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Q: I just received 25 duplicate emails at once from SO Jobs

I received 25 legit but duplicate emails in the same minute from StackOverflow jobs Staff are welcome to contact me in private of they would like more details, although I'd ask they limit it to a single email not 25 😉

LinkBerest

@SonictheMaskedWerehog Wouldn't surprise me once they kept spamming me with the same email over and over

Journeyman Geek

3:40 AM

→ 24 messages moved to Chimney

Rob

4:51 AM

Odyssey G9 & G7: A paper cup masterpiece | Samsung

►

rene

6:13 AM

→ 5 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

6:40 AM

@terdon oh, so the issue is the infection, not the wound itself, yeah.

@Rob well in the pictures of actual people they all wear pants. Go figure. :P

@Rob context?

We're out of paper cups at my workplace, got only plastic cups... I usually put cold coffee in them so less of an issue, but still... it feels wrong. :/

Like drinking whiskey in a cup.

Tinkeringbell

What's wrong with whiskey?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

In a cup??

gasps

It should be in a small glass...

Tinkeringbell

Oh, it comes with a glass already over here :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Small... if it's in big glass it's just totally wrong, like... like... eating soup with a fork....

:D

With alcohol, size matters.

So, anyone else is irritated when seeing 🍎 as edit summary? Or is it just me?

If you don't want to put any meaningful summary, leave it blank. No?

This just block the generic summary which is more useful than apple.

Tinkeringbell

But apples!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

6:52 AM

Too red

Tinkeringbell

Is there a specific person doing this regularly?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Do red parrots like red apples?

Tinkeringbell

Of course they do.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Tinkeringbell yup

Want a flag on one of the posts?

Tinkeringbell

Sure!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

6:53 AM

Done.

Now nuke that user with hot apples.... :D

Think I already asked them about it in the past, not 100% sure though.

(here, or in comments)

And... the daily regular stuff I see in Twitter:

:P

For some reason used with a "jamaican curse word", but meh... I don't really read. lol

rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMask !!cat

Mithical

*claat

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Mithical github.com/googlecodelabs/tools/tree/master/claat

in Shadow's Den, 36 secs ago, by KennyBOT

rene

\o/

Tinkeringbell

Bah, cats.

Have some bunnies!

Mast

7:56 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask A variation I've seen lately:

> just making it easier to read 💙💙💙

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Mast that's fine.

I'm not against fun, just against useless fun that also cause harm.

(in this case, blocking the ability to see any useful info)

Journeyman Geek

10:45 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask size matters with a lot of things. Whether or not you're drunk :D

Mast

11:17 AM

@rene Oh boy, an SE-wide troll.

ArtOfCode

kab00m

Mast

More free flags, on AI.SE

rene

@JNat an network-wide account you might want to take care of: stackexchange.com/users/18929182/tim-smith?tab=accounts

JNat

poof

rene

:D

M.A.R.

11:29 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask That's their master plan

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@JourneymanGeek nah, usually it's fine.

:P

@M.A.R. whose?

M.A.R.

The illuminakitty

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Too late.

M.A.R.

Mmmeh, the two-eyed version looks more sinister

Guys, I think @Yakk was trying to be funny. — user253751 2 hours ago

Hhhhawwwwwkwarrrrd

Tinkeringbell

But funny, since it's other people being awkward :P

user289905

11:59 AM

Someone is upvoting all these off-topic questions: i.stack.imgur.com/xAxhj.png 😕

It’s the third upvote I noticed.

Journeyman Geek

@user289905 just keep calm and close/delete em all :D

(I mean, in theory we could get a CM on it, but eh, starving them of attention works too)

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Which also means to stop the comments mentioning upvotes ;) Spread the word! :D

Journeyman Geek

:D

but quietly... seems a theme today ._.

Tinkeringbell

? I think I missed the other stuff then...

Journeyman Geek

lol

"You need to sort out a thing, but without telling anyone the details" :D

Tinkeringbell

12:05 PM

Parents aren't home... brother is gone... no need to be quiet. sing-a-long! :D

@JourneymanGeek Oh... yeah that sucks.

Journeyman Geek

Also I had someone from my head office tell me the dog ava (I accidentally set) on teams (MS not SE) was unprofessional.

PM 2Ring

Yakk was a prolific contributor on the (now defunct) XKCD forums, where humour & sarcasm were encouraged. His contributions on Stack Exchange are relatively subdued, by comparison.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Also noticed. Maybe a sockpuppet of this guy who asked yesterday: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/349922/…

Tinkeringbell

sigh. They said the same of my crocheted parrot. Until I showed them I made them for the whole team and everyone at the client-side had one.

