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Journeyman Geek

00:38

Why the we? :D

I'm ROing this room and am making a polite request with a little extra bite

Anyway, I popped in here to share this

Starship

@JourneymanGeek What are you trying to share

Journeyman Geek

Look closer :D

Starship

@JourneymanGeek O

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

Starship

Seems like it should be reported as a bug

Journeyman Geek

00:40

I don't think I can repro it

Just thought it was funny

If it happens again, sure

Spevacus

00:59

That's an odd occurrence lol

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Journeyman Geek

06:37

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M.A.R.

I just hope people do look up the numbers a bit. I realize statistics are worse than damned lies but to claim 100 million Americans don't have proper healthcare because the US military is busy preventing a nuclear war is quite a bit far from reality

Unless people are trolling me, in which case, go on

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. Naw, the US just sucks in general at keeping people from dying needlessly :D

I forgot about the bug where if you move too many posts, the chat front end dosen't refresh ._.

M.A.R.

07:22

@JourneymanGeek RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE

I WILL NOT BE SILENCED

@JourneymanGeek Hunh?

Journeyman Geek

lol

@M.A.R. if you move a few hundred posts the page dosen't update sometimes

Problem is that only happens when things go horribly wrong

M.A.R.

It seems pretty up-to-date to me?

Anyway, the internet is pretty poisonous right now. Trolls belonging to all sides of every conflict in the world are stoking real people's passions and making cool-headed open-minded argumentation pretty difficult

You can't moderate that. Sure trolls can't usually get here because of the 20-rep barrier, but how they have affected our minds has already changed what we think and how we think it.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. You do realise, I'm 1) a stubborn idiot 2) Firecely protective of these places :D

I can't save the world. I can try to keep my patches of the internet safe :D

M.A.R.

If bloody Honduras of all places are manipulating their people to vote for their authoritarian party in the elections, what chance do people have of discussing the most controversial issue in the world right now?

Gotta drive. BBL

Journeyman Geek

Just cause the world's gone mad, means we need to

M.A.R.

07:46

@JourneymanGeek Haha Freudian slip

Journeyman Geek

>_>

MADNESS

*dosen't mean we need to

M.A.R.

I know for a fact that a great many pro-Israeli trolls are out there. I've also encountered some pro-Hamas trolls (not misguided teenagers or anything, legit trolls), but their English has consistently been worse so they're not that effective

Pro-Russia trolls, my goodness, pray you don't encounter one

There are probably no pro-American trolls because the average American neckbeard can do the trolling for free

All that big Mac energy

I mean you can drop a pro-gun control comment virtually anywhere on the internet and some gunhead will definitely show up

Let's see, there are also pro-Ukraine trolls, though also not that prevalent because the average person fluent in English condemns Russia's special military invasion freely and for free. Some French far-right trolls, some neo-Nazis though to be fair they're some of the oldest and most traditional denizens of the internet

Some pro-Bolsonaro trolls, a sizeable number of Chinese trolls, how could I forget!

Does that cover everything?

Oh, and @Andreas

Now we've covered everything.

I haven't encountered Iranian trolls. Maybe because of the language barrier. Iran has been a pariah online since forever so taking a stance against Iran isn't brave or particularly controversial.

I vaguely recall some Saudi trolls when the spirit of the poor chopped up journalist was haunting Western media, or maybe they were just genuinely lost souls.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. I'm an equal opportunity troll nuker tho

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek the likelihood of one entering the Tavern is very slim. It's (almost?) always been a regular feeling a little upbeat.

But as I said, since covid at least, they've reshaped online discourse. It was bad before that of course. One might even say it all started with Zuck or something

And I'm not being alarmist, you know how much I hate being the doomer

The age-old trolls were the politicians of course. It's obvious when you listen to Biden beat around the bush about one important question or another. But they've taken "prevention is better than the cure" to heart.

Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk

I'm mostly just rambling because it's hot inside the car and cold outside

Journeyman Geek

08:05

WHO IS TED?

WHY IS HE TALKING?

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek Ticklish Educated Dinosaur

* any resemblance to real-life events and people is purely coincidental.

