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Jason C

2:00 PM

@ShadowWizard Stop being nosey, lol.

Shadow Wizard

:D

51

Q: How are profile views counted?

This is related to the 'number of times your profile is visited by others'. How exactly does it work? For example, in my profile page, profile view count is 171.

@Fawad ^

Jason C

I know my account weirdness is an exciting event in the Tavern, haha.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC sure is!

Though the "hammertime!" was more exciting.

Fawad

@JasonC can you create a new account just to check what will be your username,about me section on other site.

Shadow Wizard

HAMMERTIME err.. something like that.

Feb 18 '14 at 2:29, 25 minutes total – 198 messages, 10 users, 9 stars

Bookmarked Feb 18 '14 at 2:54 by ɥʇǝS

I mean... it's so funny..... :D

Mithrandir

2:03 PM

Try signing up on Arts & Crafts, and see what happens...

Jason C

@Fawad I could and that would not be a bad test, but I'm not because 1) I know what it should be, although of course that doesn't mean that it actually will be correct, but more importantly, 2) I don't want to touch anything with my accounts or profiles right now until this is resolved, because I don't want to confuse any investigations.

@Mithrandir ^ I'm not going to touch anything for the time being. No new accounts, no profile edits, no tests.

It's already confusing enough.

Mithrandir

Okay, fine. If you want me to check anything else on your profile, give me a ping.

Shadow Wizard

Try going to sleep, maybe it's all just a bad dream. ;)

Jason C

@Mithrandir Thanks I really appreciate all your help here.

Fawad

JasonC pinching to test sleep

Jason C

2:05 PM

Lol

Nope. I'm awake. Or pinching myself has become part of my dreams.

@ShadowWizard Lamest nightmare ever. "HOLY CRAP, I JUST HAD THIS NIGHTMARE WHERE SOMEBODY UPVOTED A POST AND IT LOOKED LIKE I DID IT."

"AND THEN I REALIZED I WASN'T WEARING ANY PANTS."

5

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC it can oscillate... Next thing you know, that somebody can post on your behalf in chat.... :D

Fawad

Cats don't wear usually…

Shadow Wizard

@Fawad but they're walking on four legs.

Private parts are hidden. ;)

Jason C

"I know I'm not wearing pants, officer, but look, I'm crawling on all fours, so it's OK. Hey... what're you doing with those handcuffs?"

Shadow Wizard

rofl

Fawad

2:10 PM

:5870840 : I can't see history

Shadow Wizard

@Fawad right, because I deleted the message.

Only the message author, room owners, and moderators can see the history of deleted chat messages.

Oded

2:25 PM

@JasonC - not seeing a smoking gun anywhere. Still digging.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded think it's best to focus on that upvote, as it's the most critical thing so far. Can you see any details about it?

Bart

"It's a vote ... in the upward direction"

Shadow Wizard

lol

Mithrandir

I suppose I can write up an answer to avoid having people check things I already checked...

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir valid reason, go ahead! :)

Jason C

2:32 PM

I've been updating the post with a small subset of the things you've discovered, fwiw.

Oded

There is a record of you updating the "about me" section - not long after the user was created on the site.

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir noticed something.... uncommon... on your network profile. You got accounts on all Stack Exchange sites and visited all of them today?

Mithrandir

There's another use case for this script. The retrieval of the flag summary counts as a site visit for the Enthousiast & Fanatic badges. You just have to visit the global flag summary once a day. — Glorfindel Jan 11 at 8:33

Shadow Wizard

Not very uncommon to have many accounts, but visiting all of them every day is not. :)

Mithrandir

I just visited my flag summary ;)

Shadow Wizard

2:35 PM

@Mithrandir whoa... so it's screen scraping this on all sites?

Jason C

@Oded We found that. On March 2nd. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. On the 1st I did a global profile update via MSE. On the 3rd I did one via SO. I never accessed the edit profile page on Literature.

Shadow Wizard

Careful not to appear as DDoSing SE....

Jason C

@Oded The March 2nd update could be the same as the global update on the 1st or 3rd due to time-zoney things but regardless I never visited the Literature edit profile page, didn't do a manual update there, and so there's nothing to explain the avatar / username / private info being different.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded maybe check if another account was created in the exact same moment as when Jason appeared to edit his "about me" section? Hopefully, this will reveal the ghost account...

Jason C

The edit you see, best case, is the result of the MSE/SO global edit I did.

Journeyman Geek

2:38 PM

@JasonC My room mate gets away with that all the time

Jason C

(Note, btw, that I'm only presuming I did a global profile edit on the 1st/3rd. That's from my browser history. I do recall updating my global profile relatively recently I just don't remember when, and I'm assuming it's why I visited those pages on my history. But, either way, it doesn't make the literature profile less mysterious.)

