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user163250

12:01 AM

I think I probably should've used my last 1 or 2 delete votes before midnight UTC. Oh well.

bjb568

@Jamal Done

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@Cupcake no cupcake -1

user163250

@VotetoClose so confused.

user163250

By the way...

user163250

cv-pls too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/4695274/…

bjb568

12:14 AM

DV it too.

user163250

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/4758053/…

user163250

Take your pick.

user163250

Too broad, opinion, recommendation.

bjb568

@Cupcake An answer just went poof.

Vote to Close

why on earth does this not have positive score? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/266077/…

bjb568

12:22 AM

Looks good to me. +1

user163250

@bjb568 complete f**king waste of time, that was. Waste of reviewer votes too.

Vote to Close

pic?

user163250

@VotetoClose who are you asking?

Vote to Close

you

it's deleted answer? i can't see those

user163250

@VotetoClose stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5341901

user163250

12:24 AM

The whole question is bad.

user163250

I voted to delete before I realized that I should've just looked at the question first.

user163250

@VotetoClose wait, can you see the answer in the review?

user163250

Or does it still show up as deleted?

Vote to Close

no, it doesn't show up in review either answer not found

user163250

Gimme a sec...

user163250

12:25 AM

bjb568

@Cupcake Found a robo.

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oh i see, thanks

user163250

@bjb568 are you referring to me? Vote to Close? :P

bjb568

user163250

@bjb568 that was the right call.

user163250

12:29 AM

She's the only person on that list who got it right.

user163250

It's a perfectly valid answer to a crappy question.

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@bjb568 that's creepy how you clicked on mine and cupcake's links... (o)(o) - these are eyes of course

user163250

cv-pls opinon-based or recommendation stackoverflow.com/questions/7642/…

bjb568

@Cupcake No, it wasn't. Nobody looks at the question. Saying it looks ok means you're paying even less attention. Looking at review history, it is a robo.

@VotetoClose What are the (o)(o) supposed to represent? - O'RLY?

user163250

@bjb568 look, assuming that she is a robo (I haven't checked), she still took the right action on that answer.

user163250

12:32 AM

Anyone who just blindly flags without looking at the question is a robo.

user163250

Answers have context.

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@Cupcake I don't see how it's the right answer to "looks ok"... ? It's not an answer.

bjb568

Meh, "Recommend Deletion to recommend that this answer be deleted". If you want the question to be deleted, you want the answers to be deleted too.

@VotetoClose Agreed. Looks ok doesn't help the system.

user163250

@VotetoClose It was a recommendation question. How is a link not a valid answer to such a question?

bjb568

It's not a valid answer to any question, it's NAA.

Vote to Close

12:34 AM

@Cupcake well, s/he didn't ask for a link or resource specifically... s/he didn't say "Can you provide me a link to where I can learn about"

Jamal

The only validity I see for that answer is that it points to Wikipedia, which isn't likely to die very soon. Other than that, it's a link-only answer.

bjb568

NAAs are supposed to not need the question to validate whether they are NAA (i.e. mods don't judge technical accuracy (i.e. jQuery as an answer to a c++ question is not flaggable (i.e. a link only answer is never ok, whatever the question may be)))

user163250

I take it back.

user163250

No, wait, do I?

user163250

Oh, right, doesn't explicitly ask for a link.

user163250

12:37 AM

Never mind, I do take it back.

user163250

Yeah, it's link-only.

user163250

That's a sign that I need to go take a break now.

user163250

Later alligators!

bjb568

I just figured out that e.g. isn't the first 2 letters of "egsampl", but "Exempli Gratia".

Joe

1:16 AM

I have a SO vs CrossValidated question if anyone's around who is fairly comfortable with that range

This question: stackoverflow.com/questions/24846376/…

It was automigrated here by 5 closes from CV, and it's typical of something I see every so often

it is, sort of, a programming question (how do I do X in SAS)

but it's something that is really more of a 'how do I do X statistical thing'

while it's not firmly on the statistical side, it's really just asking how to use a statistical procedure, which is neither something likely to get much help on SO

nor really programming per se

and I was under the impression that "statistical computing" was on topic for Cross Validated

I flagged a similar question a while back to be denied migration, but was declined (with no note as to why), so curious if I'm just wrong

bjb568

I dunno.