Journeyman Geek

...

WHO EDUCATED THE DINOSAUR?

M.A.R.

He just talked a lot to chatGPT

Journeyman Geek

08:18

Oh, so that's why he's extinct

PM 2Ring

How are we defining "troll"? To me, a troll is someone who's primarily trying to cause discord. They don't really believe in what they say. They just say stuff designed to provoke a reaction, and to get other people to behave badly.

OTOH, there's the Righteously Indignant True Believer, who does believe in what they're saying. I think the latter is far more dangerous, and you need different tactics to deal with trolls vs True Believers. Of course, simply banning them or deleting their posts works in either case. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@PM2Ring Small funny looking creatures. strange, brightly coloured gravity defying hair.

M.A.R.

@PM2Ring that's exactly how I'm defining it. Since something like 2013, countries have had trained armies of trolls sowing discord online. The most jarring example was the Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

PM 2Ring

@JourneymanGeek Talking to ChatGTA won't kill you, usually. But it may turn your brain to mush, or at least undermine your critical thinking skills

Journeyman Geek

@PM2Ring there's literally people who've killed themselves cause of chatbots

also, chat GTA :D

Elements In Space

08:26

M.A.R.

Facebook's leaked documents from 2021 indicate they knew about it too.

Twitter also must have.

PM 2Ring

@JourneymanGeek Originally from Nordic mythology...

Journeyman Geek

@ElementsInSpace AHH TROLLS

M.A.R.

But they were too busy making profit to do something substantial about it.

Journeyman Geek

@PM2Ring weren't they meaner and ornarier?

M.A.R.

08:27

@JourneymanGeek small? Troll, not goblin

Trolls are usually big.

Sometimes really very big

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. that's how they troll ya

PM 2Ring

@JourneymanGeek Yes, I know. That's why I added the "usually"

M.A.R.

@ElementsInSpace they are staring right into my soul

Elements In Space

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M.A.R.

@PM2Ring the RITB I can deal with. They tend to have real lives, and with a few exceptions, don't systematically invade various online circles to enforce that a certain view is popular, or to make others doubt their own beliefs etc.

They've been around since Athens was a city at least.

PM 2Ring

08:32

@M.A.R. Ok. They usually can't be convinced that they're wrong, though. OTOH, while they do try to convince others, they generally don't use the troll tactic of trying to make others doubt their own beliefs.

M.A.R.

@PM2Ring the new wave of propaganda-spreading trolls take your most extreme views and make you think they're the norm and you're wrong for thinking they're extreme.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. I'm pretty sure quite a few troublesome users who've been here are that

they're tiring to deal with

M.A.R.

For example, if you're an American who likes to own guns, a Propaganda-Spewing Troll will make socks, create pages, discussions and what-not to make it seem like everyone knows Sandy Hook was staged and they were crisis actors.

PM 2Ring

@ElementsInSpace I remember when Troll Dolls first became a craze here in Australia, in the early-mid 1960s. I had one with bright green hair.

M.A.R.

Erin Kissane wrote about the Facebook fiasco in Myanmar. Worth a read, though it's depressing.

Especially the third part where it says FB bigwigs, including Zuck, knew long before the 2016 US election that there are state-sponsored armies of trolls out there faking stuff en masse and contributing to the crackdown on the Rohingya people, long before the real genocide itself took place

Elements In Space

08:37

@PM2Ring I think I had one or two, in the 90’s.

Andreas condemns Israel

@M.A.R. I’ll take your mention as an honourable gesture at me only playing troll on non-serious matters. :)

M.A.R.

Help yourselves: erinkissane.com/meta-in-myanmar-full-series

So you open a Reddit post, or an XXX thread, and you see a comment that makes your ears smoke. Check the user, you'll see their first two or three comments/replies and posts are kitten gifs, and the next three dozen are about Taiwan. Congratulations, you just found an account that belongs to someone paid by the Chinese government.

