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Journeyman Geek

6:28 AM

@JNat stackexchange.com/users/22869929/mildred-d-brown?tab=accounts spammer

6:49 AM

flag-pls spam (MS) islam.stackexchange.com/questions/77771

I'm out of the loop for the new site design. According to that question, all the site's designs are live for everyone now. However, I am not seeing the updated theme in many sites e.g in SuperUser, I was expecting to see this theme but instead I am seeing this theme. What am I missing here?

Journeyman Geek

@Himanshu Need to dig on meta but basically we hated the meta-look-alike theme

and wanted a remix of the old theme

@Himanshu meta.stackexchange.com/a/312406/135565

@JourneymanGeek Ok thanks. I got that for SuperUser, but I am also not seeing the beautiful graphics at the top of Server Fault's header.

Journeyman Geek

@Himanshu I think the older sites/trilogy didn't want substancial changes

People seemed to be mixed on these design flourishes, so we pulled them. We can add them back in if there is strong support. — Joe Friend Aug 13, 2018 at 19:13

7:44 AM

child abuse spammer on Stack Overflow, if you are desperate for something to flag

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Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

9:05 AM

@tripleee you mean link to cp site? Well probably long gone by now...

9:21 AM

@ShadowWizardChasingStars yeh, it's gone now but they spammed three times already, so might come back

I didn't want to link from here since Stack Overflow links are generally unwelcome here; just a brief heads-up (but if you want a link, metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/spammers/346330)

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@tripleee wonder if SE can involve police.

oh it's "just" Telegram group invite lol. No police. And I don't plan to check if that group is really what spammer says it is.

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/268574/… seems to suggest to just report directly to relevant authorities, which I believe I have

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

More likely it's just scammers who'll try to take money.

if I were a scammer I would at least not try to make it look like I'm committing other crimes too; but of course, you could be right

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@tripleee yeah, well, nothing we can really do either way. ;(

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

10:10 AM

@JourneymanGeek I seem to have lost access to chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/1664, a room I was previously chatting in; can you please investigate why my access was revoked? (cc @Glorfindel)

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog No idea what happened but you should have access again.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Glorfindel Thanks! I think it may have something to do with the RO list getting cleared of non-mods when a room is made private, then it takes a while for chat profile access lists' cache to update.

could be, yes

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog secret room where MSE leaders decide the fate of people?

:P

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizardChasingStars No, a non-mod staff member asked me to share something privately with them.

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

10:17 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog staff has all mod powers so not relevant, but yeah saw the comment asking you for that.

Was the conversion to private room very recent? It's a known issue that non-mods cannot be RO in private rooms and they will be removed and kicked automatically by the system after 24 hours.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Glorfindel ^

@MetaAndrewT. Yes, the room was created yesterday night

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@MetaAndrewT. what's with the RO? Why does it matter so much?

OK, well write access should be sufficient...

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

One can just have ordinary access to private room without being RO of it. No?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

10:19 AM

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Q: Prevent non-moderators from owning private rooms

Consider the following: Get a legitimate reason to discuss in private with a moderator. Create a room on chat.SE. You are owner of that room and have full rights over it. Locate an active moderator from a site different than the room's for the private talk. Give him owner access. Invite him for...

feature-request status-completed chat

Not an issue, but an intentional design feature. People were abusing old privatized rooms they created to make private chats that go against the spirit

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog yeah but I can't figure what's so special with being RO vs. being just having access to the room.

Fun fact: that's how limited moderation through RO in temporary TL was infeasible back then, when mods getting automatically kicked from the chat room by the system...

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

In the few private room I was part of, I was never made RO and I'm totally fine with it.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizardChasingStars Ability to view deleted messages plus modify the access list themselves (so I could have fixed the issue myself)

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog so you now have private room you can manage? Nice. :D

hehe I can see who posted in that secret room of yours.

Both Tink and Journeyman, and maybe JNat as well though they might have posted in the staff private room.

Sadly it doesn't show the name of the room when it's private. :(

@nicael nope, don't remember ever hearing of any "voting-activity-tracker". I do remember you caused me to lose 20k rep on MSE in few seconds, which was very impressive back in the time. ;)

I do remember someone (think called Pierre) who kept claiming he has a way to see who voted on his posts. Is this related?

@nicael no idea what makes you think it's spam, it's not. Just ordinary MSO crap. lol

Journeyman Geek

11:01 AM

@MetaAndrewT. lol

THAT was 'fun'

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

11:13 AM

@JourneymanGeek as fun as the hammertime here?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars not only do you get de-ROed, you get kicked

which is a bit of a problem when you're setting ROs :D

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek but what's the point of setting RO in mod-only chat???

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars ah full story/

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Any member of the chat have full RO powers and more. lol

Journeyman Geek

We didn't have a mechanism for moderation on the TL

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

11:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek what's "mechanism for moderation"?

