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1:12 AM
A shout-out to @ArtOfCode got added to Unix election page... apparently only to that one and not on other sites.
Unix mod candidates so far, by their candidate score: 38, 7, 2.
In the SO primary, Machavity dropped to 7th place behind Zoe... I didn't expect that.
1:48 AM
@MSOGA The candidate with 38 only needs to put up a bounty on someone else's question to get to 39, and then visit the election once it starts to get to 40
1 hour later…
2:54 AM
Despite a featured MSE post, I haven't seen blatantly off-topic questions today...
that's good no?
@JourneymanGeek True
No mood was implied there.
@SonictheWizardWerehog If you're going by Stack Exchange time, the day is only a few hours old.
@Alex Going by local time
Or at least, my slanted version of local time
In that case, there may have been. My latest blatantly off-topic flag is from 20 hours ago.
3:02 AM
@Alex Phabricator?
That was the last one I close-voted.
Let's hope another four hours pass by with no blatantly off-topic posts...
I can post some if you want.
I have enough Stack Exchange tabs open, and enough half-written posts, that it shouldn't be too hard for me to mix up my sites.
3:04 AM
@SonictheWizardWerehog I would worry less about the bad stuff and more about the good stuff ;)
Reminds me of the time when SE made a mistake with email addresses and promised a dollar to anyone who received spam as a result, which prompted one recipient to write up a fake spam message and sent it to everyone
@JourneymanGeek If it's good, what are we worrying for?
or lack thereof
Q: Does the new unified design theme result in more off-topic questions where lost users asked on the wrong site?

Sonic the Wizard WerehogThis is partially a request for opinion, and partially a request for statistics. For a very long time, Meta Stack Exchange has suffered from a problem where a lot of users ask blatantly off-topic questions here, such as programming questions. One of the reasons for posting off-topic questions he...

3:07 AM
@SonictheWizardWerehog more seriously - I suspect a good chunk of these are folks who are either trying to get their posts migrated or are really lost
@SonictheWizardWerehog Doesn't look like we have statistics, though. For myself, I've never yet posted ion the wrong site, but I have posted in the wrong Chat rooms a couple of times.
@JourneymanGeek Yep, pointed this out in my other answer as to why (generally) people post blatantly off-topic questions. But this question refers to this specific, different reason.
@Alex Chat has been standardized for years.
Even across different chat servers.
@SonictheWizardWerehog Well ironically, in one case the two rooms looked very different:
in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Mar 7 at 0:45, by Napoleon Wilson
The room is like...super black and everything, though. It's not like mixing up two beta sites. ;-)
point is though I don't think we should be spending that much mental bandwidth on people who are 'lost'
@JourneymanGeek You lost me there...
3:09 AM
or more precisely, not worry about the lack of such people
@Alex You can get any chat room to look like that, by installing the Chat Easter Egg user script and activating the Asteroids easter egg
I don't do scripts.
@Alex that's to say, that there's no off topic posts for now is good ;p
Good = not exciting.
oh, there's exciting on topic.
3:12 AM
Different kind of excitement.
honestly - if things work as designed for now...
someone comments, closes, and nukes
Who would have thought that nukes could be unexciting?
after a while its just all washed out by lights brighter than the sun...
morning, and Not Hot Question!
The sun is pretty hot.
3:29 AM
> Sites will need to go through a meta discussion before requesting this change and it will be up to the site itself to request a change rather than having the limit imposed upon it (unless we lower the maximum for the entire network). So for example, Stack Overflow can't vote to kick Movies & TV off the list entirely because they don't want to see spoilers for the last season of Game of Thrones [...]
TBH, with the amount of SO users, SO could do anything if they want...
Like, snapping a finger
Can Stack Overflow users snap my finger?
maybe they do every time you snap a finger
4:06 AM
Q: Where should I ask questions about using TI-84 calculators?

StormblessedI have a question about why my TI-84 graphing calculator graphs things in a certain way. Specifically, it’s about why the TI-84 can’t display circles properly and there’s always a vertical gap. It is not related to programming, and thus not for Stack Overflow, I think. It isn't really about mat...

