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6:01 AM
@Marti I don't see a community ads post on English's Meta, at least.
There's one on Apple (which has zero ads at the moment...), but it doesn't have enough up votes to be shown.
 
@giddy noice you play a lot of instruments :). I got two guitars too, from ochanomizu, tokyo and nakwon,seoul.
 
wow. Nope I'm not some expert, I just like learning things, but I end up meandering about and not completing stuff.
 
Jin
@TimStone yes Gordon?
 
@Jin Heheh, on the Apple site, the h2.bottom-notice has some stray arrows that are next to the ( i ) bubble in the sprite :)
 
Jin
@TimStone i know. it's been fixed on dev already.
i messed up on the last sprites update.
 
6:04 AM
Ah, you're too quick for me! ;)
 
Jin
@TimStone jeff sends me hate emails whenever there's a css bug.
 
Doh, first post on Apple's meta too.
sacrifices some bacon to Jin in repentance
 
hey @jin are you ever going to give SO a makeover?
 
@Jin Hahah
 
Jin
:579838 Apple site's css has been the most difficult one to do. it's like 3 sites combined..
hmm i keep getting chat msg failures
 
6:06 AM
Yeah, I had the same issue, then it caused me to double-post.
 
Jin
@giddy eventually. but it won't be a makeover. minor re-alignment.
 
@Jin Yeah, I bet. It's quite pretty though, turned out quite well.
 
Jin
@TimStone to be honest i'm having a better time converting this Android site than apple site.
@TimStone at the end I hated the Apple site. I made my life very very difficult. it still haunts me till this day...
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@Jin Ah yeah, I can't wait to see that one finished. Even Yi Jiang didn't have any big complaints! ;)
 
Hmm, Apple site looks nice, but it, too is missing the chat box from the sidebar.
 
Jin
6:09 AM
@Marti hm weird. it is on the question page's sidebar?
 
There really wasn't ever a chat ad on Stack Overflow by the way, I swear :P
 
The ad zones are being worked on I believe.
 
@Jin just IMO the other SE sites look amazing compared to SO, cooking, apple, gamedev BEST of all programmers, especially the badges.
 
:o
 
@Jin It affects both the main page and the Questions page.
@RebeccaChernoff What does "ad zones" mean?
 
Jin
6:11 AM
@giddy it's difficult to restyle SO. but to be honest, its design works for the target audience.
@giddy I don't try to make a design look pretty, I try to make a design appropriate to the audience. SO's spartan design works very well for programmers.
 
ah ok.
lol Spartan!?
 
Jin
@giddy well, bare 'n minimalist. :)
 
@Marti the areas where ads are shown.
 
@jin ah ok was imagining scenes from 300 with little spear and shield buttons
 
@RebeccaChernoff So did someone accidentally hit 'delete' on the chat div in the process?
 
6:15 AM
@Jin I demand more CSS transforms!
 
Jin
@TimStone i wanted to use keyframe animation, but LESS doesn't allow the synatx :( I hope they fix it soon.
 
Does using LESS make things dramatically easier? I've always wanted to try to incorporate it into our projects, but I've never taken the time.
 
Jin
@TimStone it does. i love it.
 
Hmm, I'll have to look into using it then. Maybe my designers will thank me. :P
So uh..All of the question links on Meta's front page have apparently turned into links to question 0? :P
To the WOB!
 
yes we know ... fixing
 
6:27 AM
@waffles I figured you did. :) Hooray!
 
sorry about it
may take a few mins for the cache to expire though
 
Well, I'm sure that my random browsing being interrupted is an inexcusable inconvenience, but I guess I can forgive you ;)
Hmm, I want to be writing code...now to figure out what that code should be.
I've also managed to make a super obscure case of "Works on my machine", gah..
 
@TimStone your random browsing can continue -- it's just the home page, not /questions
ahh no, the home page is back to good now as well
 
Awesome, though hopefully I can keep myself from idle distractions for a bit longer anyway, heheh.
 
Jin
6:58 AM
whoa i just reduced the sprite.png by 7200 pixels.
 
