting on MSE? Nah, it's gone with Jeff. And to be honest I'm fine with it, as long as others can post on his behalf, just need to, well, be more clear sometimes.

Journeyman Geek

erf

I do wish they'd hire people who could do meta tho :D

Our current CMs will be fine eventually

But its a learning curve on its own

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Shog could make the curve go upside down. :P

If SE management had some sense, they could have at least hire him as external advisor to the CM team, but alas, this train already left the station long ago.

Journeyman Geek

13:43

@ShadowTheKidWizard even if you got good mentorship - Shog wrote as shog does

you find your own voice, but that takes time

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek sure, but Shog could surely help them a lot, even behind the scenes.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard Few things really

I suspect shog's quite happy where he is

and I'd really want SE to make more of an effort to hire in community... as hard as it is

My own situation aside

(actually if I gave up, I'd probably be yelling at them to do it... :D)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek they hire, ~~fresh meat~~ new Values Associates keep being announced, don't remember they ever hired so many. :)

oh, you mean make existing users CM's.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard yup

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Well that's probably not as simple as it sounds.

Journeyman Geek

13:48

Meh

If it was easy, they'd have done it already

Journeyman Geek

14:18

But there's also the willingness to make it happen

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I believe there is.

Journeyman Geek

Well In which case we'll see those hires in a future round I guess

Tinkeringbell

Weren't there also some in previous rounds?

I believe some other hires had also been using SE previously.

Slate, for one.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell sure - but in most cases its also folks with CM experience

and there's not that many

Buuuut

I probably am extra grumpy cause history

they're a good bunch.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Fair enough. Still, there are CMs that used SE before becoming CMs, including recent hires :)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

14:33

Rosie started to reply, which is a nice turn of events. Announcement pretty much stable at ratio of 2:1 downvotes/upvotes which is fair.

@Tinkeringbell quite a few, but they weren't more active/involved than the average user.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard Something about shooting the messenger ._.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek better than shooting the Sheriff! :D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard Well, given how they're supposed to most of their work for average users, that's not something horrible.

Spevacus

@JNat Cross-site spammer stackexchange.com/users/19941109/assignment-help?tab=accounts - Currently serving a year-long suspension on Stack Overflow for promotional content, but they're spamming on WebApps now.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Bob Marley - I Shot The Sheriff (Studio Version)

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@Tinkeringbell not horrible at all, that's just a bonus. But, what Mr. Geek here wants is the super active members to get official promotion and become CM's. Which sounds ideal.

Tinkeringbell

14:37

Is it though? Who's going to be the super active member then?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well not all of them. Most won't be able to anyway, having a job they like already.

But those who can and want, will get it, and it's win-win.

And the bit-less-active would be able to fill the gap.

@Spevacus tsk tsk

Aug 18 at 9:07, by Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek Save the guy a click and link to the accounts tab: https://stackexchange.com/users/26094448/sonia-aggarwal?tab=accounts

:D

Saving a click a day keeps the doctor away!

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell Someone being both would be spectacular :D

Spevacus

Next time :) (Unless an extremely nice moderator wanted to change the link to stackexchange.com/users/19941109/assignment-help?tab=accounts )

Shadow The Kid Wizard

:)

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Yeah but... there are a few that are already both, so I fail to see why more?

Journeyman Geek

14:42

@Spevacus oh look, MODABUSE

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek not feasible, it's eating the cake and leaving it whole. ;(

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell why not?

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Like I said to Sha, most of the work a CM does is for regular average users anyways, so why would they need to be super active users?

Spevacus

@JourneymanGeek Thank ya much. You win the nicest-mod-of-the-day star. ⭐

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Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell not need, want. But can't, as their time would be dedicated to other things.

Journeyman Geek

14:43

@Tinkeringbell because sometimes its useful to know what's going on on the ground, before people have to tell you it is ;)

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Sure, but do you need to be super active for that, or is that something you can do as an average user?