Now I get to keep it company-side too :D

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ eh, I doubt

you need to get some rep to vote.

πάντα ῥεῖ

12:07 PM

OK unlikely, yes.

Journeyman Geek

in any case

Just keep calm and vote appropriately

πάντα ῥεῖ

May be one of his supporters

Journeyman Geek

hah

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Of course I'll do

Journeyman Geek

12:20 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask actually

Have you EVER read one of random's edit reasons?

Tinkeringbell

What do they look like? But I think we can agree a single apple isn't all that informative ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell they're something resembling english

Tinkeringbell

XD

Journeyman Geek

meta.stackexchange.com/users/9314/…

Tinkeringbell

Okay. If I'm going to message one, I'll probably also message the other XD

Spevacus

12:25 PM

> Heaving under the weight of all the crushed salt packets they ground their heels deeper into the rib cages for better leverage as the sweat dripped down further into the cracks leaving them only a sliver of crystals to chew on before the morning rose another day on their shoulders

what

I love it.

Tinkeringbell

It's... lovely but not really what edit summaries are for ;)

On the other hand, no one has complained or it seems to have confused no users yet.

PM 2Ring

I appreciate the creativity, but they don't really add value to the site. Edit comments should actually describe what the edit accomplishes...

But I'm a bit sensitive to edits ATM. We have an enthusiastic editor on Physics who makes tons of low quality edits that often don't fix all the the fixable things, and quite often introduce new problems that need to be repaired. He just passed 2k rep, so his edits are even more prolific. :(

user289905

@PM2Ring Well, I leave the edit summary blank on a regular basis, especially if it’s an overall grammar, spelling, formatting, fluff removing, title specifying, tag noise removing makeover.

Tinkeringbell

Oh, if it's fluff removing I usually point out why it's considered fluff.

grammar/spelling/formatting is one that autocompletes for me by now, I think XD

user289905

… but blank is boring, so I guess random Markov-chain text is … uh … better?

PM 2Ring

12:34 PM

@user289905 I guess that's ok, if the edit is obvious. OTOH, it doesn't take long to type "Improved grammar", especially if it's in the browser's auto-complete list.

@Tinkeringbell Good point. I usually just type: Removed "fluff". But if it's a newbie I may also post a brief normal comment explaining what fluff means.

user289905

@PM2Ring My edit summaries, if filled out, usually look something like “Made snippet; relevant tags; grammar; spelling; better title; formatting.” — I mention those that apply.

Tinkeringbell

@PM2Ring It's probably also a bit IPS specific. Sometimes people share their whole date step-by-step, but nothing about the behavior they tried to use to solve their problem XD

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I suspect he has been doing this from before I turned up on the network 🤣

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Yeah. :P Even more reason to make a fuss about it now :P

PM 2Ring

There's a member on Physics who's almost at 30k rep. He writes good answers, but he ends every one with "Hope this helps". And gets angry if people try to edit it out. So we just tolerate it.

Tinkeringbell

12:49 PM

Thats.... aaagh.

It's one of those prime examples that will get a new user to say that old users can get away with anything.

But I'm not a Physics mod

John Dvorak

Physics moderation is weird

Spevacus

Has there been a meta discussion about it at all? If so... How big of a dumpster fire was it?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@JourneymanGeek yup at least they were funny by themselves.... ;)

@Tinkeringbell well, he was a mod. Mods can do that. :D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Yeah well, rules aren't that flexible.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Plus... different era...

Magisch

12:56 PM

@Tinkeringbell not with that attitude

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Would you like them to be very flexible, and put that flexibility in my power? ;)

Spevacus

> not with that attitude

Reasons why RO's can't be trusted, exhibit A ;)

PM 2Ring

@Tinkeringbell Exactly. And it's hard to resolve it diplomatically. OTOH, unwanted fluff is a pretty minor problem on Physics. A much bigger problem is all the "homework dump" questions, which I've mentioned before.

Tinkeringbell

@PM2Ring Heh, yeah. That's understandable :)

LinkBerest

@PM2Ring that sounds familiar (if its who I'm thinking of - yeah, that was the lesser of two evils)

PM 2Ring

1:08 PM

Back on the topic of edits, it baffles me that someone with a poor grasp of English thinks they're qualified to make grammar edits. I saw one yesterday on Physics, from my "favourite" editor. There were 5 or 6 fairly basic grammar errors in the post. The editor fixed one: changing "i" to "I". I was just about to fix the other stuff, but someone else beat me to it.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Why not?