Elements In Space

I remember this one in particular:

PM 2Ring

08:52

@M.A.R. Paid trolls are definitely worse than the amateurs who are just trolling for the lulz. The amateurs may have more tricks because they've been doing it for years. But the paid trolls have more incentive to troll. And if they burn out, they're easily replaced.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. :honestly, most gun nuts I know ... tend to be ok? :D

@M.A.R. lol. I see that and raise, or lower you... propaganda spammers

Journeyman Geek

10:48

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Elements In Space

@JourneymanGeek thank you.

Starship

@JourneymanGeek Why was I kicked?

Journeyman Geek

I don't really think a pinned message is needed when everyone involved is aware of the other room

If you want to talk about the current mid east conflict, and such, use the other room.

Also, if anyone's being too trolly or intentionally trying to get a rise out of people, flags work

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek that's sorta my point. People are normal, they don't start out radicalized.

Journeyman Geek

I mean, there's one guy who is literally the gun equivilent of me

does obscure stuff, and tends so like the strange and generally overlooked

M.A.R.

11:00

@PM2Ring amateurs, experts and enthusiasts simply don't have the manpower. To moderate SO, or to troll so hard they swing an election.

@JourneymanGeek that's a horrible deformity. I'm sorry

@PM2Ring amateurs, experts and enthusiasts simply don't have the manpower. To moderate SO, or to troll.

For the record, I'm not sure how successful trolls actually are at impacting elections. They sure do rile up people.

Elements In Space

@JourneymanGeek <some pun about a muzzle>

M.A.R.

How would you even measure that

@ElementsInSpace jinx

Journeyman Geek

lol

M.A.R.

@ElementsInSpace hey don't laugh but who's the Tsarina in your profile pic?

Elements In Space

@M.A.R. Why, that’s Ozma of Oz!

PM 2Ring

11:05

> Come on, people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to love one another right now

Journeyman Geek

Isn't that a very tiny pasta?

PM 2Ring

The Youngbloods - Get Together (Cover)

►

M.A.R.

I am never settung my foot in that room again

@ElementsInSpace oh. Oh!

@PM2Ring I'm grumpy right now because I'm hungry

Elements In Space

@M.A.R. But don’t read the book, it’s not very good.

Journeyman Geek

Hands @M.A.R. a hand made murukku

PM 2Ring

11:08

"Hungry man is an angry man" - Bob Marley.

Journeyman Geek

I thought it was "no sandwich no rye"

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek wasn't there a while back this guy who kept spamming commie manifestos?

Journeyman Geek

Oh, it was an organised influence campaign

I mean

they had comics

M.A.R.

Well consider me influenced!

burns capitalism flag

Oh look at the new iPhone, I want one!

Elements In Space

@JourneymanGeek What is that?, it looks like a cross between churros and calamari.

Journeyman Geek

11:10

(psst, that's just a Rial)

@ElementsInSpace its rice dough, twisted by hand, and deep fried

Deepavali is coming up so . lots of snacks ._.

Elements In Space

Is is sweet?

M.A.R.

Ah, diwali

Journeyman Geek

@ElementsInSpace salty

M.A.R.

I'm jealous of Indians. They have all these superfluous reasons to dance and stuff.

Elements In Space

@JourneymanGeek Mmmm.

M.A.R.

11:12

Our holidays are mostly this or that Imam's martyrdom

PM 2Ring

What's better than deep-fried dough? Deep-fried curd...

In batter

M.A.R.

Lawful neutral. Excruciatingly boring and humorless.

Journeyman Geek

We also make Jelebi (which is basically entirely not what @M.A.R. might know as jelebi) - deep fried stuff in syrup

M.A.R.

And we have 12 Imams, plus a couple of other important people who have died.

@JourneymanGeek زولبیا

Journeyman Geek

Badusha, which is literally a south usian biscuit that's frosted... mixture (deep fried mix of stuff. Think tasty deep fried salty breakfast ceral) ...

M.A.R.

11:14

"Zoolbia" We call it.

Journeyman Geek

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imarti is basically our varient

M.A.R.

