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1:41 AM

@ɥʇǝS Welp, I know what non-default option you'll be setting yours to, lol.

ɥʇǝS

1:55 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@JasonC i personally choose left because it's consistent with site chooser, but welp, I'll get a non-default one :p

2:39 AM

Damn, I have to admit, that left margin version is growing on me.

Working on a compact mode for the list:

3:58 AM

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user315433

4:59 AM

Is CoCalc a weird name, or is it just me? The new name of SageMathCloud...

user202362

5:36 AM

6:38 AM

@peterh if you create a room with someone you're expected to write something there. I doubt Shog will just appear there and say "Hello, do you need anything? Please tell me what you want and I'm at your service."

Just saying. :)

Creating such a room cause instant inbox item, so if done for nothing it's just irritating.

@Guero not just you... if anything, GoCalc is more catchy. ;)

@Jason how's your pimple? ;)

@Telkitty you usually add some context, what is this about this time?

0_0

x_X

user202362

 chasing after you

user202362

geese chasing after you ...

Not everything in life is a contest, just chill a little.

Tweeted by benner7_7 on August 24, 2016 at 3:03 AM

;-)

@Telkitty do geese eat cheese?

user202362

6:43 AM

my chicken loves cheese

My nephew was chased by a duck when he was 6 or so, he's traumatized since then. :/

@JasonC nothing you can do to help? (Sorry for late reply, remembered you posted something about your cat yesterday and that I forgot to reply, so looked for it now. :))

Still at work? @Journeyman

user202362

I think many people have been chased after by geese/duck when they were young - those bastards actually size you up and compute their success rate before launch an attack

7:01 AM

@Telkitty wow, sounds like smart ducks!

@ShadowWizard Sorry, I didn't know! I was not sure, if I have enough reason to directly contact him!

@peterh better think twice before creating a room with someone, especially SE employee... you can still post there, but just creating a room and leaving it empty appears weird. Anyway no harm done I guess. :)

@ShadowWizard yes

@ShadowWizard The logical behavior of the sw had been that he gets pinged only after my first message, not on the chatroom opening! I didn't have any intent to annoy him!

@peterh sw?

And yes, creating the room cause invitation, you actually can't ping him there unless he enter the room.

Anyway, time for a..... space sandwich!

7:26 AM

@ShadowWizard i mean... i guess i could squeeze her...

Wow, even the spammers are quiet today.

@JasonC but not off topic crappers.... ;(

@JasonC Heimlich maneuver?

Great, spammers heard you @Jason. Spam survived 31 seconds.

7:51 AM

@peterh if you need to contact someone from SE, the contact us link is the right way, even for us mods.

@JourneymanGeek well, chat is faster and is legit, e.g. see this, but of course should not be abused.

And as mods, don't you have the TL to contact SE team directly?

heh, JNat, Jon, and Tim (Stone) are still inside CoGro Musings even though it's frozen for over 200 days by now.... :D

8:25 AM

@ShadowWizard sw == software, abbreviation. In this context, the SE chat software.

@ShadowWizard Thanks, I hope.

8:38 AM

@peterh oh. Well, IMO the existing behavior is good but you can always start a new fr.... :)

8:51 AM

fr ... sw ...

ph ...

@ShadowWizard Hehe. What is fr? :-)

9:08 AM

@peterh in MSE-ish: Feature Request. 1:1

:D

github.com/zachwill?tab=overview&to=2017-01-07

LOL

Just hit me, those are things @Jason would totally do. :D

JNat

9:31 AM

@Elephant The community'll be updated as soon as I have anything :)

@ShadowWizard ok ok :-)

11:22 AM

@ShadowWizard actually for most things, its preferred we use the contact us link ;p

If its an emergency, or there's a CM around for a quick thing maaaayve

@JourneymanGeek and wait 6-8 weeks?? OK.... :/

lol

Thought communication between mods and SE team should be faster.

So what is TL for? Just off topic rants?

Well, at this point we can handle most stuff on our own

@ShadowWizard in a sense, there's a lot of cross pollination between mods.

And we have a lot of the tools we need, the rare situation where we need a CM now is when there's say an ongoing troll attack of some flavour

Even that, there's a few unofficial tricks that help

tbh, I can't really complain

@JourneymanGeek well, what I had in mind is more like general discussion with the team about stuff, not urgent request for action.

11:28 AM

Any drama in TL? :)

ah

tbh, I do that a lot more here than TL :p

@Elephant Who took my diamond?! is probably typical... :D

Tavern is TL for public.

