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Undo

00:08

@hichris123 Leave it there.

What else would I do with it?

At the very least it supports iPads, which the official SE app doesn't ATM.

hichris123

@Undo Make it show a screen that makes you cry because it's no longer there?

hichris123

00:29

After I finish ALTERing my so-posts table to add a FTS index, I'll continue working on my Android app. :P

Doorknob

hai everyone

hichris123

Hey @Doorknob.

The Guy with The Hat

01:37

Just so you know (not that you care) I'll be gone until next Saturday.

hichris123

Why are you still ALTERing my table MySQL?

Undo

01:57

@TheGuywithTheHat Ok. We won't go look for you until then.

I just got an email from [email protected]

Hmmmmmm.

hichris123

@Undo Can you tell MySQL to hurry up?

Undo

@hichris123 Sure. What's your SSH address, user, and key?

hichris123

It's my home computer. :P Windows 7.

(Laptop, but whatever)

Undo

Oh.

Idea: Upgrade to XP

hichris123

It's only reading & writing about 30 each a second.

Undo

02:03

Ick

hichris123

@Undo That would be more slowness...

Undo

What are you doing?

hichris123

ALTER TABLE `soposts` ADD FULLTEXT INDEX `Body` (`Body`);

Undo

Ah. That will be slow because posts are big.

hichris123

It's already been running for... at least an hour and a half, if not two hours.

Undo

02:05

There are, what, 12 million SO posts?

hichris123

02:18

I don't know @Undo, a lot. It's 23.6 GiB.

Undo

Yeesh

hichris123

Yeah...

Doorknob

hai, anyone here own a Raspberry Pi?

Undo

You almost need an SSD to work with that kind of data.

@Doorknob No. But we have a site for it!

Doorknob

I know :P

hichris123

02:22

@Undo I was hoping FTS would speed it up with MATCH...AGAINST but the index is the hard part.

:P

Doorknob

02:56

hooray; I've gotten this far so far:

c:\a\ruby>badgerankfinder
280/300 quota used
[bronze] Teacher: 280086
[bronze] Student: 318413
[bronze] Editor: 234158
[bronze] Cleanup: 11617
[bronze] Organizer: 37710
[bronze] Supporter: 189833
[bronze] Critic: 79464
[bronze] Citizen Patrol: 37031
[bronze] Autobiographer: 75427
[bronze] Scholar: 242674
[silver] Strunk & White: 3549
[silver] Yearling: 203306
[bronze] Self-Learner: 32954
[silver] Guru: 14393
#<OpenURI::HTTPError: 500 Internal Server Error>
Sleeping for 3 seconds
[silver] Enlightened: 3

(that's the rank I've gotten badges on SO in, for example I got the 280086th Teacher badge

obviously as you can see there are still bugs

:P

Undo

#<OpenURI::HTTPError: 500 Internal Server Error>

I want that badge!

Doorknob

:P

I found out that it always throws that when it encounters a badge awarded multiple times

so I'm researching SQL's LIMIT :P'

apparently it's TOP in t-sql

Undo

Yeah. SELECT TOP 42 * FROM

It looks kinda weird.

Doorknob

03:11

hooray, I fixed it!

277/300 quota used
[bronze] Teacher: 280086
[bronze] Student: 318413
[bronze] Editor: 234158
[bronze] Cleanup: 11617
[bronze] Organizer: 37710
[bronze] Supporter: 189833
[bronze] Critic: 79464
[bronze] Citizen Patrol: 37031
[bronze] Autobiographer: 75427
[bronze] Scholar: 242674
[silver] Strunk & White: 3549
[silver] Yearling: 203306
[bronze] Self-Learner: 32954
[silver] Guru: 14393
[silver] Enlightened: 59178
[bronze] Nice Question: 95605
[silver] Good Question: 21796
[gold] Great Question: 2475

hichris123

@Doorknob Are you using the API?

Doorknob

no, data explorer

I'll open-source the code in a minute when I'm finished polishing it

hichris123

Why do you have a quota then?

Doorknob

it uses the API to find all badges on the user

and then uses data explorer for the rest

hichris123

... couldn't you do that on SEDE?

Doorknob

03:15

I suppose, but it's easier with API :P

hichris123

Wow. Lazy. :P

Doorknob

:D

hichris123

Why do you like Ruby so much?

