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Ann Zen

02:44

@rene Thanks! Sorry for the confusion, but my search is working fine. I believe it's the wrong combination of keywords I used :)

rene

07:10

@AnnZen okay, did you find a post that answers your question? Some of those questions relate to specific flags, those might not apply to your case.

→ 36 messages moved to Chimney

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

07:52

@rene Can you please add meta.stackexchange.com/questions/189989/… as a duplicate target to meta.stackexchange.com/q/357542/377214?

rene

No, I don't think that question should have been closed

As a matter of fact, I'm considering re-opening it.

Luuklag

I voted to close as site specific, as this really is about a sites culture

Anyone has a clue about this Q: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/357534/…

My answer was wrong, although I swear at first the two links looked to be different

rene

@Luuklag That ... is understandable but the topic itself is not unique to one site. It can apply to other sites in the network as well.

Luuklag

Yeah, but also I feel this is more about the site specific culture, as Maths has quite a high bar about what they find acceptable, which in turn invokes these sort of comments

although I very much agree with the answers by Tink en Journey

Tinkeringbell

\o/

I don't know much about Maths but I know an overreaction when I see one ;)

Journeyman Geek

08:03

or OP figured a more sympathetic audience here than math meta...

Tinkeringbell

XD Might very well be, as they got the same answer as mine in the comments on Math...

Journeyman Geek

I'm confused why my bengaluru post has so many upvotes ._.

the comment thread is gold though :D

Tinkeringbell

Yep, that was a fun comment thread :)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

08:33

oh no, think I forgot browser open at home. :/

@JourneymanGeek benga who?

oh this?

16

Q: Why exactly is *German* a requirement for a role that is India based?

Amusingly, I'm not actually sure if this goes on meta, but this is probably the place it's most likely to be seen. I was looking through the "work here" page and looking at one of the roles - Enterprise Account Executive, Teams (Bengaluru). While it's not a role I'm personally interested in, I fi...

Because meta crowd love when SE makes silly mistakes like that... ;)

(i.e. some employee copy&paste and forgetting to remove something)

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow10YearsWizard yes. Its also something I feel super wierd about posting about, but its not like I can raise a bug report

Hugo

i'm thrilled that you enjoyed yourself, @Tinkeringbell, that's totally what my goal was

Tinkeringbell

Ah, confirming the first impression marvelously I see... by misinterpreting yet another statement!

That was a reaction to Geek's statement that the comment thread on his Bengaluru post was gold.

Trust me, I do not enjoy wasting my time on comment threads like the one you're thinking of.

Hugo

ah sorry

rene

Oh come on, you're a mod, I thought mods were all-in on drama?

Tinkeringbell

08:48

Nah, we're only for the stuff the community can't handle... drama is something y'all do amazingly well.

rene

Maybe my chat message needs an ;) to prevent getting kicked ....

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JourneymanGeek why weird? And why not bug report?

SE staff used to post feature requests in the past. ;)

134

Q: Hide trivial comments

Update: this particular implementation has been abandoned for now, please help us measure the cost of displaying comments instead. If you look around the internet, you'll find that: 99.9 percent of comments are either spam, off-message or simply wasted electrons.—ithacaindy (Obviously pa...

feature-request status-declined comments

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow10YearsWizard Its very much something handled by part of the company that isn't public facing

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@rene kicking @rene

rene

You can kick me but not my humour. That is universal.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

08:54

@rene I can take hostage though

taking Kenny as hostage

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow10YearsWizard anything to do with the public facing part of the network is fair game

but ehhh

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Well if hidden parts cause problems, it doesn't mean you don't need to take care of those parts...

Journeyman Geek

sure

I just still feel like I'm sticking my nose where it dosen't belong :D

Even if healthy commercial offerings mean, hopefully a healthy public site

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well if it will result in something being fixed and/or improved, it's for the best. :D

@rene can you make a SEDE query for SO that finds "Does this answer your question?" comments on closed questions, with score of more than 2?

Want to verify my best guess for this one...

(that if comment has score of more than X, it won't get auto deleted.)

Tinkeringbell

Wasn't there some sort of bug where flagging adds such a comment, but makes it avoid auto-deletion?

Luuklag

09:06

@Shadow10YearsWizard fixed the S&F link on that post

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell there is opposite bug, that if such auto comment is manually deleted (question isn't closed), and someone cast new close as dupe flag/vote, no comment is made.