:o
 
Jin
but now i just have to redo ALL the sprite related CSS...
sigh
 
Oh, that's a bit less exciting, heh :P
 
Jin
i've been wanting to redo the SE's sprite.png for a while. it was ugly before. a lot of wasted space..
 
Plus an extra arrow or two here and there yeah?
 
Jin
7:05 AM
@TimStone yeah there were some icons that are no longer needed.
that's for english site. pretty much the same for most SE2.0 sites
^ new one
 
Much more compact, nice
 
Jin
it was efficient before we added the stackexchange banner in it. it used to be one skinny strip, which wasn't bad.
 
What was the reason for including the text in the SE multicollider banner image, it just rendered more nicely that way?
 
Jin
@TimStone because the logo type is set in DIN Pro, not a standard font.
 
@Jin Ahh, alright.
 
7:09 AM
We rendered it both ways, printed out screenshots, put them in opposite corners of a room, put a puppy in the middle and let the puppy run to one of the pictures on the floor.
 
Jin
@TimStone i love these names you guys come up with. what's the fancy name for the profile popup?
 
OK, so if something "works on my machine", where "machine" is three different computers, can I assume that the problem isn't my fault?
@Jin I think that the best we've done is MicroDashboard, but the Official Namer badp wasn't entirely happy with it
@RebeccaChernoff It's hard to argue with a puppy
 
indeed.
 
7:25 AM
@TimStone Now that they made it bigger, can we call it the CentiDashboard?
 
Hahah, perhaps.
StadiumDisplay Rep'o-matic
 
It isn't bigger than the last iteration by a factor of 4, though
Anyway, Garden now has a Chinese translation! \o/
 
\o/
 
There are a few issues I need to address though
The Chinese translation feels a little inconsistent, I'll see if I can comment / edit some of it before merging
I also need to adjust the styles for the Chinese version, hmmm... I wonder if I can get this automated
 
pulls out hair Argh
 
7:52 AM
Awww man, some of the transliterated Chinese programming terms really make me laugh
 
8:13 AM
@TimStone Son of a...It was my fault.
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A: Is the "Case of the Mondays?" ad gone for good?

Jeff AtwoodGosh, I'm glad you mentioned this, because that reminds me! I was thinking we should bring this ad back.. for old times' sake.. I'll get that implemented now!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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8:37 AM
@TimStone goes to remove SO's Adblock whitelist entry
 
Hahah
 
9:30 AM
People, when annoying stuff vanishes from Stack Overflow, please do not remind Jeff Atwood that 1 - It's gone and 2 - How annoying it was.
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@TimPost +1 star for that, and ooo... +1 for that comment :P
 
Jin
@TimPost jeff doesn't forget
 
Jeff doesn't forgive
 
The M in Meta stands for masochism.
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f*ck yea
 
Jin
9:38 AM
@TimPost I thought it's for massacre .
 
ROFL
A masterfully brilliant act of Wikipedia vandalism got lost in translation: http://t.co/mObWvtY (via @DrPizza)
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@Jin It used to. That is, before the days of a kinder, gentler meta.
 
@badpssockpuppet That is... brilliant
 
@badpssockpuppet - priceless!
 
Jin
9:43 AM
@RebeccaChernoff why are you still up? don't you ever sleep?
 
you do realize that any time you ask me that, it is always an hour later for you...right? (:
 
Jin
@RebeccaChernoff but I'm Batman.
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@RebeccaChernoff OVER 9000??
 
@LoïcWolff no ):
 
Jin
i'm so excited about this SE site design
 
9:45 AM
@Jin I'd ask what that makes me, but I'm probably too scared for the answer.
 
@RebeccaChernoff checks clock, looks very cross It's 4am, 6 hours past bedtime, young lady. You're very naughty!
 
See? It actually was "optimization!"
++++++++++
[>++++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++>++++++++++>+++<<<<<-] The initial loop to set up useful values in the array
>+.                             Print 'H'
>+.                             Print 'e'
<----.                          Print 'l'
>>-.                            Print 'l'
<+++.                           Print 'o'
>>+.                            Print ' '
>++.                            Print 'W'
<----.                          Print 'o'
>.                              Print 'r'
<++.                            Print 'l'
 
@YiJiang heh, it may or may not be closed to 5am
 
Jin
@RebeccaChernoff you're harley quinn
 
@YiJiang No. @RebeccaChernoff merely had enough coffee to do away with silly stuff like sleep.
 
