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It's like Descartes said: I've been to France, therefore I am. Souffle ergo sum.
 
 
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2:43 AM
I'm 99% certain that Descartes has never said that.
 
 
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Wes
1:23 PM
@radp Can't believe that I actually figured it out must be cause the text is so small in the window
 
2:23 PM
@26yearsofWelbog In college I took Philosophy, Latin, and French. So I know what I'm talking about.
 
In college I took economics, German, Spanish and Latin, so I know more interesting things.
 
@26yearsofWelbog Interesting things? At school? You heretic.
 
Wes
School doesn't suit everyone. I'd have liked to learn some Philosophy and Theology at school.
 
I'd have liked to learn human factors and psychology of human-computer interaction more than I already did.
 
Wes
So what makes you go to a technical site then. Seems more like arts / humanities you learn't
 
2:35 PM
Because my passion is computer science, and I draw on the arts and humanities for ideas and understanding of my users.
Or rather, I took German, Spanish and Latin for easy marks.
Gotta take some easy stuff to let you concentrate on the real stuff.
You must be new here.
 
Wes
@26yearsofWelbog yes but more specifically why?
 
Why what?
Why do I like Stack Overflow?
Why is the sky blue?
Why am I so awesome?
 
Wes
Sorry yes I'm new but what did I say that was so out of order that points me out as such? :P
 
You don't know who I am.
That makes you new.
 
Wes
Ah okay. No I don't know who anyone is. Though I have seen questions tagged jon skeet :P oh and jeff I recognise his avatar appart from that its all just general.
 
2:44 PM
You should work on that. Meta is serious business.
 
Wes
Are you A being serious, B what do you suggest I do?
 
I am always serious, especially when I am being facetious.
I suggest you figure out what to do on your own.
 
Wes
Okay well I'm hanging arround the Tavern a bit, but I'm not really sure why. I'll probably disappear in a couple of weeks. TBH oh and maybe reappear at intervals.
@26yearsofWelbog I get the feeling your playing with me.
 
Then you are more observant than most people.
 
Wes
hahaha - okay this is pointless. I wish you well whoever you are.
 
2:55 PM
@radp My college days involved making collages and playing video games for my grades. School is always about doing interesting things
 
See, now that's enough to make someone jealous.
But I know how to play video games without needing to go to school for it. :)
 
@26yearsofWelbog Would it help or hurt the case if I mentioned that Half Life was one of the required games?
 
I'm off to buy bread and get a hair cut if the hair cut place is open.
Half-Life is a required game in life in general.
It's like the best game of its time.
Anyway, I'm off.
On second thought, these 50km/h winds full of snow are going to keep me inside.
It is really really windy in Mississauga.
 
Wes
Dean pretty cool background image technique on your blog
 
That's what everybody tells me, Wes.
The question is can you figure out how it works on your own, or are you going to be dumb and ask someone how it works?
 
Wes
3:02 PM
Took me a little while to figure it out
Firebug helps
 
Good.
Finally, someone who is not a moron.
You know the best thing? Two different people independently came to my site, couldn't figure out the background thing and wrote to Doctype about it.
Doctype
 
Wes
Although I had to inspect more elements than I'm used to.
 
Of all places.
 
Wes
Not familiar with Doctype
 
Then I found all kinds of hits from Doctype in my referrer logs and figured out that they had been talking about my site.
Doctype is like the Stack Overflow for web layouts.
Or rather it was. I think there's an SE for that now.
 
Wes
3:04 PM
Also its not really an effective separation of presentation and content reminds me of tables.
:P
 
Well, there's really no other way to do it.
It's not my fault web tech is rife with limitations.
 
Wes
hahaha true. I'm beginning to wonder if someone could create a good looking layout with just standard markup. Do not send me to zen gardens as a response.
Reminds me of something I've seen on eric mayers site but I can't remember where I saw that.
 
So the haircutter place in the plaza across the street is closing permanently. That sucks.
I need to find the next closest one now.
 
@26yearsofWelbog Closest we have is the UI place. Not restricted to web, which is actually kinda cool
 
What a bunch of jerks.
 
3:09 PM
They had a question about machine layouts once for credit card swiping
 
SE is never cool, Okuu.
 
Wes
ooh I wonder if you could use client side XSLT to transform from a standard xhtml layout to an epic xhtml layout. No extra elements.
sorry this is a bad room for this conversation
 
This is a fine room for this conversation. Stop second guessing yourself.
The xhtml displayed by the client would still be weird.
But it would probably settle your mind on the separation of semantics and display.
OK there's a place in that mall that's open right now.
But I'd have to drive.
No, I am not driving in this sideways snow.
 
