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Rob

12:19 AM

Out of curiosity, why is Chris still marked as a moderator on his chat profile? Never seen a chat-only moderator before

user315433

12:37 AM

gone

user315433

1:29 AM

The DAG priorities thing has 2400 views... easy to tell how representative that is of SO userbase.

user202362

I wonder ... has any apex predator attack a prey from behind and been spilled excrete all over by the panicking prey?

user202362

must have happened sometimes right?

user202362

2:31 AM

IDE error occurred

user202362

best IDE ever - sometimes install it on the test device, sometimes it doesn't ... for the same code ...

user202362

probabilistic installer ...

user310756

2:51 AM

morning - opps afternoon O>O

user202362

>_<

user310756

I'm not a morning person -_-

user310756

I have to got to my horses! gallops off

user202362

l8r

Elias

🐔🐴

user202362

3:29 AM

I have one naggy chicken

user315433

5:54 AM

Recent reports right now: Arduino, AU, SO, AU, SU, SO, SO, SO, AU, AU, AU, Ask Different, Ask Different, Astronomy, Astronomy, AU.

user315433

Having site name that begins with A comes at a price.

user315433

If Oli's not getting a better blacklist, renaming the site as "Ubuntu" is an alternative solution.

rene

→ 11 messages moved to Chimney

Magisch

6:25 AM

Did the review numbers on SO ever recover?

rene

6:47 AM

@Magisch I think that should be noticeable in SEDE, give me 6 to 8 minutes

rene

7:00 AM

@Magisch it looks like it recovered a bit: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/707832#graph (that is completed reviewtaks in all queues)

Rob

@rene What does deletiondate refer to in terms of review tasks?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Split audio file with cue file by Helen D on superuser.com

Rob

Are review tasks 'deleted' once completed?

rene

@Rob yes, I always interpret it like that, but I'm only on one coffee so let me recheck

Rob

@rene Looks to be the case.. there are no tasks that are 'active' and without a deletion date

rene

7:09 AM

@Rob I've added the deletes and completed counts now

the difference in those counts is ageing and other reasons that invalidate a task

Albzi

7:34 AM

How weird, I can access this chat fine. Any other chat room is blocked for me

user202362

yes, this is a room for praying ...

user202362

you might beg for your sin here

Albzi

Seems counter productive to pray... then beg for my sin

I need a new profile picture, I've used one of the windows default pictures for a long time

Shadow Wizard

@Albzi what room is blocked? What message or error you get?

rene

@Albzi on which server?

user202362

7:40 AM

wouldn't help, God uses reference not face recognition system

Shadow Wizard

@Albzi use this ^

Sagar V

which android emulator is best for win 10 (I don't want the blues ta ucks )

Shadow Wizard

I used the emulator built within the Android Studio

It's slow as hell but appeared to work fine.

user202362

which one to use depends on your real target device

user202362

assuming you are testing android app on it

Shadow Wizard

7:51 AM

@Telkitty think he wants it instead of smartphone

Jul 31 at 8:40, by Sagar V

2 more days to reach one month without having a Smart Phone

Sagar V

@Telkitty not to test. Want to use an app

Downloaded one I can trust. Xamarin App Player

developer.xamarin.com/releases/android/android-player

Albzi

8:15 AM

@rene It's a workplace proxy

Not because of a specific web error or anything like that

Also thanks @ShadowWizard, I'll change it now

Ok I changed the image but it didn't update here

I assume I have to wait a while

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Debugging Apple Watch Wifi by ADITI CALL DELHI GIRLS on apple.SE

Derpy

8:41 AM

@SmokeDetector was just going to suggest that the user should be deleted too. Lucky the system preceded me.

Derpy

9:31 AM

Free rant of the day.

