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1:16 PM

Took someone three years to notice comment I posted and he totally missed the point

@ShadowWizard are you serious? you are writing with "u" and "ur" and YOU give me advice about English. YES english is not my main language but YOU are ridiculous. — Gabriel 25 mins ago

Bart

jadarnel27

Doesn't look like they're going to get your point either, @Shadow =)

Shadow Wizard

@jadarnel27 yeah, no hat for them! ;)

Bart

Tempted to flag it as NAA anyway

user202362

@Oded, can we get this question deleted from meta?

Oded

1:30 PM

@sudorm-rfTelkitty Why?

user202362

duplicate question wastes bandwidth

user202362

I am thinking for the sake of StackExchange

Bart

invalid argument is invalid

Oded

Meh. Duplicates serve a purpose.

user202362

like waste bandwidth?

Oded

1:32 PM

How do they waste bandwidth, exactly?

user202362

Not only that but it is also misleading ... people away from the original one which has better answers ...

Bart

So we'll close it as a dupe then? Bonus link. Everybody happy.

Oded

What he said ^^^

user202362

@Oded people might accidently visit it and bandwidth is wasted ...

Shadow Wizard

@telkitty why won't you admit the obvious? You want to hide the "shame" of downvoted question

You have several, I suspect many, downvoted posts already deleted

user202362

1:35 PM

I also have many positively voted answers deleted ... by random meta users

Oded

If someone searches for some terms, and ends up on that question and get their answer (even as a dupe - or they end up going to the dupe) that is better than them searching, clicking to several questions that are no good etc.

user202362

Well, negatively voted question is obviously no good

3ventic

Except on meta.

Flyk

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Bart

Not necessarily so for feature requests @sudorm-rfTelkitty.

3ventic

1:39 PM

Since feature-requests use un-rep-friendly way of voting, they're useful even if downvoted.

Bart

So where's the cake @Flyk? Don't tell me there's no cake!

user202362

@Bart negative votes on meta = I don't agree, so how could a duplicate, negative voted feature request be a good thing?

Flyk

@Bart I ate it

Oded

@Flyk - so, the cake is a lie?

Flyk

it is now!

jadarnel27

1:40 PM

One could argue that there are user accounts on this network that are wasting bandwidth. Should we delete those too?

Bart

@sudorm-rfTelkitty "I don't agree and here's why .... " So we have a large set of arguments against (or perhaps even in favour). That's valuable content to have. Even if there is disagreement.

3ventic

@sudorm-rfTelkitty It's good in that future users who have the same idea can go to it and figure it's not a good idea.

instead of posting it again

user202362

@jadarnel27 yes, if there are duplicate accounts of the same user, according to meta rule

Bart

If we tell you to stop worrying about this "bandwidth" argument of yours, and tell you we have no problem with a dupe, will you let it go @sudorm-rfTelkitty? Or do you really have another reason to want to see it gone?

Oded

@sudorm-rfTelkitty um. Actually no. We have no problem with users having multiple accounts. So long as they don't abuse them (sockpuppet voting for instance)

Flyk

1:42 PM

I vote for myself all the time

It keeps on telling me I can't vote for my own posts though

so I think I'm ok

Shadow Wizard

@Flyk I wonder if it's logged anywhere? ;)

user202362

well, it is more confusing because the other question has 115 positive votes ... very confusing to new users how could a question be agreed on & disagreed on at the same time?

Flyk

new users don't need to understand meta

let them get their head around the FAQ first

Bart

@sudorm-rfTelkitty this is not the first time it happens. Opinions/viewpoints change over time. Which makes the dupe even more valuable to have around.

@Bart aaaaa this was 2 years ago... #$@# jlafay edited my post for writing with "u" ... this is ... accord... sorry guys!!! — Gabriel 4 mins ago

@ShadowWizard ^^^^

Flyk

we should just make a post called "StackExchange exists!" and then close everything as a duplicate of it

user202362

1:47 PM

If you going to confuse the users by changing your mind all the times, why have meta feature request at all? It is a bit like "we think this is a good idea, but not really, we can't make up our mind"

Flyk

@sudorm-rfTelkitty opinions change

user202362

from 115 to -11?

Flyk

psh, they're just internet points

I don't even know what you're talking about but you're probably taking it way too seriously

user202362

that's bigger change than the temperature difference in Sahara

Oded

@sudorm-rfTelkitty - there is this process. We would like this feature -> upvotes -> Feature implemented -> Turns out, it is horrible -> feature removed. We would liek this feature -> downvotes.

