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Journeyman Geek

12:01 AM

Morning

Tinkeringbell

No, no... I haven't even slept yet :P

Journeyman Geek

I got woken up by someone else's alarm

Tinkeringbell

:( I hate it when that happens.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

1:01 AM

Rollback war: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10647/…

ArtOfCode

@SonictheWizardWerehog flag

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ArtOfCode Already did so before posting that message

ArtOfCode

cool

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

FYI the user has been repeatedly told in the comments that top-voted FAQ answers are intended to be edited routinely to account for community consensus, yet they've refused to budge.

user302202

2:29 AM

@trichoplax Code Golf folks have been great. I really appreciate your help and you all will be duly rewarded. 🌟 — Joe Friend Aug 21 '18 at 19:28

user302202

Curious what the duly reward will be.

user302202

Or was it given already? Maybe Joe meant that Unicode star at the end.

Journeyman Geek

2:56 AM

@MSOGA we might never know

Rob

3:28 AM

Starco duly vs. triple:

The other definition is from the Cambridge Dictionary: "In the correct way or at the correct time; as expected." - so being a volunteer organization I guess that means they'll find you more work to do.

user312109

3:45 AM

@Catija I wasn't a problem. Who reparented me?

user312109

He could have warned me and not messed me up on all the chats.

user312109

and if your suspended for that site. Then why isn't it designed to also block chat?

user312109

@Catija I think a mod there has it out for me and I should be punished for participating

user312109

4:03 AM

Can someone please help me fix my account? I have been wrongfully suspended from chatting by a mod. I just want my chat privileges back.

user312109

anyone?

user312109

How is above a mod?

user312109

who

Bookends

4:19 AM

@Muze Use 'contact us' to appeal to SE

user312109

4:45 AM

@Bookends thanks I did. Nothing.

Bookends

then that's the conclusion: SE seems to agree with mods' actions

user312109

@Bookends Shame

Bookends

🤷‍♀️

Journeyman Geek

5:06 AM

Ok. Muze. We talked about how this wasn't an appropriate forum for this. Then you were suspended a week to cool down.

Yet we're back where we started

If something didn't work.. maybe try something new.

Spend a little thought about why your questions don't do well, and you get suspended.

Might want to spend a little time cooling off again and consider the other point of view. See you in two weeks

Rob

A duly.

Bookends

5:21 AM

Dull-y.

Journeyman Geek

hands @Bookends a whetstone

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

a wizard arachnid, somewhere

792 1 3 18

Guess we have another wizard

MEE the setup wizard

7:22 AM

Morning

Morning

Morning

Night

7:48 AM

Morning... too early of it

Shadow Wizard

8:00 AM

Whoa, I see a Circle of Wizards has been formed! :D

@JourneymanGeek now that's something I totally agree with. Thanks. (Was going to say something about Muze, but no need now.)

@Mooseman lol just wanted to lure you in here. ;)

So... what's up? :D

@YvetteColomb thanks!

@M.A.R. twitter is also blocked for you?

@SupaMegaDuckyMomodaWaffle hehe, I share my wand with those worthy for it. :P

umm

So, where were we? going out silently

@Catija think it's better to lock that faq answer with the edit war, otherwise the one who keeps rolling back the edit will do it again. No?

(unless something was told in comments which are deleted by now.)

Journeyman Geek

8:17 AM

@ShadowWizard it was.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek good. Hopefully that person understands now what faq is?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard by the looks of it.

Shadow Wizard

:)

Journeyman Geek

I didn't handle the roll back war thought. Handled the comments

MEE the setup wizard

@JourneymanGeek where was the edit war?

Shadow Wizard

8:19 AM

@JourneymanGeek I know, Catija is the last to edit, hence I pinged her.

The answer to this. @MEE

Well, top answer. It should be one, but only very few can manage to "merge" answers on faq in a good way, e.g. @Sonic.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Aye

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Instagram?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Probably not blocked

I don't use either anyway.

And my FB account is there because some android games required it

It's not even my real name, just two random cities

Shadow Wizard

@MEE " lenon-Stack Overflow"???? lol. Anyway, title is crucial, please pay double attention when editing it, and review your edit after it's done.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Startst a rollback wart on that extrat t

Shadow Wizard

8:28 AM

You made it into a real unreadable mess.

MEE the setup wizard

@ShadowWizard Oops, I intended to say non-Stack Overflow account because this is important for the question. Will kep your guidance in mind next time.

Shadow Wizard

@MEEthesetupwizard I know, but you also had another typo in the end of the title.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ouch

MEE the setup wizard

Ah, that is where the lenon comes from.

