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8:02 AM
Morning.... Two pages of transcript already?!
 
Yeah, we started early
 
Sorry!
 
Not sorry!
:D
But hey, no pings! @Tink
 
@rene Dangers of tropenroosters, I guess. :P
 
So you should consider yourself lucky.... ;)
 
8:06 AM
@ShaWiz True, that's nice :P At least I got a good night's sleep! And a horrible train delay this morning, but let's forget about that now :P
I guess I'm spending the rest of today catching up XD
 
@Tinkeringbell no standup?
 
@ShaWiz They delayed it, because I was delayed. It's now planned half an hour before lunch. Meaning we're definitely going to be late for lunch OR we're going to have a quick standup for once :P
 
Eh. It's just one really long conversation
 
@JourneymanGeek Which is good to catch up on ;)
At least speed-read through it :)
 
@Tinkeringbell why not... bring lunch to the standup then? ;)
 
8:12 AM
Meh ;)
 
@JourneymanGeek TL;DR: @forest try to explain why IP block of SE isn't effective /cc @Tink :P
 
No not why it's not effective. Why it's being done incorrectly in a way that has collateral damage.
 
meh
So "@forest rants about IP block of SE".
;)
 
Yeah pretty much.
 
Reminds me a bit of Laszlo (?) who came here to rant every time when he got a downvote. lol
Since he always also pinged CM's and demanded deep research why the downvote happened, he got himself banned.
@Journeyman you were here back then already?
 
8:17 AM
@ShaWiz naw. Missed most of that
 
Every time he got a... downvote?
 
I haven't been super active on meta long
 
Anyway @forest no worry, as long as you don't ping CM's (or mods ;)) you're fine.
@forest yup, on SO.
 
wow
 
@ShaWiz tbh I was around early, then mostly was on SU
Only got back here after I became a mod.
 
8:21 AM
@ShaWiz yeah.
 
@JourneymanGeek You jest but I can easily see myself eating 100 declined flags in a day
 
@Magisch uhm
How?
And presumably you would stop when you start seeing declined flags and post on meta...
 
I flag nearly exclusively custom mod flags, and for contentious subjects. It's entirely possible that I run afoul of a mod on a bad day that doesn't agree with the methodology and decides to decline em all
sometimes I have 350+ flags pending
so there would be no time to stop flagging
 
Lots of custom flags can be part of it. 350 pending flags is... Probably SO
 
considering a mod told me once every one of these takes on average 15 minutes to handle
shooting 100 per day for 3-4 days will do that to you
 
8:36 AM
@Magisch That mod would, uh, probably get a talking to.
 
Uhm. How long does it take to flag?
 
like 2-3 minutes per flag, maybe
less for clear cases
 
Most flags are simple
 
yes but specific kinds of flags (like serial voting investigations) are asynchronous in how much time it takes off of mods vs me
 
Serial voting ones aren't.
 
8:37 AM
That it takes a mod 3 to 5 x the time it takes to flag could be part of the problem
 
I just flag patterns I'm reasonably confident are untoward. The mods have a whole rat's tail of investigation for every flag
plus unravelling any voting rings they stumble upon in the course of handling them
 
@Magisch especially considering the info we have us scant
Is
 
you think mod info is scant? I only have user/?tab=reputation
you at least have xref and some other shinies :p
@Mithrandir eh. For experimental flags that might be a valid response
I don't want anyone not to decline a flag they would have because its me
 
@Magisch Including some tools that I'm not sure all mods know even exists... I discovered it by accident. :P
 
the worst that can happen these days is a week of flag ban
which is ... fine
@JourneymanGeek not really a problem. Just saying that eating a couple hundred declined flags at once is not eminently impossible for normal users :p
 
9:25 AM
@SmokeDetector Well apparently I got it deleted, so stop whining.
 
@Marshmallow Just because I noticed it was already reported :P
 
I was about to flag it but, right when I pressed flag, it was killed.
 
Too slow! :P
 
Huh, apparently I have two tabs of the same question open, one before some update to SE and one after. I see that quotes in titles are now converted to unicode (oh god, that's going to break some things), and the rep counter is no longer displayed next to the profile image.
I really don't like this change. I miss my rep counter. :/
Is there any way to re-enable it?
 
9:33 AM
@forest it is only you, there's no such setting.
 
...seriously? Again?
 
@forest Again what?
 
So everyone else sees their rep to the right of their profile icon on the top right?
 