9:48 AM
@badpssockpuppet absolutely not.
 
-1 not enough coffee
 
@badpssockpuppet I'll go make the Wheel of Bedtime for those of us who can't decide when to sleep
 
@YiJiang You're not the right person to suggest when to sleep
You'd suggest silly values like "10pm"
Absolutely unacceptable!
 
@badpssockpuppet I'm pretty sure you meant +1 no coffee
 
@badpssockpuppet I was thinking more of values like 'In the middle of a meeting' or 'When making coffee', or 'Whilst walking down the stairs'
@RebeccaChernoff flagged as offensive for suggesting that no coffee is a good thing
 
9:52 AM
How about implementing that gmail feature here. Based on your IP get the timezone and show a tiny icon here indicating this person should be tucked in ?
 
No coffee is a fabulous thing.
 
I don't think I could work without a hot drink next to me. But, I'm resigned to admit that I've joined the ranks of 30 something year old Sanka drinkers
What the ... not one meet up community in Iceland! How is this possible??
 
@TimPost Iceland's population is tiny
 
10:08 AM
Ok, I hereby declare @Jin ruler of the dawn. Night folks. (:
 
@RebeccaChernoff Old granny voice You've been very naughty staying up this late!
 
Ruler of dawn ? Batman is more of a night person o______o
 
@RebeccaChernoff wags fingers, looks disapprovingly
 
Wow, I thought the great moderator turkey shoot would have dwindled by now. Hard to imagine that there was so much cruft.
 
10:17 AM
@TimPost How many flags, say, per hour?
 
@YiJiang It's not a really consistent average. But the waves tend to come in at about 100 at a time, give or take
 
@TimPost The moment you say that I think of tower defense
 
Yesterday I cleared out the queue completely, I came back an hour later and we were back at 215+
 
 
1 hour later…
11:38 AM
Does anybody else find talking of SE as a "Q&A script" kinda insulting?
 
@badpssockpuppet more incorrect than insulting
 
Why choose when it can be both
 
@badpssockpuppet because I happen to dislike feeling insulted?
:)
 
@badpssockpuppet Well, you do know that the entire site is actually built around a single $.ask(jonSkeet, question) call?
 
 
2 hours later…
1:23 PM
Hey all... How is everyone doing?
I'm sure you were all terribly concerned about be, given that I dropped off the face of the planet recently ;-)
 
glares at "not-to-be-named British person"
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A: Flag weight 750 reached?

marcogI also just reached a flag weight of 750 today. I am not so sure the claim that the formula is asymptotic is accurate. I played around and deduced the formula to be: f(n+1) = f(n) + (usual score) * (10-(f(n)-500)*0.008) Starting with f(n) = 749, the following few flag weights will be: 749.101...

 
1:52 PM
@TheOutOfStarsException We were about to send out search parties, yes :P
yawns Definitely one of those days I wish my meeting was pushed back, argh.
 
@TimStone Wonders how many times you've complained about either your being pushed back or not here
 
@YiJiang Far too many :P
 
Due to my fellow moderators suggesting good drug rehabilitation clinics, I have replaced my 'cross eyed' gravatar.
 
Definitely require professional handling
 
@TimPost Bah, they're all crazy!
 
1:59 PM
@TimStone Otherwise, how would they know about so many great rehab clinics? :P
 
Exactly. ;)
 
2:31 PM
There really are some oddities with the Chinese translation
He might have used an automated translator for at least some part of it
For instance, 'brute force' got translated to 'violence'. Though that might be the technical term, I dunno...
 
Futura doesn't look especially futuristic.
 
Oh, apparently it is. Hmmmm, I really need to brush up on my Chinese technical vocabulary
Well, now you know - brute force solution = violent solution in Chinese
 
I'm quite glad the homepage my company had featuring badly photoshopped futura text got hacked.
 
Hahah
@YiJiang \o/
 
@TimStone And now, I shall demonstrate how to use violence to crack this password!
 