Tinkeringbell

Hmm. My best bet still is that one of the comments was perhaps flagged and cleaned up manually XD

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Anyway the OP cast many such flags, and most comments do get auto deleted.

@Luuklag thanks, could do it myself, just wanted to understand the logic behind this. :)

Luuklag

probably some previous revision, I got till HAM

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Luuklag the OP (rand) did it, it's there from first revision.

@ran isn't pingable, only @ren

@Luuklag is the ham tasty?

sdc ham Luuk

Luuklag

09:11

its pretty electric

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'ham'.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

:(

rene

@Shadow10YearsWizard data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/1341939 there are 2 scores, comment and post. which one do you want?

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard meta.stackexchange.com/a/339888/369802 It never was marked status-completed...

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

09:26

@rene forgot critical part... comment must not be edited. But yeah, looks like even some with score of 1 stay.

rene

Must not be edited is a no go. That is not in SEDE

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh... good find! I'll add this to the new bug report.

@rene :(

rene

At best you could check if there is text after the last )

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard Just a sec!

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell why?

The bug report is inside long forgotten answer. It's worthless.

rene

09:30

@Shadow10YearsWizard okay, fixed: data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/1341939 sort of

Tinkeringbell

> meta.stackexchange.com/questions/357534/…

So it may be the same bug but it may also be not...

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Tinkeringbell amazon.com/My-Little-Pony-Crochet-Kits/dp/1684123984

just saying....

Tinkeringbell

They're cuter than some of the other MLP pattern I have...

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

(and this time it is actually crochet!)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell Well, it's a bug, so added the bug tag... and if not same then dev can take a look and see.

@rene thanks!

Tinkeringbell

09:35

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе "Includes everything you need to make these 3" is often disappointing though: That means for the other patterns, you won't have those little applique's they wear on their butts.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Need some advice.... I want to buy a new phone, how is Realme 6 Pro? Anyone know it? It's pretty cheap and has good reviews, but can't be sure.

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow10YearsWizard its another subbrand of BKK

they make oneplus, oppo, vivo....

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JourneymanGeek only heard of Oneplus

And? Is this good or bad they're part of BKK?

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Tinkeringbell the cutie mark is also crocheted, not a sticker if that's what you meant - so that wouldn't be a problem. That said, the comments seems to agree on the fact that you don't even get enough purple yarn to finish Twilight in the first place.

So, seems something you would buy just for the patterns and then you have to buy the materials yourself.

Also, weirdly some claim they include color codes for the other patterns but not for Twilight. One comment claims that after realizing there is not enough purple they had to "guess the color"

Tinkeringbell

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Ah, I see now... it's embroidered, not crocheted. Well that's at least something, but you still need to buy a bunch of embroidery floss XD

I have both sets of 'star wars crochet'. They're fun, but the yarn is generally of a horribly cheap quality (acrylic, super fuzzy, splits when just looking at it), the included hook is often a cheap plastic that breaks by just looking at it... The only real reason to buy such a set is because they don't sell the pattern booklets separately ;)

Journeyman Geek

09:43

@Shadow10YearsWizard oppo is solid too

so its a company with a track record

Tinkeringbell

Your purple yarn reviewer probably doesn't crochet tight enough ;)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

heh, just read about Google case reminding a lot about our Monica-gate...

2

They fired someone who dared to go against them, and now thousands of Google employees demand Google to cancel this.

Journeyman Geek

oh

quite different

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

She even got wiki of her own!

Timnit Gebru

Timnit Gebru is an Eritrean-American computer scientist who works on algorithmic bias and data mining. She is an advocate for diversity in technology and a co-founder of Black in AI, a community of black researchers working in artificial intelligence. Her employment with Google as technical co-lead of the Ethical Artificial Intelligence Team was abruptly ended in December 2020 after she was allegedly forced to retract an academic paper. == Early life and education == Gebru was born and raised in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Her father and two oldest sisters are electrical engineers. Her father died...

@JourneymanGeek reminding a lot

;)

Mainly people who don't know her coming for her aid.

Against "common enemy".

Journeyman Geek

I'd say almost closer to shog, but Shog didn't actually do anything to piss off his employer as far as we know

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

09:55

@JourneymanGeek pretty sure he did, even if not directly.