I think he got rate limited again
 
@JourneymanGeek You seem to have an eye problem
@forest Nopes. It's been like that for what, a year
 
9:34 AM
@Marshmallow A glitch occurred where the green rep notification stopped displaying for me, but the red comment notification did not. Turned out I was the only one affected.
 
@forest Nah, it happens sometimes.
 
@Marshmallow You've gotta be joking. Just yesterday it would display the rep.
Hell, earlier today it did.
 
The most annoying part is the JS or whatever loads very slowly for me.
I have to wait like 5 minutes before I can click on the dropdown without it taking me to my network profile inbox.
 
So wait, does everyone see or not see the rep counter next to their profile icon?
The icon on the top right, not the one next to posts.
@Marshmallow Oh god the same thing happens to me.
 
Haha I'm not gonna answer that. You seem to be delightfully confused and I like to keep it that way
 
9:35 AM
I always wait a little bit before pressing it for that very reason.
lol ouch
 
@forest And you're . . . US-based?
So it's not an Iran thing huh.
 
@Marshmallow tor-based...
 
Yeah it's happening because I use Tor and that slows down the JS loads.
 
Oh Em Gee that's so kewl and V for Vendetta.
 
Not for 5 minutes, but for 10 seconds on a bad day.
lol what's wrong with using Tor
 
9:37 AM
You smell like onions.
Or was it garlic, I forgot
 
I get the feeling you don't like me :o
Nah it's onions (onion routing). Garlic routing is I2P which is like Tor but... Java.
 
I like forests
Even if I help destroy them by using tons of paper every year and not carefully disposing of plastic trash.
 
Better than destroying them so you can mine for resources in Africa.
 
And contribute to global warming by taking a ride in the crappy transportation systems. God knows what gases they emit.
 
9:39 AM
@forest sounds like you need more caching in your life ;p
 
I swear it's radioactive
 
@Marshmallow who knows what gasses you emit.
 
Or less caching. Then my problems would go away with a single refresh. :P
 
@JourneymanGeek Not a banana
 
@forest caching would help here
 
9:39 AM
Or I'd be emitting anti-matter.
 
So wait... that would explain the lack of the rep counter but... converting quotes to unicode?
 
That could be a bug or just you.
 
That I haven't noticed
 
@forest which site/post?
 
Or maybe noticed and forgot
Notices again
 
9:40 AM
Or some OS/browser wierdness
 
I'm sometimes jealous of goldfish.
 
Definitely OS/browser/API weirdness
 
@MetaAndrewT. Lemme get it one sec.
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Q: What does "packed file" mean in security?

bathulah mahirI am a beginner in information security. I was clueless about the term "packed file". Can anyone explain to me what a "packed file" is in term of malware analysis?

 
Those quotes are lush
Normal 'quotes' are "lame".
 
Nothing wrong with that quote. Not even the smartest one.
 
9:42 AM
So when you click on the link, it shows as regular old ASCII " to you?
 
No, the title is the lush quotes.
The body is unlush.
Someone take that out of context ^
 
@forest Yes.
 
God damn how in the world does a caching issue cause that?
 
@Marshmallow The body is slush.
 
I mean turning unicode quotes back to ASCII would make sense if the JS responsible for that (if it's stupidly not done server-side) were to fail to load... Lemme check inspector.
<a href="/questions/214080/what-does-packed-file-mean-in-security" class="question-hyperlink">What does “packed file” mean in security?</a>
And those quotes are plain ASCII in the (old) tab. Wtf.
 
9:47 AM
Blame the Apple for making all quotes smart...
 
It must be JS doing it because, when I refresh the page with cache disabled, the DOM shows unicode, but network inspector shows the GET response HTML having &quot;.
@MetaAndrewT. I don't use an Apple device. I'm on Linux.
 
No problem, I just want to blame Apple :)
 
. . . Oh bloody hell. I just noticed the new meta.SO meta post rumble
 
I think my computer is haunted.
 
By onions
 
9:50 AM
Onions are supposed to keep the ghosts away.
 
That was garlic. And vampires.
 
Not these onions.
 
They for once realize the bad breath it gives you.
 
@Marshmallow which?
@Marshmallow ghosts don't kiss so it's not relevant
 
10:11 AM
Everyone's welcome if they bring a hard hat and agree with our choices. Because if you don't we'll take down meta next. — remy_rm yesterday
I dunno, what is this, a threat?
I can't even make sense of it much.
It's this frustrated, emotional (as opposed to rational) critique that probably sours the taste on the receiving side so much.
 