Mithrandir

Can I publicly include the link to the credential that was added on Mar 3 (that, incidentally, is giving me a Page Not Found), @JasonC?

Jason C

Sure, I don't see why not.

I can confirm that that at least has nothing to do with Metasmoke, I dunno how authorizing apps works or if it's related to those credentials but I do know my Metasmoke autoflag authorization was given at least a week prior to that.

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir you already did here, so it doesn't really matter. :)

Oded

I can see a record of you (today, 3 hours ago) accessing that question. And 10 seconds later an upvote on that answer. Slip of the mouse?

Shadow Wizard

2:42 PM

@JourneymanGeek your room mate goes without pants, on all fours? o_O

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard yes

Oded

2 seconds later, an upvote on the comment there, @JasonC.

Journeyman Geek

Wearing a dog collar

Oded

Logs are consistent in regards to it being you, having the same IP address and user agent.

Jason C

@Oded That isn't me. I visited that question from my browser at exactly 10:11:41 AM GMT -0400, to investigate the new upvote reported on my profile activity page. Prior to that I did not visit it, my memory and my browser history confirms that.

So the fact that it's showing my IP for that is an indicator of something seriously weird on your end.

Journeyman Geek

2:44 PM

@ShadowWizard my room mate is a dog ;p

Shadow Wizard

@Oded no way this can be spoofed?

@JourneymanGeek oh. I was starting to worry..... :P

Oded

@JasonC someone did that, an hour and a half earlier to what your logs say.

Journeyman Geek

photos.google.com/photo/… this is not a face that wears pants

Jason C

@Oded Yup. That's the big mystery here.

Shadow Wizard

> 404. That’s an error.

> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

:(

Journeyman Geek

2:45 PM

erf

Shadow Wizard

Private pic?

Upload to SE.

Journeyman Geek

goo.gl/photos/6T1JV49AM33Cit6F7

try that

Shadow Wizard

yay! Nice dog. :D

Jason C

Oh jesus christ.

Mithrandir

0

A: I seem to be sharing a login with somebody else on at least one site

Here's a list of things I checked. Maybe someone can find something with it. IPs Your Ip Your IP has not changed on Literature since you registered the account, and there have been no other IPs that used your account. I had a Stack Overflow moderator check the IP info for your account - yo...

Jason C

2:47 PM

I'm such an idiot.

Mithrandir

?

Shadow Wizard

Your real name is there @JourneymanGeek - if you don't want it to be forever accessible, delete the message. :)

Jason C

@Oded Stop what you're doing for one second. I totally made that upvote. I remember doing it now. Everything else weird about the account holds. But wait.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard my real name's public in a few places so meh

Oded

Hah.

Jason C

2:48 PM

@Mithrandir Yeah no I did do that. Through Firefox after seeing it in chat. And total lack of sleep last night erased it from my memory.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh, lol

Oded

In regards to the profile strangeness - probably something transient where the profile data didn't copy to the profile on literature.

Shadow Wizard

Everything else is only the wrong name and avatar, right? @Jason

@Adam said he's looking into it again, though it was few weeks ago.

Anonymous

:P

Oded

Adam is out this week, so...

Shadow Wizard

2:50 PM

Hey, keep that tongue inside, @Jeremy! :D

Jason C

@Mithrandir @Oded The only thing weird about it is the avatar, user display name, and blank private info. I've reverted that post back to my original report without mentioning the "mystery" upvote. Super sorry about any time you wasted digging into the upvote thing.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded oh no...

Oded

@JasonC no worries. Glad to hear it isn't us... cause that would be a real worry.

Jason C

It's when Mithrandir mentioned it was a person claiming to be a professional author. Then the memory came back.

Shadow Wizard

lol

Jason C

2:52 PM

Yeah so, about this:

4 hours ago, by Jason C

And also it's 7:30 AM and I haven't slept yet. So my brain is just thinking of random weird crap.

It's bed time. I'll be back later. Thanks all. Peace.

Oded

Like I said - the issue where things didn't copy over? That might be due to you having some custom profiles (that are different from what you have everywhere else). But... not digging into that right now :)

Fawad

@JasonC you use online money (say pay pal) so someone should hack? If someone hack your account then what would be possible reason for it?

Shadow Wizard

I sometimes upvote something by mistake with my sock, then I must remember not to upvote it with my main account as well. :/

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I mainly use my sock to troll people who use kali and downvote answers ;p

Shadow Wizard

Naughty sock!