Tinkeringbell

> In December 2020, Gebru announced that she had been fired by Google after an alleged dispute over a research paper. Google workers started the #ISupportTimnit campaign to stand in solidarity with Gebru. Jeff Dean, Google’s head of AI research, maintains that she resigned voluntarily, though this was disputed by current and former Google employees

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Also, nobody with "reinstate Shog" as a name. ;)

Tinkeringbell

Well, that's the most complicated line that says exactly nothing I have ever seen XD

Facts please!

(that's probably the most relation it has to anything on SE too: A he-said she-said with a bunch of people following the she-said like good sheeple)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell - She wrote a paper that apparently her employer was unhappy with.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well, if someone says to the company "Do this or I quit", the company doesn't do it, and they quit.... it's hardly "resigned voluntarily". :)

Tinkeringbell

09:57

@JourneymanGeek allegedly, yes :)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell the writing of said paper and the disagreement is pretty much agreed on :D

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard It is voluntarily though... You made a choice to leave and use it to threaten first... which is your right, but ...

Journeyman Geek

Google asked her to redact or retract parts of it... its THEN it gets murky

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Well, if that's clear the wikipedia article needs editing.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell if seen black and white then yeah, you're right. :D

Tinkeringbell

09:58

Because right now all it says is that there was an alleged dispute.

Not that there clearly was one.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

But it's not, so you're not right, at least not 100%.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell if there wasn't a dispute she wouldn't have been fired or quit

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

It's in the gray zone.

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard ;) Nothing ever is black and white in these cases, which makes it so easy to accept one side as right and the other as wrong depending on your personal beliefs about right and wrong ;)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@JourneymanGeek good, so I'll buy it. Thanks a lot! :-D

@Tinkeringbell exactly

Tinkeringbell

10:00

@JourneymanGeek You can quit if you think there's a dispute, even though there is none... You should know that, you have seen it while moderating here ;)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

I believe Google will fold and offer her to join back. And find a way to be seen as "the good guys" while doing so.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell you can quit to apply pressure in a dispute

Luuklag

@Shadow10YearsWizard probably playing the diversity card there

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard Meh. I think that's too optimistic. There's too much risk in someone using this when they don't get the promotion they like, for example.

I don't think they'll burn their fingers on that one again.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I don't think this is about money though

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

10:02

@Luuklag they don't need to, I think. They're very diverse already, that's not the case.

Journeyman Geek

Its about principles, and that's a much more dangerous thing

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

The issue she raised was how Google isn't doing enough for environment and protecting AI from making mistakes.

Tinkeringbell

Principles are okay to have, but you can't blame others if you decide to stick to yours.

@JourneymanGeek Still, that requires you to think there is a dispute you need to apply such pressure to.

I only have wikipedia to go by, and it says that all of that is 'alleged', nothing definitive yet :)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Who or what is "Dary"? — P.Mort. - forgot Clay Shirky_q 58 mins ago

lol poor Peter

I know by chance, watched some episodes of the show, but those who didn't... have no way to know.

@Tinkeringbell probably because it's still ongoing....

When dust will settle, editors can put more definite words.

Tinkeringbell

Sure. And only at that point would it be fruitful to even attempt to form an opinion or draw parallels... not while it's still ongoing. That last course of action will only make things more confused, prejudiced and polarized ;)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

10:11

!!/polarize Tink

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'polarize'.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

:(

Tinkeringbell

I would not attempt that either :P

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

10:39

@Tinkeringbell Bingo.

Tinkeringbell

;) I might some day start buying patterns again, but right now I've got so much ideas and patterns lying around, I'll probably be over 80 when I finished them all ;)

b_jonas

Hi all. It looks like I ran into a change of Markdown formatting that used to render properly but doesn't render now and Community didn't edit it. mathoverflow.net/revisions/184693/2

mag

hello

Journeyman Geek

Hi mags

mag

I got reminded of stack on twitter a few days ago and realized I haven't checked in in a long time

waves

b_jonas

10:45

Looks like if you embed an image with an exclamation sign in a paragraph that starts with <p> or <hr>, the image doesn't show up. But it did show up in the post before my edit, in the cached HTML formatted version.

Journeyman Geek

@b_jonas good idea to post on meta pointing it out

b_jonas

@JourneymanGeek I will, but I want to ask if this is known already.

Journeyman Geek

the migration to commonmark has been a while so probably as a new question

b_jonas

Maybe there's already a post.

Tinkeringbell

@b_jonas If there is, meta.stackexchange.com/q/348746/369802 might be a good place to start checking if it's there.