It sounds like he's paraphrasing the staff.
As in, implying that that is what staff are saying.
 
Sure, the main posts usually provide some constructive criticism, but they invariably get comments like these.
@forest Oh. My point still stands.
 
Then no, it's not a threat.
 
@Marshmallow I read it as a prediction of the future. More something like What is next? On the next wave of disagreement will you bring down meta?
But it is hard to tell intent if it doesn't come with the emoticons ;)
 
They're not to blame either, but it's much better for everyone, including them, not to chip in the discussion if it's some inertial cynical remark that's mostly just a rehash of the previous concerns, but less elegantly phrased (in a comment, instead of a full-fledged answer).
@rene :'*
 
10:19 AM
I'll take down 🥩 next!
 
Well to be honest I admire SE staff for keeping meta alive, especially MSO.
With less tolerant management, it would have been closed, sealed, and thrown away to the ocean long ago.
@MetaAndrewT. but you already did, I can see. :P
 
Ow, that's too much water, even for @rene
 
sucking all the ocean's water in
blowing all the water to outer space, creating a new moon
hmm.... suppose we put LOTS of water in space... will they really form a moon? ;)
 
Why?
Will they become drops?
 
10:23 AM
No, scattered molecules (not even gaseous)
 
wait... space means absolute zero.... so it will be just ice.
head palm
 
The force it takes to make stars, planets and moons will easily destroy the bond
There's quite some dangerous rays up there
 
Why won't it become just one big chunk of ice?
 
@ShaWiz The right question is why would it?
More entropy is better
For everyone. Except living beings
 
@Marshmallow water will freeze, forming ice... with no gravity, it will just float there. No?
 
10:27 AM
@ShaWiz Nopes. The closer the molecules are, the less entropic (read chaotic). The forces that would hold them together can be considerable on Earth (what with a 100000 pascal atmospheric pressure and all) but no such thing in space
 
head spinning
 
@Sha see if this makes more sense: It's not just temperature that affects the phase, but also pressure. On greater heights, water boils at lower temperatures. (like 80 degrees Celsius instead of 100 on mountains) Now, not only are we taking the water to almost zero kelvin, but also to zero pascal pressure
In industrial scale, sometimes they make things boil by simply removing pressure from the air above the liquid
 
nose spinning
 
chin spinning
 
@Marshmallow so what will happen to the water, in simple words?
guh... is this even possible for you to use simple words? :D
Also, keep in mind I talk about whole ocean, not just few drops of water. ;)
 
10:38 AM
@ShaWiz The molecules will rush away from each other as fast as possible, and then break up due to cosmic rays and become two hydrogen radicals or ions and an oxygen radical or oxide ion
 
simple: the whole ocean gone
 
@MetaAndrewT. you... are right!
 
@ShaWiz i'm left :(
 
@ShaWiz The distance between Earth and Mars is 75,000,000 kilometers. Do you think it will matter? ;)
 
@Marshmallow you could just say "the water will go poof"
 
10:39 AM
I saw an interesting simulation that took all the water in the oceans and made it into a sphere. The radius was about that of a state in the US
I forgot which
 
@MetaAndrewT. me too!
 
We don't have as much water as you think.
 
@Marshmallow Israel?
;)
 
search for: Universe Sandbox 2
 
Ha, maybe
 
10:40 AM
lolz
 
It was actually the diameter
@MetaAndrewT. Oooooh. Sounds fun
I mean, oceans are basically just big puddles. The water isn't that deep
Mariana is overrated. I swam there once. Very luxurious.
The Atlantic has another name: Kid zone
 
So if I'll see in the media "Young man tried to cross the Atlantic Ocean by swimming", I'll know who it is. ;)
 
@ShaWiz Lecomte!?
nvm, unconfirmed claim...
 
because they're checking to see if @Marshmallow did it first.
 
10:58 AM
So many beautiful young girls employed for advertising.
@JourneymanGeek It's actually part of my work commute.
 
@MetaAndrewT. huh! So that's @Mar's real identity! :P
 
He's an impostor
 
Prove
 
He doesn't do it as part of his commute.
 
@JNat cross site spammer for your gentle care. Thanks! :)
 
11:01 AM
He's destined to do this for eternity
 
Nah... until he's not pingable.
 