2:49 PM
@TimStone: and @mootinator:and @GeorgeMarian: Morning Mate
 
Good morrow.
Overmorrow and ereyesterday: I'm taking them back.
 
My goal this week was to install mono on a sandbox and start playing with C#, I didn't get to do either and it doesn't look like I will.
 
@TimPost I'm still working on a hack to add two extra days to the week so I have time for that kind of stuff.
 
@TimStone Let me see it when you have something, I'll send patches.
 
Deal!
 
3:03 PM
@TimPost: and @TheOutOfStarsException: T@TimStone: and @mootinator:and @GeorgeMarian: ibnlive.in.com/news/recharge-your-mobile-phone-in-seconds/… , A 3D Nano Structure is desinged for Recharging your mobile phone or laptops in seconds, see the above url
 
@SankarGanesh Now that is cool!
 
A battery which can *dis*charge in a few seconds sounds like it could become dangerous to carry around in one's pocket.
 
@mootinator only if you wear metallic underwear
 
@TimPost Hah :)
 
I'm using a Nokia E-5, I love it .. but heavy wi-fi usage kind of sucks the battery dry. Then I end up leaving to go somewhere and run out of battery midway through the day
 
3:13 PM
@YiJiang have you heard of this blogger from singapore
pretty amazing stuff
 
@Reno Just saw that link on reddit
Ah, yes. I have indeed
And no, not for the right reasons either
 
@YiJiang There's a right reason to read Reddit?
Wow, way too many R's in that
 
@TimPost No, I mean previously, why I have heard of her
 
Ah, sorry :)
 
$#@% my mouse stopped working, @Yi
and what reason was that ?
brb reboot
 
3:21 PM
Number of the day.... Number of the day....
 
That's it. Screw it. I'm never going to touch C again. I'm going to make a useless but hugely popular social networking site in PHP and never have to touch a mutex or futex again!
 
Nooo.
 
I'd go for Q&A, but the competition is really cranky.
 
:D
 
I am wayyyy too cranky to be a public figure, even in the 15ns of fame internet sense of the word.
 
3:30 PM
Ha.
So he admits it ;)
 
Jeff Atwood has never failed to admit that he's cranky.
I think I'm going to watch The Goonies tonight after I'm done with work
After that, Real Genius
 
3:58 PM
Anyone know a good site for finding dev training classes?
 
4:25 PM
In other news, for how long has Shog been a moderator?
(Because I only noticed now)
 
@badpssockpuppet I hadn't noticed that. So I'm guessing sometime in the last few hours.
 
Our comments, they're going to buuuurn!!
 
@badpssockpuppet Wait, what?
 
Did he get a job at SEIS?
 
4:27 PM
Mod on the entire trilogy... that smells of employment
@YiJiang GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!
 
Apparently he has been a mod for at least 2 hours :P
 
Everyone's cooler than I am, with their diamonds and such, no fair! :P
 
I don't even have any MSO tag badges! For shame.
 
4:34 PM
Hahahah, thanks ;)
 
By the power vested in me with Firebug, I give thee a diamond!
 
\o/
 
I could even write a userscript that gives you a diamond everywhere you go, interested? :P
 
Hah, I'm not sure it'd be a good idea for me to delude myself that much, but I appreciate the offer. :P
 
Actually, what is the correct way to use that sentence structure? With the power vested in me by Firebug, I grant thee a diamond?
 
4:40 PM
@YiJiang They should both be "by"
 
@TimStone not true, the initial with is acceptable as well.
 
Sure, I've just never heard it said that way.
 
I don't even have an anything tag badge, no fair.
 
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Q: Notification of Pending Tag Synonym suggestion

Lance RobertsHow about notifying qualifying users when a new Tag Synonym suggestion is proposed? It's hard to get enough people to vote on the tag synonyms, especially since they're well hidden. Maybe a button that shows up on their homepage/questions page that links to the suggested page when there is a ne...

I really don't understand why the Team doesn't want to emphasize Tag Synonyms more.
Less-than-popular tags have a crazy hard time getting votes for their synonyms.
 
