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12:01 AM
@ShadowWizard errr.
If it's that long they have been really bad :p
Meanwhile in Israel...
That's a road, not a river. ^
@JourneymanGeek well it's not who I feared it was.
(that one will get out of suspension in Dec 23)
One last before going to sleep...
It's a chair in a cinema, it says "Do Not Sit, wet chair". lol
Nice of them to have those made up ahead of time
@ShadowWizard I feel like making the desert bloom is less impressive in light of these photos
@ShadowWizard ah no
@ShadowWizard I think I know who. Since the system only shows the last two digits it shows as '92 and I thought "2092"
And I actually literally have no idea what that is about
Lemme put it this way. If someone earned 7x the standard 'go away' suspension, it's someone we don't want here
12:21 AM
@Shog9 hehe.. you read Dune? ;)
long, long ago
@JourneymanGeek that is for sure
...flood caused by leaky stilsuit?
12:22 AM
dammit, terdon
@Shog9 might be! :D
trying to remember
One of the key plot twists in Dune was how they made a desert world into a tropic world, only to get this world destroyed, or something like that. So what you said reminded me of that. :) @Shog
wasn't the end of the plot essentially the god-emperor merging with all the little makers who tied up all the water but died upon contact with water, then... diving into a river or something
12:25 AM
It wasn't in the first book of course, maybe not in the original trilogy as well.
i donno. it's been like 20 years since I was big into scifi
@Shog9 eww you.... grew up?! :P
I still read but.... really slow pace.
wait; more'n 20
12:26 AM
gosh... it's 2018...
almost 2019...
gotta be better than 25
amazing how you can be so into something for a while and then completely abandon it
Since you were.... 18?
@Shog9 as teenager it's really common, but as adult... yeah, less common to ditch a long time hobby.
That's why so many find it so hard to quit SE/SO.
I get bored really fast
SciFi got endless types of books.
So that's not a valid excuse. ;)
12:29 AM
Discworld? @Shog
That can't be boring.
ah, that's different. I'd still be reading those
Favorite character in the Discworld?
Mine is that all-devouring chest.
The one with tiny legs.
Death is a pretty sympathetic character, oddly enough
12:30 AM
I pity Death.
His life are so boring...
I didn't read all book and doesn't fully remember most I did... is there an encounter between Death and Rincewind?
@Shog9 quote? From memory? That sounds like Death, surely enough. :)
@ShadowWizard I forget if they ever had a conversation... But I believe Death spent some time contemplating the odd directions of the flow of sand in Rincewind's hourglass
Sure he did. lol
The most funny part I remember ever reading is when that chest ate a god. Quazi something. Thing is, at about the same time I read it, I played FF8 where that same god also took part, in a way, as entity you can summon.
Quetzalcoatl (; Spanish: [ketsalˈkoatɬ] (listen); Classical Nahuatl: Quetzalcohuātl [ket͡saɬˈkowaːt͡ɬ], in honorific form: Quetzalcohuātzin, modern Nahuatl pronunciation ) is a deity in Mesoamerican culture and literature whose name comes from the Nahuatl language and means "feathered serpent" or "Quetzal-feathered Serpent". The worship of a Feathered Serpent is first documented in Teotihuacan in the first century BC or first century AD. That period lies within the Late Preclassic to Early Classic period (400 BC – 600 AD) of Mesoamerican chronology, and veneration of the figure appears to have...
That's the god.
That reminds me... You catch the TV series of American Gods?
12:37 AM
> Quezovercoatl was inadvertently bodily discarnated by The Luggage. This is serious; you can't get issued with a new body just like that.1 The bureaucracy of Hell make receiving a replacement body it as difficult as getting a new pen out of a bloody-minded secretary who hates her job and holds the only key to the stationery cupboard. This is a drawback for a working demon in the physical universe.
@Shog9 not sure I heard about it, at least not with this name. Will check. Why?
@ShadowWizard I haven't; I've heard mixed reviews
I tend to like Neil Gaiman when he's doing his best to be Terry Pratchett - channeling that mix of humor and sobriety
@Shog9 hmm.. Amazon Prime only. Don't have it.
