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1:32 AM

ugh...

ɪʙᴜɢ

OK, Question here: Whose alphabet goes M, N O, P, R, Q, S, T, ...? — ɪʙᴜɢ 41 mins ago

Catija

So edit it?

ɪʙᴜɢ

lol, jff

Fabby

2:02 AM

@ɪʙᴜɢ Ah, the famous dyslectic alphabet!

>:-) ;-) >:-)

Thanks again! 0:-)

How I felt after you answered

How I felt after the edit

Journeyman Geek

2:47 AM

@Fabby dyslexic

Journeyman Geek

4:12 AM

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Optimus Prime

Yesterday I ordered a Mi Band 2 on Amazon for 1799. Today, the price increased to 2200.

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Magisch

morning

rene

morning

Tinkeringbell

morning

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

6:41 AM

morning

Mithrandir

6:59 AM

mornin'

Journeyman Geek

Hi

o_-

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rene

afk

Bart

7:29 AM

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard oooh Chomsky. He's awesome.

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Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Are you doing sit-ups?

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell no, I have a slightly sore eye ;p

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek slightly sore? It looks completely swollen shut :P

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell oh it was the past two days ._.

Tinkeringbell

7:37 AM

:( Not fun.

Journeyman Geek

might be 3. Started up over my nightshift

Pushed through that, and was basically on generic actifed-clones since the sore eye was due to my sinuses acting up....

Which incidentally knocked me out for a day

Tinkeringbell

But you're getting better now?

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Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell somewhat

Bart

Lol, that spammer got the informed badge :D

Derpy

7:48 AM

> Sounds like it couldn't be properly implemented ~~on SE~~

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Good :)

Derpy

Here, fixed it for you, @Magisch

Tinkeringbell

Strange though... I had to learn through this chatroom and Imgur about those articles being one step further to being implemented. Nothing in the news, they are all over the article 7 procedure against Hungary and Poland

Derpy

BTW, please please please SE Staff. Please do like wikipedia did once and block every European ip. I know it will be bad for us, but at least it will make a lot of noise on the news.

Journeyman Geek

:)

I am somewhat doubtful that will happen, at least ~~reading tea leaves~~ considering that a good chunk of their expansion on careers seems to be in germany

Bart

7:54 AM

@Tinkeringbell article 7 is sexy drama. Bit of copyright law - "which we only really use to protect the poor newspapers and artists" - is not.

Magisch

if SE blocks european IPs first of all I'ma use a proxy and second of all I'll travel to belgium and picket with a handmade sign until the law is repealed

Bart

Combine that with general tech illiteracy ...

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch the really funny thing is...

the server I use when my ISP is being a pain (and sometimes blocking sites I want to go to intentionally, though more often not)... is in france.

I'd need to go look for an american host ._.

Tinkeringbell

@Bart Probably ;) Doesn't mean it's strange that this does have the potency to influence my life more than drama in Hungary ;)

Bart

Absolutely

Journeyman Geek

7:56 AM

@Bart and then folks start automating take down notices....

Magisch

I find it hilarious how hard the newspaper publishers misplayed their hand there though

Bart

@Magisch and don't realize it yet

Journeyman Geek

@Bart or don't care

Magisch

Thinking this law would allow them to appropriate money from google. Google is just gonna do the same thing they did with music royalty laws. "Oh you won't give us a free license? K, we won't index you then. See ya wouldn't wanna be ya"

Journeyman Geek

Cause quite literally no one really cares about anyone else do they :(

Magisch

7:57 AM

And suddenly your website is worthless.

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch then they sue for not being indexed

Bart

That's all fine and well ... until they start to realize the effect it will have on their modernized newspaper infrastructure and their heavy use of online content @JourneymanGeek

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Hasn't worked in the past

Google can erase off the internet whomever they want

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch you expect people to exercise common sense?

that said what is a usable way to make money off news...

Magisch

I would expect billion dollar companies to have at least someone with an iota of foresight on the board, yes.

Journeyman Geek

7:59 AM

advertisements don't really pay the bills any more in the age of adblock

Magisch

That's entirely self inflicted

Journeyman Geek

Not really

Its more simple economics

Magisch

If they made advertisements less scattershot garbage and less prone to infecting your PC a lot fewer people would use adblock

Bart

^

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch so here's the funny thing

I have no easy way of whitelisting sites

Bart

8:01 AM

What do you use then?