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell Well, I do what I can as an average user

Shadow The Kid Wizard

and, another question hits the dust... (fell to -8 and below)

@JourneymanGeek you're not average user though.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard the stuff I do's learnable

Spevacus

upvotes in spite

Journeyman Geek

14:45

Just that I've had longer to learn it

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus Contacts CM for reversal of wrong votes.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

You're in the "Can't Be More Active Than That" users range, @Journeyman ;)

Spevacus

@Tinkeringbell Reports mean-mod-of-the-day for aboos

Shadow The Kid Wizard

aboo?

Spevacus

abyooze? I dunno.

Tinkeringbell

14:46

@Spevacus Has a full paper trail of actions, is not worried.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard Actually its less about activity than knowing the spaces I'm in well

Spevacus

@Tinkeringbell Starts passing out pitchforks and torches to the denizens of Meta

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus Hands out some downvotes to other denizens.

Spevacus

Well this was anticlimactic. Which I guess is Meta in a nutshell.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek you're always around. Almost 24/7. You do anything. So, activity plays major role. Knowing what you do is nice bonus for that. :D

Journeyman Geek

14:49

lol

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Spevacus ohh, so it's your version of @Tink's "fed". ;)

Journeyman Geek

I'm around randomly cause my job's wierd :D

Former job :D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek huh? You quit? No job these days?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Shadow The Kid Wizard

yay!!!

Journeyman Geek

14:50

One crazy roster too many

Shadow The Kid Wizard

This explains how you're even more active, yeah. :D

Journeyman Geek

pay was not that good

naw, last working day was yesterday

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh lol

Journeyman Geek

I hand my laptop over tommorrow

Shadow The Kid Wizard

But also, when you know it's the end, you don't really want to spend time there.

Spevacus

14:51

Pay wasn't good, long shifts that left you tired, iirc? Glad you're done with it. Any current plans or are you searching for the next big thing?

Journeyman Geek

But I think there's more to it than activity

@Spevacus the latter

Spevacus

Well then I wish you luck :)

Journeyman Geek

Actually the plan had been to stick around until I got the SE thing sorted

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Spevacus we should all wish him to fulfil his dream and become CM.

hmm

Journeyman Geek

Then it was to save for my apartment

Shadow The Kid Wizard

14:52

Maybe.... nah...

Journeyman Geek

which I did ;D

only

its delayed to next august

Spevacus

Darn.

Journeyman Geek

SO taking a break, upskilling, seeing if I can find something less nutty

lose a little weight too. ._.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Journeyman the brick wall with getting hired is only your location, or are there more factors in play?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard at this point? Location

Shadow The Kid Wizard

14:53

dang

Journeyman Geek

But frankly I'm not sure

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Guess relocation isn't an option?

Spevacus

The longer he spends there (in a location outside of where SE can hire), the quicker the current positions get filled, though, it seems.

Journeyman Geek

I just bought an apartment

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Spevacus it seems they create new positions every few months, so I'm not worried. ;)

@JourneymanGeek nice!

Journeyman Geek

14:54

So for now, I guess I'll do what I can for my 3 communities, and look elsewhere

and maybe I'll find a job that's awesome and I'll be like "ehhh, they took too long" :D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek that's same with relationships, you know.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard more specifically, I can pay the whole thing off, and the basics ;)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

So.... maybe two birds in one hit....

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard sure, but the right job and I probably am in a better place for matchmaking too

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I mean marry with your next boss. :D

Journeyman Geek

14:56

lol

We'll see

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Hey, it happens.

In soap opera and movies. :D

But I really wish you the best of luck to find a good job, and not too early, you need to rest a bit. @Journeyman

Journeyman Geek

lol

Life is a lot more boring

and sometimes wierder ;)

@Spevacus Well, they got funding, which I'm happy about

Spevacus

Yeah, the size of the team is looking fairly healthy. Though I imagine they still wish it were a bit bigger, given the scope of the stuff they've been up to lately.