Students Lounge, perhaps.

@Elephant well, we're not supposed to talk about the specifics of TL :p

@ShadowWizard if someone lost their diamond, they wouldn't be able to get into TL

11:37 AM

@JourneymanGeek employee can... their diamond is just for decoration.

@ShadowWizard employees are a while different kettle of fish ;p

(e.g. seen many times SE employees using moderator only tags, without having any diamond.)

(and there's been a few employees who stayed on as mods while they were working at SE)

@ShadowWizard emplyees essentially have global mod powers

Q: Can the combined flair restriction of 200+ rep on at least one site be lifted for a Stack Exchange employee?

yup

But even them don't get the shiny combined flair if not having enough repz....

-12

I just went over the list of Community Managers and this caught my attention: Different look and feel, too gray... poor Ana deserves more in my opinion. I went and dug up her combined flair just to see the reason it wasn't used: You do not have any linked accounts with 200+ rep True,...

;)

hehe, it's not declined yet.

Whoa, @Ana got over 5k in the meantime.... lol

Now @Juan got the lowest total rep with 1.2k only, but all CM's got the shiny flair.

Still, might happen again when they hire new CM who isn't part of SE yet...

JasonC for CM

11:46 AM

lol

I'd apply if they were hiring.

and I know a few other people who'd apply who I actually think would be better than me ;p

user202362

12:14 PM

My body is full of sports injuries, f**k!

So stop hurting yourself while doing sport....

user202362

I didn't want to hurt myself either ...

Well, doing sport properly is difficult, failing to prepare properly results in injuries. Been there done that... :)

@Telkitty at least you got your daily exercise...

or not.

Spending 30 minutes on stretching before and after 30 minutes of sports triple the time you have to spend, so not many people will do that...

12:17 PM

I did 24k steps and 15.5km at work today according to my watch T T

user202362

pretty good

@JourneymanGeek that's... hmm.... out of words

lol

You should charge per step! @Journeyman

like taxi?

12:19 PM

Or at least ask the company to pay for new shoes every month.... :D

lol

they're too damned cheap. See that whole saturday work thing.

@Elephant nah, he's not driving anyone ;)

user202362

I did 10k steps and 9km today, plus I got bruised toes, strained back and knee injuries

user202362

and that didn't stop me going for a jog

Hope at least it's all with air conditioning? @Journeyman

12:20 PM

nope

Sweating all day long isn't nice.

We're spread between three buildings

ouch

and we're expected to be in office wear.

So add deodorant to the expenses you want refund for.... :D

12:21 PM

lol

っSegway

user202362

warmth and sweat will keep you thin

lol

then it catches fire..

the walking is fine.

12:22 PM

And the smell? ;)

I take a shower once I get home.

You can take @rene with you, then you'll always have a good smell. :D

Otherwise, its their problem.

Q: How should I approach a co-worker on matters of personal hygiene?

61

It's a rather delicate issue that I had to deal with once or twice in the past, and can't really say I handled it effectively. I'm a bit crude, and socially awkward and would pretty much prefer to avoid such discussions with co-workers/employees. I've managed to avoid the issue by delegating it1,...

communication

@ShadowWizard at least it's not Rafflesia...

12:24 PM

@ShadowWizard so far I've had HR complain about me wearing collarless T shirts on casual friday, and having my shirt untucked so...

Had one such case in my whole life, while working in big company... he just didn't use deodorant and sweat a LOT. o_o

they'll complain. And I'll go "Well, I need to walk between buildings in office wear. What should I do?"

@JourneymanGeek lol worse than my army days! :D

(shrug so I just wear cargo pants on friday cause the hell with it).

@JourneymanGeek easy, walk with this in your pocket:

:P

12:28 PM

AI-powered deodorant?

@Elephant of course, connected to the armpits, programmed to send bit of spray when it detects sweat.

Hopefully, it's protected against hackers. :D

@Derpy you buy this for your kids? ;)

@ShadowWizard nope, just trying to launch the "random products knock-off day"

@ShadowWizard Oh boy, I love to travel. Where are we going?

@Telkitty sport is unhealthy ...

12:44 PM

@rene not with me. With @Journeyman who walks ~20km per day between buildings. Enjoy! :D

._.

I walk less than 1km

@ShadowWizard Hmm, I'm better suited in a natural environment

@ShadowWizard Normally I walk to my car and from my car to the office which I think is < 250m in total. Today is a bit more as I took a train and bus so I had to transfer and the train and bus stations are never at the spot where you really need to be.

