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5:11 PM
mine's fine too
 
mine's bleeding, but otherwise fine.
 
I had problems with gravatar.com the last hour but it's ok now
 
Monkeys can't bleed.
 
Yup, mine works now too.
 
@TinyTim do we want to know the story behind that?
... what am I asking. Of course we do!
 
5:16 PM
Pretty standard stuff... duck, hose, late hour, whiskey
 
I see!
The strangeness of those things is also strongly influenced by where you are at the moment.
If on the Philippines, it's socially acceptable (because it's past midnight).
If in the States, less so (because it's noon).
Do you say on the Philippines or in the Philippines?
They are islands... but then, they're big islands.
 
in the Philippines sounds better for me..
 
It does, doesn't it.
But then you say, on the Easter Islands.
Hmm
 
I think that's because The Philippines is a country, and Easter Island is not.
You're in a country. You're on an island.
 
I'm redirecting all future EL&U questions directly to you, @jadarnel27.
 
5:30 PM
Haha, that's terrifying.
I'll have to look up ask Pops what gerunds are again.
 
Nouns with -ing.
(The ones that were verbs, that is. Not, like, "king.")
 
That was easier than looking it up. Also, thanks! That rings a bell.
 
"Ring" is also not a gerund.
 
Hahaha
@Pops Do you also know why Netflix keeps getting deactivated on my Samsung smart TV (without any action on my part, as far as I can tell)?
This one is actually more important to me than the gerund thing. Can I trade that answer out for an answer this question?
 
Sorry, that's off-topic here at Pops's English Language Emporium.
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5:39 PM
Verbing weirds language!
 
@Pops grumbles
 
@jadarnel27 Go post angrily on m.PELE
 
@jadarnel27 Hey, if you want all your questions answered in one place, Yahoo! Answers is this way.
 
Hahaha
I'm kinda afraid to click that link
 
It's just yahoo answers, surprisingly
 
5:42 PM
Sigh. First thing I see:
> When is a good time to take down holiday decorations?
> asked by: Yahoo Answers Team
My closing finger itches.
 
Hilarious.
First thing I see is: "What if the bad guy wins?"
 
That's like Shog9 going to SO and asking if Java is better than PHP
 
Which has been deleted.
Yet I can't see how it's a worse question than 99% of the ones on there.
 
@Undo What is this acronym?
@Pops Harsh, man. Harsh.
 
@jadarnel27 Meta Pop's English Language Emporium
 
5:50 PM
I sent a detailed support request to Rosetta Stone, explaining my problem (with a record / playback feature) and what I tried. I got this back: "Please increase the volume in the computer and try to record."
 
@Undo Actually that's the shorthand for my mobile site.
 
Not only did I mention I tried adjusting the volume, there are two different volumes as play here (record and playback).
And they were unclear about which one I should turn up.
 
@jadarnel27 In that one message, you've turned me from being just-about-to-complain about a "public shaming" website to recommending that you submit new content to them.
 
That is the second time you've made me laugh out loud today. Well done haha.
 
@Undo That is sort of ridiculous - Shog knows PHP is better than Java.
 
5:56 PM
@Pops Could you please tell me what a participial phrase and a dependent clause is?
 
A dependent clause is... just that, a clause that is dependent on another one (an independent one or another dependent one) to be complete/meaningful.
I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a "participial phrase"; were you thinking of "past participle"?
 
@Pops But what is an example of a dependent clause?
There is actually a participial phrase.
Meh, me thinks PELE needs some work, the questions are kind of Googleable.
 
@hichris123 Oh, very good.
 
@Pops You should make an A51 proposal, even though it kind of is a dupe of English Language & Usage...
 
6:15 PM
Ew, I haven't thought about participial phrases in a long time.
Huh. I answered a two month old question on SO today, and the OP accepted it. I didn't expect that.
 
THE SYSTEM WORKS!
 
It's a New Years miracle.
 
6:48 PM
hi, is this overlap a known issue or I should report it on meta? imagebin.org/285023
 
@LaszloPapp what's the issue?
 
there is an overlap in the middle; it is more visible on this screenshot at the bottom.
 
Overflowing badges are known for sure, but not sure about long names
 
VB.NET is the best language in existence. Discuss.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE Closed as "not acceptable, even for chat, I mean, dubble-yew tee eff, mate?"
However, I'm willing to entertain arguments that it is a valid question because it can be objectively answered with "false."
 
6:59 PM
I refuse to acknowledge that my relevant/useful skills are atrophying. Refuse!
Therefore cognitive dissonance REQUIRES me to acknowledge that VB.NET is the best language in existence.
QED.
In all seriousness though, I won't even need a job when bitcoin hits $1,000,000,000,000 USD each so really who cares.
 