@Stormblessed err... everyone here reads meta
Hi, just want to put my question in here, as I have been waiting for an answer a few days
and I'm not actually sure
That notification sound here is cool
@JourneymanGeek Makes sense
THere's no good place for graphical calculator questions
or tbh oddly "gadgety" questions
I don't even now any real onsite chat or offsite resource that would be 'good' at this
4:15 AM
@Stormblessed it's the best.
Would a flag requesting that the migration history on this post be cleared since it was originally migrated from Stack Overflow and would be locked and deleted as a rejected migration once that happens, be dismissed as helpful or declined?
It's no longer useful as the site link is broken (and is being closed as such), but it has a high (+76) score, so is it worth retaining?
4:39 AM
@SonictheWizardWerehog The critical question is...
what's the point?
The link is to the post history...
which works for me
the question ... does it actually have any value now?
@JourneymanGeek No, I was referring to the fact that the question will be locked and deleted once it gets closed because it will be marked as a "rejected migration". By that time, the revision history link will 404 (it doesn't because it's a non-rejected migration).
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I was actually about to submit such a flag, but decided against it for this reason. I figured I'd ask in chat to confirm my opinion.
deleted the post shrug
If someone asks about the stub then we can deal with it
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6:38 AM
@JourneymanGeek Do you get paid for asking things? Damn
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no
but not all value is monitary...
even if being paid is lovely
Eye roll of course it is
See, money can buy love too
or at least negotiable affection
6:59 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I get paid by "what have you tried" comments
7:25 AM
@g3rv4 installing hidden malware on @g3r computer to log all his actions :P
@JourneymanGeek huh? Who was stubbed? o_O
7:49 AM
11 messages moved to Chimney
8:03 AM
I've just merged a question for the first time!
And that made me thinking... is there a tool/SEDE query to find 100% duplicate as-is questions?
because for this case, OP reposted a question on the correct site before OP's another question got migrated due the correct site
please read "due" as "to" with style
8:32 AM
looking at dog and parrot who can magically edit
8:48 AM
I refuse. :P
!!/force @Tink to edit @Book's message
@ShadowWizard No such command 'force'.
@Mithrandir No such command 'tink-edit-force'.
@Bookends Try the SEDE room and/or ping rene
@ShadowWizard Please don't waste API quota
8:57 AM
SELECT Id FROM Posts WHERE Body = Body
@Bookends That would just find all posts, since the body of each post equals itself
@SonictheWizardWerehog what are you talking about?
what API??
If you don't want people to use Smokey for fun, ask its developers to remove the fun commands and remove the "No such command" message.
I know and respect you don't like fun, but don't force it on others.
@ShadowWizard No, no, not saying not to use fun commands; just saying that you shouldn't overuse them. See chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4157790#4157790
Should the spam flags be cleared on this?
Poor Uni.. wasn't the issue is with Smokey's noisey reply (and thus - suffix was implemented)
@SonictheWizardWerehog still no slight idea what you talk about. What API? How the transcript you linked is related? It's not fun commands at all.
9:09 AM
@ShadowWizard Sorry, it was my misunderstanding. I thought the block there was due to too many messages, not a rate limit.
@Bookends Uni?? Anyway, no flags should be cleared, it's spam.
Any spammer can write "test, don't mark as spam". So what??
If a legit user want to test posting spam they must coordinate it first with the site mods and users.
@ShadowWizard Yeah, the presence of a spam URL threw off my trust, so I'm checking in CHQ to see if it was a legit test.
@ShadowWizard the transcript that was linked. It's when Uni trying to subscribe to Smokey on all sites manually
@SonictheWizardWerehog Probably it is, just done is a very bad way.
@Bookends and?
Still don't see where this is leading to.
you're correct, the transcript didn't lead to anything useful for this case
9:13 AM
If you mean Smokey fell due to lots of messages it's wrong, I often play WAG in Den and there are hundreds of messages in a short while to and from a bot, and the bot never crash due to it.
And still no clue what API @Sonic was talking about.
@ShadowWizard My misunderstanding. It's the API for querying sites for the purposes of scanning posts.
Not chat
@SonictheWizardWerehog So probably !!/test should be rate limited, yes.
(since it's likely using that same API?)
e.g. one !!/test command every minute or so. (No matter from what user)
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by iBug
@gparyani Yes. Trying to determine whether MS is vulnerable to XSS (whence the spammy last paragraph)
I guess that settles that "test". Is it worth clearing spam flags on it though?
@SonictheWizardWerehog no.
And the test account can be safely nuked.
User made mistake, they should face consequences.
And if they keep doing it, main account should be suspended.
@ShadowWizard Not sure that this was necessarily consequence-worthy; Smokey doesn't report posts from high-rep users (so a 1-rep account is necessary to get an SD report for a post).
That said, it would have been better if they coordinated this test with a mod before doing it.
9:23 AM
13 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard
If a legit user want to test posting spam they must coordinate it first with the site mods and users.
@ɪBᴜɢ didn't do it ^
That's the mistake.
(not making the test itself.)
@ShadowWizard True
@SonictheWizardWerehog and here in chat, yeah.
@ShadowWizard Yep
9:35 AM
throwing Discord on @Journeyman
@angussidney you're Smokey dev, right? Is the !!/test command rate limited, to prevent the API quote from draining out? If not, can it be rate limited?
!!/help test
@ShadowWizard I'm SmokeDetector a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
!!/test this
> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.
doesn't look like scanning the post, instead testing its own dictionary
@Bookends oh. Well, so no risk. :)
9:44 AM
@ShadowWizard you were doing exactly what she was talking about lol
This cord?
10:04 AM
@Bookends Discord :P That place where, if I start it up, my brothers go 'LOOK WHO'S STILL ALIVE!' :P
@ShadowWizard No rate limiting on !!/test except you may slow Smokey down by getting it rate-limited by SE chat.
Yay! Fun!
Q: On April 1, have the "Papers, Please" music playing while we're in the review queues