Journeyman Geek

cause I'd happily whitelist any site that had a simple "turn off ads and see" option

@Bart I block em all, natch

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch If I could have more adblock in my life, I'd activate it. There's too many ads!

Magisch

All the modern adblocking tech came to be only because advertisers let rampant greed and complete disregard for their end users poison the concept of online advertising.

Bart

@JourneymanGeek I mean, ABP allows me to select if it's enabled on a site or not

Journeyman Geek

@Bart oh, I run ublock after ABP went evil

Magisch

8:02 AM

If advertising execs had had a little more restraint this wouldn't be nearly as prevalent

Journeyman Geek

but I hardly notice it

Magisch

newspaper print ads never encouraged anyone to not buy the newspaper. Because they had a modicum of decency minimum

Journeyman Geek

also, cough I remember one site tried breaking itself for everyone

@Magisch 3 words for what's wrong with internet ads

Magisch

Also, inserting digital ads into everything also carries that effect

Journeyman Geek

Selfplaying. Video. Ads.

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Journeyman Geek

I also blame that for the slow death of RSS feeds

Magisch

I'm being advertised to when I open a game client, go on a website, check my email, even launch my computer, log into my computer

Every possible avenue of user attention has been monetized to hell and back by now

Journeyman Geek

I need to get around to doing adblock on my phone

Magisch

It's started a massive global user fatigue effect

Journeyman Geek

if nothing else, I really rather not use my bandswidth for said self playing video

Mithrandir

8:05 AM

Some sites have ads so heavy that they just crash my computer...

Tinkeringbell

This whole thing reminds me I still wanted to install a Pi-Hole

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Tinkeringbell The Pi Hole's a great concept :)

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Yep, and I have a Pi lying around since a company workshop...

Wanted to do it during vacation, and bamboozle my parents when they got home, but forgot :/

Journeyman Geek

happens ;p

I've been plotting to do a DIY router a while

Tinkeringbell

Maybe I could do it next week, they're gone then too

Journeyman Geek

8:07 AM

which could/should probably be able to host that too

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek that's because the platform that host the ads has no legal responsibility for the ads it host. Eeek, compare web site ads to tv channel ads.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek That's probably something for when I get my own place ;) I saw a little of it once, on a conference. The guys next to us were promoting one.

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy kinda true

Tinkeringbell

Looked cool, but I have no idea how or what :P

Magisch

personally I dislike most ads because they openly insult my intelligence

"download now our tool that will make everything so much better"

Journeyman Geek

8:08 AM

@Tinkeringbell that's one of the things that's kinda making me put it off

Magisch

please

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Heh :P there's worse. "You bought one toilet seat, here's 10 others" :/

Journeyman Geek

hah

needs to do an aliexpress order soonish ;)

Tinkeringbell

Oh wait, you just bought 500 safety pins on aliexpress? Maybe you're interested in buying another 2000?

Journeyman Geek

oddly they don't send me ads

and the experience so far has been actually pretty good

also, my purchases there have been odd

Derpy

8:10 AM

@JourneymanGeek If they can provide me a 100% secure ads - which means no scripts, no mixed contend hosted on "let.us.steal.your.credit.card" and so on... I will gladly turn them on again

Tinkeringbell

I like aliexpress :)

Journeyman Geek

half a dozen squeeky pigs, 2 headphone band covers...

Tinkeringbell

Bought a lot of jewelry there, that I can wear once or twice ;) Also a very good place for crafting supplies

Journeyman Geek

I need to buy a bunch of those meteor lights

oh man, I really should twig on my female cousins to that ;)

Magisch

Oh you bought that standing fan? How about you buy a €5k air conditioning unit?

Journeyman Geek

8:13 AM

Amazon keeps recommending me bad romance novels

My mom likes the slightly higher grade of trash novel so...

Somewhat

must breaking bad romance novels...

Nog Shine

8:29 AM

Bart

o/

Tinkeringbell

You know, at least product recommendations aren't as annoying as Facebooks algorithms ;)

@NogShine Smile and Wave back at you :)

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell ye never received videogames recommendations then.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Oh, yeah... those aren't great either ;)

Somewhat

Nog Shine

8:31 AM

How is everyone?

Tinkeringbell

But Facebook (last time I checked) was too dumb to realize that if I block Political People, I don't want to see their posts because my friend liked them, either.

