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7:00 PM
@georgemarian Mac OS X Server...?
 
It is really good to see this community-building; can I intrude with a quick question; we've tweaked the site to make things like replies easier - other than the visual glitches, is that "working", or is it a thing of pure-ugly? Just after some feedback...
 
@boltclock Yah, his point was that's a small market.
 
@marcgravell I like how this is shaping up though there's a lot more visual feedback than I'm used to. If you're referring to chat, that is.
 
@marcgravell You mean the arrow on hover at the end of the message? I like it. The only thing I may suggest is a bit more separation between the other icons and the flag link, though I haven't had any issues misclicking.
 
yes, chat. I'm fully focused on chat for the foreseeable future
 
7:03 PM
evening
 
Almost any mouse over seems to trigger some fancy effect somewhere in the viewport. Also, I'm not sure I like my gravatar bouncing endlessly till I do something about it.
Hey @ThomasMcDonald :)
 
@Bolt You can press [esc] as a quick dismiss
 
@Marc
 
@devinb
 
excellent, I didn't know about esc
 
7:04 PM
There's a UX problem here with the response arrow and the favourite/reply boxthingy
 
@marcgravell What visual glitches?
 
@marcgravell Interesting. It clears the text box too though, not sure if that's another feature of [esc] in itself.
 
@Marc, I like the little 'quick bar'
 
@Marc I like the quick bar too, but now we have two separate ways to do something and the only difference is that one of them has "flags" and some context info
 
@populardemand it can cause unexpected sudden resizing if the hidden elements (when displayed) don't fit; same problem we had with the star initially
 
7:06 PM
@MarcGravell Not related to the reply feature, but right now I'm staring at 2 marker lines.
 
you can get 3 if you switch around enough
 
@marc I think the quick bar should have an outlined star and reply to, (to indicate that you haven't clicked) and should be removed from the "context menu" thing.
 
@marcgravell Ah, I noticed that once earlier; didn't bother me one whit.
 
What are those dotted lines for? I don't get it.
 
@Bolt - that is in the FAQ; now with pictures!
 
7:08 PM
@marcgravell I like how the first screenie in the FAQ is an incognito Chrome window :)
 
I read on Meta that the reply arrow is designed to be like Twitter's. I don't use Twitter, and found it to be not intuitive at all. But I'm guessing that most people are Twitter users and wouldn't be bothered.
 
@devinb oddly enough, the first thing I stole (er, borrowed) was the outlined/filled star from SO. When I brought it over here our designer swapped it for this golden/silver one. Should I try the hollow one again - see if he notices?
 
As a color-blind speaking guy, yes, do try the hollow one
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Also, not thrilled with having to move my hand to the mouse to click the reply arrow. But I can't think of any other way to do it.
 
@marc He probably would.
 
7:09 PM
@BoltClock I do most of my testing in "incognito", so that I can keep being "me" in my main window, and have conversations with myself
 
@marcgravell he's a designer, what do you think?
 
@Lasse - thanks; that is actually a really strong argument for it.
 
I have problems with contrast
and those small stars, golden, silver, hard to see
 
I'll hack that in tomorrow morning. I'll also swap the flags from SO comments (which have more than just contrast)
 
Yes, they're very tiny.
 
7:10 PM
I think the context menu has too much whitespace.
It has very little to convey, but it uses up a large area to do it.
 
@marcgravell One thing is that my monitor width is set such that when I hover over this message the actions wrap around to the next line.
 
@ThomasMcDonald I'll look at it ;p
 
though don't mind my color blindness
 
It's not major, it just moves everything about
 
@thomasmcdonald What's your screen res/browser size?
 
7:11 PM
if you really want to do that, fix the red links
 
@lassevkarlsen Yah, I do as well, though I'm not color blind. Recently, gmail changed their interface a bit which rendered the Perfect Dark userstyle I was using worthless.
So much for being perfect.
 
@boltclock Well, according to chrome, the width of the <html> element is 1561px.
 
Alright, I feel a little better, though my stomach doesn't seem too happy with so much fruit in it.
 
Trying to organise a TF2 highlander team is driving me nuts.
I think I shall go back to the regex I was working on
 
@thomasmcdonald I'm not into highlander tourneys, sadly.
 
