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user728672

12:28 AM

@Mithical And I thought I was the only one who knew the months origins.

user728672

For you lay people.. farmersalmanac.com/month-names-29908

Journeyman Geek

12:45 AM

@KylePollard 💙

:D

user728672

My Latin and Greek foreign language teachers in high school both shared some folklore. (Why do I remember this?) The year originally had 10 months. But the scholars of the day saw how the seasonal cycles drifted too far from the expected month (or time of year) and proposed 2 additional months, or 60 days.

user728672

It was decided to honor their emperors, Julius and Augustus, (the reason for the placement is lost to history), but devoted acolytes argued over who would get 31 days and who 29, both factions insisted that their month get 31 days.

user728672

To appease them and avoid bloodshed the scholars proposed taking 2 days from the 30 in February (it was already considered a 'minor month) so that is why February has 28, and all other months follow in alternating numbers 31 or 30, except July and August which have 31.

user728672

I also remember a mneumonic? on how to remember which month has which number of days. Extend your fingers palms down. Tuck your thumbs underneath. Left pinky is January, the V between is February, Left Ring finger is March... ... July is left index. Right index is August.. etc..

user728672

1:01 AM

Okay there is a wiki. This is nicer then the finger method

Rob

1:32 AM

Since there are twelve Moons per year, once you account for the Blue Moon, it's easy to divide the year into 12 (as the North American aboriginals did long ago): timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/full-moon-names.html timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/blue-moon.html

Kyle Pollard

3:13 AM

7

Journeyman Geek

@KylePollard Frankly - I can see some ~~nefarious~~ uses for that :D

Also answers something I was wondering since I literally woke up just as that was happening, saw it on my phone (so the designs at the edges were cut off) and went back to sleep. I guess it would make future theming easier :D

(that it was the same 'background' in an orange palette)

Kyle Pollard

Yep, lots of awesome theming stuff coming from the Stacks team 😁 stackoverflow.design/product/guidelines/theming

Journeyman Geek

Well - Dark mode, where available is going to get used

:D

(And I guess this makes custom stylesheeting easier too... hm.)

Kyle Pollard

3:37 AM

Totally does! So you can have your orange and eat it too 🍊

Journeyman Geek

lol

Was thinking dark themes, and fonts. :D

Rob

Today Aaron and @Kyle also changed the office's elevator music to:

Billy Joel - We Didn't Start the Fire (Official Video)

►

Wolgwang

5:31 AM

Mods can hide/delete/convert a normal room to a private room?

Mithical

What do you mean by "hide"?

Meta Andrew T.

@Wolgwang convert, yes.

Mithical

Delete or convert, yeah.

Meta Andrew T.

oh, I failed to parse the question correctly. Confused about "delete a normal room to a private room"

Wolgwang

@Mithical I am unable to find a room(neither in frozen section). So it is now a private room?

Meta Andrew T.

5:35 AM

@Wolgwang or possibly deleted...

Mithical

Do you have 10,000+ reputation on the server where you're looking?

Wolgwang

Nope :-/

Meta Andrew T.

if you remember the room title, I can probably check

Wolgwang

It was "Room for someone's name and Wolgwang"

Mithical

@Wolgwang In that case it was probably deleted.

Wolgwang

5:39 AM

Under what circumstances can I ask a mod to delete a room?

Mithical

in Room for amWhy and Wolgwang on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by Feeds

This room has been automatically deleted for inactivity

I presume that's what you're referring to.

Wolgwang

Thanks :-)

rene

7:00 AM

@DavidPostill are you sure? Isn't that just hidden / disguised spam for that tool they don't want suggested?

@SmokeDetector raised a custom flag

Rob

7:20 AM

5 hours ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Scam aimed at customers in body (23): What are the tools for collecting information about a Facebook account? by Anonymous Fe999 on askubuntu.com

Rob

7:33 AM

8 hours ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Scam aimed at customers in body (23): What are the tools for collecting information about a Facebook account? by Anonymous Fe999 on security.SE

etc

rene

ah, that is telling.

Rob

As a question it falls under benefit of the doubt, and I don't know exactly why it was deleted (excerpt off-topic, and by the OP in one case (they got a Peer Pressure badge)), but for going site to site it's certainly a nuisance - I don't know if "f" is wrong, but I custom mod flagged the above info.

Ryan M

7:49 AM

Yeah, hmmm, good point. Spam flag retracted, it could in fact be that they're just slowly trying to find the right site.