Zoolbia always gives me heartburn. And on a healthy scale of 0 to 10, it's -4

Journeyman Geek

lol

fried in ghee, soaked in syrup

clearly this one goes down to -11

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek looks weird. We have baklava instead which more than makes up for any of your made up sweets

Journeyman Geek

lol

PM 2Ring

11:18

Baklava is definitely good. But it's pretty hard to do better than a lot of Indian sweets. Gulab jammon, sandesh, rasa malai, ...

Journeyman Geek

@PM2Ring Rasagulla/Rasa malai was my late dog's favourite thing :D

M.A.R.

You kidding? Proper baklava is like a sweetness C4. You feel you arteries clogging up in real time.

Like if they were echocardiographing your heart, they'd be like "oh yeah, that shrill sound was the baklava"

Journeyman Geek

Oh I had a good one with ice cream

M.A.R.

And lokum

Journeyman Geek

I almost went for the other option. That stuff with shredded filo and cheese but sweet?

M.A.R.

11:21

Which is not as delicious as one might think, I repeat

PM 2Ring

Sandesh is like 50% milk curd, 50% sugar.

M.A.R.

It's just that the jelly texture in the mouth is really nice

@PM2Ring unsurprisingly we also have an equivalent here. It's called noghl. نقل

Traditionally eaten alongside tea

PM 2Ring

Gulabs are pretty sweet too, since they're soaked in sugar-rosewater syrup.

M.A.R.

I think given how many times Muslim caliphates, sultans, kings, emperors etc. tried to invade various parts of modern day India, the sweet stuff is almost guaranteed to be the same.

The spicy stuff, not so much

PM 2Ring

Some Indian sweets include camphor as an ingredient. Which can freak some Westerners out the first time they encounter it. :)

Journeyman Geek

11:25

I think its a different type

M.A.R.

I mean even Alexander tried to invade India but he only made it halfway to Pakistan

PM 2Ring

Of course, you shouldn't eat large quantities of camphor, but it's ok in small amounts.

Journeyman Geek

burps fire

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek see that's the Indian food talking

I mean if you don't mind irritating your bowels, by all means go ahead

Journeyman Geek

@PM2Ring I'm not a fan of it, and IIRC there's a difference between burning and edible champhor

PM 2Ring

11:28

@JourneymanGeek Camphor is camphor. It can be synthesised, but natural camphor is generally preferred for culinary use.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. my bowels need something stronger than just fire to irritate them. :P

M.A.R.

@PM2Ring has some sometimes important impurities based on the plant

Shadow Wizard

long time no spam, is it because of Sunday, or Smokey being sick?

!!/coffe healthcheck

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'coffe'.

M.A.R.

Most plants in the Lauraceae family have some, but also have some volatile oils that are abortifacient or neurotoxic.

Shadow Wizard

11:31

oops

PM 2Ring

Similarly, you can make milk curd from citric acid. But it's nicer if you use lemon juice instead.

Shadow Wizard

OK, Smokey's fine.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard okay but are you fine?

Shadow Wizard, Israel

174k 33 433 859

You look pale

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. I am, the report I have to make isn't. Turns out I had a major logic error... eek

(need to group by machine, not by failure.)

M.A.R.

You always have major logic errors

Shadow Wizard

11:33

@M.A.R. sometimes they overflow and become something useful.

:D

I'm doing "trial and error", just without the "trial" part. ;)

PM 2Ring

I often use a bit of bay leaf in cooking. Mostly dried. My mum had a small potted bay laurel right outside the kitchen door.

M.A.R.

@PM2Ring never much liked the bailiff myself

Elements In Space

@ShadowWizard Should be an easy fix. FindAll "failure" ReplaceWith "machine". And then FindAll "machine" ReplaceWith "failure". Problem solved.

Shadow Wizard

@ElementsInSpace if only it was so easy... ;)

Also using new mechanism for Excel, as it need some formatting, etc.

Journeyman Geek

12:39

@M.A.R. he needs more coffee.