Which... American Gods didn't really do, except in places
And I kinda suspect the tv version would've lost even that
The sequel, Anansi Boys, was a much better book
Too bad... good potential. :)
The original showrunner was Bryan Fuller, who also is an expert at managing that mixture of dark humor
So... It could have worked very well
But nothing I've heard has suggested that it did
which hints that perhaps this was a situation where two perfectly good polarizing filters just happened to be positioned perpendicular and let none of the lightness through
@ShadowWizard his job is boring, and sometimes unpleasant... And he has no choice but to do it. So, he makes the best of it anyway.
Sooner or later, don't we all?
1:23 AM
@Shog9 wait what? how sweaty is the dude
@ShadowWizard bit more than that.
basically the immature worms locked away the water on the planet, but water would kill the adult worms
the bene gesserit then transplanted the worms.
@Shog9 wasn't really a sequel, insofar as much as the themes of deities as people ;p
especially with AG's idea that faith created gods, who stuck around.
there's a proper American Gods sequel in monarch of the glen
and I think american gods was meant to be kinda grim
1:44 AM
@Shog9 pretty good. Pretty grim
they knocked it out of the park with the casting though
Also, Gillian Anderson has aged really well ;p
2:08 AM
ok.I am slightly creeped out
I keep hearing boxes fall in the empty part of my office/store
Season 2 is coming in ... March, I think.
It's cold (for Texas), rainy, and I just got two pounds of high quality cocoa powder... I think this calls for hot cocoa.
@ShadowWizard maybe but its a gentle reminder to sort out a problem behavior, and until we get its default "don't do it" ....
2:24 AM
Q: Why are Stack sites so Rude? Also how do I block a Referrer Html Script?

Taylor SparkFirstly I would like to say, Sites like Stackoverflow are ruining the way I want to ask things, Simply i asked how to execute btoa and base64 conversion scripts and they banned me for 2 days from asking questions.... Seriously? I just wanted to know if this site is going to do the same thing or i...

I have a feeling this won't go well...
there are... way too many different themes there for such a short post
ok, found three dup links on three different sites
@JourneymanGeek It was George RR Martin from the previous video
@JourneymanGeek those are the best sequels
@Shog9 If GRRM wrote dune it would have never been...
oh wait
2:31 AM
@JourneymanGeek gholas. Everyone is gholas
@Shog9 I've never read any of the later novels.
But yeah. Too many sequels are like, "let's re-use the same characters, and the same setting... and the same situations... and the same plot..."
Pick... two
@Catija Looks like there's a flood warning
If all of the telephone lines are down, can you still use SE?
2:36 AM
assuming mobile's up
in theory you could do that over a wireless backhaul
I don't get internet on a phone line.
"it's floodin' down in texas... all the CDMA channels are full..."
just doesn't scan
I think both ADSL and cable internet is extinct here.
I knew pigeon protocol would win out in the end
well, unless you have packet loss by raptor.
3:14 AM
@Catija How heavy is the rain at this current moment? I can't tell because of the way my building is constructed.
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5:23 AM
sd k
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6:26 AM
Q: Why not perma-ban instead of suspend an account for 75+ years?

BlackThornI know there are a lot of questions about very long suspension periods, but I came across a case that is quite perplexing. This user had many offenses to earn his long ban, despite being a very prolific and high-rep user with many valuable posts, but the suspension period assigned strains the def...

SE isn't handling wizard cases properly. For Gandalf 275 years is nothing
Expect some extra mayhem on 2292
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Semi-related: there was an online video game that banned a certain player until 9999. When asked what they'd do if the player resumes the same bad behavior upon returning after the ban, the developer affirmed that they'd permanently kick them off.
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7:55 AM
staring through smoke
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog can't you look out the window?
@ShadowWizard Kinda hard to see the ground from my window
Three days of non stop rain for me but not strong rain.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog rain can be seen in the air too, no? Or when hitting trees? 🌳
@ShadowWizard Not much when your window is covered in raindrops and you're in an urbanized place
@JourneymanGeek yeah but I would say don't overdo it. :)
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog hmm... So open the window and check the rain with your hand? ;)
@ShadowWizard My window is not openable...it's fixed glass
8:05 AM
@Shog9 that is very true. :)
experience: In order to maintain high performance, Windows is best to be re-installed every half year.