Because you, and everyone in this room, will be long dead by the time that occurs?
 
wants bitcoin
 
I'll even pay off the federal debt, just to be a nice guy.
@Pops Stop interrupting my delusions with your fancy reality.
 
The federal debt will be much higher than your bitcoin amount * $1,000,000,000,000 by then :P
 
@TCPMAN.EXE Of what federation?
 
7:02 PM
@Pops Canada!
Way cheaper than that other one to the South.
Geez, I'm not made of magic internet money.
 
You will be when that bitcoin thing you were talking about happens.
 
Yes, because my physical form will have ceased to exist.
 
Ya know, buying a bunch of mining rigs doesn't seem too expensive anymore :P
 
@Pops It might happen before then, but because the USD will be worth so little (which probably isn't what TCPMAN was going for).
 
"R.I.P. Undo - he died rich with fake internet points"
 
7:05 PM
I remember hearing about Bitcoin a long time ago. Not early enough for me to get in on the ground floor, but certainly a single-digit-numbered floor. Lesson learned: devote extensive time and energy to all Internet/tech fads I hear about henceforth.
 
@jadarnel27 In which case they'll have paid off the debt with magic printed money.
So they still won't need me.
 
@Pops How's Dogecoin coming?
 
@TCPMAN.EXE True that.
 
@Pops I learned about it long enough ago for me to be kicking myself for selling it when it reached a whopping $10 instead of waiting.
Good thing I didn't follow up on hearing about it.
That would have sucked.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE They will print so much money that you might have $51,000,000,000,000 in bitcoin, but you could buy about three cartons of milk with it.
 
7:09 PM
Cartons of milk are a valuable thing.
 
Cartons of milk have intrinsic value.
 
Yes... but...
That's not the point.
"R.I.P. Undo - he never did manage to explain how three cartons of milk for $51,000,000,000,000 was not a good deal"
 
@Undo What're you asking me for?
 
/me is going to buy and hold milk.
 
@Pops Have you successfully devoted time and energy to it?
 
7:10 PM
That's not a fad, it's a joke.
 
Oh
 
I have 200,000 dogecoin. They're going to the MOOOOOON.
 
Give me the latest fad.
(the name, not the actual thing :P)
 
Also, Coinye West is the latest joke coin.
You're a bit behind.
 
I think I have like 0.01 bitcoin stashed away somewhere.
 
7:12 PM
Aug 26 '10 at 18:14, by Shog9
Mods can also come into your house at night and leave your milk out. Some mod abilities aren't talked about much.
 
Today's listening (what? ElfSlice hasn't been around today)
 
@ElfSlice Quick! Come save us!
 
@Undo You could buy, like, 10 packs of Kool-Aid with that.
 
kool-aid is bad for the teeth
 
I give up!
 
7:14 PM
Yay!
I drink water and occasionally tea.
 
: shorten the edit window for chat (possibly for specific users)
 
No! No! No!
 
Think of the gallons of water you could buy with $8.
 
Hmmm
What is the price of BTC right now anyway?
 
@TCPMAN.EXE What do I do next?
 
7:15 PM
$818.9 = 1BTC
???!!!???
Really?
 
@jadarnel27 Buy 0.01 bitcoin.
 
Crap, I remember when it was like $25
 
Then try to get water with it.
 
I should invest in this stuff
 
I should invest in anything.
 
7:18 PM
I should diversify.
Into something other than dogecoin, I mean.
 
I want a mouse that controls the cursor on whatever device I'm looking at. Having my personal laptop and work laptop next to each other is too confusing.
 
Then the NSA would know what device you're looking at.
 
I keep moving the mouse around for a few seconds, before realizing that this thing is only connected to one of those computers.
 
The NSA already knows what device you're looking at.
 
True
So does @AndrewBarber.
 
7:20 PM
I've accepted that I have no privacy.
...and not just because I'm married ba-dum pshhh
 
Hey-o
 
@jadarnel27 Like Mouse without Borders or Synergy?
 
HOLY CRAP IT'S ALREADY A THING.
 
@TimStone :o
hugs @TimStone
 
To be fair, they don't track your eye movements...but
 
7:23 PM
Yeah, this is getting awkward today.
 
I still need a device that focuses the box I'm looking at.
 
@TimStone Right. But it's a pretty awesome alternative.
 
No Mavericks support for Synergy yet though. This thing I didn't know about 5 minutes ago doesn't support all my devices D:
 
I would like a device that types working code into whatever text area I'm looking at.
 
But you can sign up for email alerts, so the day is saved.
 
7:26 PM
waits for Tim Stone to deliver
 
gets out todo list again
 
Bah, that black hole?
=P
 
Hey, black holes are pretty cool.
 