@NogShine I already survived two mini heart attacks this morning. So far, I'm doing great ;)

Nog Shine

I get recommendations of role playing games.. War of Kings something like that

Bart

@Tinkeringbell ... I'd say having mini heart attacks don't qualify as "doing great"?

Tinkeringbell

@Bart Surviving does :)

Nog Shine

@Tinkeringbell They are because of these recommendations. Right? ;)

Tinkeringbell

8:34 AM

@NogShine Hehehe wish that was true! One was because I couldn't find my fountain pen (which I'm quite attached to) and the other was because the bus nearly crashed into something

Nog Shine

Ohh! Sorry

Tinkeringbell

Don't worry. Those recommendations aren't good for my blood pressure, but they've never managed to scare me as much ;)

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell a friend of mine bought 2 Dark Soul games and Nioh. Amazon concluded he should buy Agony.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Pffft :P lemme google all those games ;) How unrelated are they?

Somewhat

Well, hard action RPG != survival horror...

Tinkeringbell

8:40 AM

@Somewhat That makes sense ;)

Derpy

@Somewhat I wouldn't tag "Agony" as horror either. More like "How to get censored fast and your company threatened to shut down"

Somewhat

though the player might be in horror trying to make the player survive... o_O

@Derpy hmm, haven't researched further, only read the first 3 lines from Google

is that with that tattoo being removed?

Derpy

@Somewhat as far as I know, the content of the game is so questionable that they basically received a letter saying

"remove that and do not dare to re-enable it via optional patch or say godbye to your company"

Somewhat

oh wow, lol

Derpy

8:55 AM

anyway, back to the original topic

I guess it is time to use the web till it still last

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Somewhat

My ISP forcing safe search on Google... but thankfully DDG is not affected...

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Isn't DDG Safe Only too?

Didn't use it enough to... eh... check. lol

I mean.... duck sound so innocent, so expected they'll automatically filter out any "bad" results.

@Somewhat also, didn't you once mentioned that one can find anything on twitter? No need for Google, assuming twitter got internal search. They have, right? :)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard anything? Most stuff I see on Twitter doesn't really qualify as 'stuff I wanted to know' :P

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

lol

Tinkeringbell

9:09 AM

(I'm still new to twitter though, so still training my algorithm!)

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Some knows what I mean..... :D

Derpy

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy A little uncouthness at the right time makes life better ;)

Somewhat

I... I'm searching for... err... research... yes, research for writing an answer on Anime.SE! ran away

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Found it! :D

@Somewhat all good... we're all human.... some even @Normal.... :D

Derpy

9:13 AM

@Tinkeringbell I will stick to this, thanks

> A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Make that 'right time AND place' though ;)

@Derpy Yep :)

Nothing more relaxing than a good period of nonsense ;)

Bart

@Tinkeringbell aww man, I lost a fountain pen some years ago and I'm still annoyed about that. I love good fountain pens.

Tinkeringbell

@Bart Yep :) Mine is a pretty one, that I got as a gift... so it's a bit more precious than the regular fountain pens I have, and I just realized that I maybe shouldn't use that one for work ;)

But if I don't use it at work, I'll barely use it at all because most of my writing happens at work.

Bart

Yeah same. I used mine so much that I had to replace parts because they wore out, but I loved it. A Waterman Expert. I should buy one some day, but they are pricey. It was a graduation gift.

Magisch

My handwriting is garbage and I get severe cramps after writing like a page

So I avoid it to the best of my ability

Bart

9:23 AM

My handwriting is garbage as well, but a good pen is so nice

Tinkeringbell

my handwriting is probably okay-ish compared to yours ;) I have a gold and black parker

Don't know the exact name ;)

Journeyman Geek

9:49 AM

@Tinkeringbell fountain pens are <3

but I tend to use the 'disposable' ones mostly

Pilot has one called the v-pen/varsity that isn't half bad

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Derpy

waiting for someone to attempt a joke about pineapple pens

Journeyman Geek

YOU MONSTER

Somewhat

I'm still trying to remember those pens, with those colorful tops, that can be clipped (picked?) with fingers...

there were like... 8 or more colors? dark blue, dark brown, red, green, black, purple...

Journeyman Geek

the ones you could pick the colours?

I've seen quad colour ones, very common

Derpy

9:57 AM

and also.... FREE ADS!