Petəíŕd the Wizard

13:02

!!/coffee Shadow

SmokeDetector

@PetəíŕdtheWizard brews a cup of latte for @Shadow

Journeyman Geek

13:55

@PM2Ring or actual yogurt :D

Journeyman Geek

14:07

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Spevacus

Explosively obliterated

Journeyman Geek

Fundamentalist Vaishnavas are a odd bunch 0_0

PM 2Ring

14:28

@JourneymanGeek Indeed! FWIW, I originally included yoghurt in that message, but decided to remove it & keep things simple. Panir from yoghurt is the softest.

@JourneymanGeek I've met a few of them...

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard Group by human, not machine.

@JourneymanGeek To pour it on the skin so it'll look less pale? I'd rather suggest sunlight.

Journeyman Geek

@AndreascondemnsIsrael It puts the coffee on the skin or it gets the hose?

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek I have no idea what you're talking about.

Spevacus

Probably for the best

Andreas condemns Israel

So I searched it up.

Journeyman Geek

14:40

It seems strangely appropriate that a pop culture reference is not understood :D

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek Maybe it's my distaste for the movie that's responsible for it.

Journeyman Geek

That's reasonable

Andreas condemns Israel

I've always heard it's sooooooo good. Then I watched it. I was not impressed, at all.

Spevacus

Speaking of media, did you ever get around to watching the HBO Chernobyl series?

Andreas condemns Israel

Me? Or him?

Spevacus

14:43

I recall recommending it some time ago

You

Andreas condemns Israel

No, I don't have HBO.

Spevacus

Sorry, on mobile, replying is a pain

Andreas condemns Israel

Not sure if it's worth investing in a HBO subscription at the moment. Depends on the cost. Already have Netflix and Viaplay, but they're so devoid of content nowadays. Heck, Netflix doesn't even let me watch seasons of their own series. From, for instance. Watched season 1 on Netflix. Had to watch season 2 and 3 (not fully released) while visiting my family, as they have a TV2 subscription as part of the TV agreement. You need TV2 to watch Netflix's own series. Wth? Anyway, I could probably

use a VPN for that.

NRK, the public broadcaster, also just decided to discontinue their PS4/5 app, which is what I relied on for the TV. Now I'm stuck to a browser on my desktop or laptop/HDMI.

Or I'd have to buy new hardware for the TV. Might as well spend that money on another streaming service, then.

Spevacus

I recommended a uh... Alternative... Site at the time that I recommended Chernobyl. I forget if that one's still working.

Andreas condemns Israel

Anyway, wasn't there a second season of Chernobyl coming out?

@Spevacus Actually, I remember that now. I don't think I had time when you recommended it, and then I forgot about it.

Spevacus

14:51

Nah it was just the one season. About 8ish episodes around an hour long each if I'm remembering right.

Unless I'm uninformed. I figured they told the story well enough in the season they put out

Andreas condemns Israel

@Spevacus Found it.

Spevacus

Seems they changed their TLD since then, and they're on Cloudflare now. Hm.

Definitely turn your adblock on for it. I personally use ublock origin.

It's light on ads around the edges of the page but the ones they allow there are... Not great

Andreas condemns Israel

Buy a new laptop and a new SIM card for it?

Spevacus

Ha! Those kind of measures may be a bit extreme.

Andreas condemns Israel

Either you take security seriously, or you don't!

:P

Journeyman Geek

15:24

@AndreascondemnsIsrael a new laptop may be compromised

You need to buy a laptop off a random street vendor

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek You?

Journeyman Geek

funny thing my brother actually did that. (cause it was tenner and he thought it was hilarious ._. )

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael there was one client who indeed asked to group the failures report by the one opening them. :P

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard "Let's find the (best bug reporter)/(most ungrateful guy) in our team!"

Marco

15:42

@ShadowWizard chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=9976706#9976706: Hello!! When can I visit your home?