Judgment day: JNat, cross-realm sinner for your gentle care
 
Also, got limit of three.
 
He's eternined to do this for destiny
 
That's my second request so far. (when he replies, counter is reset.)
 
11:19 AM
47
Q: The world is big and I am SO small. What are the implications for our meta community with the changes in Stack Overflow?

Yvette ColombTL DR: The input from meta carries far less sway than it used to. The Stack Overflow Company (I'll refer to as the network) is making the decisions on site changes. We need to adapt to our new limited influence. So this is less of a discussion, more of a heads up, a pointer to a good chat roo...

Sigh
The admittance tone of the blog post (come-to-Jesus, as Makoto puts it) just seems so much different in spirit than the anti-meta crusade.
 
@ShaWiz when I reply saying that I handled it, no? :P
 
@JNat I sense a sneaky plan ;p
 
...me...?
nah
 
@JNat hmm... ideally. ;)
 
I'll look at my pile before lunch ;)
 
11:22 AM
Sure, meta isn't representative of the community. It never was. But it's not "we'll listen to you, and others". It's "we're not listening to your anymore because you're not representative of the community".
 
Or a reply "stap pinging me, pleaze!" :D
 
I think I can see where it matches, and I think it may be good. I've seen the same crap on IPS: Mad/rude user makes meta post, meta post becomes hot and in the side bar, and more mad/rude users from across the network chime in... That's not the thing I'd like to present to new users either!

(Wasn't helping that this was about a very popular HNQ post on IPS either, so we already had lots of people coming in)
 
@Tinkeringbell well, right now the signals coming from the company seem very mixed and confusing to me
It is very misleading (if done deliberately, disingenuous) that someone who've invested thousands of hours of their life count as one data point and so does the uninterested poster who forgets to even check back on their only post.
 
Shrug... best advice I have in those cases it to roll with it and assume the good stuff until proven otherwise.

That *is* certainly not relationship advice for dates, in case of mixed signals there, go second and third guess yourself!
 
Ugh, singular they sometimes makes subject–verb agreement confusing
@Tinkeringbell I know! I'm past that. Even the disgruntled average reviewer can go and yell on meta.matters but my main sites are not even important
I don't mean that in a negative mood, just reaffirming the facts
 
11:29 AM
@Marshmallow I thought the idea was that we're trying to get less of those 'uninterested posters' and engage them a bit more? :)
 
I often try to maintain a balanced viewpoint here (might even suffer from an appeal to moderation fallacy)
 
@Marshmallow we put on our pants... actually, how dogs put on pants is a matter of debate.
 
> Stack Overflow Employees have panic attacks and nightmares when they know they will need to post something to Meta. They are real human beings that are affected by the way people speak to them. This is outside of the CM team, who have been heroes and who I constantly see abused here.

I can’t, with good conscience, force anyone to participate in a venue that causes that type of psychological damage at work. The CMs feel this is something that can be remedied, and I believe them. However, until then, I can’t sleep at night knowing that we are forcing people to participate here as part of t
 
@Marshmallow You're doing good, so far :)
 
@Tinkeringbell Realistically, I think that the most drastic of changes wouldn't make any difference at all for 90 percent, 10 percent would actually follow up on what becomes of their post, and some 0.01 percent maybe would stick around.
Admittedly, that would amount to a whole lot of activity, still.
 
11:31 AM
@Magisch I can actually relate to that a bit - but that's a long term thing to fix
 
But it won't change the landscape on the "most of the millions of users vanish" thing
 
@Marshmallow though, those things need not be at odds
 
Given that, the atmosphere has become untenable at meta, it seems.
 
@JourneymanGeek what things, Confucius?
Or was he Chinese. He was Chinese.
 
11:35 AM
@Magisch honestly? SE's brilliant at engineering things - so eventually the broad users issue can be fixed.
 
Tao. Nope. Still Chinese.
 
I do think a large part of that is entirely self inflicted on the part of the company, so my sympathy has limits
 
@Magisch To be honest? I understand. There's... much work to be done.
 