You already have snow?
 
My head is spinning. This is too much excitement for this room.
 
3:14 PM
This is the first real snow of the year. It's late by New Brunswick standards. Don't know about Ontario standards.
Snow would be fine if it weren't being blasted into my face at 50km/h.
 
Is that fast?
 
Sideways snow can be scary
 
I don't speak weird Canadian units.
 
Oh man, my city looks beautiful from up here when it's covered in snow.
50km/h is how fast a car moves when a car isn't moving very fast.
Like how fast you'd drive down a residential street.
 
20-30mph, Jon
 
Wes
3:16 PM
@JonB Huh?
 
Thanks, guys.
 
31 miles/h according to the Googles.
 
@Wes Indeed
 
Suffice it to say it's fucking fast.
 
@26yearsofWelbog Please clarify - it's moving very fast, or procreating at an alarming pace?
 
3:17 PM
Both.
 
So it's fucking fucking fast.
 
Wes
@26yearsofWelbog I'm nots sure appart from the link to the stylesheet. You can use first child etc etc. It should downgrade well too which is a plus.
 
I have no idea what statement you're replying to.
Oh, I see it.
 
You can click the arrow, too
 
3:19 PM
Why would I do that, Wes?
 
It navigates directly to the reply
 
Why would I go out of my way to change the way the site works so that the end user sees the exact same page, but spends more cycles displaying it?
Especially when I already have a perfectly good site?
 
Wes
Not saying you would.
You're site just set my brain spinning thats all.
Don't worry It will stop soon.
 
That's why I exist.
I am a brain spinner.
Okuu, have you even gotten around to playing Mystical Chain?
 
Not yet, actually. The jewel case is sitting in front of me, though
 
3:22 PM
You've got to play the second boss stage.
 
I've got to play all of the stages
 
Second boss stage is the best boss stage of all boss stages in the history of boss stages.
 
Wes
@GraceNote +1
 
@Wes Do you actually know what Mystical Chain is?
 
Plus I need someone to have played that, because I'm planning on doing something like that boss stage in one of my tabletop RPGs and I need opinions, damn it!
 
3:24 PM
Also, curses, wrong file
Ooh, I didn't know you too were a DM, Welbog
 
You should be reading my blog and knowing that I am, Okuu.
 
Dark Mage?
 
I sit here with Shadowrun fourth edition open in my lap.
 
Dickhead Moron?
Darth Maul?
 
Wes
@GraceNote Nope but if the jewel case is still sitting infront of you it was a very appropiate comment. I'm waaaaaaaaaaaay behind in games now. Also I can't find Disc 1 of FF8 for pc (shows you how behind I am)
 
3:25 PM
Ah, Shadowrun.
 
Wesley Crusher, it's unlikely that you will know of Mystical Chain.
 
I do 3.5E D&D for the most part. I have looked into various others. The wrong person introduced me to Shadowrun so I've yet to do the right research in it
 
It is what one calls a self-published game from Japan. A doujin game.
 
Wes
@26yearsofWelbog I already said I didn't
 
A doujin of a doujin! Oh, what wonders which worlds weave
 
3:27 PM
I'm just saying I don't blame you for not knowing.
I don't like D&D.
I like M&M and I think I like Shadowrun but I haven't started that game yet, which is why I'm reading the book now.
I'm hoping to start in a few weeks.
 
Wes
I don't understand how anyone ever has the time for D&D or other RPG's but then again I'm a parent
 
Ooh, I wish you good luck in that
 
I play my tabletop RPGs online!
 
@Wes Do you have any hobbies?
 
Then they aren't really tabletop, are they. Poser.
 
3:28 PM
I'm not meaning that in a mean way, by the way, an honest question here.
 
I use a virtual table!
 
So it's a game within a game.
 
At least that's how I run my M&M game.
 
Making time for P&P games and the like is not very different from finding the time to do many other things.
 
Because the players are distributed around the world.
My shadowrun game will operate in meatspace.
 
Wes
3:29 PM
@GraceNote Trying to get into photography. not seriously just for myself. flickr.com/photos/athas_orm
 
(too lazy to make sorry excuse for a joke about M&M's)
 
Okuu, is it wrong of me that I can see the rabbit in the moon now?
 
Depending on the pacing and availability of the other players, you can do things ranging from weekly games to bimonthly or even sparser
 
You're off to a good start, Wes.
 