7:18 PM
@thomasmcdonald Is that like melee (sword) only?
 
@boltclock I usually play 32-man payload, so it should be a... change
@georgemarian It's 9v9, one player/class
 
@georgemarian no, highlander means each team has 1 of each class. So each team has 9 players.
 
@thomasmcdonald I go home to 12v12 Goldrush/Dustbowl, or payload, servers.
 
@thomasmcdonald Taken out of context, that sounds so wrong...
 
7:20 PM
@georgemarian hahahahaa
 
I sure wish this feature request would get implemented, I hate clicking on all the tabs.
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Q: Can we get notification in the tab?

Lance RobertsI'm usually running many different StackExchange sites in Firefox using tabs (using ReloadEvery to update every 5 minutes). Right now to check for activity I have to manually click on the tab to see if the envelope is lighted. How about making the icon on the tab or the text change in some way,...

I also wish I could put more than one bounty out at a time.
So I could work the issue.
 
I love Craig's comment on that question.
 
It is accurate.
I got fooled just today by the evil red envelope.
 
@lanceroberts Sounds like there should be an app for that; so api anyone?
 
Goodness, it drives me nuts. I don't mind being notified about edits to a favorite question, but I do mind having to go looking for it myself. (In fact, I do want to know about the edits.)
 
7:25 PM
I'm dying to do something with the API but all I know is PHP, which is something I want to take a break from.
OK I do know some C# and Java but those are from school
 
Use my PHP wrapper, although I possibly need to update it still...
 
Well, the API is mainly json; presumably there is a php json layer?
 
"[PHP] is something I want to take a break from"
 
Argh, FaceBook why do you suck so much?
 
7:27 PM
@boltclock I saw that, and ignored it.
 
@georgemarian That is a rhetorical question, right? (This, however, is not.)
 
@Marc, you'd think that if they can put the number of messages in chat in the tab, that a slightly different icon would be pretty easy.
 
Nice, WP Answers in private beta
 
I do hardly any web programming, just starting a little with sharepoint, but I can definitely see why programmers need stackoverflow.
 
7:33 PM
Uggh...I so don't want to pack...by I really should prep another car load for tomorrow.
 
@lanceroberts yes - some dynamic favicon action should work fine on most browsers.
 
What happened to transcripts? I can't seem to find the link anymore.
 
@boltclock Scroll all the way up.
 
@georgemarian moving?
 
The button doesn't stay at the top of the screen naturally.
 
7:35 PM
@populardemand got it.
 
@Marc, we need a quick bar for our own messages to edit
 
Hm, that was a poor wording scenario.
The button doesn't stay at the top of the window naturally?
 
@lanceroberts Yup, end of the month. I'm taking some stuff to a friend's garage, one car load at a time. That much less to haul down the stairs with the big stuff.
 
I like to be overly technical and call it the viewport :/
 
The button doesn't stay in the visible area of the screen naturally.
Ah, fair enough.
 
7:37 PM
@Lance - for when the "up" key isn't enough ;p But yes, the pencil icon could be made available for edit. When you have edited it could also be the route to see the history.
 
I don't feel like people use that term consistently, though.
 
@marcgravell Up arrow only works for the last message, right?
 
right
fix mistakes quicker ;p
 
@georgemarian It works for your last message.
I just tested it after your message made mine not-the-most-recent and I still got the edit box.
 
of course, we could perhaps let you "up", "up", "up" to select through your recent. Would that help?
 
7:38 PM
@populardemand Well, duh :P
 
Actually, I have to do a test...
@georgemarian Not so "duh." I would have expected the up key to have no effect if your message wasn't the most recent.
 
I should probably go soon, 3:40 am here.
 
@marcgravell change to test message
 
c-c-combo breaker
 
@populardemand Fair enough, in retrospect that's a very valid interpretation.
 
7:40 PM
Hm, if you post a message, press up and then click the "reply" arrow, your existing message gets clobbered by the reply text. Is that by design?
 
hum
 
Yay, I got my first beta badge. Apparently, Personal Finance and Money is now in public beta.
 
Woo hoo, gotta go home and ask a question straightaway.
See yinz.
 