Journeyman Geek

@Spevacus I think partially its needing to train people

partially - well, they need to ~~steal~~ attract folks with experience

Shadow The Kid Wizard

lol

Spevacus

15:01

Onboarding is quite likely a bear of a task for them. Existing members (ex-moderators like V2Blast and Slate, and previous-members like Vanny) likely have it a bit easier getting a handle on things, but there's likely a lot more involved than I can picture from my current frame of reference.

Journeyman Geek

@Spevacus well there's 'CMing'

and there's "dealing with this community"

Both are acquired skills

@Spevacus yup

Shadow The Kid Wizard

15:29

Probably the spam trigger with most fp's. (Link at end of body.)

But still some tp's so better keep it.

Tinkeringbell

15:41

@ShadowTheKidWizard Why hit birds?!

M.A.R.

@Spevacus eugh. Yuck. I need to wash my eyes.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard people editing posts to make things better...

M.A.R.

@Tinkeringbell lower the chances of cleaning bird poop from one's car, therefore reducing the water and energy required for cleaning, and saving the planet.

Journeyman Geek

basically system as designed? :D

M.A.R.

It's a small sacrifice.

Tinkeringbell

15:43

@M.A.R. I think if you hit birds, they will shit on your car intentionally

M.A.R.

There are no winners in war

Journeyman Geek

now the trick is to make someone elses car more attractive to bombing

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell hit in a good sense. runs away anyway

:D

@JourneymanGeek that's right. What about it? ;)

@M.A.R. actually I assume hitting a bird would make it poop, so you're wrong. :D

@Tinkeringbell exactly!

@JourneymanGeek make it look like a tree. Or whatever birds are used to poop on? ;)

And with that, going home. Cya!

M.A.R.

The other day one shat on my wrist which is why I'm waging a war against them

And it didn't look like a tree

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@M.A.R. nah that was out of love.

M.A.R.

15:49

Ew I'm not into that stuff

Shadow The Kid Wizard

How else would birds express their love for someone?

M.A.R.

By respecting consent

Journeyman Geek

not pecking out your eyes?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard pebbles

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell ravens might do it, other birds aren't strong/smart enough

Spevacus

15:56

@Tinkeringbell This is actually true for crows. Crows are apparently as intelligent as a 7 year old, can hold grudges if you do something they deem to be offensive, and will communicate with other crows to also hold that grudge against you.

So, in other words, don't piss off your local crows.

Tinkeringbell

16:35

@ShadowTheKidWizard I think the pebbles thing is actually penguins

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_penguin

V2Blast

17:50

@Spevacus Crows are scary smart

Shadow The Kid Wizard

18:04

@Spevacus like taking away their babies? ;)

@Tinkeringbell huh!

@M.A.R. I consent to not respect.

@g3rv4 bonfire ping, by your request! How are you? How's the week going?

hmm who else? Oh, I know!

But let's make it special.

Now let's find it...

@Bart I'm still waiting.

hehehe

@V2Blast what's the difference between a crow and a raven? Too lazy to just Google it... ;)

Also, which of those got to be featured in the movie by Hitchcock?

"still up" report in 3... 2... 1...

hmm that's a surprise. So, let there be coffee instead! :P

!!/coffee trip

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheKidWizard brews a cup of ristretto for @trip

Shadow The Kid Wizard

!!/google crow vs. raven

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheKidWizard No such command 'google'.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

:(

Fun fact: the only letters without any pingable users starting with them are: z, x, n, h, k, q, y, i, and o.

Let's shuffle them then.

in Shadow's Den, 10 secs ago, by FOX 9000

@ShadowTheKidWizard i o n h k q x y z

Shadow out. </dinner>

V2Blast

18:27

@ShadowTheKidWizard Different species, same genus, I think? They're both corvids, anyway

...Yep, looks like both terms refer to members of the genus Corvus; ravens generally refer to larger species within the genus.