@mag Hiii! how are you? :)

b_jonas

10:50

in MathOverflow on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 mins ago, by Martin Sleziak

3

A: Why don't images show up in a post?

This may be a bug caused by the recent migration to CommonMark, and indeed it seems to be related to the large amount of HTML (I've encountered similar issues while trying to fix broken images across the network). I've fixed it by adding an extra newline between          ...

mag

@Tinkeringbell busy

Tinkeringbell

@mag :D Good busy or bad busy?

b_jonas

@Tinkeringbell I'll post under that then, thanks.

Tinkeringbell

@b_jonas Eh, a new question is fine too.

If it's not there yet, by now a new post is more likely to get attention than yet another answer.

b_jonas

@Tinkeringbell Ok.

mag

10:57

@Tinkeringbell medium busy

I kind of forgot all about SE aside from using SO for programming issues

Seems like I managed to miss some layers of the disappointment sandwich

Tinkeringbell

@mag Nooo, how could you forgot about all of us! :P

@mag I don't know, I think the only thing you might've missed was the thing that mods need to be 18 now, and I don't know how disappointed you'd be over that. Opinions are kinda divided, from 'makes sense and I'm glad my PII is kept this safe' to 'legal BS that shows how much SE has changed'. Both are probably true :)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@mag who's to blame?

@mag I miss your cactus days.... why did you stop being one?

!!/coffee Nihar

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard brews a cup of Americano for @Nihar

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Maybe this is the way to lure chat newcomers to join us? :D

Nihar Karve

11:12

I like the bot scene here :D

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell from the existing responses, it's 99% against the decision.

@NiharKarve one bot, lots of coffee. And spam. :)

If you want pure fun bots, you can visit Den... ;)

b_jonas

meta.stackexchange.com/q/357552/222298 posted

@Tinkeringbell @JourneymanGeek thanks for the help.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@b_jonas +1

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard Divided doesn't mean equally divided :P I've seen comments and posts that point out the legal perspective makes sense, so there's a divide ;)

@b_jonas Nice circles!

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell true. But those with unpopular opinion are probably afraid to post it.... :-O

Tinkeringbell

11:19

@Shadow10YearsWizard Might be. Anyone that thinks this change makes sense seeing that post and how so many people are disappointed may very likely shut their mouth.

Anyway, for me, both are true. It's a step away from 'old' SE (that I never really knew except from rumors and old Meta posts) which may be disappointing and it's a change that makes sense from a legal perspective to me.

It's also fun to observe that often, once the more moderate expressions of disappointment/disagreement are posted here and have gotten plenty of upvotes... people try to jump on the bandwagon with their less nuanced, less polite posts XD

"Let's just make this a bit worse, people definitely disagree so I can probably get some rep too by exaggerating just a tiny bit more!"

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell or in my case, put this under much more review. Which isn't completed yet. Initially I was going to say "It's a good change, SE was right", but reading the answers posted by people I know and trust saying the opposite.... raise lots of internal doubts.

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard Two things can be 'right' at the same time ;) In this case, the one doesn't exclude the other. The change is good, and from a legal perspective, probably right. The change is also something a legal department that no one really likes here came up with :P

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

..... and it started snowing....

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well, if it was a requirement from the beginning, there wouldn't be any problem. But it wasn't...

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе what, the winterbash countdown?

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

... as in, pre-Snowdrop snowing .....

Tinkeringbell

11:30

@Shadow10YearsWizard It apparently was, but no one put it black on white, they just assumed it was there :P

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Shadow10YearsWizard nope, here.

Tinkeringbell

Nice! Here it's been rain for the past two weeks

Maybe three, even.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

1 min ago, by Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

... as in, pre-Snowdrop snowing .....

... as in.... little ice-marbles falling down ....

Tinkeringbell

Hail stones?

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

that's the pessimist name. I'm sure our government will call it "cozy winter snow"

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

11:32

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе oh, IRL... nice! No snow here.... :(

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе lol

@Tinkeringbell never saw anything even hinting there's age requirement for mods, before this month...

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

so, while we are at it, just a random question for the room. Does anyone in here know anything about Servicenow?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Not me...

> Revenue: 3.46 billion USD (2019)

mag

@Tinkeringbell Time and distance

Also something else to occupy my time

Hugo

I'm not able to delete my question -- I regret asking it, and mainly I don't want to receive notifications about it anymore. do I have any options here?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

11:51

@Hugo yes, flag it asking to disassociate from your account.