No, black holes suck.
 
7:40 PM
Ha.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE No they... oh, wait...
 
What conference should I nag people to be sent to this year, I wonder.
 
The one about "responsive web design."
 
After they sent me to some training in Chicago 2 years ago, they decided that everyone should go to something every 2 years allegedly.
 
My last job sent me to a training course on Adobe Dreamweaver.
o_0
 
7:54 PM
Mine was for Grails. I use that about 0% of the time again now.
 
I think I remember back when you were talking about that.
Grails.
 
It's pretty groovy.
 
I just really like HTML. And spicy V8.
 
I should have had a V8.
I'm walking all diagonal today.
 
@jadarnel27 Do you work for the NSA or something? :P
 
8:14 PM
@hichris123 Nope. I'm just being realistic.
Or pessimistic.
 
But probably the first thing.
 
@jadarnel27 Or crazy.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE Wow.
 
> Send the an email. They have a short turnaround time.
Dumb answer.
The NSA already knows he wants the list.
 
8:16 PM
@TCPMAN.EXE Your question?
 
No, lol.
 
Hey, thought you might ask something like that.
 
I would if I could remember my Yahoo ID.
 
Now ask that on SO. With a sock, of course. And see if you get burned or the wrath of SE comes down on you.
 
Sadly it doesn't get much use.
 
8:18 PM
Not meta. Stack Overflow
 
That's not even trying to be on topic. security.stackexchange.com maybe?
 
Does it matter? The comments are priceless. :P
 
Definitely on topic, but it would be funnier to post there (therefore deleted faster, imho)
 
8:47 PM
Brown.
 
8:57 PM
Will chat.mSO get moved to chat.SE?
So that I can see my SE network rooms in the sidebar while in the Tavern?
(pretty pretty please?)
 
@Undo So that I could see flags in here too.
(pretty pretty please x2)
I'm pretty sure chat.SE has both MSO and SO, but people use chat.MSO and chat.SO because they're linked from the sites
and rooms here and there are so established it would be hard to start over on chat.SE..
 
Actually, chat.SO, chat.MSO, and chat.SE are each on separate web servers, @3ventic.
 
I know
 
@jadarnel27 Yes, but maybe that will change.
 
@3ventic "I'm pretty sure chat.SE has both MSO and SO" - My bad, I took that statement to mean you though chat.SE contained the other two already.
 
9:04 PM
Although probably not, because from what I hear c.m.so is the dev envirnment.
 
Icky, what are those weird places?
 
Too early to make promises, but the current MSO chat should become the new MSE chat. The new MSO will just be a per-site meta for SO, no different than any other per-site meta, so it'll become part of SO's chat.
 
@Pops So chat.MSO moves to chat.SE when MSO -> MSE + MSO?
or some odd chat.meta.SE?
 
@3ventic This one, I believe.
Although, again, I could be wrong, and even if I'm not wrong based on the current plans, I could become wrong just because nothing is set in stone yet.
But as Undo pointed out, the current MSO chat is kept separate so we can try things out here without messing with other stuff. Really just an extension of the overall MSO policy. We rolled out the new top bar for testing on MSO before doing it network-wide, for example.
 
9:09 PM
Summary: it is very likely that @Pops is wrong.
 
@jadarnel27 Prepare to have expired milk tomorrow.
 
I understand why MSO has separate stuff (for development), but there's barely any reason for SO to have a separate chat domain/server
 
@Pops This day keeps getting worse and worse.
First I'm out of spicy V8, now my milk is going to be bad?
 
And he hasn't even dipped into the really sekrit mod abilities :P
(leave car lights on all night, for example)
 
(Cause -50 windchill)
 
9:15 PM
@TCPMAN.EXE You getting that?
 
@3ventic Disclaimer: that decision was made when chat was introduced, long before I joined the team. Based on my memory of public discussions from back then, though: the thinking was that SO alone was so big that its chatters could easily fill up a full chat server.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE Given the choice, I guess I'll take my beverage problems.
 
@Undo Pretty sure that one's only a vicious rumor. Might just be something I have to ask a dev to toggle on for me, though.
 
@hichris123 I'm not sure what it is here, back home yes.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE We're getting -45ish wind chill next week.
 
9:18 PM
Oh, apparently it's fine back home today. -30 here. We keep swapping.
 
(cc @Pops)
I think the devs accidently turned this on for me. Not sure what it does.
 
@hichris123 You sure you don't live in Saskatoon? :P
 
@Undo Um... what?
@TCPMAN.EXE No, midwest US.
 
@Undo Hey! What is this libel? Who are you working for? Experts Exchange? Quora?
 