@Marshmallow Confusion
 
"All these people we've snubbed for years hate us now, and listening to their hostility is stressful" yes, but also, not entirely unexepcted.
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11:35 AM
@Magisch Well, when I first became a mod here, it was pretty scary
 
I talked about this some months ago with someone has to break the cycle
 
Well, it has been like that, or probably became much worse since April
 
@Magisch I guess they must feel a bit like the attendants at Schiphol airport felt yesterday: There's 30k people needing your attention and you can only help one every 10 minutes or so! It's kinda easy to blame the company for things, but they can't have the kind of personal stuff people got used to in the beginning....
 
it appears their idea of breaking the cycle is to stop listening and engaging
 
Hey, leave my bicycle alone
 
11:37 AM
@Magisch the hard part is spending the time to actually get folks to trust you
 
Do you help the one that screams the loudest and seems nearest to violence/a breakdown? Or the next in line?
 
I have two sites
I don't really have time for much more.
 
@JourneymanGeek that ship has sailed
SE will not enjoy any sort of trust without first proven verification ever again
 
@Magisch Oh I was meaning me, and here ;p
 
It hasn't just sailed, it sailed, circumnavigated the globe and returned laden with spices
 
11:38 AM
@Magisch I trust some people here.
A few others, less so.
A lot more I don't know.
 
Do you trust me? Puppy eyes
 
@Marshmallow well, no.
 
Seems like the CMs are on our side. The answer reads that they were prepared to call off meta alltogether and the CMs talked them out of it
 
Well... interactions on SE made me tough-skinned. Otherwise, I'd just leave the site.
 
@Magisch Well - how do we get folks from SE back on meta?
 
11:40 AM
we do not
there is nothing we or any appreciable group of users we can muster can do to reverse this course
 
Then there's nothing to do
 
But I'm just a regular user (or a mod on a very quite site), I don't have much responsibility compared to the staffs.
 
@JourneymanGeek You almost need personal handholding nowadays...
 
@Magisch that's defeatist.
 
the company is unwilling, and they're the only organization with enough coherence to be able to try
 
11:41 AM
@Magisch the company is people.
 
me and you and even if I could get everyone who's ever been in this and any other chatroom on board would achieve absolutely nothing
The community is a diverse set of people with orthogonal and sometimes conflicting goals. We do not coordinate, and we are not capable of this kind of coordinated action
the only way this would work would be a significant and sustained effort from the company to mend relations, not because it's exclusively their fault, but because they have group coherence and the community does not
 
@Magisch Not true... You can achieve things. You're generally one of the nice and patient people when it comes to comments, and you're becoming pretty good at writing calm answers saying you disagree with big stuff too.
 
@Magisch and part of effective community leadership is the act of herding cats.
every site has these problems
 
@Tinkeringbell The problem is calm and rational disagreement is harassment in aggregate
 
You just try and teach others, by setting an example or explicitly pointing things out.
 
11:43 AM
Just that they're smaller problems and smaller clowders.
 
So under that definition any kind of open forum for comment is harassment
 
@Magisch Wait wut where did you get that?
 
@Magisch its also tone
 
@Tinkeringbell the blog post. Part of the central message is that even if everyone's trying their best, and even if everyone involved is professional and calm in their criticism, it feels personal and emotional. It's the same principle as on meta. Meta isn't exactly uncivil compared to elsewhere on the 'net
Under this logic and definition, no open forum for criticism can exist.
 
Muze would like to agree with you.
 
11:45 AM
@Magisch well - is everyone?
 
enough that you can't reasonably request people to be more so
 
or, choose any regular users who have been suspended for many times but still try to use SE
 
compared to everywhere else on the net meta is an angelic haven of calm arguments. Intense, yea, but absent personal attacks, threats, doxxing, any of that nasty stuff that usually goes with public commentary
 
@JourneymanGeek Honestly, I can't connect Sara's response to Makoto's response to the blog post to her latest answer.
 
@Marshmallow well - you can't think of individual situations
Its about the aggregate
 
11:47 AM
It went something like 'Makoto, thank you for your response, and we really appreciate it' and this answer is 'taking these things in is what I signed up for'.
So, which is it?
 
@Marshmallow dealing with people is hard
 
Do they appreciate critical feedback, or is it a venomous frog to swallow?
 
and no, I don't think everyone signed up for it
 
this here outsider cactus thinks they're failing at that
 
@Magisch I don't disagree that the company is failing at it
 
11:48 AM
considering how since mid last year the tone of discussion of anything has become so bad that it's really draining
 
but fixing it is going to be a long process
 
@Magisch Dude, if you're an outsider, I'm Thanos.
From an alternate dimension.
 
looks at tummy fat thor?
 
Where people have three arms and half.
 