4:56 PM
@LanceRoberts Yeah, the 5 vote limit seems to me at least to be overly restrictive; most of the time if I want to see an obvious synonym pushed through its easier to create a question on Meta or ask a mod here
 
I think part of the problem is that most people don't properly understand tag synonymns and would just make a mess of it, heh. :P
 
@TimStone While I agree, it kinda sounds like Security by Obscurity.
 
@TimStone Well, the limit does make it a lot harder for those who don't know what they're doing to do stupid stuff
I'd still want the ECMAScript -> JavaScript one broken though, sighs
 
@YiJiang Yeah, but if you had enough of those people...Maybe a notification for 10K users.
 
@TimStone Hmm, I wonder how the reply to you got messed up?
 
5:02 PM
Two Header 1s in the same image? Unacceptable!
 
@LanceRoberts You missed the last digit of the message?
 
@YiJiang Guess so, probably backspaced over it.
 
@TimStone And Hello would not have made a good top level header
Well, most of the time anyway
 
@YiJiang Ah, good catch :D
 
@TimStone I would think that the notification for the 2500's who can vote for it would be sufficient.
 
5:05 PM
@LanceRoberts There's the additional 5 tag score requirement
Which would complicate things, technically I suppose. Or maybe not, who knows
 
@LanceRoberts I'm not sure I trust all of those people to understand how the system is meant to work, heh.
 
@TimStone Well then the obvious question is why make that option available to them in the first place then?
 
Of course, if you can't even see the suggested edits queue until 10K, I'm going to assume that the likelihood of getting notifications for this is pretty slim.
 
@TimStone Well, then maybe 2500 is too low a limit to be able to do tag synonyms, and that should be upped, and then notify whoever is at that higher level.
 
@LanceRoberts Possibly, yeah.
@YiJiang Well, it's not about who I trust, but who they do, so it's possible that I'm wrong. :P
 
5:10 PM
Hi all, I'm looking for opinions from developers on doing a "Project In A Week" and if would work effectively, and what incentivisations to give: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/61572/18860
 
That reminds me I have to practice my Texas Hold'em so I can make @RebeccaChernoff a little poorer next month in Vegas...
 
'incentivisations'??????
 
@balpha You have a company trip to Vegas? :P
 
some of us are going to MIX
 
Ah ha, nifty
 
5:13 PM
@balpha Oooo... sighs
Well, at least Microsoft has been kind enough to make some (all?) of the videos available online, for free
 
@YiJiang so much for "What happens in Vegas..."
 
/me wants a briefcase full of pennies.
 
@YiJiang Ah good, we'll have some video blackmail of balpha doing a drunken dance on top of a table after Rebecca spikes his drink with a retaliatory shot following her epic loss at Texas Hold'em.
 
status-you-wish
 
I do, having an ace in the hole is always useful. I'm not sure what it'd be useful for in this case, but still.
 
5:23 PM
Argh
I'm Pekka's trolling account on the whole network now
 
Bwa ha ha.
 
Hahahah
 
The system counts a rejected rename attempt as an actual renaming and counts 30 days from that time on.
 
:o
 
@balpha oy!
 
5:25 PM
If I didn't know it would gain nothing but acidic comments from the team, I'd file it as a bug :)
 
@Pekkastrollingaccount It's safer to spin the Wheel of Blame and just shake your fist menacingly.
 
5 mins ago, by Tim Stone
@YiJiang Ah good, we'll have some video blackmail of balpha doing a drunken dance on top of a table after Rebecca spikes his drink with a retaliatory shot following her epic loss at Texas Hold'em.
hides
 
Or talk with @Zypher enough that he gets annoyed by the length of your name and changes it for you ;)
 
@TimStone hahaha! Good idea too
 
@YiJiang lmao
 
5:26 PM
@TimStone Why doesn't @Zypher have a tab key on his keyboard?
 
@YiJiang Maybe he's using Dvorak?
Maybe Dvorak has no tab key?
 
@YiJiang Like most sysadmins, he's pounded on the keyboard enough times that some keys have magically gone missing. His tab key happens to be one of those keys.
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@RebeccaChernoff Hey look, it does have the period, and it sure does have an 'o' and a 'y' too
 
5:27 PM
What a "useful" Q&A site.
 