@rene nice... same for me, and walking from car to school with the kids is adding 200-500 meters as well... :D

@rene pretty sure there are plants and trees outside between the buildings... right, @Journeyman? :)

Lol

Mostly boringly urban. One office building, petrol station, roads...

New Kids on the Block: Understanding Developers Entering the Workforce Today

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Julia Silge on June 12, 2017

Another academic year has recently ended, bringing with it a new season of graduations to celebrate and a new crop of freshly-minted graduates entering the software industry. The 2017 Stack Overflow Developer Survey provides context and data for understanding developers who are just entering the workforce compared to more experienced developers. Let’s use this year’s survey results to gain a deeper understanding of these new graduates.

Not all professional software developers go to college, but most do. In our survey, 77.5% of professional developers had a bachelor’s degree or …

@JourneymanGeek petrol.... yummy.... :D

2:00 PM

@rene lazy

user202362

I jog in the local park, I get to meet all the cute dogs in the neighbourhood :p

user202362

if their owners walk them at that time

@Bart and you walk 100km a day, I assume? ;)

@Telkitty yup. cheaper than pub....

2

2:15 PM

@JasonC love how the man still holds to his lollypop while running away. :D

Feeds

In the 90s, our variety radio station used the tagline "the best music of the 70s, 80s, and 90s." After 2000, they switched to "the best music of the 80s, 90s, and today." I figured they'd change again in 2010, but it's 2017 and they're still saying "80s, 90s, and today." I hope radio survives long enough for us to find out how they deal with the 2020s.

lol

hehe, someone copied the first on the server imgs.xkcd.com/comics/barrel_cropped_(1).jpg

so weird to see that (1) there :D

@Derpy just bought pasta today, but different brand and type.

2:32 PM

@ShadowWizard almost. 4-5km :)

user315433

2:54 PM

@Feeds It's not that they can't figure it out, they just don't want to drop 80s from the mix. I approve.

user315433

Otherwise, "best must of the last 30 years" would work.

The Goonies - This is OUR time

@Bart the bus part or the car part?

user315433

►

user315433

It's our time, don't chop it up by arbitrary base-10 cutoffs.

Comment on C# question: Php use case... .... head explodes ...

3:09 PM

@rene 4-5km walking. 60-ish train

Well, 120 in the train. 60 each way

I live on a 5 minute walk of the trainstation. So to make it 4 km I would have to make a detour...

:D

4:39 PM

meh

user315433

> Whenever someone talks about doctored tapes, all that fits in my head is: My VoiCE is my PassPORT veriFY mE -- Nick Craver at 6:13 PM - 11 Jun 2017

user315433

If that movie was filmed today, it might be called Cybers instead of Sneakers.

A: Encountering a bear in water?

It'd be called crap.

user315433

Eh. It's mostly forgettable, but has a few fun moments.

user315433

4:57 PM

Offers a sketchy blog with "Windows drivers" (probably malware) on a *nix site.

user315433

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Assuming your child can either swim or has a lifevest on, jump into water, turn canoe upside down and hide under it. I thought about this while canoeing with my daughter and her daddy. I told him about my plan if we encounter a bear and the bear decides lunge at us. ;) have a nice day!

user315433

I wonder if this actually works better than hiding from a bear under a blanket.

@Guero I read that as "Encountering a beer in water" and was like, huh?

user315433

New favorite substitutions: tho -> though and ppl -> people. Two of them are enough for an edit suggestion. Could be made automatic even...

through -> thru

user315433

5:11 PM

> This technique will get u thru ur exams but u wont remember anything after the exams are done.

user315433

Did bjb write that...?

Shog9

This technique...

user315433

5:23 PM

I was waiting for a decision on CS Educators, but it was made last week... missed the memo. The site is going forward, should be in public beta today.

Adam Lear

@Guero Should it? Not that I'm aware of. ;) (But I'll ask.)

Going public there tomorrow.

user315433

@AdamLear Okay, I forgot if it's a Monday or Tuesday thing. Thanks for confirming tho.

@Guero it has to be in sync with Microsoft's patch Tuesday: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=6027025#6027025 ...

user315433

5:39 PM

So... Monday is for CM things: call for pro tem mods, election announcement.
Tuesday is for dev things: private beta launches, private goes public.

user315433

What about the rest of the week?

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That is incredibly satisfying now, lol.

