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2:25 AM

@JNat stackexchange.com/users/22380985/vishal-bhardwaj and another

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5:36 AM

Can someone check out this post and tell me if the table renders properly. For me, it rendered correctly in the edit screen but not the post, and I'm wondering if that happened to others before I report a [bug] askubuntu.com/questions/1381055/…

@cocomac You have to leave free lines around tables.

6:17 AM

Ads between deleted answers are somehow eye-catching because their background is white inside the pastel pink sea :O

6:40 AM

@Catija I'm aware of the proper formatting, I'm saying [in theory] the way it renders in the edit box should be the same as how it looks on the question/answer page

@cocomac yes. It's been reported dozens of times. Search MSE

7:27 AM

@SPArcheon I am a little late, but there isn't one yet?

7:42 AM

oh, 4 hours left...

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

7:52 AM

@SPArcheon sure!

8:37 AM

flag-pls junk (SD report) gaming.stackexchange.com/a/393003/169695

8:51 AM

@Catija Technically a spin off of G4. I assume it sprouted from some executive meddling. It is quite evident in the first movie - someone told the writers to make a "school annual dance event" centered movie, so they had to fit in many stereotypes from usual school movie. Luckily enough, they somehow manage to keep their influence minimal, and slowly diverge.

Anyway, just for sake of completion, that show - Equestria Girls - takes place in an alternate dimension.

@Glorfindel seems no one created one yet, yep.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

yet or yep?

9:14 AM

flag-pls spam web site promotion (SD report) datascience.stackexchange.com/questions/105139/…

flag-pls spam returning spammer (SD report) bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/111277/…

9:27 AM

@SPArcheon Winter Bash 2021 chatroom

> "It’s important to remember that an incorrect answer is not “low quality” by our definition. Incorrect answers should get a comment explaining any issues or be downvoted, not flagged." - Source: meta.stackexchange.com/help/review-low-quality - Answer: meta.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/80352

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

@Rob what about it?

Context?

9:44 AM

@Catija I know you aren't the one that can decide but... could you please try and ask again to switch to something better??

It's provided.

It is painful to see that problem coming back every few months

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

Risk of bad ads is part of the bundle, can't avoid it.

It's either no ads at all, or ads with risk of having bad stuff slip in.

I disagree. You could use BuySellAds or CarbonAds or CodeFund.io ads for the tech site sites. These ad platforms never include inappropriate content (they are specifically for tech audiences) — Aryan Beezadhur May 13 '20 at 22:51

@MartijnPieters, if SE includes ads on it's pages, SE is responsible for them. It isn't the site users' responsibility to solve the problem for SE so they can safely look at ads. If people need to use ad blockers to avoid malicious ads when visiting SE sites, SE won't get much revenue from ads. — fixer1234 Oct 6 '19 at 15:50

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

@SPArcheon meh, no such thing "never". For enough money, they would put anything inside.

9:48 AM

A site may have no control over the ads that gets inserted. But it has control on the trash networks it chooses to use, and has the responsibility to choose based on legality and affordability instead of just choosing the one that pays off the most... — SPArcheon 5 mins ago

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 sometime "enough" to pay off your destroyed reputation is not feasible.

Some of those central "value" and "competition advantage" is exactly the fact that they are trusted to check.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

Spammers care 0 about their reputation. They pay tons of money just to push their spam, and earn x100 from people who fall for it and click it.

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 there are two sides. The ones who pay a provider to host their ads, and the ones who are paid to host the ads from the provider on their site.

the first one probably don't care like you said.

The second ones... probably do in some specific cases.

Take Google for example since it is mentioned in the message above.

Google as an ads platform for third parties... is HORRIBLE.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

Well I agree switching provider can help, but don't agree it will be 100% crap-free. Maybe 98% vs. 95% we have today, for example. So, don't think those meager 3% worth the trouble.

but.. did you notice that the ads they have on Youtube are far more "safe"?

the few incidents that happened over the full course of Youtube life were accurate and targeted "bait-and-switch" attacks where a bad actor managed to switch the ads after passing the initial check.

so... they are totally able to be more responsible for what they care about.

@tripleee any new flaggers this morning? the three I reported above are still up (threading link is to first one)

Journeyman Geek

10:03 AM

@SPArcheon the post is from 2019 :D

It got bumped by someone posting nonsense

oh that was quick, thanks whoever made two of them disappear ... one to go (the Spanish Bitcoin one)

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, that needs someone elses flags

I REGRAT I HAVE ONE FLAG TO NON FRAUDULENTLY GIVE!

10:26 AM

last one gone, thanks to everyone who played

10:36 AM

@JourneymanGeek ....

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New feature request then...