@Marshmallow I'm not a mod, not privy to anything but public, and have like 6k reputation on SO
what about me is anything but a casual user at best? I have no special insights, and no particular qualifications to offset any of that
 
11:49 AM
@Magisch You're privy to how to communicate in these mediums. That I find is rare enough.
 
Rep is irrelevant for meta discussion though
 
Privy sounds like a Toyota model.
 
@Marshmallow I have under 200
 
The new Torus guy on meta.SE, for example, is not Toyota Privy.
 
Folks do take me seriously enough to yell at me ;p
 
11:50 AM
@JourneymanGeek I have under 160. HA, BEAT THAT
 
@Marshmallow That's Toyota Torus
 
brb placing a bounty...
 
@Magisch Hmmm. Moderating this thing for a while, I've definitely seen things that I probably wouldn't call calm or professional. Things have been a bit harsher than I'd like to see (and I'm Dutch, and still fall prone to being too direct on the internet). I think there's definitely some kind of difference in the feedback talked about on the blog, and the feedback SE has been getting on meta lately.
 
@JourneymanGeek You wouldn't be able to vote in mod elections
 
Though I've only seen the SE stuff ;)
 
11:51 AM
Mind, my non mod perspective, I hardly ever see anything so uncivil as to be flaggable
I can count the # of actually rude comments I've seen on MSO on one hand
 
@Magisch we see it allll
@Magisch not all of it is just a single instance
its cumilative
 
Thats great (or not, perspective pending) for you, but for me, MSO looks like one of the most civil places on the 'net
 
@Magisch Someone saying nothing will change once is fine
hear it about twice a day and...
 
@Magisch but not-calm/non-professional is still a bit away from what you'd call outright rude (if that's personal attacks, doxxing, and the stuff you mentioned before). Of course it may already be much better than other places on the net, doesn't mean it can't be yet more calm and professional ;)
 
Big difference is I'm here and can work with folks
 
11:54 AM
Maybe I'm jaded by previous experience
 
And in the early days, that was kinda the case
 
on mcf it wasn't a bad day in the mod queue until after several personalized death threats and stuff 4chan would find too far
 
Oh, I've not got those yet
 
haven't seen anywhere on the net besides SE that differs from that
 
Honestly? I'm curious to run Heat Detector on MSO (and probably MSE)
 
11:55 AM
I modded a by all means small and obscure subreddit for a while and even there the usual surfaced regularly
 
I have gotten disappointingly unimaginative insults on my blog I guess
 
@Magisch Oof. That sounds like you had a time there... We might not get that, but there's still enough stuff for us to mod ;)
 
@MetaAndrewT. I'd be curious about MSE
 
@Magisch It doesn't need to be outright rude to evoke negative emotions. How do you feel about their potential averted decision to get rid of meta?
 
I don't actually believe people are getting meaner over all
 
11:56 AM
@Magisch we're mostly insulated
 
@Magisch I think Neopets does!
 
it's just anonimity brings out the worst in people
 
@Magisch where did you see there was a decision to get rid of meta?
 
(Or they have great mods too :) )
 
@Marshmallow a sidewalk evokes negative emotions for me, I don't think I could convince anyone to get rid of it
 
11:57 AM
@Magisch I think there were some very emotional moments back in the dramatic moments of 2018, but now I mostly see reasoned but jaded logical arguments
@Magisch You'd still try to get as less of it as possible
 
@Marshmallow I wouldn't take a job as sidewalk cleaner, sure
 
> . . . I don't want to send new people to a place where people have these experiences. Full stop.
 
@Marshmallow so they won't be coming to meta
which is bad but that dosen't mean meta is gone. Just... less relevant
 
On the one hand, SE hasn't exactly given the meta community reason to trust them very much, and has in fact blamed them for stuff that (hopefully, based on Sara's blog post?) they're now realizing was unfair. On the other, the meta community does at times get toxic, especially after being disillusioned by the way SE has treated them.
I think it's sort of a create-your-own-enemy situation - SE has inadvertently turned what was a small crowd of a few rude people into a large community, consisting of the moderation backbone of the site, of people fed up with the way SE has treated them. From there on it's a Catch-22.
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11:59 AM
It's reasoning for removing a feature
 
Yeah the meta community is in a bad place right now
 
"Hot on Meta", to me, seems like it might as well have been "Meta".
 
@Magisch Perhaps, but I also think the internet makes it easier to be confronted with more of that, at least making it seem overall as if stuff is deteriorating fast (especially as the number of people using a single place grows).
 

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