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@PM2Ring "wait for them to notice it" - there's whole tech industry around it, but SE choose to have zero efforts on that, as their QA is us. So the chance a developer will stumble on a bug is near zero as well. I believe they run some tests and check stuff before publishing, in the dev environment, but obviously not in all platforms and devices, so they miss a lot.

Journeyman Geek

9:45 AM

(and if you were an 80s kid, better chance than not that that's stuck in your head :D)

Journeyman Geek

10:00 AM

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SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek Pampuru pimpuru pam pom pum

Journeyman Geek

10:15 AM

@SPArcheon This is PRECISELY what I mean :D

SPArcheon

10:54 AM

@JourneymanGeek lame disney show VS Japanese anime magical girl?

Journeyman Geek

.....

Gummy bears was not lame

PM 2Ring

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda SE - taking the "urance" out of "quality assurance".

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I'm annoyed that this change to the UI was rolled out without adequate tests to ensure that it's responsive on phones (apart from iPhones). But I'm baffled that it was rolled out at the end of business hours, New York time. — PM 2Ring 4 mins ago

If they were sensible, they'd do the initial roll-out of UI changes on ux.stackexchange.com Those guys would find any problems pretty quickly. ;)

Journeyman Geek

Well in theory if they're ok with having the resources to fix stuff once we QA Q&A ... :D

that can be a win

SPArcheon

@PM2Ring someone said in a now deleted post (blame the dog for the deletion):

> We learned (or were painfully reminded, rather) to never ship at 6 PM (EDT) on a Friday. We didn’t follow that rule last week and as a result there was a lot of confusion over the weekend. Even more, this weekend was a religious holiday observed by many on the site. We’re sorry for the confusion and uneasiness that caused

Mithical

@PM2Ring In theory, they roll stuff out to MSE and MSO before anything else.

Journeyman Geek

11:02 AM

@SPArcheon Its not me anymore :D

I'm a regular user

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@PM2Ring rofl!! One of the best.

PM 2Ring

@SPArcheon Yeah, I was painfully reminded of that incident.

Journeyman Geek

and even if I was, generally I wouldn't delete a post like that

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@Mithical I think those design changes are rolled to all sites in same time. No?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda nope

PM 2Ring

11:04 AM

I first saw this Search bug on MSE & MSO. It took a little while to propagate.

Journeyman Geek

MSE and SO first in theory, then elsewhere

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@PM2Ring ah, but it's automatic, nobody really review it.

SPArcheon

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@PM2Ring It's broken on my iPhone too, what are you messing about?

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

Or someone does by checking MSO/MSE still running after the change, marking "V" somewhere, and that is it, it's going to all sites.

SPArcheon

11:06 AM

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PM 2Ring

On my iPhone 13 running iOS 15.4.1 and Safari, the menu looks fine. — robjohn 8 hours ago

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@SPArcheon but it's not Friday now, so they can deploy at any hour.

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@PM2Ring Broken on 11 Pro.

Different screen sizes.

Think 13 has a bigger one.

Physical size, not pixel count.

Meh, unsure.

PM 2Ring

robjohn is a mod on Math.SE. He also hosts the MathJax bookmarklets we use to render MathJax in chatrooms.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact yup. The bug has nothing to do with mobile device, as far as I can see, I just resized my screen with desktop PC and got the bug.

So it will "work" on mobile device with a wide screen.

SPArcheon

11:09 AM

Option A) Pay employees to do the testing
Option B) Have the users do the test and bug reports. If you are lucky some idiots may even waste their time to debug it for you and post the solution

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That's a fairly basic thing to mess up...

PM 2Ring

It's complicated because phones typically "lie" about their screen resolution. So we now have the concept of CSS pixels vs screen (or physical) pixels.

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It's not so complicated if all it took was to just resize a desktop browser's window. That's fairly basic debugging.

PM 2Ring

Yep

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But hey, why even do basic debugging when one can make others do it for free?

Can't wait until developers start having medical equipment debugged this way.

"I'd like to report a bug in my pacemaker"

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

11:12 AM

Looks like the magic happens at 645px - then the search is fine. Below that, kaput.

SE just assume all the users have wide screens. Fair.

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Then they would have filled all that whitespace, so they don't.

PM 2Ring

There are a bunch of ways for a site to determine the size, resolution, orientation etc of a browser window. But there are subtle differences between browsers, so there are occasional corner cases where something works properly on most browsers, but behaves differently on some browsers.