@Somewhat amazon.com/NINGBO-Ten-Color-Retractable-Pen/dp/B0030DBDYQ

Somewhat

I guess I mis-described.. not a multi-color pen. It's just a black-ink ballpoint pen, but the cover(?) of the pen has a small colored part

Derpy

@Somewhat "You mentioned a multicolor pen. Want to buy one on AMAZON? Do you want to try the free 30 days Prime subscription? Now you can also try Prime Video. Also, please consider using our DASH buttons to never be without a pen again"

.... perhaps it is better to drop the joke now before someone really tries to come advertising products on the chat.

Journeyman Geek

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Somewhat

LAKE FEATHER!

Journeyman Geek

BAKE NETHER!

Somewhat

10:12 AM

finally found it... it's a Faster pen...

(yeah, I collected those colorful ends back in elementary school... with schoolmates' temawork, around 100 pieces?)

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10:35 AM

@Somewhat Heh. I have a load of ballpoint pens at home that I barely use. I keep taking them when offered, but always forget I have a lot already

@JourneymanGeek Hmm. And here I thought I was some kind of weird because I still mainly use fountain pens ;) Seems a lot more people like them than I thought

Journeyman Geek

10:54 AM

@Tinkeringbell its a big crazy internet

There's a good chance you might find people with the same anachronisms you do

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Heh, true. The internet is crazy, and the people using it even more ;)

It's kinda nice

Derpy

11:34 AM

@Tinkeringbell oh, it is a lot simpler than that. People from the "Berenstein" universe are used to still write with fountain pens. It is some timeline divergence wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy I think people in primary school here still get taught to write using fountain pens.

(Oh, first you get a pencil, but then a fountain pen)

Bart

God I hated that fountain pen :D It leaked, and you wouldn't get a replacement. So most of my writing had all kinds of splotches all over. Those were the days

I think I started a typing class (on a mechanical typewriter) at the age of 10, and I was so happy about that

That one :D

Tinkeringbell

Heh. I remember my fountain pen being all sorts of shades of green

Plastic, and leaky indeed!

(I did the typing class on the PC, with a course that would mail you a new set of exercises each week)

Journeyman Geek

that is a sexy beast

Derpy

11:54 AM

@Bart ooooh, nice, one of the old "break your fingers" models.

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek My British spell checker agrees with both Dyslectic and Dyslexic

lemme Google that.

Journeyman Geek

0_)

really?

I type brit-e and dyslectic ... wait... its not catching it either

0_0

Fabby

Dyslectic = person

Dyslexic = "relating to dyslexia"

Derpy

Legends says that the Shaolin monks switched from punching rice filled bowls with their extended fingers as a form of training to typing on those typewriters

Journeyman Geek

funn, I go "I'm dyslexic" rather than "dyslectic"

Bart

11:57 AM

@Derpy maybe that explains why I break keyboards so easily

Fabby

Nound and adjective apparently.

Yeah, but you're a dyslectic

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek You are dyslexic. You are a dyslectic person ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Bart You need to one inch punch enemies not the enter key...

smacks enter key TABLE COLLAPSES

Fabby

@Bart IBM M1s are still for sale...

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby someone was selling model Fs too

but ya, unicomp sells a almost unchanged model M

Bart

11:58 AM

@Fabby I love those. Have a mechanical keyboard at home, but it's too noisy for he office

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek Definitely an IBM "Clickety-clack"

Bart

I should get one of those more silent mechanical keyboards

Journeyman Geek

I use a early razer blackwidow - cherry blues (so clicky)

but had them long enough that its kinda broken in.

Fabby

@Bart Remember when everyone had one of those in the office?

Bart

Now have a horribly chiclet keyboard at work.

@Fabby it's not a problem if it's the only option

Fabby

11:59 AM

(Aaah: the virtues of everyone their own office and no open area...)

Bart

I hate open offices so much ... :(

One day I'll have my own office

Fabby

@Bart I remember at one stage in my career I was allowed a corner office after a merger.

I moved next doors to a tiny office and gave up the corner office to 3 of my people

It improved productivity tremendously!

When I left that company it took all of a week for the Finance Manager to move into that office

:-( :-( :-(

Bart

I can imagine. I'm in a path where I have people walk behind me. Sight on people coming through the door, and people here have the habit of saying hi to each individual when they come in in the morning. It doesn't help

Fabby

Some people just don't get it: It's not about the manager, it's all about his people!