Journeyman Geek

and uh... trouble happened so it was moved here and we were working with the CMs to get ROs and so on pending necessary changes to the main TL

@ShadowWizardChasingStars well, mods can't moderate mods

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek so you mean you elected some "super mods" and made them RO to have it known?

And those super mods could delete messages while ~~low level~~ ordinary mods could not? (Well, should not)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars kick people, amongst other things

VERY rare but...

(all this is documented on main meta so... uh... don't shoot me for revealing secrets :D)

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Ideally CM's would moderate mod-only chats.

Journeyman Geek

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Q: New chat moderation tools for the Teachers' Lounge

The Teachers' Lounge (or "TL" for short) is a private chat room that is a dedicated space for the diamond moderators of the Stack Exchange sites to communicate with each other for a variety of reasons. Historically, this room was parented on the Stack Exchange chat "server" (did you know we have ...

discussion chat moderation teachers-lounge private-chat-room

@ShadowWizardChasingStars at the time, CMs didn't really have the uh... moral authority

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

11:19 AM

@JourneymanGeek pity.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars and at the moment, CM work's quite heavily on the back end IMO

There's a certain need for front-enditude to moderate chat

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek huh. But was it ever actually done? Or just a test, never coming to life?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars it very much is how we run things now

We have... annual, I think RO elections

I ran one, and managed to get the CMs to take over cause I really couldn't manage that and the job-o-doom at once

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

11:40 AM

@tripleee already flagged :/

Well time for late lunch. Still not sure what to eat.

considering to eat a @user but looks like it won't suffice

@ShadowWizardChasingStars Pick something with calories, vitamins, minerals and fibers :P

Journeyman Geek

12:19 PM

@ShadowWizardChasingStars food

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Tinkeringbell nah, just sugar and fat is better. Yum yum. :D

@JourneymanGeek for thought?

eating a book

Journeyman Geek

no

for stomach

and mouth

@ShadowWizardChasingStars sugar and fat? I don't think I know of any sugary but also really fatty stuff...

Fried fruit, maybe?

Or any kind of fruit in puff pastry?

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek bread

@JourneymanGeek chocolate

@Tinkeringbell nuts!

Journeyman Geek

12:34 PM

@ShadowWizardChasingStars basically food

@Tinkeringbell the pastry is basically both

@ShadowWizardChasingStars Nuts aren't sugary, are they? And only fat if they're also fried.

Journeyman Geek

the layers are basically cause of fat between dough

also nuts are basically fat and starch

unrelatedly

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@JourneymanGeek Not really, there's no sugar at all in the puff pastry recipes I know.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell hm?

Unless you count the starch as 'sugary' :P

Journeyman Geek

12:35 PM

but the stuff IN the pastry

@Tinkeringbell well, kinda sorta

carbs are carbs

@JourneymanGeek Ah, yes, that's why I mentioned the fruit specifically :D

@JourneymanGeek Not all of them necessarily taste sugary though :P

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek what is it? Your new 128k screen causing all avatars to be blurred due to the super zoom?

Text can be scaled, images less so. :(

woof

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

BTW, @Tink

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Got this at work today ^

Well that sure meets the criteria for sugary

Journeyman Geek

12:37 PM

@ShadowWizardChasingStars playing with github.com/fathyb/carbonyl . I'm amused it runs SE

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Tinkeringbell more fat than sugar, I think. And all already eaten of course. :P

@ShadowWizardChasingStars Marshmallow, dried fruit... and maybe a few nuts. Looks more like sugar than fat to me, but I can't see what's below it :P

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek well, bet SE can "run" in washing machine too, if it would have a browser. :P

@sh true

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Tinkeringbell more kinds of nuts

12:39 PM

it is however the jankiest working way there is

Nuts are fat. :D

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Aibobot yip

But I still trying to gain my lost weight. :D

So I do have a good excuse. ;)

@ShadowWizardChasingStars Oh, I think I found that weight you lost some while back. Want it back? Shipping is kinda expensive though...

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Tinkeringbell mental transfer, please. setting brain to "receive" mode

Sorry. Covid, my brain is still broken :P

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

I believe one day that would be a thing, people sharing things mentally, without having to write or talk. ;)

@Tinkeringbell replace the chip ;)

12:43 PM

@ShadowWizardChasingStars Again, expensive :P

Wish it was that easy, just install some new memory and get rid of all the notes lying around XD

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Anyway, back to my favorite rant... bugs! Looks like they finally starting to fix bugs recently, however they still don't touch the important bugs with new features i.e. new Inbox and even Saves. Plus, they appear to skip the review system, which kind of render it useless.

Guess I should be happy for the bugs that got fixed, that's indeed better than nothing. :D

@Tinkeringbell nah, would be decades before they touch memory, I was thinking more of actual chip, like WiFi chip in phones, that will allow sending and receiving thoughts from other people with the chip.