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At this point, I would assume they assume all and nothing. None makes sense.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda as a 4k/27 inch user.... no they don't

PM 2Ring

It's not as bad as it was back in the old "browser wars" days. But some quirks persist.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

11:14 AM

@PM2Ring I think SE just use CSS rules and let the browser handle the size detection, but not sure, need to dig into the source CSS to know better. (i.e. they don't serve different CSS based on different resolution.)

PM 2Ring

Microsoft used to be the worst offender at interpreting standards differently, so that sites created using their tools looked great on IE but were usually broken in some way in other browsers.

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Yes, I bought a new car just to browse SE sites in.

PM 2Ring

The days, Apple seems to be the winner at being quirky.

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda If I tell my Samsung phone to display the "Desktop site" I get quite a different page. It's not just simple responsive rendering.

But I'm not about to dive into the SE page source code on my phone...

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact that's not SE sites there, though. ;)

SPArcheon

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact AECL did that, even got some "it killed me" bug reports.

Therac-25

The Therac-25 is a computer-controlled radiation therapy machine produced by Atomic Energy of Canada Limited (AECL) in 1982 after the Therac-6 and Therac-20 units (the earlier units had been produced in partnership with Compagnie générale de radiologie (CGR) of France).The Therac-25 was involved in at least six accidents between 1985 and 1987, in which patients were given massive overdoses of radiation.: 425 Because of concurrent programming errors (also known as race conditions), it sometimes gave its patients radiation doses that were hundreds of times greater than normal, resulting in death...

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

11:22 AM

@PM2Ring probably that also sends header with some minimum screen size, to make the site think it's not mobile.

PM 2Ring

It's pretty easy to have different stuff displayed via media queries. Eg,

^ Click to open in a new tab. Then rotate your phone

Journeyman Geek

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact hm, Masarati?

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

rotating the monitor of desktop PC and wondering why nothing changed

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@SPArcheon Fun!

@JourneymanGeek There are many cars that have such.

Elements In Space

Fun fact: The word “Pixels” is an abbreviation of “Picture Elements”.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

11:27 AM

@ElementsInSpace so, basically an atom.

making nuke out of pixels

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact not my car. :(

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Old car.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact 2009, she's only 14. Teenager!

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda No! She's too young for you! Did nobody ever tell you how inappropriate this is?!

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

(think she will have b-day somewhere in August)

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bump-day? The day you drive the route that results in the most road bumps?

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

11:32 AM

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact ah, this explain all the weird sounds she makes recently. :D

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact rofl! Yeah, exactly! :P

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Oh, dear

PM 2Ring

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda That's not a great abbreviation...

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

Well she did over half million kilometers by now.

PM 2Ring

See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet

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B-day!

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

11:34 AM

@PM2Ring oh, but I love bidet, even though I don't have any. Used it only when travelling abroad. :D

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

throws a bicycle on @Shad

Andreas moved to Codidact

So you'll install a bidet in the driver's position?

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact that can be excellent idea! You can save extra few minutes in the morning this way.

turns the bi-cycle into uni-cycle and throwing back on @Pet

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Just make sure you install proper piping.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact of course, this will be used for the wipers, and also save the need to refill their water every time.

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

11:37 AM

turns the unicycle into an airplane and flies around

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@PM2Ring Rotated my laptop, nothing happened.

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact report a bug

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@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Good water-saving techniques.

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact rofl

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact I know. Thanks!

PM 2Ring

11:50 AM

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Oh well. Does anything happen if you change the aspect ratio of the browser window?

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@PM2Ring Yes. :P

PM 2Ring

Phew!

IIRC, on Windows there's a hotkey to tell the graphics system to rotate everything so you can use the screen in portrait mode. I expect that the orientation media query would detect that.

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Wait, no. I tried changing the aspect ratio with a hammer, now there's no picture anymore.

Journeyman Geek

12:06 PM

@PM2Ring I think its a driver thing, win arrow was an intel shortcut

@ShadowWizardLoveZelda A bidet shower was the first thing I installed (after the AC) when I got my keys

I'm looking at a toilet seat model in future

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

12:44 PM

@PM2Ring I opened DevTools to the side and resized it so that the browser page dimensions are more like phone. Then I saw the effect. Good job! ;)

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact lol

How's things going on Codidact?

Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

1:32 PM

@PetəíŕdTheLinuxWizard probably very didactic.

Petəíŕd The Linux Wizard

lol

Elements In Space

2:38 PM

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Shadow Wizard Love Zelda

3:14 PM

@Spevacus yeah, considered to edit and vote to reopen as well. Anyway voted now. My downvote was because OP re-posted exact same question, instead of editing, but looks like they're just confused.