Fawad

2:55 PM

Don't worry,I respect programmers and their choice.

Mithrandir

Well, the good thing is, I got practice with the mod tools ;P

Journeyman Geek

superuser.com/users/264220/aibobot?tab=profile

Fawad

Hi @Stijn ,long time no see

Journeyman Geek

quite literally everyone knows about it, and it was handy at my last job, where I did not want to log into a potentially compromised PC with a mod account ;p

Stijn

@Fawad sup

I'm here most days :p

lurking

Shadow Wizard

2:57 PM

@JourneymanGeek lol... just careful not to vote twice.... ;)

Mithrandir

Your sock posted an answer with 250 upvotes. Cool...

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek good call!

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir I posted two lines for a question I saw on my phone, and went home to see it hit HNQ

That's my second most upvoted post network wide and most upvoted post on SU ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek must have been a good feeling.... :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard more like "What the hell? THIS IS CRAPPY!!! AND THIS IS A LOW REP SOCK..."

and went and edited in an image

Shadow Wizard

3:00 PM

lol

Similar thing happened to me here, minus the sock - didn't expect so many upvotes. But the question became HNQ and votes just rushed in. lol

Journeyman Geek

Oh I've had that happen a few times

Fawad

@ShadowWizard one thing you can do is,add comment saying: don't vote,this account is sock.

But you were happy with votes I guess

Mithrandir

If we're doing our HNQ success stories, mine is only at 71.

Fawad

Or ask for any mod to lock post

Shadow Wizard

@Fawad hehe, well my case wasn't a sock, but such comment won't be a good idea. :)

Fawad

3:05 PM

Mine is 20

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir longer than both mine and @JourneymanGeek's sock answers.... ;)

Fawad

@ShadowWizard more work but less votes :O

Shadow Wizard

yup

So unfair

Mithrandir

Eh. It's the top answer on the site ;)

Shadow Wizard

lol

Fawad

3:08 PM

:5871253 how to report to smoke detector?

Mithrandir

!!/report <url>

But if you don't have privileges it won't work.

Fawad

!!/report <https://literature.stackexchange.com/questions/1489/how-do-we-know-humpty-dumpt‌y-was-an-egg>

SmokeDetector

@Fawad You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

Fawad

He talks so much^ =_=

Shadow Wizard

@Fawad why you want to report that question?? It's totally legit.

Mithrandir

3:10 PM

Without the <>s. Also, not a good idea to fool around with reports - it blacklists the user when you report.

Shadow Wizard

Don't abuse Smoke Detector, it's not a game or fun bot!

(so IMO you should not get privileges.)

@SmokeDetector gone

Fawad

IMO-means? ~~international mathematical Olympiad~~

In My Opinion

@Fawad In My Opinion

ninja'd

3:13 PM

:(

I replied you didn't ;)

Anyway, think manually reported posts always end up here, even if already deleted.

Is this correct? @angussidney @hichris123

Fawad

1) am I in blacklist 2) do I need to worry?

Shadow Wizard

@Fawad 1) No. 2) No.

Mithrandir

@Fawad 1.) Probably not. 2.) Only if you abuse the bot.

!!/isblu meta.stackexchange.com/users/340369/fawad

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir User is not blacklisted (340369 on meta.stackexchange.com).

Mithrandir

So nope, you're not blacklisted, as expected.

Shadow Wizard

3:14 PM

@Mithrandir well, worst case he just won't get privileges, he can't do any harm except flood the Tavern. In which case, RO can kick.

Fawad

:)

RO-means? ~~reverse osmosis~~

Shadow Wizard

@Fawad Room Owner

Mithrandir

Rotten Onions

Shadow Wizard

:D

CNC question plz close and delete @rene @Bart

Mithrandir

Downvoted and flagged, as no 3k yet :(

Shadow Wizard

3:19 PM

@Mithrandir thanks, that will do too. :)

One more close vote needed, then I can vote to delete.

Mithrandir

WTH? Someone upvoted?

Fawad

@ShadowWizard how about migrating question?

Mithrandir

@Fawad Rule 1.) of migrating: Don't migrate crap.

Fawad

At least adding comment to ask on suitable site?

He may don't know on which site to ask

user315433

When m0sa wrote that he needs a bosse, did he mean "an African tree (Guarea cedrata) having glabrous oblong pointed leaflets and small blue flowers"? I imagine that is hard to get, which is probably why the crowdcrafting thing went essentially unused.

Fawad

3:31 PM

Who ever is using community account,nice speed!