Shadow Wizard

Auto correct?

MEE the setup wizard

No, touch screen

Shadow Wizard

8:30 AM

You like Lenon songs?

MEE the setup wizard

The touch screen triggered a click while editing and moved the cursor

Shadow Wizard

ohh

heh

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I got no computer access here so I leave the complex flags to others ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh, it was flagged? Not by me this time...

Talking about flags..... where's @Tink? :D

MEE the setup wizard

@ShadowWizard The revision history indicates that an autoflag may have been raised (amount of rollbacks)

Shadow Wizard

8:37 AM

Tinkering the Flagging Wizard

wait, how you call the one handling flags?

MEE the setup wizard

@ShadowWizard moderator? :p

Shadow Wizard

@MEEthesetupwizard meh.. something cooler ;)

@MEEthesetupwizard oh

MEE the setup wizard

I think the limit is 3 rollbacks/hour. And this seems to be fulfilled.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard auto and manual flags.

@ShadowWizard someone who needs to make better lifestyle and wardrobe choices

I accidentally packed two SE T-shirts

Shadow Wizard

8:52 AM

Tinkering the Sock Wizard?

:D

Tinkeringbell

9:08 AM

@ShadowWizard It's Sunday. Being up and about at 10am is early!

Shadow Wizard

9:25 AM

@Tinkeringbell hehe but here you are! :D

Tinkeringbell

Yeah. I guess. Sort of.

Shadow Wizard

@Journeyman this smells of spam. No?

clears nose

Better now, spam smell is gone. :D

Journeyman Geek

9:52 AM

Leaning towards naa, but have the 30GW flysWATTer on the ready

rene

10:38 AM

Do we have a consensus when SO for Teams bugs should go on MSO? I ask because of an issue reported here: meta.stackexchange.com/q/324417/158100

Tinkeringbell

@rene I hate those kinds of tags.... 'Most questions should go on MSO' > WHICH ONES!!!!!

(I encountered a few similar ones on here... with no guidance on what should go to MSO and what can stay on MSE)

MEE the setup wizard

I would propose that all questions that involve teams and effect other sites than SO too (as this one or @ɪBᴜɢ's Slack association question) should be on-topic here.

rene

yeah. I personally think that questions about stuff that breaks network-wide are by definition on-topic on MSE.

MEE the setup wizard

Should I suggest this as a tag excerpt?

(the idea, not the wording)

Tinkeringbell

I guess anything that would make that tag clearer than 'most stuff should go on MSO' is good.

rene

10:41 AM

If that is the general consensus, the wiki needs updating

not sure if we count as general consensus

MEE the setup wizard

@rene Well this definition seems to be mostly common sense: What is about SO only? MSO, What is about the whole network? MSE.

rene

agree

Tinkeringbell

Perhaps meta it on meta first if you're not sure ;)

MEE the setup wizard

@Tinkeringbell okay, I am writing a post and add a self-answer with my opinion. (Message exists only to prevent duplicates @rene)

I agree that this looks like a valid bug report, but I'm 99% certain that the Teams team monitors MSO more than MSE, so I'm going to migrate this post over there to be on the safe side. — Adam Lear ♦ Feb 8 at 22:11

forest

11:01 AM

rene

11:32 AM

Does anyone happen to know if the Feeds bot (the SE bot that fetches rss feeds to be posted in chatrooms) has any restrictions I should be aware of? For example the number of items it will process, or feed url format? Can someone take a peek at the code? Otherwise I have to figure that out by experimenting ... (this is not a threat)

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Shadow Wizard

@rene if the bug affects other sites (as in that question) then it should be reported on MSE.

@forest welcome back! (?)

Journeyman Geek

@rene I think it's part of SE chat

Shadow Wizard

@rene updated wiki to say about same thing, just more clear. Can be rolled back if you/@Tink want.

Journeyman Geek

I think it just grabs the latest item periodically

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Ehhh. The post has been up for just 40 minutes. Perhaps give it more time before saying 'consensus'? (I saw the same happening on the rep-ability tag... at least give people time to see it before burninating a tag...)

Journeyman Geek

11:42 AM

I don't think anyone will mind if you science the shed out if it in a suitable room.

@Tinkeringbell thought... Adam's been shunting those posts over as he sees them

Seems reasonable

rene

@JourneymanGeek we're currently doing that

Journeyman Geek

Thought we would want people flagging for migration over closing

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek This is about the tag excerpt on here for 'stack-overflow-for-teams'... it says 'most things go on MSO' without clarifying more... which is annoying me ;)

Journeyman Geek

Lol

Tinkeringbell

So MEE made a post on meta asking about editing the excerpt..

and Shadow edited it within 45 minutes of that being posted :P

Journeyman Geek

11:45 AM

You've been a mod long enough to know things get fuzzy ;p

Uhm

I really am looking forward to proper computer access

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell not talking about the post, saw it only after posting here. :)

But "most questions" is really not helpful or clear, so clarified that part.