Raven

A raven is any of several larger-bodied bird species of the genus Corvus. These species do not form a single taxonomic group within the genus. There is no consistent distinction between "crows" and "ravens", and these appellations have been assigned to different species chiefly on the basis of their size. The largest raven species are the common raven and the thick-billed raven. == Etymology == The term "raven" originally referred to the common raven (Corvus corax), the type species of the genus Corvus, which has a larger distribution than any other species of Corvus, ranging over much of...

Luuklag

19:32

o/

Tinkeringbell

\o how's life today?

Luuklag

busy

The oldest got swim practice, needed to pick up a bike from the bikeshop, etc. etc.

So now I'm back at work at half past 9

And how's life treating you @Tinkeringbell?

PM 2Ring

My favourite song about crows is The Twa Corbies. If you're not Scottish, it might be a wee bit hard to understand. ;) But there's a brief translation at the end.

"Twa Corbies" Maeve Gilchrist Trio with Maeve Gilchrist, Duncan Wickel, Aidan O'Donnell

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Tinkeringbell

19:54

@Luuklag It's okay. Temperatures are a lot better so I suddenly have this burst of energy to clean everything in the evenings/early mornings. Started throwing a bunch of stuff out, and sorting a whole lot of other junk into boxes

I'll see how long it lasts, hopefully I get everything done before I start thinking about something else to do.

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell Sounds like the wrong season to do these things

But yeah, talking about boxes, were living 5 years in this house already, and still have some boxes that never got unpacked

@sha you broke the starboard? i.sstatic.net/DncXo.png

mmm alwyas nice to get 3 random upvotes because someone decided to bump an old question where I have an answer

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Yeah, it was rather stupid of me to plan most of that for the summer vacation XD I'll try again around Christmas, at least for the cleaning. Having everything sorted and in boxes will help by then though

@Luuklag Everything is unpacked here... It's just that most of my craft stuff was in all different sorts of boxes and I'm now sorting it into other boxes of more uniform size and shape XD

Also I gathered an amazing amount of tools and spare parts, and manuals. Sorting through those too :P

I had some kitchen stuff from back when I was uni. Threw some stuff out, as I hadn't used it for nine months now

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell Yeah we had that too, we bought an ikea cabinet that has all these boxes that slide into it

really usefull

Tinkeringbell

Same with some other unpacked stuff. It had just been laying around, so now it's gone :P

@Luuklag I had those wooden thingies from IKEA with three small drawers in each. But I no longer have room to properly place those so all the drawers are accessible. So now I have Samla boxes ;)

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell We have a kallax, with dröna boxes in them. Really great thing. It has like 25 boxes, and also double like a seperator wall

Tinkeringbell

20:09

Yeah, I've seen those. They're awesome if you have space for them :D

Toyed with the idea of getting one as a separator wall directly behind the couch for a while, but there's not enough space

Luuklag

20:24

@Tinkeringbell I have it in the attic, deviding my office from the pile of junk boxes

sdk report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/381648/…

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag No attics here. Probably a good thing or it would be full of stuff I now threw out :P

Luuklag

20:43

@Tinkeringbell I've kept a few boxes of my study books. Their just gorgeous looking books, a shame to throw them out.

On the other hand I never use them.

Tinkeringbell

21:09

@Luuklag my study books are on my bookshelf. They were too expensive to throw out, and yes, some of them have gorgeous images :)

Luuklag

I don't have a place for a bookshelf, unfortunately

Tinkeringbell

You could get rid of the kallax :P

I don't have a kallax because I have a bookshelf :P

Luuklag

21:45

mmm 30 more rep till I max out today, probably not going to make it anyways

Journeyman Geek

23:47

hmm

@ShadowTheKidWizard - now that Rosie's answered, does it feel sufficient to reverse the downvote? :D

(cleaning up comments, and if it is, I was considering deleting the "I downvoted because..." )

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