Luuklag

8:02 AM

Always fun to see a regex question being flagged

Ryan M

@Luuklag Yeah, usually means it needs code formatting.

Luuklag

@RyanM yup

Journeyman Geek

Today is a day of....

low grade annoyance

I had a bunch of alerts go off when I logged in at work and turns out it was a known issue

and I'm slightly sleepy

Tinkeringbell

8:24 AM

:( But... if it's a known issue, it's not something you have to be totally awake for? :D

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

8:48 AM

@KylePollard good for you! ;)

Rob

@rene No matter how many times he tries to surf they won't beat Koa!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner nice fish!

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I didn't know it was

:D

Tinkeringbell

9:07 AM

@JourneymanGeek ahhh

Journeyman Geek

Turn on PC and log in BAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM sound from alerts

and I don't recognise any of the machines that are having issues

Tinkeringbell

Oof...

If that happens to me, first thing I'll do is go get something to drink :P Because with all the noise and notifications there's no way I'm going to be able to work on it anyways :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

Well my job is letting the people who need to actualy fix things know they need to fix things

and apparently snitching

Luuklag

9:24 AM

@SmokeDetector k, my portugese isn't too good, but anything with a random 'penis' in it deserves a flag ;)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

9:56 AM

@Luuklag careful where you stick the flag though......

:P

Rob

10:21 AM

Translates, oops; that word means flag.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob nope, it's just pênis, they added a roof so it will feel better when it's hot or raining outside.

@Luuklag also BTW, your comment is now archived forever here, was it on purpose? ;)

Wolf

10:57 AM

@GWarner oof

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Random oof time?

@M.A.R. oof

:D

!!/blame for oof

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 It's ArtOfCode's fault.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 that's the capsule

Luuklag

11:29 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 it was a sideaffect I was aware off ;)

Journeyman Geek

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek Thank you for polluting the environment, please have a safe flight.

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag If I spent any money on amazon its going up in flames :D

Luuklag

anyone knows from the top of their heads where I can see how long a macbook air has been running for since last reboot?

Journeyman Geek

the uptime command might work?

Luuklag

11:32 AM

Ah, I found it, 1 day and 4 hours, bit soon for apps to start misbehaving

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@Luuklag It's Mark's fault.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek The shape of that rocket really matches the personalities of the people it's made to carry :)

rene

@Tinkeringbell hey! Don't be disrespectful towards Wally Funk!

Tinkeringbell

@rene Hmm. True...

We'll just say it wasn't really made for people like her, then ;)

rene

If she wanted to send a message to Nasa after all these years she couldn't have picked a better rocket, I give you that.

Journeyman Geek

11:45 AM

exactly

Tinkeringbell

@rene Yeah, that's also very true :D

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I see you bought a new suit:

Journeyman Geek

@rene yup

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@JourneymanGeek yeah heard it got tons of memes, lol :D

Anyway anyone saw this movie?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 yup

Its fun

I personally liked it

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

11:53 AM

@JourneymanGeek the movie? Awesome! :P

@Rob and hat!

Rob

Good spot, Cpt.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Oh no just read that Iran suffers from extreme lack of water... @M.A.R. hope you're fine!

heh very nice avatar, Lyoness.

rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I guess the folks in Limburg are happy to share some of their water ....

Luuklag

@rene to soon?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@rene so go and put a pipe between the two countries! :D

rene

12:02 PM

@Luuklag maybe.

Luuklag

I've been seeing these clips on facebook from a german guy, who is helping out in a german valley that has been completly flooded

Their hauling tractor load after tractor load of debris out of a village for about a week on end now

using about 1000 machines or so

clearing basements bucket by bucket, house by house

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:/

Hopefully only debris? (i.e. not people...)

Luuklag

There were a great number of casualties unfortunately

In the entire germany 100+ I think

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Back to my previous suggestion, it's actually a thing, in smaller scale:

Red Sea–Dead Sea Water Conveyance

The Red Sea–Dead Sea Conveyance, sometimes called the Two Seas Canal, is a planned pipeline to run from the coastal city of Aqaba by the Red Sea to the Lisan area in the Dead Sea. It will provide potable water to Jordan, Israel and the Palestinian territories, bring water with a high concentration of salts resulting from the desalination process (reject brine) to stabilise the Dead Sea water level, and generate electricity to support the energy needs of the project. The project is planned to be carried out by Jordan and is entirely in Jordanian territory. It will be financed by the governments...