> why do antivirus vendors think it is smart to just sell activation codes for their products and have the users download the antivirus from internet?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Migration from Rackspace IMAP to local exchange 2010 server? by Christian Stewart on serverfault.com

Albzi

@Derpy especially because most of their users are unfortunately not gud with compooder

I don't use any antivirus any more

Norton is horrible, AVG is a resource hog

There were a few others I used, but weren't very good

Just decided to not download from dodgy sources

I know it's not foolproof but if I get a virus I'll fist fight it out my computer

Derpy

@Albzi sorry, but I don't get what you meant. Unless you mean "because most users won't see the intrinsic nonsense of that, allowing them to save the dvd cost"

rene

@Derpy you know the 3F's from McAfee's sales/marketing strategy?

Derpy

What I meant is that it seems pretty "un-smart" to sell you a product that should protect you from the "evil of the internet" and then ask you to fetch it from the internet.

It is like asking you to fetch the air tanks you just bought for your diving from the bottom of the sea.

It is like selling you a bulletproof vest and have it delivered in the middle of a gunfight.

user202362

9:48 AM

doable by drones

user202362

drone delivery company can buy insurance against lost bulletproof vests due to gunfire

Derpy

remember this?

Jul 28 at 12:30, by Derpy

The point is that you need to connect to the internet. Basically, your iso will be a downloaded iso from a pc that was connected to the internet. Call it paranoia, but basically MS has just managed to pull back any responsibility to give us a virus-free installation media by delegating the creation of such media to the end-user

that is pretty lame from an OS vendor.... it becomes foolish when an Internet Security suite / antivirus vendor does the same.

1) you need to connect to the Internet
2) you don't have an antivirus, so you need one before you connect
3) you buy an antivirus license
4) you need to download the antivirus
5) return to point 1)

Albzi

That's what I meant too @Derpy

If I was going to ship out a virus i'd make a site that looked like an existing antivirus site

so they think they're downloading an antivirus but it's actually not

Derpy

10:07 AM

@rene Nope.

Sagar V

10:19 AM

Why rollbacking an approved edit won't remove the 2 rep for suggested edit?

@ShadowWizard starred because if someone want to sponsor one, I can save it's cost :-)

Sagar V

10:44 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/q/299443/228134

told him it is off topic but then reply

ya,I know but not propar solution my problem , plz help me — user8118532 1 min ago

Journeyman Geek

10:55 AM

@Derpy cause it means higher profit margins

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek at least until your customers become ex customers.

Journeyman Geek

yup

but some people insist on third party AV anyway

rene

@Derpy basically they don't care about their users, at all. At least that was their strategy at the start of this century.

Derpy

@rene Don't know. It seems that the "no install DVD" thing for security suites and the like started recently. I recall McAfee still had disks media included in 2015 (at least from what I remember, never used McAfee)

rene

11:11 AM

@Derpy that could be true yes. But since 2015 the Internet has become a much better place ...

Derpy

@rene .....................

rene

XD

Sagar V

Jon, will the Documentation completely removed from the site or available as read only?

Derpy

so glad I didn't jump on the "free Documentation rep" train when the feature was launched.

rene

@SagarV it says here they don't have a set plan.

@Derpy yeah, I played a bit with it but the stuff I contributed was later (re)moved and then I gave up.

Elias

11:19 AM

I already gave up when browsing Android's Docs... perhaps I chose a wrong tag.

rene

Well, Android ... isn't that the tag people go to when they are done leaving crap in the PHP tag?

Sagar V

then I have a feature-request provide an archive of documentation for download

rene

@SagarV that is in the many proposals as answers and in Jon's post as well. You need to read those posts, not only skim the titles ...

Sagar V

There are 39 answers. just read some of them

rene

Awesome

Derpy

12:06 PM

Was looking for some sort of gatcha mobile game for a cat lover.

Found a game called "Castle Cats".

then, among the cats, I see this one....

Albzi

@rene I contributed to the PHP tag originally

It got changed immediately by someone else so they got the rep

and then eventually removed and re-written as something similar

By another person

rene

@Albzi What? Where? How? In a tag wiki you mean?

Albzi

Oh I mean documentation

Where you on about something else?