Hugo

thanks for the advice @Shadow10YearsWizard -- I just did so

b_jonas

@Tinkeringbell In this post they're just a meme, since I need some kind of example image, but in normal posts I like the idea of hand-drawn red circles scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12235/4918

Rob

12:11

@Shadow10YearsWizard Kenny's got JLo on Lonely.

@Tinkeringbell Bandwagon brownnosing should have a flag.

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow10YearsWizard Nope, that's true. There's old post saying there aren't any, that age doesn't matter ;) Still... if legal didn't know that, they would have just assumed otherwise XD

@mag I hope whatever is occupying your time is mostly good :)

@b_jonas Yep, I understand :)

Luuklag

I'm amazed how many upvotes my answer(s) on the table announcement keep on getting.

Tinkeringbell

It has meme value :P

Rob

'Cuz it's Table SAdvanced.

Journeyman Geek

12:40

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Its a less terrible service desk software people don't hate that much

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

13:03

@JourneymanGeek heard something about it recently, and the picture I got from that is.... that it seems to be WORSE than SharePoint.

development hell

Journeyman Geek

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе One word

Jira

Tinkeringbell

@Hugo First off, see meta.stackexchange.com/a/96746/369802 (which says to use the contact us link), but also see the first line of meta.stackexchange.com/a/317513/369802 ... which would be applicable to your account as well.

That's the fast way.

Journeyman Geek

@Hugo might seem harsh but - I'd advice never saying anything you'd regret on meta. In some cases its worth saying stuff folks may disagree with, but that needs one to read the room.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

13:24

@JourneymanGeek development seems based on unpackaged files that you store in various places on the server. There is no apparent way to manage those files externally - they live in the server. As such, I think there is no concept of source control and/or history/versioning.

SharePoint at least has solutions that you can deploy.

Code editor is in-browser jsfiddle like, poor intellisense and error detection.

Seems there is something they call "updateset", but not even close to a branch - whatever change a dev makes, it is visible real time on the whole instance.

Seems very primitive, but that is what some people told me. Wanted to confirm is that is really the case or it is just not fully using every feature that is available.

Developing under those condition as a team seems quite... annoying from what I understood.

Rob

13:45

@rene, looking at that user's oldest post I see that you misdetected. Checking a different post, where your detection is correct, I see that a simple copy/paste into the answer box below doesn't generate a new table. --- While detecting old hacks is good you'll need to exclude 'old hacks that are new legal' (and thus don't need updating) along with excluding misdetections.

--- It look like the minimum legal is "|" as first and last character on the first line, and "| -" plus " |" ending on the second line - the remaining either works or terminates the table.

rene

it is not 100% watertight

Rob

Reference your answer: meta.stackexchange.com/a/357556/282094

^ True.

rene

Maybe I need to add that disclaimer?

That allows @Glorfindel to top my answer that does implement a full parser ;)

Rob

SE's table parsing is very loose too; illegal might be accepted and various fluff will just make a mess. --- If only they could have implemented MathJax tables (only, not the rest of MathJax), then there'd be no code to write or errors to deal with - it would just work, and render pretty.

Currently what some people do is go to a site that accepts MathJax, make their table in MathJax, screenshot it, copy the MathJax, then return to the non-MathJax site and upload the screenshot, adding the MathJax that was copied as an HTML comment - which allows it to be easily substituted for the image if the site later enables MathJax - whew.

2 days ago, by Glorfindel

no, we just need @rene

Backpatting loop detected.

rene

14:06

@Rob ah, cumbersome but nice workaround.

Rob

Pretty, and if the table needs modification it's easy to copy/paste back and forth; to update the image and HTML comment.

Powerful too, with various types of alignment, table lines, shading and colours.

rene

14:57

→ 15 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@rene sorry, looks like we don't understand each other in the zombie chat profile bug.

I think it's a bug, and a duplicate.

But, as a side note, agree it might be by design.

rene

I think we now find out we've never understood each other ....

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Well, lots of ice cream! :D

TL;DR: don't think it should be reopened, unless I'm missing something here...

The user in the new case has about 1100 messages, the user in the older report has over 10k messages.

rene

@Shadow10YearsWizard ok, fair enough. I was more trying to see if we would fancy 100 similar reports. My gut said no but couldn't find an argument, except my own distaste for it

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

If a developer will one day delete the chat profile(s) it's awesome, but won't fix the bug.