Joe

And, sadly, CV has very little activity on chat (never managed to find anyone on there the three times I've gone, including during the week)

Oh well, if anyone has an opinion @ me, thanks.

Vote to Close

1:32 AM

user-spamming-other-flag-for-mod-please

at least 6 same answers like that today

bjb568

Not spam. There's disclosure and the answers are a little bit helpful. Of course, they're still link-only.

Vote to Close

@bjb568 no, they definitely should be cleaned up by a mod and probably a suspension too.

bjb568

Of course they need cleaning, but they'd actually be fine as a comment.

Jamal

@VotetoClose I've just NAAd those. Not necessarily spam, but still need to go.

This could also use NAA.

bjb568

CV stackoverflow.com/q/9176160/2888561

Jamal

1:50 AM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/7678298/…

bjb568

CV? It got closed and reopened before, tho there were no edits. stackoverflow.com/q/157463/2888561

Jamal

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/1404824/…

Braiam

> Can I just deploy my artifacts to my ftp host using mvn deploy, or should I manually deploy and/or setup some things before being able to deploy artifacts?

sounds fine to me....

Joe

I removed the request for tool, otherwise that question is fine (stackoverflow.com/questions/9176160/…)

I'm confused by the close/reopen on that one, @Braiam. Especially that the last CVer cast one of the reopen votes (bmargulies).

cast the first reopen vote in fact.

Braiam

Joe

1:57 AM

Is it some sort of review thing?

bjb568

@Braiam Should I use [thing] is POB. Also, "Do I need a tool like Apache Archiva?".

Joe

get bonus review queue whatnots by casting a reopen vote?

Braiam

@bjb568 doesn't sounds like that to me: Can I foo, or should I bar before being able to deploy X?

Joe

Should I use [thing] is not necessarily opinion based; it might be bad wording, but often that is realistically answered with a direct answer, not an opinion.

"Should I use 'select' or 'update' to get rows from a table"

yes, 'should' isn't really a good word there, but it's a perfectly fine question

rather than CV, edit and fix

bjb568

@Braiam Should I use [thing] or do it manually by bar-ing?

@Joe Most of the time it is.

Joe

2:00 AM

@bjb568 If those are two options and they want which one is nicer or something, sure

if only one of them will actually work

then it's a reasonable question

again, you can edit the question

and make it better

Braiam

@bjb568 hey, give a prize to the man, at least he didn't said "what's the best way I can deploy X?"

Joe

CV should be used only if a question isn't obviously salvageable without input from the asker

bjb568

@Joe Use tool, or do manually? Unless the tool is broken, both should work.

@Joe We... know.

Joe

Honestly it doesn't sound like it.

From the five CV requests up there, at least 2 are easily salvageable.

Braiam

@bjb568 well, if the answer is: there shouldn't be any problem with either, I don't see what's the solely opinionated answers it could generate

Joe

2:02 AM

and that question is pretty reasonable, IMO

He is asking if he can just do X, or if he has to manually do Y

he's not asking if one is a nicer way to do it or somesuch

he's asking if it will work

bjb568

Just make sure your edits aren't too radical. I dunno about the last one.

@Braiam The tool sucks! The people who made it didn't say thank you when I held open a door for them. Unless you're an idiot, you need to do it manually.

"or should I". Not "can I". Sounds like POB.

Joe

If "should" is the only reason it's a problem, edit it to Can. That's exactly the point.

bjb568

But editing something that's POB into something that's not without changing the meaning of the post too much is hard. Just rewriting it to fix all the problems is creating a new post, and isn't a valid edit.

Joe

You're focused too much on legalities and details. Focus on the fact that there is a person on the other side, who wants to get an answer to a question.