ɥʇǝS

@Fawad wat

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir facepalm

@Fawad what @Mithrandir said. :)

rene

@ShadowWizard needs one more delete vote. Maybe @Bart is around? If not then lurking ...

Shadow Wizard

@NormalHuman I think he meant boose. Not sure enough to edit. :)

@rene how rude of Bart, not to be here when we need him! :D

@Fawad what are you talking about?

Bart

@Fawad it's a bot.

Shadow Wizard

3:44 PM

@Bart not even a bot, technically. ;)

Bart

True, but close enough for these purposes

Shadow Wizard

@Community alive?

:/

You keep leaving and coming back @Mithrandir why not just leave a tab open? :)

Mithrandir

I did...

I was just out.

Like, out of the house.

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir so you turn off the computer when leaving the house?

Mithrandir

No, just close all the tabs...

Shadow Wizard

3:48 PM

oh. Good!

Anyway, I'm under attack by air force!

:P

Mithrandir

Eh, those are all over my house...

Shadow Wizard

(it's bigger than it looks like in the picture. Really big.)

@Mithrandir oh my... thought they're only drawn to open water sources?

Mithrandir

They bob around, get killed, respawn...

Shadow Wizard

respawn, lol... sounds horrible. :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

seen those too

Aaron Hall

4:14 PM

:)

SmokeDetector

5:43 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Donald Grump code not working by potatoes on codereview.SE

πάντα ῥεῖ

sd vlq

Jason C

@ShadowWizard So you know how I always complain that everybody I work with is sucks at their jobs?

"You're going to want to bring a qualified C++ programmer on board." "Ok, got one. Check." Then I receive this email:

Hi Jason,

I'm working on checking out your proof of concept, but it's not wanting to compile. The errors make me think that I'm missing something very straight forward, like a library that would need to be included, or something. Both errors are on the same line, and you can see the error descriptions in the screenshot. Any insights you might be able to provide would be appreciated!

With attached screenshot:

facepalm

I should tell him to go ask on SO then sit back and watch him get torn to shreds.

The next email (not worth pasting) he sent was just as trivial.

user315433

6:04 PM

I would complain about the formula with something / 4.0 * 2.0 * 3.14

user315433

It looks like someone forgot parentheses, because too many people do.

Jason C

No

It's undeclared identifier: sin

It's just missing a #include <cmath>. Windows -> Mac header difference. Mistake on my part, but should've been solvable ... instantly.

I forgot to tell him to add using std::sin; in my reply. I expect that one in the next email.

user315433

I understand what compiler complains about; my point is, people could also be unhappy about the way the formula is written.

Jason C

I'm equally unhappy about the way the formula is written. But it's not a compiler error, it's just ugly.

user315433

when I see a student writing x/2*y it's a 50-50 guess what they really meant.

Jason C

6:11 PM

Point being this guy is a "qualified C++ programmer". And he's asking me questions about C++ standard library includes, and seems to have zero deductive reasoning and/or google skills. And the entire point of bringing him on was to offload a project that I don't have time for. This is going to be a long project.

user315433

Yeah, that's sad.

Jason C

And about the types of errors you'd totally expect to see when compiling a hastily built project originally compiled on Windows on a Mac.

Shog9

I feel for you. You thought you were gonna have help; you'll be lucky to get half as much done as you did alone.

Jason C

Evidence is lending support to "I'm the only C++ programmer in Brooklyn". :/

Shog9

Something I've done before: require all questions to be answered on the phone, while screensharing. You just break their questions down into smaller questions, asked back to them, that force them to research the answer.

Yeah, it's a huge time-suck for a few days... But then you magically get a lot fewer questions.

user315433

6:16 PM

s/phone/hangout/ ?

Shog9

hangouts would work pretty well

Jason C

That's not a bad idea at all. On one hand I don't want to be a programming tutor, but on the other hand it's inevitable here and that'd improve his skills in the long run. I think I'll do that.

Shog9

think of it like pair programming, except without the temptation to just push the newb out of the way and do it for them.

Jason C

Yeah totally.

Sweet. Now I'm kinda looking forward to his next question to test this out.

Shog9

Now just hope there isn't a language barrier

bjb568

6:19 PM

Polls in English class.

ɥʇǝS

@NormalHuman why? That's pretty basic order of operations..

Jason C

@Shog9 Heh. His name is "Ben Johnson" and his Google avatar shows a white guy with square hipster glasses holding a latte. I think I'm safe.

I'm sorry, that was prejudice. It might not be a latte.

Shog9

24 hours later, Ben knows little more C++ while Jason has learned the traits of 23 previously-unknown strains of kale

Jason C

:'(

user315433

@ɥʇǝS There's a 50% chance they are thinking of a fraction with x in the numerator and 2*y in the denominator. Can't do horizontal division line in code, but / is there, so...