It won't read the memory, the person sending will have to think of something very specific to "activate" it.

Ugh. That would send butt-dials to a whole new level though. I don't think that's a good idea XD

And it needs a very, very good spam protection for e.g. public transport :P

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Well yeah people who care for their privacy won't really ever use it. :D

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I'm pretty sure with the case of some of my friends, anyone who tries to read their minds would be curled up in a ball and need therapy :D

Until the government decides such a chip would be a good replacement of phone alerts (after all, you can forget your phone, or it runs out of power) in case of disasters. Just like they're now expecting people to get a phone, and want to eventually phase out the noise-sirens.

@JourneymanGeek I mean, it would probably make therapy much more efficient though? No more keeping back from your therapist :P

Just go into the scanner, and it will tell you exactly what pills or other form of therapy you need.

Journeyman Geek

12:55 PM

@Tinkeringbell until the therapists need therapy

even the AI ones

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

lol

@JourneymanGeek ping

@JourneymanGeek I was about to say we could automate so no more humans needing therapy.. I dunno if AI ever will need therapy, or if that would be called 'bug-fixing' :P

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

TherapistGPT

@Aibobot woof

@Tinkeringbell noise-sirens are a totally must to have, in case of real war electricity will be out, and people won't be able to use phones. Sadly nobody really get this. So if some stupid politicians will really remove the sirens, they'll be responsible for the death of great many people when war comes, and the people won't have a way to know missiles are coming. :(

@Tinkeringbell easy, the most expansive pills possible. ;)

Journeyman Geek

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1:03 PM

@ShadowWizardChasingStars Eh, I propose we don't let big pharma code the therapy AI :P

Probably just make it 'open source' so that every one can add the cheapest options :P

And it will end up recommending only walks in nature and cleaning your room ;)

@ShadowWizardChasingStars that was carefree time...

@ShadowWizardChasingStars I'll probably finish that tool and will just show you the results, it would be easier than explaining

are you looking at the effects of the 'invisible' votes?

since you can get the 'rep cap' related badges on per site metas

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Tinkeringbell and drinking those gooey green "super drinks"

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars ... mountain dew?

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Aibobot yeah it was discussed here recently I think, the rep cap badges look for votes, not actual rep gain.

@JourneymanGeek haha, nope. This:

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Homemade stuff

Not sure if it's part of the vegan trend, or something that grew up on its own.

Journeyman Geek

1:11 PM

ah unfiltered pond water. Do you want brain eating amoebae ? That's how you get brain eating amoebae

@Aibobot that voting activity is actually tracked and has been tracked for as long as I can remember; back when I was a beginner web-dev in 2015 I made a basic a tool on a free domain (now terminated) which was built with a purpose to disclose these votes for anyone who's concerned, essentially it provided the same information that reputation tab provides on main sites

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@nicael sure thing!

Journeyman Geek

@nicael I know :D

(aibobot's my alt-account. I was testing something)

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

But more likely you'll just get MIA again before that, for 6-8 years. :D

@JourneymanGeek ah okay then

didn't know that

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

1:13 PM

@JourneymanGeek that's made from some plant, Kale, and with actual leaves from trees.

Think people also adding flowers to it.

as opposed to fake leaves ? :D

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Sadly, that's no joke, people make and drink such things, thinking it cleanse their body.

@Aibobot as opposed to common sense telling us we're humans, not cows, and should not eat such things. :P

@ShadowWizardChasingStars Uggggh! Gross

Meh , most brassica are perfectly fine cooked properly

Shadow-of-the-Shadow's-Shadow

@nicael hello!

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

1:15 PM

Now you know my sock as well. :D

I find "sock" better fitting than "alt account".

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars well true, but its not an account I actually use for anything useful except testing random wierd things

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Aibobot cooked of course, talking about eating raw plants/flowers.

Journeyman Geek

Salads are often fine

just not... blended

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek looks like a long test here, you keep switching between the accounts. ;)

Journeyman Geek

We're omnivores. That's latin for ' we eat whatever we can catch and won't kill us'

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

1:17 PM

@JourneymanGeek yeah, but that's vegetables, not random plants and flowers that otherwise used just to have nice view.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars spinashes are tasty leaves

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek more and more people oppose this and choose to eat only very specific things though.

Journeyman Geek

we eat dried neem flowers, and they are tasty.

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Yeah well, there are exceptions. But those green "super drinks" aren't such exception. :D

hehe and in the meanwhile while we're idly chatting here, Peter worked hard to fix your answer. :P

@JourneymanGeek "catch" or buy in the supermarket? Or is grocery shopping a hunt?

I wonder if I can just use netting, and have collect all groceries at one point instead of walking around the entire shop...

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

1:22 PM

Catch with bare hands, maybe a knife.

