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12:09 AM

As much as people here want to help - its very much an issue that community and the CMs need to sort out, without parachuting in mods, or soliciting votes. As mods, a lot of the time, we do need the moral high ground, and that means not doing the 'wrong' things for the right reasons.

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Rob

3:04 AM

@Spevacus He eats diamonds, and like Melo the Mül Converter he ..... diamonds. - Reference: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

Rob

4:06 AM

@JourneymanGeek, As best I can determine the "First Answers" queue was created 10 years ago, yet the Freelancing site's First Answers queue has had only a few reviews in several years, the "First Questions" queue has 2 reviews completed.

A couple of hundred people have done one review, there are three people with a Reviewer badge and none with a Steward badge - yet there are 20,824 users.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob Well - I'm not talking at all about ticking off the checkmarks for candidate points

I'm talking about 'generally being there'

Rob

97% answered is great, and the number of users good enough, but at 0.4 questions per day (was 0.1 a week ago, so I guess that's an improvement) it's slow going.

A couple of hundred people are showing up as regular visitors in the A51 stats.

People just don't see the need to help as a user, and the moderator hasn't rallied the troops until the last minute; and regular users have pleaded more frequently.

Journeyman Geek

Which isn't atypical of smaller sites

The moderator's probably burnt out

and well - yeah, that's kinda the 'bigger picture' that needs fixing IMO

Rob

It's not a problem that will be fixed in a few years, having taken half a dozen years to decay to this state.

Journeyman Geek

Its also not a problem that's fixed cause we put folks in there 'to fill the void'

No matter how good they are

Rob

4:17 AM

True. The pointy stick is only useful for Shish Kebab, once it's too late.

Journeyman Geek

I think it generally took me 3-5 years of activity before I was comfortable modding a site. Getting folks in might take the heat off for a bit - but you're essentially working with none of the 'social' knowledge a regular on the site would have

And in this case particularly, cause I seriously know the feeling, I think it would be a waste if snow left again over that

Rob

The principle behind Freelancing (not the site, the occupation) is that everything is billable, anything not billable either isn't done or it's a favor; and takes time from work that can be billed for. - So do the minimum.

Journeyman Geek

Well - I've moderated 3 sites over the years (Stepped down on Software recs cause I found I had nothing to do), stood for and lost... 3? elections, and considered and didn't stand for one (while being a MSE and SU mod). Its always been a 3-4 year period of being familiar with the community, then occationally starting again.

Moderation to some extent is a time and energy sink, and one you start before

So once again, not a reflection on the folks who wanted to step up but...

It seems like patience would be useful, and basically doing the groundwork before stuff got... uh... desperate?

Rob

I've done freelancing, worked as an employee at huge and tiny places, in more than 3 occupations - so I get some of the dynamics of big corp and sole proprietorship, highly skilled and unskilled, genius and not.

Journeyman Geek

Cool- go work at the 300 rep, and stand for an election. (Its 300 right? I've not actually stood in an election in years)

Rob

4:34 AM

@JourneymanGeek I could have (should have) done more groundwork before volunteering, but we (the two who offered months ago) were willing to stick with it - after we were formally rejected, by asking if that was the case (oh yeah, you're out), we were able to reflect on the fact that the moderator never commented "Thanks guys, for stepping up to help", but now the hangman has the gallows ready and the noose knotted the moderator is only too happy to thoroughly welcome a last minute entry.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

7:04 AM

@DeletedProfile if your suspension was issued by a CM then I agree, and would do the same as it means SE itself, the company, acted against you personally, and showed 0 flexibility while it should have. But, if it was just ordinary site mod then please, don't let a single mod who might just be clueless about the situation take away excellent asset to SE. Oh, and a great person. :)

But anyway, yeah, this totally should make us stop trying to help them, regardless of who did it.

So, to sum it up nicely....

!!/coffee Spe

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 brews a cup of Macchiato for @Spe

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

Two ~~birds~~ people in one coffee!! :P

Oh my, where are my manners?! Welcome to the Tavern, @SpencerG :)

You're the silent partner of @V2Blast (well you two were hired together ;)), luckily your name isn't Bob. :D

going back to ~~the shadows~~ work

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