I had almost went for a new laptop when I formatted C: and installed Windows 10 fresh, then I decided that it's still beefy to run!
hah, I think my PC has gone its entire lifespan on upgraded versions of windows.
8 -> 8.1 -> 10
no reformat
Typical specs in mid-2014: i7-4710HQ, 16GB (was 8GB stock), 1TB SSD (was HDD stock), and has been running terribly laggy after 1809 update (installed fresh this July, was 1803)
ah strange
@JourneymanGeek that's amazing. You're a good Windows maintainer?
8:12 AM
I have a ton of stuff there I don't even remember about.
I figure I'll run it till my next upgrade (i'm itching for a new build but putting it off cause this still runs)
To reduce interrupt, I have two 128GB partitions on my SSD, so I can install a fresh OS during work, and switch when needed
then swap it over to linux
Tri-boot Win10+Win10+Ubuntu 18.04 here
my current linux box is my router ;p
UEFI booting is easier to maintain than MBR, especially multi-OS
8:14 AM
running a slightly odd config of 18.04
(dropped netplan for the classic network config, firewalld)
@ɪBᴜɢ more or less I have an x86 PC as a router
using PC as router? that's amazing
I think a PC needs too much power and cooling than a typical router (ranging from US$10 to $50)
still amazed at your never-reinstalled Windows
I was apparently overloading a sgd 200 dollar router
and I can throw in other services there
some basic ones like dnsmasq and samba?
or even run a full-pledged PHP application? :P
8:21 AM
In theory, yeah
or maybe even digging bitcoins :)
@Catija I'm not disappointed, at all. Although commenting on such posts is discouraged. You might want to keep an eye those commenters and flag for a mod if there is a pattern ...
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog too bad... But also is it safe? E.g. in case of fire? 🔥
@ShadowWizard equip a hammer and you can play Grand Theft Auto :)
@ShadowWizard Yes, it is...we have fire exits in our building.
8:38 AM
Egh, morning..
The poster of "I want to be snarky, don't stop me" on MSO deleted their account. So... Mission g**** accomplished?
@ɪBᴜɢ as for power.....
its a 15W chip
wifi sucks so you're going to want a AP, but its basically rock solid otherwise
2-4 ethernet ports too
I've seen a 8 port model
also fun if you need/want to do trunking or multi WAN networking.
8:58 AM
@andmyself what's this g-starting bad word?
@JourneymanGeek a real AP? I think an antenna would be enough
@ɪBᴜɢ naw, this has antennae
but the range isn't that great
I use my old, crappy, less reliable router as an AP
I mean, a better antenna so it works better
eh, more that proper APs have significantly better wifi radios and such
9:00 AM
if we were renovating I'd just buy a 3 pack of unifies, run some cable, and use this to control them
also, from what I've heard "cheaper" non consumer grade gear from unifi and microtic basically outperform mass market stuff.
ironically availability isn't that great or I'm out of touch with where to get things
do you really need that real PC as a router?
its been a lot more reliable since actually
In my home I use a raspberry pi as a gateway (not sure if the terminology is correct) and a real router for all the basic functionalities, like providing wireless access and WAN
9:05 AM
I'm not a real network man, so only know the basic things that I operate with
I just set "Gateway" to (my RPi) in the (physical) router config and assumed that the RPi is now a gateway
9:19 AM
@TimStone Thanks for your comment linker script. Runs very well on Chromium but doesn't work on Android Firefox (latest version on Play Store). Tampermonkey says "unable to parse" and USI add on loads without any errors but doesn't run. Novice with user scripts but would love to use this as I would like to mod on mobile. Thanks for any help. Do let me know what other information you would need
@ɪBᴜɢ Hi. Saw you and thought of pinging you too on above comment since you play with user scripts as once you mentioned on chat
@ɪBᴜɢ tis a a good way to learn ;p
so my eventual goal here is to have the option of a VPN, either site to site or otherwise
and also not have to worry about my router OEM updating
@ɪBᴜɢ for some reason my backups - which were a few gigs, accidentally capped to about fast ethernet speeds due to homeplug between my desktop and NAS were causing my router to overheat.