@rene oh. Well, all those 100 will be closed as duplicates, same as "Please force users to leave a comment when downvoting".

rene

15:06

okay, fine with me then, cleaning comments then

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Queenie Goldstein

@Shadow10YearsWizard This would have a very much political meaning in my country LOL

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@QueenieGoldstein ?

Man mopping a floor with a flower?

Queenie Goldstein

@Shadow10YearsWizard yeah...Man cleaning is also a political figure, the flower is political as well

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Well looked for a flower mopping a floor but didn't find, that's the alternative. ;)

Queenie Goldstein

15:10

funnily, both are from political rivals xD

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@QueenieGoldstein really?? how so? lol

Queenie Goldstein

@Shadow10YearsWizard The user is ME!

Rob

15:40

@Shadow10YearsWizard The flower might be a pink dandelion.

Apparently it's Summer Clean-up, but it could be manly flowers.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

16:16

@QueenieGoldstein hmm? Where?

@Rob the mop is more purple than pink

@Rob goes well with manly hands.

Rob

@Shadow10YearsWizard Seems distant from Pansy purple.

CollinB

17:29

Anyone care to help me out with a quick question? Don't think it's worth writing a question on meta, just want some clarity

Tinkeringbell

Don't ask to ask ;) Just ask :P

CollinB

Already typing :)

rene

CollinB is still typing....

Tinkeringbell

... takes a while, must not be such a quick question after all ...

CollinB

Regarding the recent rules on mods being required to be 18 or older - I'm a little confused. The post I immediately saw specifically referenced diamond moderators as the ones that must now be age verified. However, the policy linked referred, rather specifically to diamond, just to moderators in general. Is this the case, or does the new policy only affect diamond moderators?

Quick, I'm just a poor typer

Tinkeringbell

17:32

Only diamonds ;)

Technically, the ones without diamonds are just users doing some moderation tasks :P

CollinB

Figured that was the case, thanks for the clarification.

Tinkeringbell

no problem :)

rene

The confusion between diamonds and users with moderation privileges isn't uncommon.

Tinkeringbell

And who's fault is that? :P

rene

I blame Meta ;)

Tinkeringbell

17:39

That's a good thing to blame. :) Can't really defend itself :P

Ollie

@Tinkeringbell Who speaks on it's behalf?

Looks like someone's been serial voting...

Tinkeringbell

@Ollie Let's hope no-one does ;)

Because that would give it a way to defend itself

Ollie

*rubs hands together*

CollinB

Wondering whether it might be worth it to suggest a slight wording rework on the linked policy - if it's not just me reading it poorly, others may be confused that it doesn't specifically reference diamond moderators, so some clarification could help.

user400654

i mean

CollinB

17:45

On the other hand, I suppose the vast majority of non-diamond "moderators" will likely just wait and see what happens

user400654

the entire thing is based around the moderator agreement

which you aren't presented to sign as a non-moderator

so... I don't get the confusion

CollinB

....managed to miss that part, I guess? (back to that part where I could just be a horrible reader)

user400654

> As of 2 December 2020 we established a policy requiring all moderators to be at least 18 years of age. Because the Moderator Agreement is considered a legal contract and minors can not legally be held by the agreement, we need to set this policy in place.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@rene you mean @Meta no? ;)

CollinB

Yep, just me then

user400654

17:50

there being 2 posts about it might be causing that problem

the Questions about the change post is the one that's receiving all the attention, not the one where that text is

Feeds

Measuring developer productivity

Ryan Donovan on December 07, 2020

Defining and measuring programmer productivity is one of the most difficult parts of an engineering manager or CTO’s job description. When everything you do is intangible, how should you measure it? Can it be measured at all?

Meta Andrew T.

@Feeds depends on how many diamonds they can produce.

hide again

user400654

🚽

Tinkeringbell

@MetaAndrewT. Does 2 make me more or less productive? :P

user1271772

18:19

Possible serial downvoter several (or all?) of Ollie's answers 51 minutes ago (and maybe other things too, but I can't see). Also I can be totally wrong. Just bringing this to attention.

Tinkeringbell

Ollie already did so.