Bart

1:49 PM

You might have missed that the site has significantly changed since it's humble beginnings @sudorm-rfTelkitty. What is all good and well for a small site, might no longer apply to a massive site where similar ideas would cause certain issues.

Or experience might provide additional insights over time, shifting the views.

Laszlo Papp

hmm, it seems comments do not bump threads?

Bart

They don't.

Oded

No, they never did.

Laszlo Papp

great.

I have been afraid a few times due to the lengthy discussions.

user202362

Is there any reasons you don't want to delete the question other than all you previous arguments?

user202362

1:51 PM

Because I feel there is ...

Flyk

@sudorm-rfTelkitty historical reasons

Shadow Wizard

@LaszloPapp I think too many comments raise some automatic system flag though

So that moderator will have a look

@Oded is this true?

Laszlo Papp

visible for 10K+ users?

Oded

@ShadowWizard it is.

Shadow Wizard

@LaszloPapp no, mods only

Oded

1:52 PM

Mod/employee only.

jadarnel27

I think I remember reading it was for...20+ comments?

Laszlo Papp

my record is around 100+. :-)

Shadow Wizard

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Q: When comments exceed 20

I wonder whether it wouldn't be a good idea to change the automatic flagging when a post exceeds 20 comments to be based on the rate of commenting instead of just the total number. When SO was relatively new, there was little effective difference between the two, but it's been around long enough...

So it's 20, but only when posted within 3 days

Laszlo Papp

interesting, thanks. :-)

Bart

@sudorm-rfTelkitty Why should someone provide an argument to not delete the post? Just let it be if you have no real convincing argument. It doesn't hurt anyone or anything.

user202362

2:01 PM

@Bart are you sure it doesn't hurt anyone? Maybe I am hurt by this relentless bullying ...

user202362

yes ... really hurt ...

Bart

Ah, so there we go. You just want it gone because of the downvotes?

Oded

Relentless? Nothing has been posted on that question (answers, comments, edits) since December 17th.

Shadow Wizard

@sudorm-rfTelkitty if downvotes hurt you, Meta is really not for you

you made feature request, it wasn't popular, people disagreed and downvoted. No bullying whatsoever

user202362

@Oded I didn't know meta expect users to forget past bullying events ...

Oded

2:09 PM

@sudorm-rfTelkitty my point was about your use of "relentless". The downvotes stopped that day. They have not continued. That is far from "relentless". As for your claim of bullying - that would be the case if downvotes == bullying. Which would be like saying that disagreeing == bullying.

user202362

19 mins ago, by Flyk

@sudorm-rfTelkitty historical reasons

user202362

Bart

@sudorm-rfTelkitty Perhaps it's a good idea to reconsider whether or not participating on Meta is for you. It might not be if you get this upset over it. You don't have to participate on Meta. It's not a requirement. And if you don't like it, perhaps go do something you enjoy.

user202362

had fun ... laterz :p

Bart

... noted.

Oded

2:11 PM

Damn. Even the trolling quality is going down.

Shadow Wizard

We were just trolled, @Bart, @Oded you know that right?

Bart

@ShadowWizard Yeah, should have known.

Shadow Wizard

I think he's the most famous chat troll in the C++ lounge

Oded

@ShadowWizard - does it count when you know the troll is a troll?

Shadow Wizard

@Oded good point!

Bart

2:12 PM

She, if I'm not mistaken @ShadowWizard?

Shadow Wizard

@Bart oh, this makes it even more interesting, lol! but why you think it's a she?

Oded

@Bart - yep. Also indirectly shown by choice of book cover

And I would say - she came in to try and get that post removed. Didn't get the response she wanted, went for straw man arguments and "resolved" it by telling us she trolled us. That's not trolling - that's child-like behaviour.

Bart

One of these days accounts should be deletable because a user acted like a minor.

Shadow Wizard

Hey who removed the sticky comment?!

jadarnel27

After soliciting suggestions for a good Android music player in here the other day, I went back and tried the Google Play Music player, and it's actually great for what I need.

Bart

2:18 PM

Sticky comment?

Oded

Heh. Guess I can ask here how people deal with "insufficient storage" when apps try to update...

Shadow Wizard

@jadarnel27 donations to this Tavern are always welcome... in bitcoin!

@Bart yup, it said something like "humans stink" had about 15 votes and survived for about two weeks :-D

jadarnel27

@Shadow Pinned messages devolve into regular stars after two weeks I think.