This was the greatest dream of Peres, if I'm not mistaken.

@Luuklag yeah, I know. Just hope the number is final.

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 yeah me too, I don't know if there are still missing persons, but I think there still are

wow, Samsung is releasing an 1000 inch 8k screen

theverge.com/2021/7/19/22583204/…

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

12:22 PM

shock

Luuklag

Tink, just saw some woman crocheting her own clothes, you should try too!

Rob

Cleanup will be well into next year:

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Ehhh... with my size, that just takes too long. Before I've finished, I need my clothes either smaller or bigger again XD :P

Rob

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell :D

Luuklag

12:24 PM

@Rob rebuilding at least, cleanup might be done a lot quicker if you see the sheer amount of machinery that is out there

Tinkeringbell

I do really like this pattern though: ravelry.com/patterns/library/sashiko-happy-coat and if I could wear one, I'd make one :)

Luuklag

all farmers etc. from across germany came to that region to help out

there literrally are thousands of machines

all working for free

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

That's the bright side of disasters, yeah.

People showing their good side during crisis, etc. :)

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell ofcourse you could wear one, you just might have to add or remove a few loops from the pattern

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag or... make the cloth responsive.

:P

Luuklag

12:26 PM

Go get yourself a pattern drawing class

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag hehe, deprecating the deprecation tag? ;)

After adding excerpt realized it's not fitting for most existing questions lol. But wasn't sure what to do...

Luuklag

I think the excerpt is fine, and a good use for the tag

questions about outdated answer can get the outdated info tag

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Adapting the pattern wouldn't be much of a problem, indeed. But like I just said, it's so often a waste of time/effort with me because my weight fluctuates enough that I'm too likely to not fit into it when I finish, or just for a very short time.

Rob

12:53 PM

@Luuklag So, ten trucks to this street; where do they take it?:

Tinkeringbell

Dumps/landfills, most likely.

Rob

His suit is too small.

curious

→ 17 messages moved to Chimney

Luuklag

1:12 PM

@Rob What I saw is that they took one lane of a double-lane cariage way into town as a temporary landfill, and then got to work hauling that to landfills/recycling

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 et al. regarding the deprecation-tag, should we dupe close Q's about outdated answers to the announcement post about the outdated answer project?

@Tinkeringbell here in the NL they have now removed 900 tonnes of waste from the flooded area, mostly household items from flooded parts of houses.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag possibly, case by case. I think.

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag And they're not there yet. I know there's a lot of mud too, and I just read about the damage to nature: Invasive species might've spread a lot faster now with the floods carrying their seeds, and a lot of insect populations are gone too, they're still cleaning up dead bigger animals too.

Luuklag

Yeah, they estimate that only 2% of trash caried by the floods will end up in the sea

Tinkeringbell

1:32 PM

In a sense, that's good...

user728672

1:47 PM

Well I'm all set for my time travel. Wish me luck?

Tinkeringbell

If you need extra luck, are you truly all set?

user728672

@luuklag sorry about those edits, I think I was going cross-eyed I had been looking at the html and SE edit boxes too long.

user728672

@luuklag So you don't like using [] to hide images that aren't important to a screen reader?

Luuklag

@GWarner ?

maybe try to direct link to a message @GWarner, that makes it easier to track back

user728672

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 That fish was off the IRC fish slap wiki.

user728672

1:53 PM

@Luuklag It dosnt matter I just was asking for an opinion about tagging, it wasnt important.

Luuklag

I don't know what edits you're apologizing for

user728672

@luuklag forget it it wasnt important

Luuklag

haha I wish my brain worked like that ;)

You're talking about this answer: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/45597/…?

Damn, why are old things so very rarely documented online :/

Tinkeringbell

2:12 PM

@Luuklag Online is a very recent thing... old things should have manuals though?

you know, the offline kind :P

rene

the one in all languages except your own?

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell there probably were at some point, but never distributed to a wide audience

I need to know the drift factor for aerial plant protection product application. Which was allowed till 2012 in NL

Wolgwang

Is this working?

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Doesn't that depend on how high the wind speed is? :P

rene

@Wolgwang yes

Wolgwang

2:17 PM

In what format should I put the date?

rene

yyyy-mm-dd

@Wolgwang see i.stack.imgur.com/fsAMo.png

Wolgwang

Would this work only for SO?

rene

Nope, but on other sites not all conditions might be met

so you would end-up with 0 records

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell amongst others yes

Wolgwang

How can I try on other...?