Btw, is it normal if the number of badge displayed is out of sync for at least a week
 
ttfn
 
7:42 PM
I should probably get Automattic to integrate Unicornify in WordPress.com and .org blogs.
 
So yah, RE long answers:
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Q: Why is everyone saying how desperately we need to save money "in this economy"?

JeffreyEverywhere you turn today, you hear people talk about how much they need to save or how important it is to find a good deal on things "in this economy". They use phrases like "now more than ever" and "in these uncertain times". It seems to be a lot of doom and gloom. Is there really a good reaso...

They do sometimes get read. :)
 
I have a couple of long answers on SO that are both read, commented upon and voted up
so they do get read :)
My longest one is actually my most upvoted answer, 214, stackoverflow.com/questions/5727/…
 
heh, nice
 
edit test
 
=0 dayum. that's a long answer
 
7:44 PM
My most upvoted answers tend to be pretty short.
 
@lassevkarlsen Whoa, that's a small essay there.
 
I'll have to read it later. ;)
 
hmmm, if you cancel your edit, the up button won't work for you next time
 
it says I get 1 silver badge, but I got Enthusiam + Beta Badge
is it normal ?
 
7:46 PM
@Lance - that might just mean your 2 minutes is up. You only get 2 minutes to edit in.
 
@holyvier I'd assume there's a delay in the calculation of that.
 
Man, it's great that more people are coming in but I'm going in 15 minutes...
 
nah, i moved quick, it wasn't even a minute.
 
delay ? its been like that for a week
 
I hit the up button, hit the cancel button, then tried to mouseover and up again, but no luck.
 
7:46 PM
that's what I though at first
 
lol I just slapped my tummy and the cat looked up towards the kitchen. When she saw that I wasn't in the kitchen making noise, and hence there was no chance I was about to pop open another can of wet food, she went back to sleep.
@holyvier Oh. No idea then.
 
@Lance - is your focus in the text input? it is that that captures up as edit
 
@georgemarian lol
 
@georgemarian Yeah, so Lasse wins.
 
another test
 
7:51 PM
She loves her wet food. She'll come running into the kitchen and mew at me even just an hour after I feeding her wet food.
 
Really enjoying watching people using stackoverflow-chat for general community building. Very rewarding to see.
 
@marc, yes I was mouseovering the text
 
status-no-repro
 
@marcgravell followed and RTed
 
What does the (*) mean in the tab title for this chat tab in my browser?
 
7:52 PM
@lassevkarlsen somebody replied to you
 
ah
Ah, and it disappears on escape, nice
 
Oy...I'm gonna have to consolidate some of my Twitter lists, or something.
 
Though I also have short and concise, not directly answering the question, answers that sometimes gets a lot of upvotes: stackoverflow.com/questions/322653/…
 
I love how commonplace browser terminology uses 'tab' in lieu of 'window' now. I haven't heard anyone say 'browser window' in ages.
 
@lassevkarlsen hilarious :)
 
7:58 PM
I believe in reuse of existing resources
No point in reinventing the wheel
 
@marc, FF3.6.8
 
Is that like Johns 2:17 ?
 
not exactly
 
Somebody just gave me the FGITW label for the first time. Is this good or bad :/
 
@boltclock Eh, WTF is that?
 
8:07 PM
Fastest Gun In The West - the fastest reply to the question
 
status-narcissism
 
I just had to search for it as well
 
Wow... there's no way to put a jokey face around that.
 
3
Q: What is FGITW and SCITE on MSO?

AlI only read MSO every so often. I'm reading lots of talk about SCITE and FGITW but have no idea what these are. Can someone please define and explain these abbreviations?

 
@boltclock Well, in that case it's a good thing. If a woman says it you, it's probably a bad thing.
 
8:09 PM
Specifically, this answer I posted
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A: Select every X element in CSS

BoltClockWell, it's called nth-child(), so use the n variable and work with it (you can do basic arithmetic on it + - * / although only multiplying is necessary here): div:nth-child(4n) Also, for pseudo-classes, use :, not ..