Bart

I bet you it was one of those stinky humans who did it @ShadowWizard.

jadarnel27

At that point, they usually fall off the star list to more recent things.

Shadow Wizard

2:20 PM

@jadarnel27 oh that's too bad!

Bart

@Oded does "by shouting and screaming" answer your question?

Oded

VLQ

jadarnel27

@Shadow I don't have any bitcoins, unfortunately =)

Shadow Wizard

@jadarnel27 bummer... so just stick around and make yourself comfortable ;)

Well, found it! :P

jadarnel27

I've never run into that (insufficient storage), @Oded.

Oded

2:24 PM

Old phone, not much internal storage...

SPArchaeologist

Hi - just asking a suggestion: in your opinion which stackexchange board would be the most appropriate to ask for clarifications about converting an RGBW color to standard RGB (or HSB/HSL)?

Jan Dvorak

@SPArchaeologist search first ;-)

SPArchaeologist

spent my morning doing so

all I found are a c++ snippet that convert rgb-->rgbw in a WRONG way - results doesn't match

and another that does hue/saturation/intensity to rgbw

Bart

perhaps DSP SE?

SPArchaeologist

but for what I understand the conversion function for the second snippet is NOT invertible

@bart : Digital Signal Processing?

jadarnel27

2:28 PM

I assume you're trying to do this with code? If so, why wouldn't Stack Overflow be a good place to ask?

3ventic

@ShadowWizard it's been two weeks from that message?!

time goes fast..

Bart

Yep @SPArchaeologist. Don't know if they allow it, but perhaps worth a look

jadarnel27

Time flies when you're

SPArchaeologist

@jadarnel27 - I fear that the RGBW format is used only for controlling light, so I don't know if that would be appropriate. My problem is in the house automation field, so I don't know if it is In Topic for Stack

3ventic

@jadarnel27 ...buying more DLC?

SPArchaeologist

2:31 PM

@Bart - thanks, will have a look

jadarnel27

@3ventic Ha! I imagine so.

3ventic

Reminds me of..

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jadarnel27

I watched a YouTube video the other day where someone had changed their Xbox gamer tag to "Xbox sign out", which is a voice command to bring up the logout screen on Xbox One, apparently.

He then played Call of Duty or something, and trolled people into exclaiming his name.

And recorded their panicked voices as they tried to cancel the sign out haha.

user202362

@Oded ~_~ ... I rather keep that question for further trolling purpose ...

jadarnel27

I am easily amused.

user202362

2:40 PM

if you look more closely you would know even that question was a troll

Bart

Yeah, saw that one @jadarnel27. Brilliant. "Hey Xbox sign out! ... NONONONO"

user202362

In fact you should have known ...

jadarnel27

@Bart haha, right? Good stuff.

user202362

I <3 meta, so trollable

Oded

@sudorm-rfTelkitty of course it was. I mean how else would you keep yourself amused?

Bart

2:43 PM

So you admit that not only you're trolling here, but you're also trolling by creating posts even you think should not stay around, if not for further trolling purposes @sudorm-rfTelkitty? Sounds like there's only one option then ....

user202362

@Oded many other things, depends on whether I have internet connection or not, but anyways ...

Oded

@Bart - well... it isn't like we can't ban people from chat and put them in the penalty box on MSO.

Bart

Kinda sorta what I was getting at @Oded ;)

user202362

I use Tor :')

Bart

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jadarnel27

2:45 PM

Nice, @Bart.

user202362

As an elite troll I am adequately trained on other forums ...

Bart

It's a shame they play with headphones on. How awesome would it be if it was on speaker and all their Xboxes picked it up

jadarnel27

Hahaha, that would be awesome.

My TV responds to voice commands, and I had to turn it off. The TV kept doing stuff in response to things coming out of the surround sound.

It definitely turned itself off once while I was watching a movie.

Oded

Ain't modern technology great?

user202362

I <3 Tor, it was referred to me by a computer security specialist ... I have been using it since ...

jadarnel27

2:49 PM

Haha, yes! ...mostly.

Bart

Haha, nice. It's like the Kinect gesture controller I wrote. Sometimes the Kinect latches on to a jacket or a chair as a skeleton, and started recognizing gestures when nobody was there. I had a heck of a time figuring out how it got deep into the menu and configured items after a night away.

jadarnel27

LOL

Duncan

God I hate PHP and its "documentation". I've never encountered such imprecise, hand-wavey docs in all my life.

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