Tinkeringbell

2:20 PM

@Luuklag Tried the BINAS yet? :P

Luuklag

But there is a standard % used in the application process for products, and I need that to use in an international setting

@Tinkeringbell I'm 100% sure that BINAS doesn't cover the legislative aspects of plant protection ;)

rene

@Wolgwang switch to site: i.stack.imgur.com/hFoA2.png or see meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335376

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag I know, just kidding... I don't really have anything else to offer.

Wolgwang

@rene Thanks :-)

Kyle Pollard

2:54 PM

I'm having success with our Community-a-thon so far 🙌 twitter.com/kylejrp/status/1417860059065847823?s=20

Three successful posts and I got onto the HNQ 🔥

Mithical

I'm not sure I'd refer to getting on HNQ as a success...

;)

Journeyman Geek

lol

The consistancy is, IMO :D

I got to 10k mainly by grinding an answer a day

user1271772

Should this not be status-PARTIALLY-completed?

45

Q: Encouraging users to create an account (and keep it)

I know SO's policy is "you don't have to register to ask questions," but there are so many new members and so many hit-and-runs... The majority of the questions I see now are coming from new users (i.e., it's their first question). Although unregistered users should still be able to ask questions...

@KylePollard Which questions got into HNQ?

Mithical

If he said, that'd break his cover...

Ollie

@Tink Spam account (56 secs ago): meta.stackexchange.com/users/1038625/joeburden

Thx

Journeyman Geek

3:06 PM

@Ollie I think our spammer will find our attention is not in deficit

user728672

@Tinkeringbell Late reply... caught in a web...

Catija

-7

Q: What Stack Exchange site is appropriate for asking where a movie can be found for streaming?

I've not been able to find a particular movie, and I can't figure out which site this is appropriate for.

support site-recommendation

So... why is this being downvoted?

It seems like a reasonable site recommendation question, even if the answer is "it doesn't work here".

Kevin B

3:22 PM

i would assume it's related to the question they asked before that one

(though i haven't looked at it yet)

Catija

Their attempt to ask on M&TV doesn't seem like the sort of thing that should impact the score of a site recommendation question here?

Kevin B

from the comments, it sounds like they were potentially asking for something illegal. Whether or not that should impact the voting here, it will

Journeyman Geek

I think it's a mix of it being a shopping question of sorts and folks assuming piracy

It's a lot easier to pirate 😁

Catija

The question doesn't seem to ask for anything illegal at all. There are free places to stream that aren't illegal and I'd bet you that many people think of things like Netflix as "free" even though you have to pay a subscription fee since once you have it, everything on it is free.

user728672

@Tinkeringbell sorry i thought i had an image ready.. gimme a minute

Someone_Evil

3:38 PM

Is it frowned upon to point site recs to chat? On RPG we would point users who ask shopping questions to our chat (we also have a list of forums). I haven't done so myself here because I have no idea what room to point them to or whether one even exists

And "try to find the right chat room for this" isn't a quest I like setting folks on

Kevin B

site recommendations are a different beast than that

it's not really an opinion based question, it's one that can be answered on the spot

Someone_Evil

I didn't mean send the site rec to chat, but send the shopping one

Catija

It's fine in chat, yeah.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija assumptions were probably made

Someone_Evil

I suppose I should be asking the Movies & TV chat room whether they like getting that kind of question. Off on a quest I go!

Catija

3:45 PM

The Screening Room - but from my time there, they didn't mind it, though with everyone in different regions, the answers aren't always helpful.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija ugh. Hence the landscape being messy 😁

Kyle Pollard

@user1271772 This exposes my brand new account I made for the community-a-thon, but as long as you can keep it a secret that's okay... 😉

9

Q: After how many iterations can I shortcut the Delina, Wild Mage / Pixie Guide combo?

I'm playing at competitive rules enforcement with Delina, Wild Mage and Pixie Guide. If I attack with Delina, Wild Mage targeting Pixie Guide with the triggered ability, I'll continue creating copies of Pixie Guide for as long as I successfully roll 15—20. For my first roll, I'll roll two dice an...

magic-the-gathering mtg-competitive-rel

Journeyman Geek

And I am not sure about regional differences

Tinkeringbell

@Ollie Wasn't me!