Posts older than 6 months gets a cobweb emoji on the left.

and @Catija ... sorry for the mistake , forget about what I just said.

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon Well unless you are 10k+ or looked at the "modified by" and realised the edit/post was invisible its less than obvious

> asked Oct 6 '19 at 13:01

1 hour later…

11:52 AM

final countdown

-7

game on

@YaakovEllis wohooo

is there a WB 2021 chat room yet?

refreshing DDOS incoming

@Glorfindel yes @YaakovEllis

isn't this technically false?

> Do any sites have custom hats?

No. All hats can be earned on any participating Stack Exchange site. There are also a few hats that can only be earned through meta site participation.

12:07 PM

@YaakovEllis yes, welcome!

Only SO has Dark / High Contrast mode

I don't think so @SPArcheon

and thanks for making WB/SB possible!

@Luuklag can you get Glare Reducer or any other site but SO?

What happened to the 'I hate hats' button!

goes to write an angry post

12:09 PM

@SPArcheon I got it on SF it appears

@Tinkeringbell still there

@SPArcheon I just got Glare Reducer on SF

without doing anyhthing

@Luuklag It's not called 'i hate hats' anymore though... 'No hats for me please' just doesn't have the same grinchyness to it. And why should I say please?!

@Tinkeringbell nitpicks

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The opt-in button is still called 'I love hats' XD

@MetaAndrewT. .... doesn't seem that correct....

12:10 PM

@Tinkeringbell blame the welcome wagon

That should be changed to beg for hats too then.

also ... Leaderboard screw-up?

@Luuklag Meh. I though disabling them would get rid of the annoying snowflake too, but that's still there, loading way after the rest of that top bar.

@Luuklag SF is the new SO!

@Tinkeringbell yeah the svg blinks

12:13 PM

Which is annoying XD

And here comes the first slew of duplicate questions... Yay winterbash!

@Tinkeringbell the first bugfix is already on its way

Hats on with Winter Bash until 5 Jan 2022! For specialized chat room, visit here!

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@YaakovEllis There's also a Stack Overflow Starring Room.

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^^ (shameless attempt at trying to get it pinned)

@Luuklag Fingers crossed it arrives before the next duplicate.

12:17 PM

^ ditto

@Rob You want your message pinned too, or you're agreeing with my message above?

12:37 PM

Millinery on the Stack: Join us for Winter (Summer?) Bash, 2021!

Slate on December 15, 2021

Get your hat on! It’s Winter (Summer?) Bash time again.

12:58 PM

@Tinkeringbell If there's room, yes please. There will be three rooms, but I'm only RO for SO's.

Glare repaired:

@Rob Okay, done :)

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Thanks.

From the looks of it either it will be for a secret hat or it's not a trigger this year.

the winterbash site has "Konami Code For jQuery Plugin" in the source code?

but it doesn't seem to do anything when you enter the konami code

Maybe you need to change your username to something combining both that log4j bug and the konami code.

@Smitop interesting

1:07 PM

tried AB or BA, also Spacebar or Enter, still nothing

@MetaAndrewT. I see you remember the "totally working as I intended" Shog's mistake

And how later he tried to pass that as a "TMNT reference"

well, I remember one of them destroyed the spaceship. But apparently I misremembered.

I need secret hats :'(

How can I save unicorn? :-(

1:32 PM

Go forth and post Meta spam, my loyal subjects. I need review votes

Hey, I decoded the message. Nothing too fun, though.

1:44 PM

@Spevacus is it the same as in the HTML source?

@Spevacus Does Konami code work there?

@Wolgwang doesn't work, that page uses a different script (quest.min.js)

@Luuklag Yeah the uh "random scribbling" is the decodable message

2:37 PM

@SPArcheon I should forget all about the Equestria Girls? OK! :D

5 hours ago, by SPArcheon

@Catija I know you aren't the one that can decide but... could you please try and ask again to switch to something better??

Is it okay if I insert https://cdn.sstatic.net/Winterbash/.... images here ?

@SPArcheon Oh. Yeah, my understanding is we don't use Google Ad service any more and all of the ads we show are bespoke.

There's also a report feature on every ad.

@Wolgwang if you can, take a screen. I fear that linking the cdn directly will break down after they remove the site next year

@SPArcheon Just right click and copy image, then paste in the uploader

2:45 PM

@Luuklag I should do that IG.

Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica

2:57 PM

@Feeds stars in the tavern: Join is for a humorous (humourous?) conversation, today!

3:21 PM

🚽

The names trialogue and quadraloge look like they would be related to triage queue

@SPArcheon or to an amount of commets

3:49 PM

apparently some smart fellow just serial downvoted all answers here?

beware the parrot and the dog my silly friend, they bite and have the tools to find you out...