Doorknob

because Ruby is awesome!

hichris123

But Python, Java, and PHP!

Doorknob

03:17

Python is ok, Java and PHP are terrible

2

:P

I just really like Ruby's elegance

hichris123

sigh

Doorknob

03:30

I got distracted by my dog :P

final result:

[G] Famous Question: 3138
[S] Constituent: 639
[S] Notable Question: 9463
[B] Informed: 322
[B] Talkative: 338
[B] Self-Learner: 664
[B] Organizer: 680
[B] Caucus: 720
[B] Custodian: 1104
[B] Citizen Patrol: 1248
[B] Commentator: 1560
[B] Critic: 1752
[B] Editor: 4164
[B] Nice Question: 4538
[B] Scholar: 4614
[B] Nice Answer: 6372
[B] Student: 7587
[B] Autobiographer: 7725
[B] Supporter: 9529
[B] Teacher: 10126
[B] Popular Question: 15960

(I started testing on Arqade because I have less badges there :P)

maybe I should put the numbers first so they line up nicely

or make the words line up

[G] Famous Question  3138
[S] Constituent      639
[S] Notable Question 9463
[B] Informed         322
[B] Talkative        338
[B] Self-Learner     664
[B] Organizer        680
[B] Caucus           720
[B] Custodian        1104
[B] Citizen Patrol   1248
[B] Commentator      1560
[B] Critic           1752
[B] Editor           4164
[B] Nice Question    4538
[B] Scholar          4614
[B] Nice Answer      6372
[B] Student          7587
[B] Autobiographer   7725
[B] Supporter        9529
[B] Teacher          10126

github.com/OddLlama/stackexchange-badge-ranker

animuson

SVG logo! animuson.info/images/panels/logo.svg

Undo

03:50

@hichris Ya know those shiny graphs Amazon gives you for EC2? I figured out how to make them work in my app :D

Doorknob

wait, somehow I ended up on https://meta.so... ???

hichris123

@Undo How?

hichris123

04:06

I'm 1k on Meta!

Dennis Meng

very nice

hichris123

Now I won't be clicking air (vote counts) anymore. :P

animuson

increases the established user privilege to user.find('hichris123').reputation + 1

hichris123

Animuson as a Dev would be scary... @Undo. :P

Undo

04:29

@hichris123 there's a CloudWatch iOS API :D

hichris123

@Undo And Android?

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/21793399/…

Undo

05:00

@hichris I think there's a Java one too.

animuson

05:34

I now get free downvotes on SR.

LowerClassOverflowian

05:59

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/221212/… should be reopened

Laszlo Papp

-1

A: What is the difference between local and centralized web agents?

So OpenSSOAgentConfiguration.properties and Configuration on openAm server which one will affect depends on this setting? If set to centralized the configuration on openam will affect, if set to local than the properties file will work? right? I was confused same question.

animuson

Lol... how you know you broke something bad...

michaelb958

06:14

For posterity.

animuson

Haha I just happened to be browsing through my site and was like... Oh... That's a lot of pandas...

animuson

06:26

This has got to be the most tracking information I've ever seen for a package...

Laszlo Papp

07:51

0

A: Asynchronous vs. Synchronous Encryption Key and is SSL required for my app?

Quote, "Secondly, in my case i'll definitely add a symmetric encryption key on top of SSL.." Wt? The whole purpose of sound PKC is in using "asymmetry", i.e., asymmetric cryptographic keys (AK's) - not symmetric ones. With AK's, the private key is never broadcast, and because the public & privat...

I think it is offensive and rude ...

rene

08:10

morning

Laszlo Papp

Hi Rene.

Which moderator candidate had 20k+ helpful flags?

rene

H2CO3?

Laszlo Papp

nope. I think I would recall that.

I may have dreamed it.

Mat

It is bluefeet

rene

beat me to it

Laszlo Papp

08:26

Thanks, that is definitely worth my vote.

:-)

rene

I take the opportunity to shameless plug my question for the candidate mods which was inspired by a conversation in this room.

Laszlo Papp

wow, there is a comment upvote daily limit?

rene

I don't think so

It is throttled

Laszlo Papp

I cannot upvote any more comments.

"daily limit reached" or so.