PM 2Ring

I guess part of the problem is the edit review process, with stuff getting approved by robo-reviewers, or reviewers who aren't great at English themselves. So the rookie editors don't get appropriate feedback during that training period, and so they don't fully realise how bad their edits are.

Magisch

When you're mean, you're usually not mean to me

:P

Spevacus

Uh... Weird edit.

I tried on like 3 different sites... What made the editor think this was true?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@PM2Ring yup, on SO I quit reviewing edits due to the robo reviewers and reviewers who decide to approve edits using inline code to emphasize random words in posts. (not code)

That was plain terrible, and when I saw it's a lost cause... I just backed away.

Guess now tons of posts have that backtick abuse.

Tinkeringbell

1:21 PM

@Spevacus Being downvoted?

user400654

yup

Tinkeringbell

I dunno...

Spevacus

Ah, they could have been confused on the verbiage there.

I asked here because I was trying to understand their thought process and word a good rollback reason

Dangit, Shadow. Lol

PM 2Ring

@Spevacus Confused editor is confused. Answer downvotes still cost the downvoter 1 point, and reduce the rep of the downvoted person by 2 points.

Spevacus

It happens.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

1:24 PM

@QumberRizvi the part you edited was under "You lose reputation when", meaning reputation change to the one who cast the downvote: that is still only 1. The one who posted the post being downvoted lose 2 points. Please double check before making changes to such faq posts. Thanks. — Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask 56 secs ago

Spevacus

2fast2quick

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Not weird, common confusion.

@Magisch me too? ;)

Tinkeringbell

Anyone ever heard of OPs getting the advice to repost their question in the new close notices if the question is closed as POB?

I know the OP sees something different but I have one claiming that they reposted because the notice said they could edit OR post a new one, which seems a serious flaw or a lie.

John Dvorak

SO close notices suggest reposting on a different site. And yes, it's most often wrong.

Spevacus

It is a very serious flaw. Almost all close notices (even duplicates) suggest you post a new question instead of editing the current one.

Even when the new "Edit Question" button is so readily available.

There's even a "Delete Question" visible for OP's. In the case of duplicates, we kinda sorta don't want that.

That last part could be a feature-request, now that I think about it...

John Dvorak

1:33 PM

🤷‍♂

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

🤷🏿‍♂️

Spevacus

I think I might just post one... Let me make sure it doesn't exist yet...

John Dvorak

Just curious @ShadowWizardWearingMask, what Emoji keyboard do you use?

user400654

🤷🏼‍♂️

Journeyman Geek

@user400654 🍏

John Dvorak

1:37 PM

... there is a modifier for hair color as well? TIL, cool

PM 2Ring

I'm concerned that the Delete Question button will encourage OPs to delete and repost the question, rather than repair the question so that it becomes eligible for reopening. Also, many people, especially new members, believe that deleting poorly received questions is good for their reputation, and do not realise that such deleted questions can contribute to a question ban. — PM 2Ring Jun 17 at 9:13

John Dvorak

My question stands, however: how do you get it into the input box in here?

Spevacus

@PM2Ring Well said.

user400654

winkey+. is where i got that emoji from

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell why not do an experiment?

close one of mine as TB and I'll tell you

John Dvorak

1:42 PM

Ah, thanks. Takes ages for me to pop up though.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I just scienced on one of my own on IPS.

Spevacus

Survey says?

Tinkeringbell

Closing one as POB will give you indeed a notice that says to edit (linking to the edit page) or post a new one (linking to how-to-ask which says nothing about not reposting).

PM 2Ring

I'm sure there's a post, either on MSE or Physics meta, complaining that a new Closed Post notice encourages the OP to re-post rather than to repair the closed post. I'll keep searching.

Tinkeringbell

Which... apparently confuses people enough to repost, though in this case given the user's behavior, it might've also been not entirely good faith.

Spevacus

1:44 PM

Yeah on Meta SO, I know moderator Cody Gray is very loudly not happy about those notices' warnings and has been for a while now. Since their inception, IIRC.

Justifiably so.

I'd like to think that, with the up and coming closure updates, the wording might be addressed.

PM 2Ring

@Spevacus That rings a bell.

Tinkeringbell

Is there anything already complaining about this out there, anyone knows?

Else I'll probably write a feature request or something.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@JohnDvorak none, using desktop now so used Google. ;)

PM 2Ring

@Tinkeringbell I'm pretty sure that there is, but I can't find it. It may be in an answer, rather than a question.

rene

@PM2Ring I have written this one on MSO meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/394552/…

Tinkeringbell

1:58 PM

@PM2Ring Hmm... I couldn't find anything either. I'll just write one, if people find it has already been asked it can be closed :P

@rene Well it does link to how-to-ask now. The problem is that how-to-ask says nothing about not reposting the same shit twice and bypassing votes.