Tinkeringbell

I found a nice nook to hide in today :) and the headphones help even further :)

Fabby

12:05 PM

@Bart Go and work in France for a week: everyone comes in and kisses you in the morning...

Bart

Geneva ... so we do indeed get the French influence

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell One of these?

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby ?

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek you say One Punch. Your fault.

🎵One Jump Man (One Punch Man Parody) 🎵

►

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Daft Punk Headphones

@Tinkeringbell Gimme a sec to look for the pic and upload it!

Djeez! ;-) :P ;-)

Are you like that as well when it comes to ~~redacted~~ ??

>:-) :D >:-)

Tinkeringbell

12:09 PM

I am very impatient and distracted at the moment ;)

So yeah, I'm quick!

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Journeyman Geek

I'm rather fond of these audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/99aff89488ddd6b1/index.html

Its not as "nice" as my FA003Ti but its lighter and actually still in production and fold up

Derpy

12:31 PM

Disclaimer: may cause depression and rapid decline of the "trust in humanity" stat:

> gatebox.ai/home

That said... there is a voice in my mind that tells me to be happy about this too....

One step closer to finally getting a PE.T. system, Rockman.EXE style

Fabby

12:44 PM

Ah, leaving Tinkerbell to het DEV and QA systems then...

Derpy

and ye all though that Alexa was the problem....

this... thing is not so far from HAL-9000

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Bart

1:03 PM

@JourneymanGeek I got the Bose QC 35 some time ago. That was an investment I'm really happy with. Took me a while to decide to spend the money, but totally worth it

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby Didn't work. I typed up a storm over on IPS ;)

Fabby

:-) ;-) :-): not my fault: I don't even have an account there!

:D :D :D

Tinkeringbell

Hehehe. We've just decided in chat that the best way to handle it would be kicking a sensitive spot tomorrow when I meet the problem in real life, but until then it makes a good question (I think) and since the site doesn't get many good questions lately, I wrote it up ;)

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Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell at the right time and remember to follow through :)

Tinkeringbell

1:20 PM

@JourneymanGeek I'll leave that to the ex military guys. Maybe I won't even get a chance to kick ;)

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Link?

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby interpersonal.stackexchange.com/q/18436/1599 If you want more drama-details, just ask ;)

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Mmmh.

How about treating all brothers equally but notifying the nasty brother that he/she/it should not only provide destructive but constructive feed-back as well whenever he "jokes" ?

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby That would solve but a single aspect though ;)

Fabby

(assign a macro for a canned response in chat)

just wear him down...

Tinkeringbell

1:31 PM

@Fabby On an android app? how?

@Fabby Tried that the first time... didn't really take off, he has a longer breath than me

Fabby

persistence and patience...

@Tinkeringbell Ah, missed that bit.

Derpy

@Fabby Area51?

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, I really need to learn to write shorter questions ;)

Fabby

@Derpy Huh? No... Just some advice for Tinkerbell.

@Tinkeringbell Is he Flemish or Dutch too?

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby I'm guessing Dutch, but I haven't taken the time to get to know.

Derpy

1:36 PM

@Fabby oh, I assumed that was the secret rule shog&co used when deciding which site proposal should be moved to beta stage next

Fabby

If you know he's not, you could make it a rule...

@Derpy :D :D :D No, not really.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy It would likely apply there as well ;)

Fabby

Also: I'm not a sock puppet account for neither Shog9 nor πάνταῥεῖ

:P ;-) :P

@Tinkeringbell OK, I don't have an account over on IPS because I'm not good at that stuff anyway...

so no further bright ideas from here.

Tinkeringbell

;) I'll wait for an answer :)

Fabby

Whenever people get too much on my nerves, I just block'em.

Tinkeringbell

1:38 PM

Who wants to bet the first answer will say it's not a possibility to set a boundary just for this guy? :D

Magisch

@Fabby So you fab them off :p

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Well... I'm leaning that way too now.

@Magisch I don't get it... Please explain.

Fab = fabulous AFAIK.

Magisch

wordplay on your name and "fob them off"

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby ;) IPS regulars in the chatroom seem of the opinion that different people get different boundaries all the time, so they said it could be done!

Fabby

Yes, in RL, not in Virtual life...

In RL, you can put someone in a corner and snarl if they even twitch.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

AFK

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2:07 PM

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