Bookends

12:20 PM

@rene bsaed on what I found somewhere on MSE, 30 posts. And that's probably why all RSS on SE only provides 30 items.

rene

Then what happens if I offer > 30 items?

Bookends

Feb 14 at 15:57, by Blue

@Bookends It seems the Feeds is still only posting 30 out of the 100 HNQs in that room. Maybe we have to write the whole URL by hand with all the site names separated by +'s. ;_;

rene

ah, no. This is how it needs to be done then: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/1315/…

Journeyman Geek

Ow

rene

we're discussing here: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/1223/data-explorer-sede to prevent a lot of chatter in this room only relevant to a few of us

Bookends

12:27 PM

I feel like flagging that MSE post for comment clean-up, but on the other hand, I'm not sure either what should be cleaned up, so I put down the flag...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

12:37 PM

@Bookends Usually flaggers overthink it way more than the mods

@rene tsk tsk tsk elitist

I like how any attempt to categorize basically anything, even probably manure can be distorted into elitism

Hmm, is it just me or does the 2020 US election feels like a lot of Trump clones running for president?

Eh, the more the merrier I guess. Years of theatrical performances await at the White House

Hopefully by the time this one is done with the house it's still white and not brown

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ we have election in two months here. First time in many years we'll have only two major parties, most small parties merged into them.

As for Trump clones, well, can't blame them. They use what's proved to work.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard It's way more fun if you have one single target for your political accusations

Shadow Wizard

(i.e. being rude, vulgar, etc.)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Lots of targets are no fun

@ShadowWizard the being etc. part gets me the most

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ true. Here those who lose blame those who win for all problems, then when they win and those exact problems still exist without a tiny hint of something being done to fix them, they still blame others.

Politics 101. ^

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ tweet a lot?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

12:45 PM

Sometimes it all feels like a balloon that's about to burst. Especially considering a new global economy crisis is probably underway

Shadow Wizard

Pee a lot? (only according to "rumors"! ;))

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard I do imagine with the number of lies he has to say to people's face everyday he has to have good kidneys or the kidney stones will kill him

^ New requirement for politics university students

Or future billionaires who want to run for president

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ not talking about this... lol

Waffles!

Hurry I'll edit it ^

Not NSFW but... disturbing, so you can see link in edit history. :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Don't think that part really depends on my personal stance on him . . . every politician lies on a regular basis

It's only when you single out the lying that it feels extraordinary

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm trying not to be a nuisance ... you're free to join our elitist discussion there ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

12:52 PM

109

Q: Coworker asking me to not bring cakes due to self control issue. What should I do?

Sometimes I bring cakes to work, e.g. leftovers from birthday party to one of the family members. Most coworkers are happy about it and eat them without a problem, however one employee doesn't want to eat the cake, however finds himself eating it anyway due to lack of self control. Most of the ...

colleagues israel

I am REALLY starting to associate Hebrew culture with cakes

Buy your coworker a remote

I wonder if part of Mith's army blood tests involved measuring blood cake content

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ hehe, based on this? I'm honored. :D

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ remote what? ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Well, for the past two months that I have been sporadically visiting this chat, it was either you or Mith baking cakes and taking pics

With weird names too

Shadow Wizard

The cake is still in office, fun fact: coworker still eating from it, while I eat cinnamon cookies. I'll try to apply the tips starting next time, lol.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah @Mith only post nature pics

Mithrandir

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm critically low

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

He (?) probably wouldn't have if it wasn't there, to be fair

When you're on a diet, you're explicitly thinking about food. A good tip to dieters is to keep the fatty stuff away from eyesight

"Don't think about food." -> thinks about food

@Mithrandir preparing for those sprinting and running and jumping tests?

You gotta run a mile in one frigging minute or you're a penguin

Bookends

1:00 PM

Nah... I'm more likely to think "I'm full, my stomach is aching" repeatedly...

Mithrandir

I'm a penguin.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Coworker? Yeah, it's a "he".

Mooseman

@ShadowWizard AHHHH THE MOOSE BAIT

@ShadowWizard I am getting ready to move to my new job in a few months. Life is going pretty well. And you?

Shadow Wizard

1:13 PM

@Mooseman always working! :D

@Mooseman glad to hear! What new job? What you do until then? Here same old same... no exciting news. :)

!!/ask @Mooseman to bring @Moosebot back

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'ask'.