LinkBerest

@Tinkeringbell yes, but as SE never opened an official feedback post back in August (it was still during that "What a bad day..." blog post fiasco) the "anything" is mostly regulated to comments and one meta.SO which an employee completely missed the mark when answering

Feeds

How does spam protection work on Stack Exchange?

Ryan Donovan on June 25, 2020

If you put a textbox on the Internet, someone will put spam in it. If you put a textbox on a site that gets millions of hits a day, lots of someones will put lots of spam in it. So Stack Exchange uses multiple layers to block all the spam coming in.

Spevacus

@ArtOfCode You dirty devil!

Journeyman Geek

@ArtOfCode ^

PM 2Ring

@rene Thanks. I guess the logic that Yaakov explained in the quote makes sense: it is rare for OPs to make useful edits to their closed questions. OTOH, the new wording does seem to encourage them to abandon the closed post, and when they do post a new question it's usually not much better than the original. At least, that's what I've seen on Physics.

LinkBerest

2:06 PM

oopss...my mistake there was a post rollout thing on meta it was just when I wasn't using meta (considering how busy I am in Aug-Sep this makes sense)

Tinkeringbell

@LinkBerest I'm writing :)

LinkBerest

I'll upvote - when I get back :)

Tinkeringbell

@LinkBerest Yeah I've seen that one but a ctrl+f on the page for 'post a new one' gives nothing except a bit about duplicates, so I'll write ;)

ArtOfCode

:)

Mildly amused that they tagged that "code-for-a-living", like Smokey actually pays

Bahahaha

> In February, we launched the system publicly and included an appeal for flaggers to lend us their flags,:

That ,: is down to an edit dispute in the google doc... someone just copy-pasted without actually choosing one or t'other

Spevacus

>:(

A coworker was reading the article with me, and let out a pretty loud chuckle at

> Spam protection is like ogres—it has layers

ArtOfCode

2:18 PM

there are easter eggs

I'm slightly disappointed that my tooltips on the links didn't come through, but... oh well

original with them included is here

Spevacus

All in all, really well worded, informative, and a welcome addition to the library of awesome blogs. Well done!

> perhaps because he, y'know, actually works there

user400654

🤐

Journeyman Geek

@ArtOfCode tbh. It's something you could make money off in theory. And might be nice on the resume

John Dvorak

in case you ever want to resumé your career as a cogwheel? :P

user400654

I just noticed the "This question was voluntarily removed by its author." wording on the 404 page, is that accurate? would it say something different if the post was deleted by someone else?

John Dvorak

2:25 PM

Yes.

Mast

For example, it could state the question was removed for reasons of moderation.

John Dvorak

More accurately: Yes to the latter; As to the former: it isn't always completely voluntary, but it is the post author that clicked the delete button, if that's what the system says they did.

Magisch

2:37 PM

@JourneymanGeek If you were to buy commercial spam protection services that achieve the same accuracy and response times charcoal does it would probably be beyond what Stack could afford

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@user400654 there are only two variations: either the "voluntarily removed by its author", or "removed for reasons of moderation".

user400654

why do my notification sounds keep getting turned on

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

And if it was flagged as spam or offensive, the URL will not contain the title and the "Here are some similar questions that might be relevant" won't be displated.

@user400654 cache?

user400654

i assume it's using a cookie that periodically expires

though i see none that would be relevant specific for just that

ah, yeah

sl

expires on 2020-09-23T14:45:25.000Z

2024-09-23T14:45:25.000Z should do it

Tinkeringbell

2:53 PM

meta.stackexchange.com/q/349951/369802 Pffft, loooong write.

Spevacus

First upvote.

Tinkeringbell

Fast reader :P

ArtOfCode

scanning is a wonderful skill

Tinkeringbell

First downvote too... I didn't know this would be unpopular XD

@ArtOfCode That's true. I read a lot of stuff that way too.

Spevacus

@Tinkeringbell Could be beneficial to address the reason that Glorfindel's request was declined: Shog's comment here

Wonder where the data they were monitoring went :/

Tinkeringbell

3:00 PM

@Spevacus Hmm. That's for duplicates though, they are kinda special.

Tru

@Spevacus Better? :)

I like it.

Good :)

3:37 PM

@Spevacus the data is still around of course. Whether there's any analysis... 🤷‍♂️

You can approximate it from public data if you wish

Spevacus

@Shog9 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mhmm...