@Guero ~~Slacking~~ Compiling

user315433

Saturday is for taking stands.

user315433

Friday is usually the day when a failed beta actually closes. (I think, it's been a while)

user315433

5:43 PM

Sunday is for grabbing fresh data from SEDE

Monday is for going half the day before realizing you're an idiot and it's not Sunday.

user315433

Chemistry is still taking an effort to talk about effort.

user315433

No new election today? Photo election closes tomorrow, and that's it.

Wait

@Guero You're gerry's new form aren't you.

I recognize you by your SE news reports, lol.

Bhargav Rao

6:09 PM

@Guero Protem (pseudo elections) on pets.se concluded pets.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2168/…

Monday is for sleeping in ;)

user315433

@BhargavRao CMs picked the best candidate available.... and also the worst.

Bhargav Rao

Huh, more like a compulsion than an election?

(sorry Yvette, had to make that rhyming)

user315433

What is like expulsion but in the opposite direction?

impulsion

Shog9

6:16 PM

annexation

user315433

@TravisJ makes sense but that's related to "impulse" instead

oh, thought it was a joke

user315433

conscription

how about ingress?

user315433

No, expulsion means being forced to exit, not just exiting.

Shog9

6:19 PM

assimilate

user315433

So it should be: being forced to enter.

heh, a forced entry?

no comment

user315433

Okay. So Yvette was conscripted and is to be assimilated.

that sounds okay

user315433

Moderators being the Borg, as we know.

6:21 PM

#TIL

They are awfully picky for the Borg. Must be a distant cousin or something.

@Guero Are you talking about a physical object being expelled? Or something broader? Or like expulsion of a concept?

Ingestion, integration, assimilation, etc.

Depending on context.

Absorption, admission

Reception

Inclusion, sort of

Sorry, Shog9 already won the RSTLNE round with "assimilate".

:P

user315433

@JasonC Expulsion of a person from a group, like from a school.

Brainwashing, assimilation,

They could be shanghaied

Coerced, if by threats

I don't think there's a single word that strictly implies "forced to join a group". Shanghai probably comes closest.

And isn't completely uncommon.

Kidnapped I guess, is sometimes used in that sense

7:11 PM

lol wow

Clearly not an answer, just so ridiculously odd to post that as an answer though. I mean, is it an advertisement? Is it just trolling? Who would waste their time on that??

user315433

We get this sort of spam quite often, witch doctors promising to cure something or return a husband, etc. Dr_mack is one of those, metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…

user315433

I imagine their target audience is in the developing world.

Well... apparently the level of deception in society can still baffle me.

Alfred was right I guess.

user315433

Another of those has a U.S. phone number, 1 (914) 517 3229 -- Googling the number shows this sort of spam is pretty much everywhere.

user315433

That's near NYC, possibly "serving" refugees/immigrants there.

7:20 PM

If only all that time and energy had been spent trying to build something to help people, whoever started the scam would probably have been better off for it, and so would everyone else.

A: Can we increase the maximum tag length?

7:32 PM

Heh, built a simple set of 365 days for 2016 and noticed that it didn't include December 31... thanks leap year!

user315433

Jun 3 at 18:21, by Gerry

Why is TagName declared nvarchar(35) in SEDE, if the sites limit tag names to 25?

user315433

Now I see why...

user315433

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This can be increased, but only up to a maximum of 35 characters. This means zen-and-the-art-of-motorcycle-maintenance is right out. I increased the allowed length to 32, thus allowing zen-and-art-of-motorcycle-maint, which should be a little bit easier to recognize. This sort of compromise is ...

user315433

Podcast #111 – SRE: Occasionally Maintaining Infrastructure That You Hate

user315433

Apparently these are no longer featured (not tagged "company"), which sort of makes sense but then, no obvious way to be notified of them.

user315433

7:44 PM

Hm, I thought Feeds is posting stackoverflow.blog entries here...

user315433

So it does, but the feed does not include this podcast (yet?)

I want to comment on blog posts with my SO account =/

user315433

No, it doesn't have any podcasts after 108.

user315433

Wonder if it's a bug. We get Spanish SO announcements through that feed, but not podcasts.

¿Por que?

user315433

7:49 PM

Apparently there is a separate feed for podcasts, stackoverflow.blog/?feed=podcast

Ah, @JasonC! Fix eet ^

user315433

Usually they are contentless (of late) but this one looks/sounds better.

we are going to get sooo spammed

Well, once the feeds list gets updated

maybe @rene can fix it

Podcast #107: We’re Just Trying to be Non-Terrible

@TravisJ Fix what? Do you not want the blog feed any more?