Bookends

1:24 PM

!!/given @Moosebot

SmokeDetector

@Bookends No such command 'given'.

Shadow Wizard

!!/give in to @Book

rene

1:54 PM

Is anyone here using Google DNS? the 8.8.8.8 one? If so, care to visit socvr.org and tell me what you see?

Shaymin

The downtime is a DNS issue?

rene

yes

Shaymin

Well, [status-repro] with 1.1.1.1 with a fallback to the ISP DNS.

rene

It looks like google has the correct dns entries but the rest not ...

Shaymin

weird

rene

2:01 PM

yes, I've already pushed all buttons the registrar offers

Bookends

@Shaymin I thought this is you >_>

Shaymin

^^"

Anne Daunted

Does the bug tag make sense here?

Shadow Wizard

@Bookends duplicate user!!!

lol

Shaymin

@ShadowWizard no u

Shadow Wizard

2:09 PM

@Shaymin well at least I openly admit being a dupe! :D

Shaymin

;)

Bookends

@AnneDaunted looks like support or discussion. definitely not bug because it's status-bydesign

Shadow Wizard

@AnneDaunted well, it's due to OP not knowing how the system works, so it can be marked as by design. Better leave it to SE staff to decide.

(they often remove bug tags)

Anne Daunted

Thanks

Shadow Wizard

@rene not this buttton!

Shaymin

2:12 PM

lmao

rene

@ShadowWizard Ah, missed that one. I overlooked it ...

Journeyman Geek

@rene maybe long ttl?

rene

@JourneymanGeek yeah and I guess it doesn't help if set that shorter now, assuming I even can set it.

Journeyman Geek

You can set it, but ya... Mostly pointless

Shadow Wizard

2:41 PM

@rene too red?

rene

yep

user302202

4:03 PM

A question that appears to not be covered by Coffee yet - how does the taste of coffee change if you drop a coin in it while handling change after the purchase?

user302202

Probably too broad, though. Should specify the country and denomination.

Shadow Wizard

Ask on @MSO ;)

user302202

I think it was a penny (U.S.) So far the coffee tastes good.

Shadow Wizard

Well, coins are one of the dirtiest things that exist as countless people touch them. So bad taste is the least of one's worries when such thing happens. :D

user302202

So you're saying it's more of a Medical Sciences question...

Shadow Wizard

4:07 PM

@MSOGA not to mention the chance you'll swallow the coin, in which case taste won't be relevant either. lol

@MSOGA hmm.... might fit there too, yes. ;)

user302202

No worries, I considered the size of the opening in the coffee cup lid. The coin is larger.

Shadow Wizard

Or life hacks: "How to avoid swallowing a coin that fell into my coffee?"

Bookends

4:27 PM

@MSOGA I'm still amazed how you rack those votes on smaller SE sites...

user384163

Hello. I was just searching Meta to see if there was a question along the lines of "What do I do when an answer doesn't answer my question?" I am aware of:

user384163

575

Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

discussion link-only-answers not-an-answer

user384163

and

user384163

10

Q: When is an answer not an answer?

Whilst reviewing answers I came across an answer that was several paragraphs long and I imagine that without reading it there are those who might consider it to be ok and happily move on to the next answer in the review queue. After reading the answer I decided to flag it as not an answer, becau...

discussion review flags declined-flags not-an-answer

user384163

I am not looking to flag it as not an answer. I am looking for how to increase the likelihood that I get an answer to my actual question. (as it stands the answer has upvotes so the question is no longer unanswered)

Mithrandir

4:36 PM

You can try commenting on the answer, or clarifying the original question.

If it actually doesn't answer the question, though, you should flag as not at answer. That's... what that flag is for.

user384163

I thought it qualified it as a bad answer not not an answer

user384163

@Mithrandir I did do both those things.

user302202

Yes, a lot of things that are posted as answers are unsatisfactory answers.

user384163

exactly

user302202

So, the OP doesn't have what they want, but an NAA flag will be declined.

user384163

4:44 PM

TBH its a great answer. Just to a different question

user302202

Standard advice: set a bounty

user384163

ohh good idea. thanks

user384163

Do you think people will benefit from this conversation in the future? is it worth posting this as a question on MSE?

user302202

647

Q: How do I get attention for one of my own questions without a good answer?

I asked a question almost as soon as I got my account. I got a few decent answers, but none of them helped solve my problem. The question has long since become buried by newer questions, and there's still no accepted answer. Unfortunately, because there are quite a few answers with votes, to a ca...