Shadow Wizard

17:24

@AndreascondemnsIsrael not bugs, actual machine failures in a factory. Usually not the operator's fault. (e.g. oil leakage, torn cable)

@Marco right now! But not to sleep, the safe room is saved for @Mithical already. ;)

2 days ago, by Shadow Wizard

Merkhav Mugan

Merkhav Mugan (Hebrew: מרחב מוגן) (lit. protected space), also known as a "miklat", is a reinforced security room required in all new buildings by Israeli law. A Merkhav Mugan is deemed preferable to a bomb shelter when the warning time is too short for residents to reach a shelter, which may be located some distance away. It also offers protection against high impact projectiles and chemical weapons. == History == Security rooms are based on a 1951 civil defense law that has undergone several revisions. After Israel was attacked by Scud missiles in the Gulf War, the Israeli Home Front Command...

BTW, I was wrong before, for some time it is a requirement by law to add it to new buildings.

But naturally, most existing buildings don't have it.

Marco

@ShadowWizard Haha, ok, I just wanted to joke around.

Shadow Wizard

@ShadowWizard unless you want to sleep in the kids bedroom, on the floor. :D

@Marco ah, pity. I was already expecting you to arrive!

:-P

Marco

@ShadowWizard No need, thanks, haha

@ShadowWizard haha

But anyway, are the airports there operating normally?

@ShadowWizard hmmm

@ShadowWizard hmmmm

Shadow Wizard

@Marco yup. It was shut down only for few hours when Iran was attacking.

Oh wait

We have only one. :)

(the others are alternate, can't be used regularly, except army usage and internal flights)

Marco

hmmmm, nice!!

Shadow Wizard

17:33

Even during covid it was never 100% shut down, just... reduced activity.

Marco

awesome

Shadow Wizard

Agreed!

Marco

Israel is a greeeeeeat country

Your people too

Shadow Wizard

@Marco it can be, sure.

@Marco there are great people as well, sure. Sadly, not everyone.

Marco

@ShadowWizard Of course, in this case it would be a perfection

I love Israel

Shadow Wizard

17:37

@Marco that is good, but believe me that if you'll actually move to live here, you'll also see the less-good parts and aspects of it.

Marco

This beloved people deserves peace

Shadow Wizard

Most of those who move to live here are fine with it, and get to pass the burdens and accept them. Some don't, and leave.

Marco

@ShadowWizard Of course, it's natural. But I don't plan on living there, haha. I just want to visit one day when everything is calm and I have money.

Shadow Wizard

@Marco everything is calm can take... a while. So take your time. ;)

Marco

Yeah

What is the most sacred place there in relation to Jesus? Or one of the most sacred that you would highlight.

starball

17:44

@JourneymanGeek knowyourmeme.com/memes/pimples-zero

Shadow Wizard

@Marco likely this:

Church of the Holy Sepulchre

The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, also known as the Church of the Resurrection, is a fourth-century church in the Christian Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem. The church is also the seat of the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem. Some consider it the holiest site in Christianity and it has been an important pilgrimage site for Christians since the fourth century. According to traditions dating to the fourth century, the church contains both the site where Jesus was crucified at Calvary, or Golgotha, and the location of Jesus's empty tomb, where he was buried and resurrected. Both locations...

Andreas condemns Israel

@Spevacus Seems there's an event coming up for us! chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/155861/… @M.A.R.

Marco

@ShadowWizard Awesome, I want to learn more about this place, I'll read the article. Thanks! Have you ever been there?

Shadow Wizard

> happening every 69 days

hmm...

Marco

@ShadowWizard You must know well about Jesus, please tell me, according to the story, did Jesus' body disappear? I don't remember that detail.

Shadow Wizard

17:54

@Marco I've been in the Old City, might have seen it from the outside, yeah. But not inside.

Marco

@ShadowWizard Hmm. Never been interested in visiting inside?

Shadow Wizard

@Marco actually not really. I know most as general knowledge from what I hear and read around. I'm not religious, so don't have much knowledge "even" about Judaism.

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard Come rizz with us!

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael only with skibiddi!

huh? Cake? Since when I'm a cake wizard?

lol

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard We yap on!

Shadow Wizard

17:56

Oh well, won't change. :D

Marco

@ShadowWizard Oh, I see, I thought you were religious.

Spevacus

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Oh no...

Shadow Wizard

@Marco nope, I respect any religion and my own religion as well, and know some stuff but just as general knowledge. But there it ends.

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