@Someone_Evil If they are specifically off-topic on a site, I would frown yes. Because I'd see it as using chat to circumvent the topic restrictions on a site.

Catija

That doesn't seem to be the consensus on most of the sites that I use. For example, recipe recommendations are very much off topic on Cooking but they're happy to chat about it in The Frying Pan.

The issue there is, in most cases, the user doesn't have enough rep for chat, so sending them to chat is kinda pointless.

Tinkeringbell

3:52 PM

I mean, chat chats about a lot of off-topic stuff. I just would never recommend to go to chat just because something is off-topic on main.

user728672

Tinkeringbell

If it comes up in regular conversation, fine.

user728672

Forgive my boredom. My PC is heading back to december 2020. so Im on a laptop

user728672

Did you google 'Movie title' streaming?

user728672

Pin Drop.

Someone_Evil

3:58 PM

@Tinkeringbell In this case it's because the question type doesn't work on main, not any other reason. So we point to chat (and a list of RPG forums) as a place that can handle the question type

But I also see why some places might not, so I wanted to ask the relevant chat room

Tinkeringbell

@Someone_Evil I guess it really depends on the site anyways yeah.

Ollie

4:17 PM

@Tinkeringbell musta been Journeyman.

Tinkeringbell

Probably. It's always easiest to blame the dog at least ;)

user1271772

4:34 PM

@Catija Because that's what people do on Meta.SE. It's a culture that I think needs to end.

Ollie

@user1271772 what, downvoting in general? Heard that before.

Catija

I think there are some downvoting habits that I'd like to see adjusted but I don't think it's hugely problematic.

Ollie

rene's got several posts on that, lemme search

Catija

To be honest, there are many times I have felt that meta questions probably don't need downvotes in most cases - not all but most. I don't know that we'd actually get rid of them (questions only!) but I don't think it would be a terrible thing.

I often find downvotes end up being used to replace actually talking about the problems with a post. Particularly on meta, I'd much rather someone be upvoting a good answer than downvoting someone for even asking the question.

(Again, to emphasize, I'm talking about downvotes on questions on meta only - so don't start taking me out of context here)

rene

@Ollie I don't think I have posts that advocate that downvoting has to stop. And if I have I must had a blurry moment ...

Ollie

4:48 PM

@rene heck no, I meant responses to new users' many complaints about that. A few on MSO.

Tinkeringbell

@rene I think you probably have some that say that there are only ever complaints about downvotes, not upvotes? :P

rene

Am I that dark?

Ollie

@Tinkeringbell he'd be right, AFAIK

Tinkeringbell

@rene Maybe, I dunno :P Could be I'm remembering another post by someone else.

Ollie

Who complains about upvotes? Unless it's the amount of reputation you get for them?

Catija

4:49 PM

People have pointed out that they've been serially upvoted... not quite a complaint, per se...

Tinkeringbell

@Ollie I mean, there have been complaints about upvotes, but they're mostly tied to pity-upvotes and the reputation earned through those. But there have also been complaints about upvotes on swag contest posts ;)

Ollie

@Tinkeringbell and complaints about upvotes on the many off-topic posts on Meta from sympathetic users: "wonder why someone would vote this up"...

Tinkeringbell

Either way, I like the concept of sites that have up and down votes. Somehow, three choices are a bit better to me than 'agree or shut up'.

@Ollie Oh, I put those under pity-upvotes.

Ollie

Grr.

For off-topic posts, I generally use Glorf's Lost Souls script, a quick comment pointing them toward the correct site if you haven't deleted it already, and the 20K tools...

rene

@Catija I'm mostly meh on that whole topic in grand scheme of things, while I can see that for a single user it can be overwhelming / confusing the only point of past discussion that had some merit was the double meaning we (the meta crowd) assigned to voting: the (dis)agreement bit. I'm of the opinion that it needs a technical solution, not yet another meta voting has to change type of crusade.

Ollie

4:53 PM

Pity upvotes make it harder for us to delete the post.

rene

And I said this before: I can make one comment on any meta post and you're guaranteed to get more downvotes then you had bargained for.

That is: the voters can be easily influenced, either way.

Ollie

Especially if the influencer has... some influence, e.g. a mod.

rene

Doesn't need to be a mod. I admit I take a bit more care when commenting since I became a diamond on Stack Apps.

Tinkeringbell

@Ollie Meh :P Mods don't have that much influence. If we had, we wouldn't be moderating so much ;)