jthillThe idea got ahold of me and I haven't been able to get it out of my head for a while (much like the music), so I figure hey, maybe it'll be worth considering.

@Bookends Grinches... grinches everywhere :P
10:19 AM
Someone touched the auth code again.
@SonictheWizardWerehog done
@Bookends Glory to Arstotzka.
@ShadowWizard was actually trying to test metasmoke, not anything on SE
@ɪBᴜɢ But an SE site was still involved in the test.
I just know. I'll take this care next time.
I feel something is strange with chat ping notification... looks like I always get the notification now...
10:37 AM
4x kaboom
@ShadowWizard as iBug said, we don't have any specific ratelimiting on that command - to my knowledge, the only commands with specific ratelimits are the !!/report and !!/allspam commands. The !!/test command doesn't make any API requests to SE, but it may make requests to some 3rd-party sites for DNS info, toxic post detection via Perspective AI, etc
However, the API quota isn't too much of an issue - usually, we finish up the day with around 25% remaining (we carefully provision how we use the quota to avoid using it all up)
If it ever becomes an issue, I'm sure we could contact SE and they wouldn't have any issues with raising our limit again
Q: Intermittently cannot dismiss chat ping notification

FedericoI often am in chat to be reachable by users and other moderators. Sometimes I happen to receive a ping while I am online. For the past few months it often happens that I cannot dismiss the notification (i.e. the "1" on the top right corner of my avatar located on the bottom left corner of the s...

@ɪBᴜɢ so maybe have a test site, not SE, where Smokey will also listen?
@angussidney oh. Thanks, so what's the limit on !!/report?
A handful of sites have started discussing which kind of questions should be excluded from HNQ: Academia.SE, Apple.SE, Crypto.SE, Spanish.SE,
(did I miss a TL note?)
And the next one after SO is...
Q: 10 years anniversary of Server Fault

ArulkumarIs there any plan for Server Fault's 10th year anniversary? The first question posted on Server Fault on April 30, 2009. Few months before Stack Overflow celebrated their 10th year Anniversary by creating the anniversary page.