38 mins ago, by Ollie

Looks like someone's been serial voting...

user1271772

Ok

bye

Tinkeringbell

In general, I prefer it if people bring their own serial voting towards us with flags, but not raise flags on other people's behalf... so I deleted my previous comment suggesting to wait and flag, as that's only relevant for Ollie.

rene

I just hate tables. That's all

Tinkeringbell

The four-legged kind? Or the markdown kind?

DavidPostill

18:23

You missed the times kind

Tinkeringbell

And the database kind :)

Mithical

19:12

@CollinB "moderators" almost always refers to diamond mods. The confusion arises mostly from the "access moderator tools" privilege at 10k, which dates back to when those users could see flags. Since they can no longer see flags, and it's confusing, we should probably just abandon the moderator wording there and reserve the term for diamonds.

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Luuklag

19:56

I swear this was discussed before, perhaps as part of the markdown editor swap: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/357577/… but can't find it.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Tinkeringbell Not to mention Exce$%&@@!!

Hugo

@Tinkeringbell I don't mind that my name is attached to it. I am not ashamed for asking my question. I just don't want to think about my question anymore or see notifications about it anymore. I also don't want to delete my account because there are questions I do want associated with my account

Luuklag

@Hugo you can delete only your MSE account

there are no other questions linked there.

Hugo

Ah I see. Can I recreate it later?

Luuklag

@πάνταῥεῖ That's such a marvelous piece of software. I program loads of things in it.

@Hugo Yes, deletion does take a day or to, but after that you can recreate just as easily.

πάντα ῥεῖ

20:00

@Luuklag Shudder

Hugo

Thank you, I might do that

πάντα ῥεῖ

That's something for Chult'hus apprentices.

^forgot where to place the apostrophe correctly

Luuklag

Well that's how far my programming skills reach, apart from dancing with the <strike> devil </strike> sql

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Luuklag So you see: All your magic ends here ;-D

Luuklag

Yup, HTML aint one of them

although I do happen to fix some display bugs on the site by tweaking the HTML/CSS

but thats more common sense and trial and error then anything else

anyone can be a web developer these days with the dev tools on your browser

John Dvorak

20:15

SQL isn't so bad, as long as you don't try to use it directly

πάντα ῥεῖ

20:32

I generally prefer to generate good datasources for Excel tables, either in form of CSV, or live connectable Database Links (e.g. a Stored Procedure).

Mithical

@πάνταῥεῖ (Cthulhu, no apostrophe. The apostrophe is in "R'lyeh")

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Mithical Ah, ty. My Lovecraft is a bit rusty.

Mithical

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Mithical Shhshshsh

Mithical

Iä! Iä!

πάντα ῥεῖ

20:36

ducks anxiously

Luuklag

@πάνταῥεῖ I currently have an excel with about 25 tabs, of which most are data sources

and then a exrementload of VBA to make things calculate

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

One thing I do love about posting bugs and feature requests as answers: you get notified of changes to status tags, as they're considered substantive body edits rather than tag-only edits

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Luuklag You should talk to your backend guys. In my experience building business logic into DB management functionalty is bad, but SPs for reporting and calculation are great. Easlily customizable, fast (in best case with cached results), and snapshot access to all the DB's live data. Also most SQL driven servers allow to define cubes for drilling into various dimensions. All that stuff is definitely not a job for VBA.

Luuklag

@πάνταῥεῖ I am that guy xD

And this is supposed to be an alpha test version

real dev will be outsourced

πάντα ῥεῖ

Well, Mhhhm'key

Luuklag

20:49

I just happen to know a bit of programming, and have the domain specific/scientific knowledge to make something functional

πάντα ῥεῖ

Yeah, sure. Domain specific knowledge is crucial for that job.

SQL Views, and SP's aren't rocket science, and way easier to understand than VBA IMO.

Luuklag

Its supposed to calculate the impact of applications of pesticides in a location specific way

VBA just takes some getting used to, but other then that its fairly easy IMO. It's abit like you would write normal text

And I find it quite easy to debug

(most of the time)

πάντα ῥεῖ

So a set of formulas bound to a location more or less?

Luuklag

Yeah, but that location comprising of about 25 parameters

and having about 20 endpoints

per application of pesticide

πάντα ῥεῖ

I see.

Luuklag

20:52

with a scheme that could include as much as 100 pesticides

and then ofcourse the interaction between them, and in time

luckily we could base a lot off of an existing model

πάντα ῥεῖ

Sounds like a halfway simulation engine.

At least suitable for data training.

Luuklag

Yeah more or less. I need to calculate time ranges etc.

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