@TravisJ Cool. I'm glad you're OK with it. I wasn't sure, but I feared that just deleting the comment wouldn't have solved the problem. The Eternal Return of the Same, and all that.
Over here, people are recommending to not split kids in school based on learning level before they're aged 15. The reason that's given is that some kids will be slower at learning how to learn, and not separating them from the kids that do will help those kids.
I've been discussing this with a grade school teacher of mine on Twitter... because she actually remembered I used to find this approach horrible XD (I guess I let my opinion show in class?? :P)
@Magisch Maybe. But it's more about the idea of kids teaching other kids, or kids being able to cling to other kids... I think teaching is the teacher's job, not something that should be imposed on kids...
@Shadow9 Yeah... the thing that teacher did was impose it. Like, we were supposed to do a row of math equations by memory (without a calculator)... It's hugely annoying if you're in the middle of a complicated one only to be poked by the kid that can't do 64/8 and asked to explain that.
@JourneymanGeek That's voluntarily though... If I don't want to answer a question, I don't have to. If I have my own work to do, I won't be interrupted by questions unless I choose to be...
@Magisch Yes and no. If you're separated by learning level, it might. Because at that point, you're teaching others stuff you're still learning yourself.
@Tinkeringbell that's true. My daughter was just asked recently to help other kids in her class in math, after telling the teacher she's getting bored during class. The help is after school hours, with the homework.
@Shadow9 We got fun stuff to do, like drawing or extra challenging exercises to do for when we were done with our 'regular' work to prevent that boredom. Those were always good. It's even more disappointing if you didn't get to do those because you were stuck explaining 64/8
Yeah, kinda lazy... isn't it? But at least you were in that class with mostly same level people?
I mean, sure, even in classes based on learning levels there's going to be some variation... but it shouldn't drain as hard as being in a class with someone two levels lower?
@Magisch true for our math teacher. She was deaf, so for a long time many tests where a dictation exercise.... Two of us doing the exercises, and the rest writing down the results.
After a while, the teacher started to ask us to leave the classroom when she was doing any oral test. For written ones.... she went as far as preparing different exercise for each student in the class.
@Shadow9 my mom died when I was 11, my dad never had an issue with me charging for tutoring, and neither did the parents of people I tutored for. Weren't that many, but I made sure my time was actually mine
It's somewhat silly but I have a pretty firm stance on unpaid labor. Anything I do for my workplace has to be compensated
this here and open source stuff is different because it's my own choice to engage in it. Work is work and work has to pay me for every bit of my labor they want to extract
This goes against my normally lenient attitude on learning and IQ, because I am of the firm opinion that, aside from a select few, most people learn things more or less the same way, and the differences in learning are way blown out of proportion
In practice, though, whatever the reason, the will does differ. A lot of kids (and adults) can learn and do a myriad of things, provided the right guidance, but they don't.
So, I still have a lot of philosophobabble to produce, but I guess I'll get to my point.
There is a right and wrong way to focus on a small portion of kids. The wrong way would be to discriminate in the chances. Every kid deserves to have equal chances of perfect learning guidance if it was possible, even if it's not happening because of economical and sometimes cultural reasons. But the system needs to optimize to balance its push. Let the wills flourish, is what I mean.
If a kid does not see any point in getting an A streak, then no amount of pushing helps. This is why abolishing all borders does harm.
It is easily provable that the smarter kid, mostly because they want to learn, as opposed to just being inherently the next Einstein, will outperform themselves if they're in a "helpful" environment. Ideally, in a class where you want learning done, every goal should be aligned
@Shadow9 Something I didn't realize until years later (i.e. last month) was that constantly being bored in class because I already knew the material and just deciding to read ahead was likely connected to my having ADHD
I am a fan of people in all timezones. Is there anyone reading this for whom it is evening (after 6pm) right now, when I am writing this? If yes, I will give you a personal shout out
a lot of devs have considerable freedom in using their time. down time is expected and employers dont usually mind as long as things stay on schedule or productivity high
but journey isn't dev, iirc it's some monitoring type job
@YaakovEllis just push to master and let the build server sort it out ...
(I actually had a teammate that did push his changes into source control to have the buildserver report the compile errors to him. He didn't have his own branch so if you happened to do a pull and he was the latest commiter you were in for some serious WTF?)
So . . . I can't be bothered to check where I dropped the mic, but if you were ever interested, we could go on with the education discussion @Tink @Sha
@rene XD... I'm now imagining those drawings we used to as kids... where a different person would draw a head/body/legs without seeing what the others did draw...
Though all software is something like that, at least when you're working on the same giraffe you know you're supposed to draw part of the giraffe! :P
My random thought of the moment was, if a feather and a bowling ball accelerate downwards at the same speed, can you take a bowling ball, and stretch it out enough, to slow itself, like a feather does?
@Shadow9 Well, it is a bit too broad... OTOH, deleting a question with such an awesome answer and 290k views seems... sub-optimal to me. A historical lock would be ok, I suppose.
@ShadowWizard nothing glamorous. Was documenting https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358097/1-rep-user-requesting-access-to-a-gallery-chatroom during bug duty.