Journeyman Geek

1:33 PM

@Tinkeringbell yes

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Shopping is totally the new hunting. It requires bravery and patience, and you risk physical harm.

:D

(e.g. if some heavy package falls on your leg.)

Journeyman Geek

Some say, there is no more savagery than... REBECCA BLACK FRIDAY.

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Not to mention boss fight, i.e. the cashier. :D

What!? It's Black Friday!?

Journeyman Geek

(then again, you can buy stuff online)

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

1:38 PM

@MetaAndrewT. it's Black Friday every Monday, known fact.

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but that's also dangerous... once you start it's hard to stop!

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek no thrill

I'm still waiting for a delivery I ordered online two months ago. Status on the site is still "pending".

(from supermarket!)

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

2:02 PM

That's rare, spammer nuked.

Journeyman Geek

2:22 PM

@ShadowWizardChasingStars maybe a mod saw it :D

a lot of smokey deletions are 'silent'

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@JourneymanGeek well out of those I bother to check, only very very few are deleted, with one exception being MSE.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars I think SU's fairly consistant as well

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

So yeah probably just lucky chance that mod stumbled over the spam and was in a "let's nuke spammers" day.

@JourneymanGeek actually.... from what I can tell, and the reports here, many times the spam is deleted fairly fast but spammer lives on.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardChasingStars we have a mod active on charcoal

and I nuke any that he dosen't get that I see :D

and what I miss...

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

Well I try to remember to ping you next time I see SU spam here and spammer lives on. ;)

2:41 PM

flag-pls spam vaguely written as if user was a woman but avatar and name on network sites is male ... (MS) parenting.stackexchange.com/a/43237

flag-pls spam undisclosed affiliation (MS) gardening.stackexchange.com/a/63768

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

3:05 PM

@JNat another cross site spammer for ya. Thanks!

@tripleee lol man/woman isn't relevant, I've seen legit users doing it. But yeah it was spam and gone now. (Looked on the MS post.)

Think someone even once admitted in a comment something along the lines of "Having female avatar bring me more votes, so why not". :D

(I'm against it, but currently there are also no rules against it as long as it's not trying to impersonate specific actual person.)

@tripleee kaboom!

Spammer has another answer on same site, but appears legit, no link and looks actually useful, so leaving it alone for now.

!!/coffee g3r to wake him up from deep slumber.

@ShadowWizardChasingStars brews a cup of jQuery for @g3r

@SmokeDetector I'll have mine outdated please

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@g3rv4 hmm 1.42 sounds good

OK everyone, think I can safely announce the new Stack Exchange Champion, SEC in short. Any guesses? ;)

3:32 PM

The frontier of computing: Q&A with IBM quantum computing research

Ryan Donovan on February 03, 2023

We chat with Dr. Jeannette (Jamie) Garcia, Senior Research Manager of Quantum Applications and Software at IBM Quantum about their 433 qubit quantum computer and what the real life applications of quantum computing are today.

🚽

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

@Feeds umm it was posted three days ago

Today is Feb 6th.

> Simulating the past and future

Future is easy to predict: world ending due to climate changes. :D

No need for complex quantum machines to tell us the obvious.

Simulating the past can be fun challenge, with zero value of course.

Oh, and the SEC is, of course, Aaron! :P

4:20 PM

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yeah that's nicael-2023 investing time into a design of a tool that gonna be hardly used

waaait

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this looks better

i give you 1000 years to find a diffference

the voting icons

riight

thanks for attention it's time to eat something, I haven't had a breakfast yet and it's 18:24 on the clock (how is it even possible...)

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

I still don't understand what I see, but the design is nice. Kudos!

You made SE clone?

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I’m reviving a tool that I had back then in 2015, right now that’s for fun, but on a long run I do not do anything purely for fun, I’m actually planning to develop a meta for a project I own, it just needs a meta really much, so I’ll reuse this design of mine in my future developments

This is the original tool: stackapps.com/questions/6431/…

Tldr: it’s a replacement for reputation tab on per site metas

A tracker of voting activity in essence

Like, you select a site, a date and type in your user id, and voila

5:38 PM

@ShadowWizardChasingStars is it... @spammer? :D

@ShadowWizardChasingStars I just meant, a man who says he will be breast feeding is unusual

@ShadowWizardChasingStars oh nvm. congrats to aaron!

Shadow Wizard Chasing Stars

5:49 PM

@nicael voila volia vollest! (aka well done, I guess. ;))

@user nope!

@tripleee oh, yeah, well, but still, weirder things exist.

@user yeah pity he's not around though. :(

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9:44 PM

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lmao

pov: you have been taking a dozen of programming/algorihtn-related tutorials and now trying to accommodate into a normal life

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holy shet! blast from past

10:20 PM

There's quark color, but that's not really color--it's just an admission by 20th century physicists that numbers are boring.

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