@Bookends I don't think so? You did see this, right? :P
> I recommend each site have a meta discussion with guidance for moderators about when - if ever - a question should be removed.
So far, there's only 4? That's not that much.
10:54 AM
Yeah, perhaps I personally think it's too quick to have such discussion...
Pre-emptive is great, but blanket rule might be not :/
I dunno. I can see removing questions on certain topics from HNQ... though saying 'all questions tagged 'relationship' on IPS shall be removed from HNQ as soon as a mod notices it's on there' is a bit problematic ;)
It's a discussion these sites need to have though, and IPS is going to need a similar one if the community wants to go back on HNQ.
Yep, and after looking the positive rework on HNQ, fingers still crossed for further improvement :)
11:10 AM
@Bookends When is SU's?
I dunno. Ask the Geek Dog™️?
11:51 AM
@SonictheWizardWerehog july 15th I guess
@JourneymanGeek On July 22, 2010, a bunch of posts were migrated from then-MSO, now MSE to MSU. Why is that?
@SonictheWizardWerehog Donno. What posts?
@JourneymanGeek Quite a few: search migrated:1
If you want me to take the effort.... ;p
12:26 PM
Any twitter experts around? What does the text in square brackets means here? Is it name of a story, or group of tweets?
As it appears out of context I assume that's the case, but hard to follow...
@ShadowWizard "Little League" is a U.S. term for a children's baseball (sport) league.
So this is a joke subject?
Yeah, saw others with it now. (Format, not same text)
@ShadowWizard The brackets help indicate that that is the context of the tweet: a Little League game.
1:24 PM
I wanna
@Bookends do what?
dunno ._.
@Bookends zigazig ah?
I wanna dunno?
Well, knowledge is a curse
1:44 PM
A group of hedgehogs is called an array, which means that everything in an array is a hedgehog, I don't make the rules
@Sonic FYI ^
@ShadowWizard er...that's a converse fallacy
It's a joke. :)
Last I checked Tweets are meant to be fallacious
The ones containing legit info are doing it wrong
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ and buried without anyone ever Liking them.
Truth is boring. :D
Factual info - 0 retweet, 2 likes
Nonfactual info - 12853 retweets, 57984 likes
1:50 PM
Nonfactual info from someone with 1M followers - 1275651 Likes
A tweet literally saying "good morning" - 31 retweets, 291 likes :)
2:02 PM
@Bookends try 2.4K retweets, 7.9K likes....
Good morning Good morning Good morning Good morning Good morning ah LG x
Five is at least two too many. — shoover 14 hours ago
Uh, why do people not realize that some sites are just not hot enough?
Not if we're talking chocolate bars.
Odd number of chocolate bars
Who does that?!
I do! One for mom, one for dad, one for brother1, one for brother2 and one for me! :D
5 is a perfect amount to share :D
Nicol Bolas for moderator! — Josh Caswell yesterday
Terrifying in the context of a restaurant
@Tinkeringbell Except there are three more whose location is undisclosed
Do you expect me to believe everyone gets their fair share, comrade . . . ss?
2:14 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ actually, I intended to reply with: "normalize (penalize) all sites so each of them have always the same amount of probability to get into HNQ"
but then, I realized there are 173 sites, but only 100 slot for HNQ...
... or just expand HNQ to HQN (the Hottest Question on the Network)
How is that expansion?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Of course not. I never said I would share, just that 5 was a perfect amount of doing so :P
but then there's gamification... and thus FGITW, SCITE, and HQITS
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ dunno, thermodienamic might work
I believe FGITW is too SHCYTS for XYHAKS to happen. Do you concur?
2:48 PM
That looks scary.
@Alex Why?
@Mithrandir For some reason I'm imagining something nefarious right around the bend.
Well, depending on which side you're on, there's me.
The global disable option for HNQ is the best new thing on SE since... I don't know, maybe dropping closeflags from mod flag queue.
3:11 PM
@Mithrandir That could be pretty nefarious...
There's also a waterfall. But I'm more nefarious.
and now.... all network-wide meta posts that are asking about "hiding HNQ"... how many are there? :/
Unfortunately, there is no global setting for hiding those.
3:44 PM
>>> all([])  # yes, it's vacuously true
>>> all(char.islower() for char in "")  # same
>>> "".islower()     # logically the same as previous line
Is vacuous truth really this hard to understand? :/
I suspect there's a stubborn desire to reject it
@ShadowWizard The photo was taken standing on Birya; dunno what the mountain in the background is :P
Time to identify the mountain on Travel...
Looks like Travel is mostly concerned with MAX 8.
Does anything that happens twice in a year become a tradition?
4:03 PM
@MSOGA There have been crashes involving the prior 737 series - both the 737 Classic's British Midland crash and the 737 NG's Ducommun scandal.