@georgemarian I'd bet :S
 
Boo, I didn't get a beta badge for Ubuntu. I guess that's what I get for only asking one question and only posting one answer. =/
 
The UI isn't updated yet, and the error handling is minimal, but if anyone wants to play a game of "Not a real question" with fresh data from the API, go to notarealquestion.appspot.com/api/{SITE} where {SITE} is one of meta-stackoverflow, stackoverflow, serverfault, superuser, gaming, cooking
 
> Sorry, retrieving a game from the API failed. Please try again.
 
told you, error handling is minimal
try again
especially for cooking, you might need a few tries
 
Ok, it's wokring now. (Yah, it was cooking that failed on the first try.)
 
8:16 PM
that site is on the bottom of the neccessary question counts for making a game
 
Alright, I should be going. It's late.
 
What's in the box below the question title? How come my cursor disappears when I hover over it? How the heck does thing work? :D
 
Cheers guys, I'm out.
 
@boltclock C'ya
 
@GeorgeMarian the game works like always -- if you haven't played it yet, see notarealquestion.appspot.com
 
8:24 PM
@balpha Ah yes, go figure, more info on the main page.
 
Man updating an iPad takes forever :P
 
@lassevkarlsen Correction, Man updating anything connected to iTunes takes forever ;)
 
yeah, ok, I was too specific :)
I should update my iPhone as well, probably going to wait until tomorrow with that one
just want to get rid of the PDF vulnerability
 
@lassevkarlsen Ugh...I don't wanna update my 3G to iOS 4 =/
 
Don't!
Wait until 4.1 at least, rumours has it they've fixed the worst performance problems with that
4.0 was a disaster on 3G, 4.0.1 was a slight improvement
 
8:31 PM
Yup, precisely why I don't wanna upgrade.
@balpha Pretty cool. Another good time waster. ;) (BTW, it's whitescreening on http://notarealquestion.appspot.com/contest/new/{SITE})
 
yeah, fixing that right now
forgot the legacy support
 
Awww...so close to getting one right. I only had two of the vote counts wrong.
 
8:48 PM
okay, fixed
 
@balpha, thanks for sucking more of my time, when I didn't think I had any
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@balpha Working for SO/SF not so much for cooking.
 
@GeorgeMarian You're part of the cooking community? I haven't seen you around. Hi!
 
@hobodave Hello! I haven't done much on the cooking site, though I believe that's where I found a link to the perfect french fry recipe. I think commenting in the only thing I've done so far. :)
Well, I guess I've voted as well.
 
ultimate fries sound good
 
9:02 PM
@hobodave Too much work for me right now. Though, I think I will whip up some bacon and eggs.
 
damn you
instant stomach growl
 
Heh, making you hungry? lol
Speaking of cooking, electric stoves suck. Gimme a gas range any day.
 
I hear ya. I havent' had electric in years
never missed it :)
 
Not only does the lack of instant off suck, my crappy frying pans won't lay flat. lol
 
 
2 hours later…
10:49 PM
I successfully used the 'Unemployment' demotivational poster in a powerpoint presentation today. I'm quite proud. marcofolio.net/images/stories/fun/imagedump/…
 
@georgestocker Nice
Have you seen this "Work" one? motivatedphotos.com/?id=838
 
Excellent!
 
Anyone active?
 
Very vaguely. About to go to sleep.
 
Short question:
There is a daily reputation cap.
 
11:00 PM
Yes indeed.
For votes only.
 
But on a meta site, if I get reputation there it doesn't count on the daily reputation cap of the parent site.
 
Accepted answers and bounties aren't subject to the cap, nor do they contribute to it.
 
But the reputation itself is counted on the parent site, right?
 
Hmm... not sure.
I haven't really looked at the StackExchange sites much, with the newfangled meta/parent relationship.
 
No, it's not counted, unless I'm mistaken
 
11:02 PM
Thomas: But the parent site and the meta site show the same amount of reputation. And the activity screens are separated and each show reputation.
 
No, rep isn't counted at all on the linked metas
 
That would make a certain amount of sense.
It's pretty pointless on the "main" Meta site, to be honest.
 
If I go to the rep-audit page, I get "Reputation on this per-site meta is derived entirely from the parent site; nothing to show."
 
@jonskeet Other than bragging rights, or maybe to show "commitment."
 
Thomas: But then, why does it show the reputation of the parent site (Super User) and show in the activity of the meta site that it sums up to 55 reputation? (I earned 215 reputation on Super User part from that)
 
11:04 PM
@jonskeet don't you talk smack about MSO rep!
 