Shog9

Fwiw, we did monitor this throughout the testing at least.

Rob

@Tinkeringbell, just an explanation why I VTC'd as 'applicable to only one site'.

Tinkeringbell

@Rob You already have a reply

Rob

Looking

Tinkeringbell

3:39 PM

It's okay though, I can just reopen it, right? :P

Magisch said I was allowed flexible rules.

Rubiksmoose

I'm highly in favor of your request. I've noticed issues on RPG with confusion about reposting questions as a result of the wording as well.

Tinkeringbell

@Shog9 What did that say, is that written up somewhere?

(publicly?)

@Rubiksmoose \o/ :D

Rubiksmoose

In fact I've brought them up before even. So very happy to see you took the time to write up a well-done FR to that effect :)

Tinkeringbell

Okay now you're overdoing it on the compliments.

M.A.R.

@PM2Ring Edit summaries wouldn't fix that

Rubiksmoose

3:43 PM

@Tinkeringbell lol

M.A.R.

@Tinkeringbell Ur grate ur amazign

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. I'm also out if you keep that up :P

Mithical

You do an excellent job shredding cheese.

M.A.R.

@Tinkeringbell Suggesting guidance improvement tsk tsk tsk

Trying to help new question askers is so 2014.

We've long since been divided into two camps now.

IF YOU'RE NOT WITH MEEE YOU'RE AGAINST MEEEEEEEE

"Reputation abuse policy" Now that sounds interesting

A set of rules that would help me circumvent rep abuse.

Whatever that is.

Mithical

*eyes glazing over*

M.A.R.

3:49 PM

Oh. Shucks. It's just a boring post about voting fraud, the most boringest suspension reason.

PM 2Ring

@M.A.R. True. I was going off on a bit of a tangent, and explaining why I'm currently a bit sensitive to issues connected to edits.

M.A.R.

@Mithical I dunno, it seems to me I'm missing out on drama and I'm unhappy about that

Socks making points by upvoting blatantly OT, edit reason trolling, you tell me

Rob

@Tinkeringbell The purpose of my comment was to explain my close vote, while I agree with PM2's chat comment, people who think that "ask a new question" means badger everyone with the same question until you get the answer that you want, explained beginning to end to your complete satisfaction, are people who interact with others poorly; IMO.

Spevacus

@M.A.R. Well, there was a user who posted a question about a closure of their own question over on IPS. They're currently under a 7 day suspension. The question lasted all of about 30 seconds, enough time for me to down vote and start writing a comment, before the OP deleted it.

M.A.R.

@PM2Ring The issue about edit reasons is, well, the bureaucrat in me would want a specific and clear edit reason for the idealistic professional site wiki community thing we're building, but well, you've got idiots like me instead.

LinkBerest

3:51 PM

@Rob happens on Worldbuilding a bit too (adding comments to Sandbox used to help when people were active in sandbox but the whole "everything" that SE did kinda removed those active users)

Spevacus

My guess? Tink took care of a dispute and that person wasn't too happy bout it.

M.A.R.

And more importantly, people can hardly do better than the automated edit reason

Rob

Maybe the word "new" needs a marquee and the edit suggestion should be clear about making it better; but that seems mansplaining (condescending).

M.A.R.

@Spevacus Of course, but this is the synopsis. I wanna read the whole story

Mostly for mumble mumble reasons.

Schadenfreude.

Rob

I've seen people post the same question several times until they were banned, I don't deny that it happens.

M.A.R.

3:56 PM

There's also another downvote-bad post

You'd think we would have covered all the possible quantum states involved in asking for those requests by now

LinkBerest

^ you mean this one? (though its just a discussion not a FR)

M.A.R.

Never ceases to disappoint

Rob

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A: Shouldn't the "English only" policy be mentioned in the FAQ?

Do we really need a NO ELEPHANTS sign? I mean, isn't such a thing obvious? Would you go to a forum where everyone was communicating in French and type Hey French Dudes, I got a question but I don't know French so I'm just going to go ahead and ask it in English anyway?

Spevacus

"Downvotes bad," "Downvoters need to explain themselves," "Require rep to downvote questions," "Downvoters should have to confirm before downvoting," "Downvotes shouldn't cost the downvote-ee rep"

All the good stuff.

M.A.R.

@LinkBerest No, the one on meta.SE with lotsa downvotes

Agreement is boring.

Unless it's Shog or Makoto or Cody so you'd be hypnotized by their chants into upvoting their meta post, popular requests and discussions are boring

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