Lunarian lagomorphs
 
Wes
3:30 PM
@JonB thanks but unfortuntly I don't get enough time. I tried to get 1 evening for two weeks now.
 
@26yearsofWelbog I don't see why it'd be wrong. I never saw the Man on the Moon. At least, not before we retconned it into Space Stalin.
 
Tell me more about Space Stalin.
 
@Wes - I had kinda given up on photography until I got a copy of Lightroom. Now I need a better camera.
 
In our first game development class, we are charged with making 4 games over the course of the semester.
Get a team, brainstorm ideas, and code it all out.
 
Wes
@GraceNote sounds cool. Did you see the site that the guy from world of goo used to work on.
 
3:32 PM
Our first game project was a vertical scrolling shooter. As much as I knew the math to make awesome curtain fire, we didn't exercise it. But we did make Apollo 13: The Reckoning.
@Wes No, I did not.
 
That sounds awesome.
 
The story goes that you are flying the Apollo 13 mission, which didn't fail, and learn of the Space MIGs and Space Zeppelins of Communist Russia are beating us in the space race. The final stage reveals that the man on the moon is none other than Space Stalin (who is Stalin wearing a diving helmet)
 
Hahah oh man
 
Space Stalin eventually became our in-joke that we incorporated into every game (much to the dismay of our teacher)
 
3:35 PM
So our second project (Platform game where you must be able to manipulate gravity in some fashion) is the prequel, telling the story of Space Stalin (who cannot jump, only flip-kick) and the first journey to the moon to liberate it from the capitalist pig king and destroy the moon cheese factory.
@Wes Interesting, it's like a perpetual game jam
 
Wes
I thought it was intresting
 
Third project was to make a simple driving game with at least one track, in 3D. It almost seemed innocent, except for the "Space Stalin for '09!" bumper sticker on our inexplicably pipe-and-steam-run car.
Final project was to make a multiplayer party game. We combined two jokes there to create MarkMail, the game where the objective is to fill our prestigious teacher's inbox with as much junk mail as you can. Naturally, Space Stalin returned as one of the playable characters.
 
(MarkMail itself originated as a secret function we wrote for Apollo 13: The Reckoning that could send an email any time the game was beaten, addressed as coming from Space Stalin)
 
I've got to go do some work. Maybe later I'll be playing the M&M game, too.
 
3:42 PM
That is not M&M the RPG.
 
I'm the red one. You can be yellow or blue. Grace can be green.
 
Why can't I be the orange one?
 
I was saving that for Wes. You two can work it out.
 
Wes
I didn't think there were blue M&M's
 
You can clearly see that there are.
 
3:44 PM
Wes, I'm the orange one.
 
Then Wes should be blue. I think Yellow kinda looks like Atwood.
 
Wes
Okay does this mean I need to go out and buy a game for the Wii or do I just come over. It may be a loooooooooong walk
 
Come on over. But bring a Wii. Because I don't have one.
 
Neither do I.
 
Wes
I'm pretty sure your probably in a different continent to me Jon. You make the popcorn
 
3:46 PM
I have an Xbox 360 in the closet, though.
 
We'll have to make a tabletop version, then.
Perhaps. So don't walk then. That would be silly.
 
Wes
Trust me to make the conversation silly :P
 
Later, all
 
Wes
cya
 
This edition of Shadowrun has people who can connect to the net without implants.
They just log on with their meat brains.
That's crazy. I might have to remove that.
I'm already removing magic from it because magic is dumb.
 
3:51 PM
I'm traditionally not too much a fan of futuristic settings. I really like the weapons technology, but the inevitable space race always puts me off.
 
Futuristic settings are the best, mang.
They have computer networks and conspiracies and people living on Mars.
 
I don't actually care much for any of those. It's all about cool machines, artillery, and girls with verniers.
 
What is it with you and verniers?
 
I like battleships, too.
 
You have a large-scale engineering fetish.
 
3:54 PM
As in, the seafaring kind. Space battleship kind usually ends up in the vernier territory anyway.
I might find it difficult to deny that.
Though it's not really fetishism as it is just a strong appreciation, aye.
 
It's not like I've ever bought a game and decided it was worth the purchase just because it turns out one of the girls was also a battleship!
 
In reality, it was worth the purchase for Mue. The battleship was more of an added bonus.
 
You're a strange one sometimes, Okuu.
 
3:57 PM
Unless you count Gadget Trial. But I got that one more for the self-propelled artillery.
 
Someone should buy you a tank.
 
It'd better be a long-range artillery type. Those are my favourite~
Ideally gun artillery. Rocket artillery is very effective, but doesn't look as sleek.
 