Is there a reasonable way that, within the rules give or take, we can make their question okay for this site?

If so, do it.

bjb568

That's how you get your edits rolled back.

Legalities are important.

But feel free to preach your way in a meta post, I think editing is good.

coughcughfosdblarghl meta.stackexchange.com/q/220113/237813

user163250

6:01 AM

If anyone wants to weigh in:

user163250

3

Q: Should we have a new close reason to replace the current "answer lock" on questions?

My understanding is that "answer locks" on questions are used (conservatively) to prevent new answers from being added to popular questions that are already comprehensively answered, as stated in When can a question become locked against new answers when there's a community wiki?. In that questi...

Jan Dvorak

@Cupcake the problem is the title still reads "closed"

user163250

6:19 AM

@JanDvorak well, isn't it closed though?

Jan Dvorak

true

user163250

Animuson suggested modifying the existing lock implementation for this case:

user163250

@Mysticial I think modifying the answer lock to only block answers would be far easier to implement. They already have a custom modification that changes how a question behaves for a historical lock. Aside from that, I don't see users not being able to vote/comment on the question as that bad of a side-effect to begin with. At least not bad enough to warrant a complete change in how be prohibit this behavior. Users are still perfectly capable of conducting all normal actions on all the answers. — animuson ♦ 14 mins ago

user163250

I wonder if other stack exchanges get this sort of problem?

user163250

"Question answered to death. Stop beating a dead horse."

Vote to Close

8:49 AM

seems like user 1 is still around stackoverflow.com/users/1 user 6 is not found!!!! stackoverflow.com/users/6 neither is user 7.. good ole Sneakers O'Toole still has an account, lol. Only 3764804 accounts to go through. Will keep you updated!!! — Vote to Close 6 mins ago

rene

12:25 PM

@VotetoClose 526828

rene

12:40 PM

For a moment I thought Martijn was talking about the user age limit for editing posts ...

Shadow Wizard

lol @rene but yeah, age is usually associated with, well, age. :D

rene

maybe I should drink less :)

Shadow Wizard

@rene less milk?

Braiam

water @ShadowWizard, water

rene is a plant for god's sake!

Shadow Wizard

@Braiam but he's unfocused, very blurry. I always wondered why, now I know.

rene

12:58 PM

:)

rene

1:21 PM

Am I missing something or this user just ignorant? stackoverflow.com/questions/24844539/…

Shadow Wizard

@rene he's just not able to express himself properly. I think I can see what he means.

ugh, nope. He needs to explain better. ;(

rene

1:41 PM

cv-pls-library stackoverflow.com/questions/24850999/…

rene

3:04 PM

My dad found the Windows 8.1 back to factory settings button...

Shadow Wizard

@rene uh oh, does not sound good.

The computer is still useable?

rene

Yeah, but I spend the last 3 hours re-installing everything...I revoked his admin permissions...see if that keeps it safe...

Shadow Wizard

lol

rene

gtg now...l8er...

Shadow Wizard

cya!

user163250

3:11 PM

I thought this was kind of an important discussion to have, but it got downvoted off the frontpage:

user163250

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Q: Please stop answering our answered questions *to death*!

Did I get your attention? Good... Should we have a new close reason to replace the current "answer lock" on comprehensively answered questions? My understanding is that "answer locks" on questions are used (conservatively) to prevent new answers from being added to popular questions that are al...

feature-request questions close-reasons locked-posts

user163250

I can't tell if it's the title, or the feature-request tag.

user163250

Maybe I should've just tagged it discussion instead?

Shadow Wizard

I don't like the idea of using a close reason for this simply because "closed" in itself means the question is not a good fit for our site. These questions are not necessarily bad questions, we just have no way of stopping shitty answers that people keep posting. — animuson ♦ 9 hours ago

this pretty much sums it up.

and discussioning a question on Meta (neither MSO nor MSE) usually does not protect it from being downvoted to oblivion :)

user163250

@ShadowWizard there are alternative suggestions in the comments though, like "super-protection".

user163250

3:20 PM

I'm open to discussing alternative solutions that don't end up completely disabling voting and comments and editing on questions.

user163250

That was kind of the whole point of posting that question.

bjb568

4:02 PM

Idiots. stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5345306 Flagged for manual review ban.

hichris123

@bjb568 stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5345310

bjb568

That too. 4 robos found in just 3 edits revs today!