Jason C

6:23 PM

He replied: "That seems to have resolved the crashes. Thanks!" -- "crashes"...

user315433

Crashes, but not burns.

ɥʇǝS

@NormalHuman I.. guess that makes sense? I dunno it just seems so basic.

I admit to having done it before but one run of my code/equation/whatever and I realized my mistake.

user315433

@bjb568 The real question is, is there a correlation between duck/horses and tab/spaces preferences.

Shog9

tabs are just duck-typed spaces

Jason C

> My compiler crashed with the error "undeclared identifier: x". Plz help.

@bjb568 The real question is whether the multiple choice list on that paper is indented with tabs or spaces.

How aggressive are duck-sized horses?

user315433

6:31 PM

user315433

Horses are loo large here.

Jason C

Lol

bjb568

@JasonC it's on the whiteboard

Jason C

Oh sorry I thought it was written on paper. I guess tabs vs spaces makes no sense on a whiteboard. Derp.

user315433

Unless it's a smart whiteboard, maybe. The sort that tracks your stylus thing (or a finger) and changes the projected image accordingly... Never used one. Does your school have those, @bjb568?

bjb568

6:44 PM

Lol, no. They'd use blackboard if given the chance. When they update technology it's always a downgrade.

ɥʇǝS

Why are we using Windows 8 when Windows 98 is out? We're so behind!

Shog9

Windows 11 should resolve this confusion by adopting the name, The New Windows.

bjb568

The New Windows, The Newer Windows, The Newest Windows, ???, profit.

ɥʇǝS

Be sure to alternate removing and adding the start menu for best profits.

rene

What did Windows NT stand for?

Braiam

6:54 PM

New Technology?

ɥʇǝS

that ^

But I guess that question was rhetorical

rene

So if it was New back then, what are we talking about The New Windows?

Braiam

New New Windows™*

rene

@ɥʇǝS ;P

Can someone advice what the best response, if any, would be on this‌? I know I'm to blame to answer something that should maybe have been left unanswered.

Shog9

@rene "everyone hates cPanel and you've inadvertently ripped the scabs off of old wounds that are now draining pus and blood and bad memories"

Jason C

7:08 PM

TIL PICNIC

rene

@Shog9 that will do, thanks ...

user315433

7:24 PM

@rene I wonder if DevOps would be the site for that? No extant questions of this kind, but my general impression of that site was "how to admin something without a license".

rene

hmm, let me check that

@NormalHuman I'm not sure if it will fly there. There is not enough Dev in that question and the answer to achieve what the OP needs is not enough Ops.

I think if that question gets framed to be about a rewrite rule in .htaccess it might fly on SU. But the OP needs to re-work their question to include what they tried or even if that could work for them.

rene

7:49 PM

Is there an A/B test going on for the top-bar? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/345742/…

user315433

The user has 492 rep, perhaps dropped under 500 and lost access to review.

user315433

But I don't know if the review icon is there for 500+ rep users or 100+ rep users; I have replaced all SE navigation long ago, and never used the new bar.

rene

@NormalHuman as always, you're right.

Jason C

8:41 PM

That error from earlier is kinda funny. When did GCC start trying to be so helpful?

It found an undeclared identifier, tried to find a close match, and then amusingly proceeded to generate a compiler error for its hypothesized match.

It's channeling Clippy.

Paul Crovella

9:17 PM

what to do about a huge number of odd/abusive edits? stackoverflow.com/users/7275984/… they've been throwing a ton of soft hyphens in a bunch of posts over the last couple hours. I flagged one question for a mod, but is it worth going through and rolling each back manually?

rene

9:34 PM

@PaulCrovella I see @bluefeet already dupe voted the other post on MSO so I assume they are on it.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC well... eh... blush... must admit, can't see the problem either (looks like he was right, some math library is missing for sin function). But for my defence, I'm not C++ programmer. o_o

rene

@PaulCrovella let's wait what the proposed action is. I think in these cases devs fiddle with the database

Shadow Wizard

@PaulCrovella yeah, flag is correct action, such a user should be suspended for abusing their power.

Jason C

@ShadowWizard Consider it to be the C++ equivalent of your new "experienced JavaScript programmer" sending you an email asking how to fix Uncaught ReferenceError: jQuery is undefined.

Paul Crovella

okay, thanks all

Shadow Wizard

9:40 PM

@JasonC so he just failed to include some trivial library?

Jason C

Ish.

Shadow Wizard

But isn't it part of the project anyway?

Jason C

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Shadow Wizard