Because of the level of calculation involved in firing it accurately?
 
Aye. It's a very mathematical weapon. Focus less on the plowing through enemies and more on the calculated devastation
Plus, it's a very team-based armament.
 
So really you have a distributed analysis fetish.
 
4:02 PM
Not so much that. Artillery has a strong elegance to it, but I'm mostly a fan of the explosions.
 
There you go. Explosions are kickass.
Now you're talkin' my language.
 
It's all about the firepower
 
I am going to have fun with shadowrun's personas.
 
I suppose I should install Mystical Chain now and give Stage 2 a shot. I'll enjoy the opportunity to assist in critiquing a campaign~
 
Oh man
STAGE TWO IS THE BEST
 
4:07 PM
First, though, I need a keyboard
 
How are you typing without one?
 
Witchcraft
 
Or, more accurately, the laptop keyboard has issues with multiple key presses which a USB Keyboard doesn't have.
 
Ah.
I liked using a gamepad when I play MC.
It was nice for doing combos.
 
4:08 PM
I don't have a good gamepad yet
That sounds ironic for a gamer, but in reality I've just adapted really well to playing on a keyboard.
I blame Touhou for that, mostly
 
That is reasonable. Touhou will do that to you.
 
...you know what I dislike? Those games which people make in which ESC completely quits the game
Without warning
 
MC does that?
 
4:30 PM
You know what I hate? Those games which people make in which you wait one minute for matchmaking and then the game fails to start for no apparent reason.
I also hate games which robots make. They tend to be repetitive.
 
5:29 PM
@26yearsofWelbog Aye, it does. Made it to the Scarlets.
Unfortunately, I really wished I had learned half the mechanics before Stage 4, but that's a story for another time. So, in any case, I've refreshed myself of the battle between Kaguya and Mokou.
 
BEST BOSS FIGHT EVER
They're fighting each other and you're just along for the ride.
I thought that was the best idea ever when I first saw it.
 
It really is pretty well done.
 
Makes for a really neat type of boss fight. And I'm planning on using the idea for my M&M campaign.
 
5:47 PM
So what do you think of that stage? So awesome, right?
 
Wes
6:26 PM
Why when I enter a room does the conversation die?
 
@Wes This room only has sporadic bursts of activity.
 
Wes
yeah I know that. Though its a hell of a lot busier then the tavern today
 
@Wes To the wheel of blame!
 
Wes
:)
 
The difference is I'm here.
Man it's 13:37 and I still haven't eaten breakfast.
I need to start making supper already.
 
6:38 PM
@26yearsofWelbog 60% of the internet would have giggled while writing that.
That makes you either (feel like you're) superior, or ignorant.
 
Wes
@radp #Me?
 
@Wes um, no.
 
6:55 PM
@26yearsofWelbog I'm picking up subs for lunch. It'd get you one, but it would be stale by the time you got here.
 
7:16 PM
My connection went fuzzy. No wonder it seemed silent. In any case, I've got some errands, so later~
 
7:27 PM
Man it's 14:27 and I still haven't eaten.
What is wrong with me?
 
7:42 PM
You're telling time wrong. That's what's wrong.
 
What?
That was the time when I said it was that time.
WTF are you smoking?
 
8:36 PM
You should take better care of yourself, The Welbog of 26 Years
Granted, it's 13:36 here, and I just finished breakfast
but I've been drinking coffee for a solid 3 hours, and bourbon for slightly less
 
@Shog9 - you posted that at 15:36, so your clock must be wrong.
 
my clock is what I set it to - therefore, it is the correct time
other clocks in other places, set by other, less careful people, may well show other times
but I cannot be held responsible for those heathen clocks
 
I will mail you my watch so you can set it correctly, then.
 
do so. You will be the life of any party you arrive at, merely by arriving at the correct time for the first time in your life
 
I like to arrive fashionably late.
If at all.
 
8:39 PM
but obviously not with a fashionably correct watch
 
But a fashionable watch nonetheless.
 
well, that's something at least
 
I'm getting sick of Amazon showing me 1000 variations on one stupid thing I searched for.
I think as a prank I am going to sneak onto someone's computer and search Amazon for something embarrassing.
"Welcome back, Shog9. Other people who like adult diapers also like..."
 
I am making tomato meat sauce.
It's made from the meat of tomatoes.
 
It's called "Tomato: meet sauce".
There's no such thing as tomato meat, silly
 
8:46 PM
Well then what are tomatoes made of, stupid?
 
Petrified tomato juice.
 