Elias

@SmokeDetector gone

SoMe UsEr

12:32 PM

looks like answers require another flag reason unclear what you're asking

Elias

unclear what you're answering

SoMe UsEr

for questions posted as answers, at present we're using NAA. but many of them are unclear what they're asking. :P

SoMe UsEr

1:14 PM

~ everyone is coming no one is talking

Derpy

@SoMeUsEr the board is empty face it. The ones that you see here are just to lazy to reach the bed and are probably sleeping on the keyboard.

Steven Vascellaro

What's the quickest way to move a comment conversation to chat when the button isn't present?

SoMe UsEr

1:38 PM

@Derpy sleep in the evening

@StevenVascellaro which button

Bart

@StevenVascellaro it isn't otherwise possible afaik

134

Q: Is it possible to import comments into a chat room without the link appearing?

Question: For an answer on a stack exchange site with say 8 comments, how can I / is it possible to import the comments into a chat room? Background: I was helping with a question and made several comments before I saw the link to auto-import comments into a chat room. This was awesome by the w...

Elias

ask someone to have a long conversation with you, then click the link when it appears...

if you're OP though. Otherwise... flag in need of moderation?

user202362

we have a lot of cats here ...

Derpy

too many cats, too few ponies. Some of the cats should be converted to candy colored ponies.

Elias

Albzi

1:59 PM

I am a pony

Now...

I was a pengui

+n

Derpy

^ and so we discovered that @albzi was just @bluefeet sock all time along.

Albzi

Her left sock

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Hia

user315433

2:34 PM

> This is my week so far overhauling Stack Overflow search for Channels, @deanward81 can confirm. twitter.com/nick_craver/status/771910315843936256 … -- Nick Craver at 4:34 AM - 8 Aug 2017

canon

generics all the way down?

Albzi

I thought this place would be more lively

Maybe I got it wrong

Bart

I'm not here, that's why.

user315433

@Albzi It's not as lively as some other chatrooms; but it's also not as deadly.

Albzi

What other chat rooms are there?

That are lively

Why is this one less deadly though, I kind of like the sound of that.

user315433

2:46 PM

There are a few at chat.stackoverflow.com

Derpy

Actually there are three sets.

The rooms from the Meta site like this one

The ones specific to stackoverflow

And then all the others

The degree of "passive-aggressive" behavior you will get varies with the rooms and the avatar you are using.

rene

3:07 PM

lol

wasn't a joke.

lol

lol

3:23 PM

lol

Bhargav Rao

lol

Derpy

and in the meantime...

Amy, Columbia, TN

133 4

bug status-completed

seems someone here though the Stack logo would be a nice cutie-mark

SoMe UsEr

lol

whats happening why eveyone is lol'ng?

feeling confused

Derpy

nothing, some users like @Bart are affected by a strange OCD syndrome that makes them want to stack identical messages in a neat sequence.

They call it "message train"

canon

choo-choo

Bart

3:33 PM

choo-choo

SoMe UsEr

SO the driver is @Bart and guard is @BhargavRao

:p

no choo-choo train

Derpy

well, you shouldn't really worry about that. After all, everyone here is mad in a way or the other.

3

rene

lol

SoMe UsEr

lol

Derpy

@bart, @bjb568, @rene, @theDuckThatNeverComes, @ShadowWizard

all mad

SoMe UsEr

3:36 PM

Where's @SagarV O_O

Derpy

and after all, like another cat said once,

Bart

> "Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”

SoMe UsEr

Adam is here control the madness of others

Adam is one of us.

really?

3:39 PM

@Derpy no

@SoMeUsEr He is probably the maddest. Why would he have accepted the job to watch over us otherwise?

SoMe UsEr

@Bart anyway Adam have a big gun with infinite Ammo to fire all of us

@Derpy lol

Derpy

@SoMeUsEr The Duck isn't mean to be used as gun ammo

SoMe UsEr

The Duck?