It was a fairly middling, midrange asus.
not sure what was happening and you don't have the tools to troubleshoot on a consumer router
And I needed a project lol
9:37 AM
@beeshyams huh, what? Can you be a bit more detailed?
@JourneymanGeek I'm probably not that network-geeky and I mostly play with aspects that aren't much related to networking
@ɪBᴜɢ Sorry. I want to run this script on Android Firefox. Know nothing of userscripts but managed to load and run couple of others (Izzy's scripts on his profile) but not this one. Was wondering if you could make it work. If you can 100 bounty on Android site will be set up😊
@beeshyams HAH, bounty! I love it :)
@ɪBᴜɢ Deal. You crack it with clear "dummies instructions" and write up a self answered Q or let me know to ask. I have tampermonkey and USI add ons
@beeshyams OK, got it.
@ɪBᴜɢ its more of a systems problem
especially if you go off script
(my build does IPv6, and uses dnsmasq and a different firewall setup)
9:49 AM
@ɪBᴜɢ Thanks. Please ping on Android chat once done. Don't visit here much
@beeshyams yeah I know
@beeshyams Can you ask that question yourself?
Can but once you crack it. Else it's a waste of writing effort. People aren't into this over there
@beeshyams its never a waste ._.
@JourneymanGeek True...being lazy. Will do
@beeshyams because... I just downloaded Firefox, installed Tampermonkey and that userscript, but nothing went wrong (it's working for me)
9:59 AM
@ɪBᴜɢ Strange. I will try to disable other scripts and check. Probably a clash? Am outside now and will revert once I try. Thanks
@beeshyams OK, if you're going to try that later, let's head to Android General for further discussion.
@ɪBᴜɢ Yeah. Once I try. Thanks
10:14 AM
@TimStone: Please ignore earlier request. It works fine now :). All that was needed was a reset of the addon
@ɪBᴜɢ Hey. After resetting tampermonkey it worked. Thanks a ton. Must have been some clash. Anyway you solved it for me and writing up a question for this is trivial. But bounty as promised stands. Please pick out your best answer for me to reward a bounty :)
Hi, anybody: Can mods see edited chat messages?
@RobertFrost Everyone can.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog can see the previous iteration of the message?
yes we can
@RobertFrost Click the down arrow upon mouseover next to the message and follow the link to history.
Try it above
10:25 AM
Thanks :7419932 Is a mod likely to notice that a flagged message has been edited, or could it easily be overlooked?
@RobertFrost As you can see, edited messages show with a pencil icon
@Tinkeringbell THanks. Is a mod likely to notice that a flagged message has been edited, or could it easily be overlooked?
@RobertFrost Could be overlooked, so a flag for moderator attention pointing that out would be nice ;)
@Tinkeringbell ok thanks
@Tinkeringbell is there a mechanism for one mod to reconsider another mod's actions? I got a ban on MSE chat :(
@RobertFrost Usually those aren't given by 1 mod acting alone in the first place... I'm not really sure what the best way to get a second opinion on chat suspenstions is, to be honest.
10:32 AM
@RobertFrost yes
@Tinkeringbell Ideally I would ask a math mod who knows something of the users to come and take a look. But it's possible a math mod asked an independent to come and take a look in the first place so as not to be seen as the one acting.
@RobertFrost lemme put it this way - we don't go out to look for it but we do.
@RobertFrost quite honestly the least messy way is to go over their heads and use the contact us link.
@JourneymanGeek by the way, in the case of my ban I don't think any messages were edited, but among the removed messages I linked some prior aggressive activity and that was where the edited/flagged message was. Would you please be so good as to do me a favour and drop a message in the math mods office asking if somebody could take a 2nd look for me at what was said as I'm utterly baffled by the ban?
@RobertFrost I can do vaguely better - but it might be super useful to have a link to your chat profile
10:37 AM
@JourneymanGeek I went and dug it out: chat.stackexchange.com/users/206734/robert-frost
@RobertFrost erf
I think I can drop the mod in question a line
absolutely no promises though
@JourneymanGeek ok thanks much appreciated.
@JourneymanGeek yes, they have to act how they think best, I get that.