No, that's stupid. There's no seeds in tomato juice, stupid.
 
That's because they strain the seeds out. DUH. Nobody would drink tomato juice with seeds in it. Then tomatoes would take root in your tummy. And you would die.
 
Hey guys
 
Hello, Sergio.
 
8:53 PM
What site do you recommend for watching TV shows for free streaming? Not Hulu or anything, because I live in Bolivia and can't pay for hotspot shield. :P
 
No that's not how tomato juice works.
 
Do you like tomato meat sauce?
 
Any suggestions?
 
It's tomato blood.
You get the tomato meat and the tomato blood.
You make sauce from the meat and juice from the blood.
The seeds you use to make more tomatoes.
 
That's how you make more tomotoes?
 
8:55 PM
Yeah. You feed the seeds to orphans.
 
Oh dear... I was doing it VERY wrong.
 
They shit out tomatoes.
Come on, Jon, didn't you pay attention in botany?
 
That explains this:
 
That's an orphan who was constipated.
Happens.
 
I thought it might be my tomato love child.
 
8:56 PM
Nevermind! Found a great site, check out www.tvduck.com
Seems legit!
 
@SergioTapia - very good. That makes the first time this chat room helped anyone.
(Except for all the other times)
 
If you're not going to talk about tomatoes then I suggest you shut up.
 
Don't pay attention to Welbog. He ate too many seeds.
He's backed up with unborn tomato half-breeds.
 
No, that's not the case. I'm not an orphan.
 
Then why did you eat all those seeds?
 
9:01 PM
I didn't. I told you.
I made the sauce out of the meat, not the seeds.
 
We'll just have to wait and see what you shit out later. I bet it's half-tomato-half-Canadian mutants.
 
I'm pretty sure it'll be shit, bro.
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That's disgusting.
At least now we know what the secret ingredient in your tomato meat sauce is.
 
I keep telling you, it's meat!
 
Wes
food sounds good
only had toast and cereal today
22:07 in case anyones wondering
 
9:08 PM
Not Welbog's food. He's cooking with tomato feces.
 
Wes
well no not that
tbh I didn't know tomatoes defecated/
 
They don't. They only have three parts: meat, blood and seeds.
Jon's misunderstanding of simple botanical anatomy is astounding.
I can tell Random is online because I'm getting a lot of stars suddenly.
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Stop that.
 
I need to say something clever. All of my old clever stuff has fallen off the list :(
 
That's a fancy way of saying you never say anything clever.
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Just not in a few days.
For crying out loud, "!" is one of your starred posts.
Clever indeed.
 
9:13 PM
Look, Random is a sycophant.
It's not like he even knows how to read.
What with his stupid Australian brain.
 
I need one of those.
 
No, they're annoying.
 
Damn. Stupid copy paste.
 
Wes
how do you know if you'be been starred
 
You look at the stars.
 
9:19 PM
FYI - GIS on "sucking ass" turns up a pic of Vanilla Ice.
 
That is very good to know.
 
You lie
 
@Shog9 - you have to turn the SE "safe search" feature off.
 
Ah, I never do that. SE people are into some seriously disturbing stuff
 
You're telling me! They even have a site for math!!!
 
9:24 PM
that reminds me - I need to do a set intersection of high-rep users on Math.SE and English.SE, so I know who to avoid
 
Just avoid everyone who uses an SE site.
You'll be good.
 
I've been working on that
 
Wes
should be pretty to implement
ahh my vegtable pizza without any meat on it nearly burnt.
Who the hell buys vegtable pizzas anyway
I need to find so ham
 
No meat? Just tomato seeds?
I think I know where this is going...
 
If I could kick you, that'd be where this is going.
 
Wes
9:37 PM
no just chargrilled vegtables
 
Time to play video games BBL
 
Enjoy.
 
Wes
It not going anywhere I'm just annoyed someone in my family didn't buy a meat based pizza
 
I'm getting outta here before Wes shits out a tomato baby.
 
Wes
Mind you since I'm obviously eating their food I suppose I can't complain
@JonB never happened before
 
Wes
9:51 PM
My plan is to get a really high rep. Hang arround the chatrooms and use a custom gravatar image that looks identical to a normal gravitar image. Then just hope someone asks me. "Wes in all the time it took to accumulate 25M points did you never think to set an avatar", and "I'll answer oh but I did"
That should amuse me for half a second
meh seems like a lot of work
 
Wes
10:05 PM
@JonB I thought you were joking. Jeez it wasn't exactly extremly likely to happen was it?
 
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