All I can say is that I have no particular interest in the aircraft model of my Thursday flight.
But it's probably some sad tiny plane and not 737 at all.
4:22 PM
4:36 PM
I missed the email address :?
"shares at 125.."
@MSOGA In a twist of irony, I'm scheduled to fly on the 737's main competitor, the A320, this Saturday. (Then return on the 737, but on the older and more reliable NG.)
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6:48 PM
Hey @SonictheWizardWerehog I intentionally didn't link to the IPS meta post. Do you think you could rework your answer to remove those links? I'm worried that they're drawing more attention than necessary to that discussion.
6:59 PM
Top scores in recent primaries:
6: Martijn Pieters 10817
7: Ed Cottrell 11888
8: Aaron Hall 15985
9: Andy 13186
10: Rob 11284
11: (in progress) Baum mit Augen is currently at 9280
Trivia: what was the last non-SO election to have a primary round?
None since 2016, although Math came close in 2017 (had 9 candidates).
@Catija The link to your new meta post only, or all links to the site?
@SonictheWizardWerehog The one I wrote.
7:16 PM
Thanks. :)
What do you think of the actual feature proposal, though?
I think it's pretty drastic and I'd rather try out what we're doing before going there.
8:02 PM
Add the ability to ignore users is the highest scoring post with : 217 vs 125 for the runner-up.
@MSOGA And I happen to be the user with the most questions
Robert Harvey got his 2nd diamond
And Tezos became the first SE 2.0 site in which the first set of moderators was elected rather than appointed.
(The trilogy sites had some quasi-elections of moderators way back in the days.)
@MSOGA I don't think Tezos was first in that...
@MSOGA How likely is it, in your opinion, that additional users will be called in to meet additional demand on SO?
@EKons It was. They're referring to the very first appointed moderators upon finishing private beta, not later in the site's life.
I think a few other sites have also had such experimental elections already
8:24 PM
Nope, Tezos is the first site to entirely forgo pro-tem mods.
Other sites had experimental beta-stage elections after some mods were already appointed.
The moderators on SESE did not change for a long time, so I had to do some research. Timeline:
2010-09-23 +ChrisF +Fishtoaster
2010-09-24 +bigown
2011-01-04 +Walter
2011-01-12 +Mark Trapp
2011-02-05e +Josh K +Adam Lear =ChrisF -Fishtoaster -bigown -Walter -Mark Trapp
2011-04-11 +Mark Trapp
2012-02-07e +Thomas Owens +yannis
2012-03-05 +maple_shaft -Mark Trapp (then deleted)
2013-03-05e +World Engineer
2019-03-12e +Robert Harvey +GlenH7
Mark Trapp was appointed, then not elected, then kind-of-elected (additional winner), then resigned, then had the account deleted.
Quite a commotion in 2011.
Thanks. Totally forgot, although I was following, and voted in, that election.
Feb 26 '18 at 21:46, by user315433
Magento primary began, 19 candidates. The last time any site had that many was the Fall 2015 election on SO (also 19). Since then, SO had 12 candidates in 2016, and 12 again in 2017.
I asked the same question in the SO mod room, some 11hrs back, so remembered.
Also no one forgets the job board nominations..
8:52 PM
I am okay with being 100% male... (re: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/381180)
@MSOGA As a chemist-ling, I have a hard time believing that
Everything is a spectrum dude
Nothing is truly cova . . . male
A game that is equally popular in every demographic group... is a game that nobody plays.
A game that made nothing
Wait, I mixed up the proverbs
9:12 PM
@AbhinavSaxena the point I feel you're missing is this: you could be the best English speaker on the planet, knowing all the rules of grammar and what syntax is easiest to read. That still doesn't mean you should be editing posts on grammar alone, at least not until you have 2k rep. Just because a post could gave better grammar doesn't mean it needs to. SO is more about getting the point across effectively than beautifully. If you want to suggest edits, try finding posts with formatting issues, dead source links, etc, that you can fix. Avoid grammatical corrections altogether. — TheWanderer 9 hours ago
Wait, no
I think all my edits are grammar on SO
But it's not "online grammar", whatever the hell that is
The "that" is unnecessary and the "the" is flat out wrong, don't blame the rejection on grammar
I reject
someone just nuked nuclear fusion ...
I never had much trouble getting either grammatical or orthographic suggestions approved.
I have a suggested edit that's grammar that's been pending for nine days.
Is the site Tor, by any chance?
9:18 PM
You have 172 guesses left
I think this is my record: proposed December 30, approved February 21.
@rene Double boom?
Oh, I have a long way to go to beat the record...
@Tinkeringbell Not sure what happens if you disturb such experiments but I think I settle for a double boom ...
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11:17 PM
Commence a delete-undelete war in the name of diversity.

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