I never notice anything I have all the feeds blocked. What do you guys want

Right now blog.stackoverflow.com/feed is in the feed list.

user315433

@JasonC Add the feed for the podcast? stackoverflow.blog/?feed=podcast it's not covered by the one we have

Feeds

8:02 PM

Jason C has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Jess Pardue on May 01, 2017

Welcome to The Stack Overflow Podcast #107 recorded Thursday, April 27, 2017 at Stack Overflow HQ in NYC, where rats were invented! Anil Dash, CEO of Fog Creek and all around great guy, is joining us again. Probably only so that he can talk about Glitch and how amazing it is! (It is though, you should try it…)

Today’s shenanigans include:

Special guests Jess Lee and Ben Halpern from the Practical Dev are in the studio to tell us all about their Developer Stories and journey to dev.to.

Ben Halpern’s website is a work of art that you must see to believe. Note: have your sound on. You’re welcome. …

Podcast #108: Welcome Back Joel!

Jess Pardue on May 08, 2017

Welcome to the Stack Overflow podcast #108 recorded Thursday, May 4, 2017 at Stack Overflow HQ in NYC. Today’s podcast is brought to you by peanut butter and Stack Overflow Enterprise. Visit stackoverflowbusiness.com for more details.

In today’s episode:

Joel is back! After a month-long surgery hiatus, Joel is back to talk about how much better the podcast is when he’s gone. There also may be some ranting about hospitals and the Apple Health app.

The right way to pronounce “hummus.” …

Podcast #109 – Nick hates making people cry, but…

Jess Pardue on May 15, 2017

Welcome to the Stack Overflow Podcast recorded Thursday, May 11, 2017 at Stack Overflow HQ in NYC. Joel is in Vienna this week at the WeAreDevs conference, so Jay is taking the reigns along with David “Rexalicious” Fullerton, Ilana Yitzaki, and me, your friendly neighborhood podcast producer! This episode is brought to you by Stack Overflow Jobs. Join the thousand other developers who have created Developer Story profiles, and see what it’s like to use a Jobs platform that actually puts developers needs first. …

Podcast #110 – IBM, You’re Wrong

Jess Pardue on May 22, 2017

Welcome to The Stack Overflow Podcast recorded Thursday May 18, 2017 at the same place they are always recorded: Stack Overflow HQ in NYC! Today’s episode is brought to you by Shabbos Goy, Maori face markings, and the brand new Stack Overflow App! (And no, Windows phone is still not supported…)

On today’s show:

We learn that Vienna is really pretty! Thanks Joel, who knew? Here’s the “St Paul’s of Apple Streudel” as it is most certainly called, probably:

August door locks: “OMG no, just no.” – Joel Spolsky …

Podcast #111 – SRE: Occasionally Maintaining Infrastructure That You Hate

Jess Pardue on June 12, 2017

Welcome to a very special episode of The Stack Overflow Podcast recorded Thursday, June 8 at Stack Overflow HQ in NYC. Why is this a very special episode, you ask? It’s all about Site Reliability Engineers (SRE). Joel and Jay are away (slackers) so David is running the show along with Ilana and 3 members of our very own SRE team. Tom Limoncelli, Mark Henderson, and Jason Harvey are here to discuss how we build and maintain Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange network.

So much great stuff in this episode: …

I added it

\o/

user315433

@JasonC Thanks. Meanwhile I asked: How to follow Stack Overflow blog?

@TravisJ I fix all the things ... oh wait ... I see @JasonC already broke everything ...

lol

user315433

8:35 PM

Once Literature got longer tags.... Can we please increase our tag length? by SQB on scifi.meta.stackexchange.com and Increase tag length limit to 32 or 35 by Mad Scientist on gaming.meta.stackexchange.com

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user315433

9:58 PM

Tim Post is moving back to the U.S.

cool, in CA? #bbq

user315433

> Been a SO user for 5 years, viewed hundreds of threads. Still don't have enough reputation to vote/comment. Fix your rep system pls. -- Benjamin McIntire at 9:21 AM - 12 Jun 2017

Meh, why comment when you can answer?

This user is a member as of 2 days ago and can already comment. Not sure the problem is the rep design...

user315433

10:39 PM

@TravisJ For example, because you want to get more details out of an answerer.