No robos, but... da hell? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5345386

hichris123

Oh god, reaally? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5345386

wut is going on with that post? stackoverflow.com/posts/24851906/revisions

bjb568

Rolled back

I made an other flag just in case.

What do you call them... other flags, mod flags, inform mod flags... ?

+1 this ok first question. stackoverflow.com/q/24836798/2888561

user163250

4:30 PM

Anyone want to reopen this?:

user163250

-24

Q: How can I start a discussion critiquing the culture of Stack Overflow?

How can one ask a question that is critical of the gamification community on SO with as little offense as possible? Is it even possible?

discussion meta

user163250

This is definitely not primarily opinion-based.

user163250

There is a consensus on how to approach constructively critiquing Stack Overflow.

bjb568

Voted.

user163250

@bjb568 gracias.

bjb568

4:47 PM

"Robo-reviewing – bjb568 41 mins ago helpful - I only found the review you were referring to here by blind chance, but you need to provide links to the specific ban-worthy reviews in the future or these will likely be declined."

Um......

Braiam

@bjb568 flags again and provide those links

bjb568

writes complaint on meta

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Q: Do I need to include examples of bad reviews on all robo-reviewing flags?

I found 4 robo-reviewers from this crazy post... Normally I find a couple examples of reviews for each user that I think are obviously wrong and link to them when I flag. But I thot it wasn't necessary. http://stackoverflow.com/users/181174/mohammed-arif?tab=activity - helpful - I only found th...

discussion review

user163250

5:12 PM

Just got a reversal badge: meta.stackoverflow.com/help/badges/57/reversal?userid=456814

user163250

Heck yeah! :P

user163250

cv-pls recommendation stackoverflow.com/questions/24852433/…

bjb568

I noticed the questions "Why was my flag declined? >:( It was obviously a robo" and "Do I still need to provide examples if it is obvious from the review history that the user is a robo?" are the same question, tho only the latter gets upvotes.

3ventic

The first one sounds like a rant

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 s/s\././

bjb568

5:23 PM

@3ventic It is.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 then why does it surprise you it didn't get upvoted?

bjb568

It doesn't.

With mod tools, you're disconnected from what everybody else is seeing. Mods should be able to see just the row of "approves" that normal people see to ban based on that.

I feel like I have to do extra work to compensate for mods... Sigh...

Jan Dvorak

a row of approves, by itself, is acceptable

bjb568

How?

Jan Dvorak

maybe those reviews just happened to come in unlikely streaks

Also, what Brad says. Reviews of deleted posts are not visible.

bjb568

5:47 PM

That's only valid for LQRQ and (less so) CVQ.

Jan Dvorak

most FPs are legitimately NAN, though

bjb568

@JanDvorak 1 in a row: 50%. 2 in a row: 25%. 4 in a row: 6%. 8 in a row: .4%. 12 in a row: .025%.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 times 5 queues, times multiple users

times many days

bjb568

We're talking about edits. With other queues there are more actions and different %s.

3 of the ones I flagged are <3k rep.

Jan Dvorak

rep doesn't prove anything

bjb568

5:52 PM

No, but they are new reviewers.

Braiam

@JanDvorak WHAT?! So what I'm supposed to do with my 30k imaginary internet points, then?

3

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam I would tell you, but I don't want a 90 minute time-out from here

bjb568

Oh. That.

Vote to Close

So does it vary on when an answer is greyed out? Like my answer here has -7 score... it was like +7 score at one point, but that's besides the point ... why isn't it greyed out? I thought -3 or worse was greyed out?

