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Rob

1:29 AM

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Glorfindel

7:14 AM

@rene already voted, here is another one (cc @sha @bar)

rene

the doggy ate it

Journeyman Geek

chewing noises

of y'all are bored aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/45532/… some of the answers here need moar spam flags

rene

7:41 AM

not bored, flagged anyway ...

Journeyman Geek

8:00 AM

cheers

Journeyman Geek

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Journeyman Geek

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Journeyman Geek

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Meta Andrew T.

2:23 PM

Weekend MSO reading

-18

Q: StackOverflow vs. StackOverflow - What can we as a community do to improve the relationship with the company that backs us?

The relationship between us, the community, and the company is far from perfect. Yet we depend on each other: StackOverflow (the community) would not exist without StackOverflow (the company) providing infrastructure, maintenance, development, and last but (definetly) not least: Community Manag...

discussion

Journeyman Geek

I don't get the -18

Its a perfectly good question to ask

Meta Andrew T.

probably

When reading the title I thought: "Wow, great idea to reconcile the sides", but at the end of read, you're mostly asking us to "give the other cheek" and accept being ignored, your example of company listening to us is one half baked (there's far much to add ot it, per tag templates, etc.) thing which hasn't improved in a visible manner the influx from a large amount of feature request not getting any feedback. — Tensibai yesterday

and

"Let's stop blaming the other side for not listening. Let's stop all those strikes, accusations and snarky comments" - yes! "towards the company that backs us" - there you lost me, it is more us that backs the company. "So what can we do to support the company? (in revenue, workforce, or words?)" - not the first two, that's for paid employees to worry about. We can help to build up the brand, though. As long as we get some clear guidelines on how to do that of course. — Gimby 24 hours ago

Journeyman Geek

2:44 PM

@MetaAndrewT. thats kind of a thing

if SE didn't care and wanted folks who didn't meet what they wanted now...

what's the point of a strike or other obvious move?

folks would basically be just tilting at windmills

Meta Andrew T.

I'm afraid the answer to the title is "welcome wagon", but this time at SE the company...

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. personally?

We suck at communicating.

Everyone sucks

we're all terrible

Less hypobolically? A lot of folks are pretty ineffective at communicating - both meta-wise and employeewise

But that's a process folks need to be willing to fix

On SO's side? What's the pain points for employees? Are folks who are better at it able to shield and teach the less good ones. Where's the failure points?

Its literally an engineering problem ;)

For us, its trickier

since we're basically trying to influence a semi black box as far as feature requests go

Meta Andrew T.

3:06 PM

The one dollar question: does SE still have hope in us?

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. I wish I knew

There's folks within the company that do

but I'm not sure which way the wind is blowing at the moment

More broadly - there's a lot of stuff that folks are doing that's good - like better mod tools. There's also a few things they need to stay the course on + broaden imo like the AAQW

MSO is prickly thought

You're not going to win those folks over without a lot of work and obvious changes. Even then....

rene

Oh I didn't notice you were discussing that mso post here

Meta Andrew T.

Yeah, SO with its very heavy customization... (SO Top bar™, SO New Homepage™, ...)

wonder if the reception would be better if it's posted on MSE instead...

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. And cause most of the stuff that's supposed to make money is SO linked.

Probably. Or at least different

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