Jon Skeet: Good night anyway... :-)
 
@TomWij In the Web Apps or WordPress meta sites there is no mention of reputation, the reputation tab in the user profile is not there.
 
Thomas: Yeah, but for Super User there is a reputation tab.
Well, not that there is much activity on that meta.
 
Is there?
 
Yes
 
11:07 PM
Right, off now... trying to get one last SO question before sleep.
 
I was up to 590 rep for the day, but one answer was unaccepted :(
 
I wonder if you can see that, you might want to replace it by your user id if you have one.
It shows that I got 40 rep from one question and 15 rep from another.
 
@jonskeet Dayum! You are a machine.
 
Jon Skeet: Nice, I wish I can do that on Super User, but it's less active... :-(
 
11:09 PM
@TomWij Aaah, I've been misunderstanding you
I see what you mean
 
@GeorgeMarian: It's been a good day, yes :) And 560 yesterday...
Night all.
 
@JonSkeet How do you get any sleep? lol
g'night
 
Night.
 
That's odd, but it definitely doesn't affect anything else.
 
Thomas: It would make me think that it's an easier way to get reputation, SU is not as active as SO at the moment thus there wouldn't me much to gain extra from the meta.
But this could be misused if the same occurs on the SO meta.
 
11:12 PM
@TomWij Try using an @ before typing a name.
 
Well, I'll mention it as a bug on the SU meta and they'll have to point out what's right and fix the confusing tab.
@GeorgeMarian: I know, it's just the space in the name that not made me do that. ^^
 
@tomwij SO meta is completely separate from SO, unlike the other meta sites
 
what the
 
Hit tab to go through the list that pops up. Let the code to the work for you.
 
11:14 PM
I just became a mod on my SE out of the blue
 
@hobodave Quick! Ask for $1Mil and a unicorn!
 
@GeorgeMarian: Yeah, but I'm a Dvorak typer and I like to type things out... :-D
 
lol
 
@GeorgeMarian: Thanks anyway, I'll try to keep using it. ^^
 
@hobodave If you ask nicely they'll probably send you a shirt
 
11:15 PM
@TomWij Oooh..I've always wanted to switch to a Dvorak.
 
@ThomasMcDonald: really? have pics?
 
Well, I got one for participating in Stack Apps and making something with the API
 
I think I might want a T-shirt for Super User in the future...
 
But I only got around to filling out the form a couple of hours ago
 
But they seem to be a present rather than available for ordering...
 
11:17 PM
Yup
 
@GeorgeMarian: Just do it! :-)
 
@TomWij Good idea. I do have lots of time on my hands these days.
 
Ah... Switch to a Dvorak. I'm just typing blindly on a dutch azerty keyboard...
 
I think switching to a different keyboard layout would probably scar me for life.
 
Though, right now I'm avoiding packing....I so dislike moving.
 
11:20 PM
My 2nd gen iPod touch didn't slow down when I installed iOS4... until I installed iBooks
 
That reminds me, I have a phone call to make to the our apt complex.
 
Which I will never use
 
On my previous laptop I moved the keys around and made a custom Dvorak lay-out that uses the numbers/symbols from the dutch azerty keyboard.
On this laptop I don't dare to move them around, but I don't need to as I just hit (shortcut) keys blindly.
I wonder how my future girlfriend will act when I explain her Dvorak... :D
 
Or I just let her type something without telling her. ^^
Huh? What's wrong, is it a virus? Let me type something... There's nothing wrong!
 
11:24 PM
Is there a doc anywhere regarding moderator guidelines?
 
The problem with changing the keys on something that you use in public is that it draws too much attention...
 
@hobodave Just don't press the "nuke all" button
 
lol
 
I hate explaining it over and over again...
 
@ThomasMcDonald I bound it to my N key
 
11:25 PM
So I didn't change their positions on this one, I think it isn't possible either.
 
###Moderator Guidelines
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.
 
oh no
 
Ideally, you shouldn't have to move the keys around. Of course, that's not so easy while you're still learning it and it doesn't let you refer to the keys for help. :)
 
</dvorak rant>
@GeorgeMarian dvzine.org suggests you to print out a keyboard chart
 
i was thinking of switching to a dvorak, but i realised that my brain was the bottleneck, not the keyboard
 
11:27 PM
@TomWij I've also seen overlay kits.
 