Derpy

3:43 PM

Sep 15 '14 at 12:50, by SPArchaeologist

this one, here depicted at the annual "Angry Ducks" meeting

SoMe UsEr

@Derpy what's that highlighted by a free hand circle just above the eye

Derpy

also know as "The Duck That Doesn't Come Here Anymore Because To Many Cats Tried To Eat Her"

Infinite Recursion, Sky

3.8k 2 13 37

support feature-request discussion chat flags bounty bug

canon

@Derpy I read that bio as, "I love coding, colors, and blocks."

SoMe UsEr

Who is this user( made this answer)

4

A: Moderator Pro Tempore blog has a wrong link!

The link has been updated.

Bart

It just isn't the same without the duck

From the nic mentioned in the comments, I would assume it was Nicael.

SoMe UsEr

3:55 PM

@Bart no. Nicael is there, commented first

... as Shog9 stated by adding [status-completed]. But now looks like that was you who fixed it :) — nicael Nov 15 '14 at 19:07

user315433

@SoMeUsEr <--

Bart

Sigh ... back to my code it is. Goes to show my current status ...

SoMe UsEr

@Michelle what is that you?

user315433

Having a sockpuppet moderating SO must be time consuming.

SoMe UsEr

@Michelle unclear. is that your another account?

user315433

4:01 PM

Used to be. The account is obviously deleted now.

M.A.R.

@Bart slacking off?

@Michelle you used to be a dev?

Bart

@M.A.R. hehe, no, more like exhausted and not seeing the obvious in front of me.

M.A.R.

It's not obvious, it's Michelle

That it's not obvious is obvious and you obviously missed the obvious

So you didn't miss the obvious but you missed the obvious

Makes obvious sense to me

Elias

ob(li)vious

user315433

@M.A.R. No, just an opinionated jackass writing official-sounding answers on these sites.

M.A.R.

4:10 PM

For a minute there I thought it was Bart that said that

user315433

Emphasis on used to, as I don't write so many meta answers these days. The rest still applies.

M.A.R.

That would have given it a totally different meaning o.o

Bart

@Michelle I wanted to make a joke there, but that would reveal several past names ..

M.A.R.

@Bart do make the joke. I won't tell anyone

Bart

Nah, that would spoil the fun of figuring out who Michelle was before :D

SoMe UsEr

4:17 PM

43 minutes to go #RIP Documentation

M.A.R.

@Bart and not telling it would ruin the joy of knowledge . . . and gossiping

SoMe UsEr

@Bart are you sure

M.A.R.

@SoMeUsEr BRB gonna ask the last can-we-haz-docs question on meta.Chem

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

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SoMe UsEr

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA no new games?

SoMe UsEr

4:40 PM

late bug report

M.A.R.

5:04 PM

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA hey who you calling 🍌?

UR FACE IS 🍌

Elias

6:10 PM

Your 🍌 is in another 🏯

user315433

New blog post: Thoughts on Stack Overflow’s Documentation beta

b_jonas

Hi guys. I sent a user account merge request to the SE overlords, and the reply they sent says "Please note that we always merge accounts into the user with the lower user ID." Does this mean the account with the lower ID on the specific site, or the global SE account with the lower global ID?

M.A.R.

6:34 PM

@b_jonas I guess network ID, but why would it be different from a site ID?

b_jonas

@M.A.R. My Math Overflow account is way older than MO has become an SE2 site, so it has a low user ID on MO, but higher global SE ID.

I guess in the end it doesn't matter much. There will be some disruptions either way, but I'll want the merge anyway.

Shadow Wizard

7:11 PM

@Derpy hmm?

@SoMeUsEr it should, but it requires time and money to develop

@M.A.R. long and yellow?

316

Q: Reject an already-approved suggested edit when rolling it back

I just had to roll back about a dozen incorrect suggested edits that were approved, because all they did was litter backticks all over random words and phrases and calling it improved formatting. This is just one of the less exciting cleanup tasks I've taken it upon myself to do, as these edits ...

feature-request edits suggested-edits rejected-edits rollbacks

~~@Sag~~ @SoM ^

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA you got too many bananas so you try to get rid of them?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@ShadowWizard ;-P

@M.A.R. ;-P

user315433

7:26 PM

19

Q: Should moderators run automated bots under their accounts?