@hichris123 That's, like, almost the same thing as far as the weather is concerned these days.
Canada, Egypt. Same diff.
 
9:22 PM
@TCPMAN.EXE Kinda. Also foot+ snow. :P
 
I went off on a larger tangent there.
 
Yeah...
 
@Pops Hehe. I can guarantee you I don't work for Quora:
 
@hichris123 In Saskatchewan we call that "Tuesday"
 
 
9:23 PM
@Undo So... EE, then.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE We usually only get 2 foot of snow a year.
 
@Pops whistles
 
@Undo How'd you do it?
 
@hichris123 cough chrome dev tools cough
@Pops Yeah. The guys back at the office are sure going to look at me weird when I walk in wearing an SO t-shirt :P
 
@hichris123 Huh. Apparently our average is actually 28" per year. The last 2 years have been a couple standard deviations high to say the least.
 
9:26 PM
@Undo I saw an image similar to this in an MSO post once, but I can't find it now.
It said something giving the user cancer.
I think I complained about that being offensive.
 
@jadarnel27 Oh, yeah. I remember it too.
 
Then again, I'm very sensitive.
 
@Undo Me wantz. What do you do?
 
@hichris123 Inspect element.
(right click -> inspect element)
Then you can change the HTML and do amazing things.
 
Like pull in jQuery
Add dancing flames to any page using html5.
 
9:29 PM
Yay flames.
 
That was my CS100 prof's challenge to me. Add dancing flames to a webpage. He wasn't impressed that I went with an animated gif rather than learning about fractals, etc for drawing them :P
 
Hehe
 
@TCPMAN.EXE That's relatively rough for an intro class.
 
Yeah
 
For a 100 level class that is true.
 
9:35 PM
(this is coming from a kid who taught himself programming :P)
 
@Pops Well, yeah... For perspective though the class had 12 people in it, the average grade on the midterm was about 40% and me and one other person had a 100%. He was just trying to keep the two of us busy...
 
I was involved with a research project for my senior project in college that was trying to find a solution to the problem where half the people in intro programming courses have no idea what they're doing, and the other half are bored by how easy it is.
 
Ha.
 
'Twas a federally funded project, headed up by one of the professors in the CS department. I was just doing grunt work. But I thought it was very interesting.
 
@jadarnel27 What was the end result of it?
 
9:41 PM
@hichris123 Apparently either (a) they gave up, or (b) they came up with a solution that doesn't work. I say this because it's still a problem.
 
I wasn't around for the end of it, @hichris123. But their approach of using video games to teach intro CS concepts before college (like, in middle school) apparently showed promise.
 
That's what I working, the game code. For "programming" games that kids could play.
 
@Pops =)
 
@jadarnel27 Huh. I'm not really interested in the video game part of programming (taught myself Java/Python). But for some kids, it might work.
@Undo Ha!
 
9:44 PM
@hichris123 It was more about getting kids to play a game that forced them to think about / use introductory programming concepts (loops, conditional statements, variables, etc).
I think I was unclear. We weren't trying to get kids to be interested in making video games.
 
I think if someone gave me "Robot Turtles" or "Robo Rally" in CS100 I still would have wanted to stab my eyes out.
 
@jadarnel27 What do you mean by that? I can't really picture a video game helping kids to learn how to code...
 
@hichris123 There was one that played music, and you could choreograph a virtual character to dance to the music. But you did that with little drag-and-drop programming-esque statements that made the character do dance moves.
You could make it do the same move several times by using a loop.
Or use a conditional block to make it do a move on every third beat.
 
cool
 
9:52 PM
@jadarnel27 Kind of like the Lego NXT.
 
@jadarnel27 You let them use a modulus, right? Moduluses are fun.
 
@Undo Haha, I don't think that was in there.
 
Tsk. Modulus is the operation of kings.
 
if (a%5==1) // Yay I just saved myself like forty lines of redundant code!
{
    ...
}
 
9:53 PM
FizzBuzz. The Game!
 
@Undo I thought you didn't know Java
 
@hichris123 meh, that works in just about every language except Ruby :P
 
Ugh Ruby?
Python FTW ;)
 
I know. Working on a project in it right now. It's a challenge.
 
9:56 PM
@Undo Perfect syntax, though I prefer it like this:
 
This phone number may not have been formatted in the database as I expected. 777.-03.33
 
if (a%5==1) { // Yay I just saved myself like forty lines of redundant code!
    ...
}
 
@TCPMAN.EXE Run away very quickly.
 
@jadarnel27 Me sees competition, where is the competition part of that?
 
9:59 PM
if (a%5) { // This doesn't always do the same thing }
 
Hehehe
 

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