@RobertFrost totally
and I'm not going to tell another mod what to do in most cases ;)
@RobertFrost I'm talking to the mod in question, and well, I guess what you said there could be interpreted as, well harassment at worse, and .. trying to be too smart at best. Certainly didn't help de-escalate things.
That said, they kinda thought about it and your suspension's down to a day. Don't mess up ;)
Don't forget, its always better to walk away if you can't de-escalate.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog please help new user to understand how SE woks ?
@Shree Which new user?
10:48 AM
dont nnnnnn them?
obvious me ?
11:03 AM
gets popcorn
adds drinks to the shopping list
100 rs for popcorn no one interested :)
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog not in mobile
11:18 AM
@JourneymanGeek Thank-you. All I meant by it was "no hard feelings" after we disagreed about closure/deletion policy. I didn't anticipate that reaction or intend to elicit it. Anyway, (and in light of previous aggressive behaviour) I blocked them, as you say, to de-escalate permanently. So I didn't even see most of what followed (and still haven't).
@JourneymanGeek p.s. I can't flag while suspended but it might be better to remove this: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47952476#47952476
@RobertFrost honestly the drama level there is above my pay grade
I would prefer to leave it to folks with a fuller picture of the room
11:54 AM
mathematics rooms & the javascript room are the only kind that scare me enough to stay out
@Quill Math? Meh
To me it just seemed too overloaded with IITJEE students from India
Dude, no one outside India cares about your exam, sheesh
Just like no one outside Iran would care about my exam
@RobertFrost Bit snarky and harsh but come on
It's merely different from the typical snide remarks about "rep farmers"
@JourneymanGeek That's a lie
Hints? Now that offends me
Hints get out of hand too fast
I hated math.SE hint answers with a passion.
"Hint: use mathz"
12:22 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I sometimes strongly suggest. I advise. I never tell :p
@JourneymanGeek fair enough
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ do you know what the term means? I'm not offended but I think the targets would be.
@RobertFrost well.they can flag
@JourneymanGeek goid point
Or they can go 'hey, I didn't appreciate that'
@JourneymanGeek which is better i guess
12:30 PM
Of course
Once the flags start I can imagine everybody goes flag crazy
Especially when they're acted upon
But if it's a real problem they can also stop to consider why
Well yes and no
Flags are a sign things are starting to break down
If flags for minor things result in penalties then I guess people start looking at everything else going on and thinking "hey what about this then" like I just did.
We shouldn't fear flagging but at the same time it's a last resort
Let's not mention the time that Shog suspended me and one other user for flagging a shouty message from a CM...
12:33 PM
Well If folks misuse flags , well it dosen't create a good impression
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog you just did
@JourneymanGeek re this veeam.com/windows-endpoint-server-backup-free.html is amanda/zmanda any good?
@RobertFrost Yes but when there were no specific names
If someone does get offended by that they also need to make a hard look at themselves and see what they're doing wrong because they are
@JourneymanGeek suspicious account: meta.stackexchange.com/users/135565
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ it's tageted at the people who answer the questions CRUDE users tirelessly work to close. They all know who they are as they've been identified many times.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog will deal with it later. On my phone
12:41 PM
@RobertFrost If these crude folks are just moderating according to site policies and guidelines, then those folks not changing their answering behavior are the ones at fault
@RobertFrost i use veem. It's pretty good
@JourneymanGeek i read that
@RobertFrost it's good for full system backups only thought
@RobertFrost and yet they put imaginary internet points over the greater good of the community? 🙀
@JourneymanGeek We have about 6TB data. I reckon if we needed a full restore it'd be a week before gzip has restored it all. I could do with a GUI incremental backup that can restore folders selectively.
@JourneymanGeek no, they help people out with maths answers. It can be rewarding to a) help people and b) to use them as practice problems.
Ah. Or mount the image
12:49 PM
@RobertFrost If that hurts the quality of the overall questions of the site, it defeats the site's purpose
We're not here to help one person
@RobertFrost or you can just mount the archive and grab it from there
@JourneymanGeek Can you mount an archive which is a collection of incremental backups?
The other thing is, I use linux so infrequently it takes me a day to work out the commands to do what I want. So a GUI solution would probably be best.
(am I going massively off topic for this room)?
I think it will let you pick the snapshot
1:04 PM
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