The most recent Stack Overflow election brought up some great new moderators, including Andy, who has for the past ~3 years been running a comment flag bot to automatically flag comments for removal. Since the end of the election, Andy graciously turned off the bot until we determined how best to...

discussion comments privileges moderators comment-flags

rene

@M.A.R. accountid (network) and userid (siteid) are not the same, except for Jeff and a few other early adopters

user315433

As long as they are not used to automatically reject flags...

user315433

Community is one of early adopters.

user315433

7:47 PM

12 minutes until the end of Philosophy election

Bhargav Rao

8:08 PM

And ended.

rene

@BhargavRao before you go to sleep, can you help me out on a single weird answer?

user315433

107 voted, versus 120 a year ago. Summer.

user315433

Or not, because the number of visitors to the site is up, and the number visitors to the election page is flat (235 vs 234)

user315433

Maybe the election isn't so exciting when there is one viable candidate.

Bhargav Rao

8:28 PM

@rene oops, sorry. I turned off my laptop. On phone now, tell me if I can help ya.

Bart

Stupid question perhaps @bluefeet, but as a response to the question you just posted, did we ever officially settle on "bots are okay" in general?

bluefeet

@Bart not sure if that was answered, but we haven't prevented them

Bart

Myeah, thought so. No big deal really, but it just came to mind

Bhargav Rao

Saw your flag @rene, done.

Now going to sleep.

Bart

Night

rene

8:35 PM

Night, and thanks.

@Bart bots are okay for mod purposes you mean, or do you want to include the annoying, useless ones in chatrooms as well?

user315433

8:49 PM

28

A: What should be the limits for chat bots interacting with regular users?

Call me naive, but... Why do we need special rules for bots? The rules for humans are pretty straightforward - in particular, the rules of etiquette boil down to, "don't annoy other people". If a chat-bot is annoying people (by posting lots of noisy messages or - just as an example - graphic vi...

rene

9:03 PM

@Michelle that is limited to chat bots but it could easily extend to moderation bots as well I guess. Just handle them as normal users. In that case though the Comment flagger bot shouldn't run under mod credentials

user315433

Not clear. Another way to read that is that bots are an extension of the user's account, so should have the privileges of that user.

user315433

The bot wouldn't be able to flag if Andy didn't have 15 rep points on SO. And it wasn't the bot earning them.

user315433

Unrelated: Cody Gray was a mod on Philosophy, which is something I never knew. (So was virmaior, who somehow got appointed without leaving a trace anywhere on meta.)

cazc_941

9:24 PM

That's interesting

Adam Lear

9:45 PM

@Michelle there's a faint trace here: philosophy.meta.stackexchange.com/a/374/1380

user315433

Thanks, that clarifies things.

user315433

> if you truly believe that a moderator has abused his/her privileges, you can send an email to team+philosophy@stackexchange.com,

user315433

Is this how all sites work, with team+sitename@stackexchange.com ?

user315433

Luckily that post is CW; edited.

rene

10:13 PM

> I got... a few wording changes to the flag dialog.

I hear disappointment ...

Shog9

10:30 PM

As summer winds toward its end and the monsoon rains pelt my house, I find myself reflecting on the speed at which the days go by and how little I've accomplished in them...

...at least I got the roof fixed.

user315433

> I added heuristics to enable deletion of many of those "thank you" comments with a single flag; that already accounts for about 50 comment deletions on Stack Overflow every day

user315433

That can't be right. Should be 100+

user315433

Unless you meant "50 percent".

Shog9

10:50 PM

@Michelle oh good grief, it's > 200... I forgot SQL isn't case-insensitive.

Adam Lear

11:01 PM

@Michelle Sorta? It's just gmail magic where you can add whatever to your address after a +.

@rene I don't know whether to feel offended or what. :P