They do this for almost every answer on every new post that gains traction the way that one has. If something was going to happen, I would think it would have by now.

@Spevacus you noticed other serial voting on WB posts?

point them out, I don't think Yaakov will let those pass....

It's not discriminate towards winter bash or anything else, really - Just answers on popular posts. For example, new staff posts that solicit feedback about a new feature or change typically get a bunch of answers, all of which will be downvoted by this user. I wouldn't call it serial voting either since it's less "I'll downvote this person/these people" and it's more "I'll downvote everything" which AFAIK isn't disallowed.

It has been actioned against in the past, maybe not necessarily on mse

@Spevacus depends. It is true that we have no rule on voting so one IS allowed to vote randomly or out of spite, but we have rules against serial voting and / or gaming the system

4:03 PM

for example, there's been cases of a user down (or up) voting everyting in a given tag, or even on small sites everything on the given site

having it handled, in one way or another

@SPArcheon I recognize that text... *squints* Oh, it's because they copied the original text I wrote in 2017. :D

Good to see it's cropped up every year since then, especially after the controversy over the first one.

maintenance?

5:01 PM

meta rep cap is 200 right?

Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica

Yep iirc.

It's the same everywhere.

Journeyman Geek

@Spevacus In theory, if we complained I think folks might look into it

5:20 PM

another thing... the tag score... how is calculated?

If you hover over it, it should explain... sorta?

more specifically, why winter-bash-2021 does not appear on my tag score list?

Caching.

@Catija WHUT?????? First question was DAYS ago.....

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A: 200% of posts with this tag?

Did a bit of digging Got Adam to do a bit of digging and found that I was both correct and incorrect! This is a caching issue but it's not related to the tag engine specifically. So... here we go: Post counts aren't cached at all - this means that they will always be current. Tag stats per user ...

5:23 PM

@Catija oh...per user-cache.

Yes

Both of your posts were today. You won't have a tag score until whenever the cache refreshes.

My understanding is that score is largely based on answer score, so the answer will be what drives your tag score.

would anyone take it as an offense if I silently added the Winter-bash tag on a winter-bash-2021 question that doesn't have it yet so that badge gets finally generated?

What badge?

@Catija nope wait, I hat(lame pun here) the stats wrong.

I just need to post one more answer somewhere.

5:44 PM

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6:06 PM

→ 37 messages moved to Chimney

6:26 PM

if someone want to join in, trying to close down this old WB 2020 question of mine since it doesn't need new answers - now it is just historical value

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Q: 🦄 Winter Bash 2020: The return of the unicorn

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... Yaakov had to single-handedly save a Winter Event. With so little time and so little budget, he reused the previous year's assets and managed to save the day once again. In doing so, our little loyal subject reused an Easter egg from the previous year ...

discussion winter-bash unicorns winter-bash-2020 easter-eggs

Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica

@SPArcheon maybe flag for historical lock?

@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica probably easier to cast close vote than summoning a moderator

Journeyman Geek

>_>

that said, @JourneymanGeek probably is still around

Journeyman Geek

WHAT AM I, CHOPPED FLARN?

6:32 PM

@JourneymanGeek Blade pup?

Journeyman Geek

Its a Babylon 5 reference. Anyway, its locked

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@JourneymanGeek mine is Genshin.

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6:55 PM

wait a sec....

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can anyone confirm if they can also pull the hat positioning controls past the dressing window??

hasn't it always done that

or does it clip for you folks to?

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7:13 PM

you can quite easily rotate it off the left edge

7:31 PM

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err

userscript failure

sorry? =)

i have an extension that adds features to chat, and occationally it... does unexpected things

=D okay, that's ... interesting

it has a drag&drop function for posting images, and when i clicked your avatar, since i didn't recognize it, apparently i dragged it onto the window

o/

@SPArcheon it clips (in Opera)

@KevinB nice! did it get you a secret hat at least?

7:37 PM

negative

8:19 PM

Oh. Hats.

I will stay pure this time.

Journeyman Geek

HATTER OR HATER?

points accusatory finger @M.A.R.

Purely as a form of protest against the . . . capitalist monarchial imperialist happy symbols that are really not happy and it's sorta deep bruh you know

And not out of laziness in the slightest bit.

my hat is superior

though the grinch version would likely be more accurate

8:41 PM

The real grinches were friends we made along the way

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. bah humbug

@JourneymanGeek humburg urself bro

8:56 PM

Hat idea: SE mod diamond hat, so @JourneymanGeek can wear two :P

trigger: ping a mod in chat

Perfect

First secret hat trigger confirmed :)

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