@YiJiang Well, that, or an ellipsis macro :D
 
@balpha won't be able to read my poker face...he's going to be so confused expecting all my expressions to be upside down in real life...he'll have no clue what's going on.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
 
@TimStone How do you make an ellipsis macro without being able to type in periods into the macro code in the first place?
 
5:28 PM
@Shog9 sup Shog?
 
@Shog9 Ooooo... blue... stares
 
Just finished a marathon debugging session
 
@RebeccaChernoff you could use Rovio to take a peek into his cards
 
stack was getting trashed, could not figure out why
finally tracked it down to a rogue lib file
 
@Shog9 Did you keep at it until you were blue in the face?
 
5:29 PM
C++ is SO MUCH FUN
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@TimStone Apparently
Now I can EAT BREAKFAST!
In other news, Muahahahahahaha.
 
@YiJiang Magic.
 
Alright, I'm out for a bit, trip in to the old office. (; Behave while I'm gone!!
 
We'll try. Later!
 
@TimStone rchern magic
 
@RebeccaChernoff You know we don't know how to do that. But have fun! ;)
@YiJiang Naturally
 
5:32 PM
As a moderator, I hereby decree that Friday has come early.
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Crap, that didn't work.
 
@TimPost It will if you pin it
And anyway, its Friday for me now
 
@YiJiang It is for me too, unfortunately I'm still working
@RebeccaChernoff will shortly be sending party packs to everyone here via courrier.
(If I live past the next fifteen minutes, I'll place a lotto bet)
 
@TimPost She's out, party packs go go go!
 
The answer to all bug reports henceforth, until such time as something called "Monday" arrives shall be something along the lines of "Deadlock, working on a way to profile this so I can reproduce it"
 
I hope they ship to PO boxes.
 
5:43 PM
I just had an applicant with a Ph.D say "079 == 79" for a PHP job
Why, oh why, oh why do so many people have so much difficulty working with a numeric system where the radix is not ten?
That was supposed to be easy
 
@TimPost Its the same as what happens in JavaScript, no? Appending a 0 in front of the number makes it an base 8
 
Yes, @YiJiang so the '9' didn't clue someone in?
 
@TimPost Heh.
 
I hereby decree all tutorial sites that offer really BAD advice as illegal.
This is just getting crazy, out of 50, I like two
And that was just too easy to filter.
I'm starting to think that people memorize popular interview questions.
It's so obvious when you challenge them to explain it
 
@TimPost Naw, that's crazy talk. All the questions on SO are purely for entertainment purposes.
 
6:02 PM
@Shog9 I'm working on a MSO feature request that you'll probably love to hate, or hate to love
 
I do love to hate loving!
 
6:20 PM
So... anyone wanna take bets as to how long it takes for me to get banned in the blogospher for asking bloggers to look at Nippon?
@TimPost Nice new avatar.
 
I'm still confused that you're not banned in here yet
 
@Moshe they will think you mean the ongoing catastrophe, and applaud you for your compassion
"You! Yes, I mean you, sitting in front of your computer, in your house with electricitly and clean food and water. You should think about Nippon!"
They will only kick you out if you add "...and buy it now in the App store!"
;)
 
@Pekkastrollingaccount Hehe.
@Pekkastrollingaccount I didn't/
 
@badpssockpuppet - You speak italian right? I need some help here guiding an Italian poster on proper SO usage. He's added his answer as part of his question.
 
6:26 PM
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Q: Stack Exchange is immunodeficient

Tim PostIf you create a community with the idea that it will become a living, breathing entity - you need to give it an immune system to help fight off infection. Stack Exchange does a better job of this than most other Q&A platforms, but I see the following as areas that can be improved: Reject an...

 
6:40 PM
Treating colds with antibiotics isn't actually a good idea IRL...
 
@Shog9 My point exactly.
 
I don't follow then. What are you suggesting?
 
@Shog9 I'm suggesting that 2/3 of the stuff that we don't like can be rejected.
@Shog9 Prior to creating a problem.
 
6:56 PM
Mmm... So, face-masks and lots of hand-washing?
Really @Tim? You don't see a pop-up when flagging?
 

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