Jan Dvorak

1600 reviews today = ~2000 by the midnight = 100 users. With an independent 50% chance of accepting, accepting 19/20 reviews should happen once every three years. Accepting 18/20 should happen thrice a year. Accepting 17/20 should happen once a week or two. Accepting 16/20 should happen on a daily basis.

bjb568

5:57 PM

8

A: Graying out downvoted answers in meta discussion questions

This is done. The new threshold is -8. You realize this just means y'all have to down-vote that much harder now, right?

Vote to Close

@bjb568 thank you sir stripes

Braiam

@JanDvorak :(

Vote to Close

6:11 PM

@rene thanks. If my division is correct, that means 14% of accounts that have been created on SO have been removed/deleted. So that's like 1 in 7 users who eventually lose/delete their account. Seems kind of high. But I guess spammers. Does anyone know if spam was a bigger problem back in the day?

rene

6:31 PM

@VotetoClose I would expect spam to be higher now due to the Google ranking...

bjb568

@rene But there's better spam-prevention now. Most spam gets blocked before it even enters the system.

rene

But it requires an account first, doesn't it?

bjb568

Yeah, but if the account doesn't get around to actually posting the spam and just gets posts rejected, it won't get noticed so won't get deleted.

rene

That is only answerable by someone with access to the db...but you might be correct.

bjb568

Well, it seems to be what people are saying from meta.

GnomeSlice

6:58 PM

Today's Listening | Electronic / Downtempo / Chillout

bjb568

Sounds weird. Not enough functional harmony.

GnomeSlice

@bjb568 Most of it's in the bass. Do you have good speakers?

bjb568

Yeah, yeah. It's just not mozart :P

ThiefMaster

7:45 PM

@GnomeSlice To me it sounds like music you need to be on drugs to enjoy ;x

I like the page's background though (besides the piss-poor tiling)

bjb568

Ok, so everybody hates it.

Shog9

@ThiefMaster coming off drugs, maybe

hangover music

Braiam

8:10 PM

@bjb568 no, Shog loves it, specially when he has a hangover ;)

bjb568

But there's no proof that Shog has a body.

Pops

8:41 PM

@bjb568 Which makes hangovers that much worse, I'd think.

Whining Room

This room is for whining in. All manner of QQ will be tolerated.

bjb568

@Pops Just a head hung on a rope over the ground.

@Pops Yay!

Jamal

10:16 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/320568/…

bjb568

NAA'd the bottom answer.

Jamal

Found another one

bjb568

Soft-spam stackoverflow.com/users/3847883/mohit

Wut? stackoverflow.com/a/24855176/2888561

Is this a troll?

Upvote this ok question by a new user: stackoverflow.com/q/24838478/2888561

Jamal

10:40 PM

-1

A: JTabbedPane to show all tabs under FlowLayout

I found the answer to this question

Braiam

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/4843871/792066

Jamal

@Braiam This has a broken link.

bjb568

possible duplicate of What do you use to minimize and compress JavaScript libraries?, What are some good css and js minimizers for production code? — outis Mar 30 '12 at 9:33

^ More!

... I just realized javascript supports a do-while loop. Not sure how that isn't covered by a plain while tho.

Doorknob

11:00 PM

@bjb568 x; while (c) { x; ); === do { x; } while (c);

bjb568

Oh. Seems like a rare case.

Doorknob

do { "Please enter input" } while (input_is_not_valid)

Braiam

@bjb568 people prefers the simple while(){} rather than do-while

bjb568

@Doorknob Unless you're forcing your poor website users to interact with a command line, it's more like if (input_is_not_valid) return abortAndComplain()

Jamal

11:15 PM

0

A: prevent a MySQLi Class to destruct and disconnect

This is a awesome comment that makes you smile, well how do you say? Keep smiling everyday to be happy and keep the negative things away. Greets a laptop

-1

A: prevent a MySQLi Class to destruct and disconnect

mi pc is broke pls help mi fix so i cen pley maincreft egain greets minecraft player

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