@Fara: The fun starts when you try to multitask... ^^
@Fara: Once managed to type things that appear on the chalk board while listening to the prof and talking to a friend...
I didn't hold a pen or stylo this year except for filling in exams, I'm so used to typing that it became like writing.
 
I was great at multitasking as a college DJ during the morning shift. That was before HDD based systems. Well, they were just coming out at the time, but we couldn't afford 'em. Lots of fun.
 
@GeorgeMarian Yeah, overlay kits and dvorak keyboards are better available in the US I guess... But they aren't for my laptop I'm afraid.
I'd rather write down a shopping list on a computer and print it out than to write it down with a pen... xD
 
@TomWij I think I've seen kits that basically consisted of stickers with clear backgrounds. So no need to find something that fits your keyboard. Even that isn't as common these days, what with "ergonomic" keyboards and what not.
 
@TomWij yeah sometimes i start to do that before realizing how nuts it is :)
 
11:35 PM
@GeorgeMarian Ah, might me an idea... But the stickers have to be of a good quality then, my first Rubik's Cube had the stickers coming off them, there I learned that stickers don't always stick in place... :D
 
@TomWij Definitely. It would be annoying as all heck if they're slipping under your fingers or falling off all together.
 
@hobodave: There are guidelines on the blog, one moment, I have read those today...
 
thanks!
 
"I've got your daddy right here. He's only got one eye. And, two little uncles for you, too." I'm so glad I finally gave Aqua Teen Hunger Force a chance.
 
That post contains information towards moderators, I guess that looking how other moderators perform might be a good idea too. You can try to contact those or Jeff Atwood if you have issues....
I've read something about a moderator chat too but I can't seem to find that information in my history, uh well... Congrats anyway! :-)
@hobodave: I want to become a moderator on Super User, but I'll guess I'll just wait for it... :-)
It would be rude to ask that out of the blue, I'll just do my best and hope for someone up there to notice it... xD
 
11:46 PM
@tomwij That's probably the best way. Take part in the community to demonstrate commitment and interest.
 
@GeorgeMarian: Yeah, I like mixing music too. But I do it completely software based just for personal fun... I don't want to buy all the music and all the hardware needed, although it would be amazing to spin at some club or party.
 
@tomwij I never got into mixing. Though I had the interest, the financial out lay for good turntables was too much for me. Maybe some day. That said, the software based approach makes great sense. Especially now that my new computer doesn't suck.
Though, I'm still using my monitor's speakers. lol
@TomWij What software are you using?
That reminds me, I still haven't bought any controllers. Man, so many interests, so little money and time...
 
@georgemarian That sums up my exact same problem... And we're probably not the only ones.
Tried different ones, but Traktor seems to be the best for this.
I would pay for that software if I would use it for a club or party... It's great.
This laptop doesn't allow me to listen through headset and speakers at the same time, my previous did.
 
Ever try Reason (I think that's the name)?
 
Reason is Music Production software... I don't think you can use that for live DJing.
 
11:55 PM
Ah.
 
But yeah, music production would be something else I would like to be into.
Again, controllers and midi keyboards make such task much easier.
I think Ableton Live is a great program for that.
 
Yah, same here. A friend of mine bought Reason and we had some fun with it. I listened to a lot of Hip-Hop that summer.
 
Another thing I would be into is singing.
Sing&See shows your pitch real-time, I know of an application on the iPhone that's even better (Pitch Primer if I'm not wrong about the name) but sadly I don't have an iPhone.
 
Got any suggestions on midi controllers and keyboards? Part of the reason I haven't jumped on it is the price and not knowing what's worth the cost.
 
No idea... Haven't looked into that either, you have budget models too but I guess it would become to limited to fast for me.
 
11:58 PM
Yah, there's another thing I've been meaning to do. Get some voice lessons and what not.
 
KaraokeParty.com is also nice for learning to sing in pitch.
@GeorgeMarian: My main thing is studying Computer Science at the university, I keep these different things in mind for when that fails... I would probably do something in the music world if my computer science career fails or if it doesn't work out as I want it to.
 

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