Mat

69

Q: The Complete Rate-Limiting Guide

I noticed that I can only perform certain actions such as commenting a finite number of times in a given period of time. Obviously, rate limiting is in place to prevent accidental misuse or intentional abuse of certain features. Where else is rate limiting applied on Stack Exchange sites, and wh...

Laszlo Papp

08:34

thanks.

rene

I never hit that so I don't upvote comments enough?

Laszlo Papp

yeah. It happened to me the first time due to the moderator election.

Manishearth

10:33

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: RELATIONS AND FUNCTIONS on math.stackexchange.com

Laszlo Papp

10:52

weird self-selected answer

0

A: linux C++, libnoise, getvalue() return value > 1? (reported as bug)

looks like nobody care of libnoise but me

rene

indeed...is it NAA? And is that new answer OK? seems to talk about a different lib

Laszlo Papp

deleted by Flexo now.

Flexo

@LaszloPapp not any more ;)

Laszlo Papp

thanks.

I am not sure why people expect every moderator to be an active part of meta.

Experienced users can help with that, and some moderators can focus on things that regular users cannot do. I just feel sorry for active site cleaners not participating that much to meta, and getting critics.

3ventic

Because moderators should know decisions made by the community and one would assume they would be interested to participate in the discussion as well

Laszlo Papp

11:00

experienced users know that, too.

Mat

stackoverflow.com/questions/21796605/… - Yay! live streaming spam is back!

rene

Got it!

Laszlo Papp

12

A: Converting integers to roman numerals

Have a look at this nice blog post.

what to do with such link-only answers? Shall post some inline content or just leave as is?

rene

Maybe convert to comment?

Laszlo Papp

yeah, I just feel sorry for the reputation then.

rene

11:06

That blog item is pretty big

creating an excerpt from it would take some effort...

Laszlo Papp

I just left a comment.

rene

Yeah, hopefully he wants to revisit

Laszlo Papp

-3

A: How to limit file upload type file size in PHP?

if (isset ( $_FILES['uploaded_file'] ) ) { $file_size = $_FILES['uploaded_file']['size']; $file_type = $_FILES['uploaded_file']['type']; if (($file_size > 2097152)){ $message = 'File too large. File must be less than 2 megabytes.'; echo '<script type="text/javascript">alert("'.$m...

-1

A: Scanner.nextLine input skipping

please read here another post in stackoverflow which explains in detail

Mat

@LaszloPapp: rep from posts that have a score of more than 3 and are more than 60 days old is preserved. So don't worry about that.

Laszlo Papp

@Mat: you mean even if deleted?

-2

A: WordPress: Managing subfolders in media library

I'm absolutely with Stefan here. It can't be rocketscience to build a default option that lets you add subfolders to the media library. WP is fantastic but ONE media library with ALL the pictures in the same place is such a stupid default solution that is almost make me angry. But hey. Let 60 mio...

Mat

11:13

Yes. See the reputation faq.

Laszlo Papp

ok, strange.

rene

Isn't that wordpress question asking for a lib?

Laszlo Papp

1

A: How to start TDD in Django?

Some links/tutorial to help you. http://gettingstartedwithdjango.com/en/lessons/testing-microblog/ http://test-driven-django-development.readthedocs.org/en/latest/01-getting-started.html

@Mat, thanks, I am surprised.

Flexo

@LaszloPapp It wasn't always that way - changed in 2011 IIRC

Laszlo Papp

I guess some old off-topic questions would have caused a lot of reputation decrease for the corresponding people.

Bart

11:18

Blog - Stack Exchange: Reputation and Historical Archives

Shog9 on March 05, 2012

If you’ve been around Meta Stack Overflow the past few days, you’ve seen a fair bit of conversation sparked by the recent changes to how reputation is calculated:

To be clear: reputation values are not changing, every action in the system is still worth the same amount. Here’s what will be different:

Your reputation will be correct at all times

Deletions will have a much more immediate effect on reputation, not waiting on a recalc (but reputation sync takes up to 5 minutes on a delete/undelete action; as to not block the user’s response thread, it’s offloaded to a background queue) …

Flexo

(when reputation automatically noticed deletions without a manual recalculation and suddenly people realised they'd lost lots)

what I can never quite remember is if that includes bounties or not. One would assume it did, but it's so rare...

Laszlo Papp

two more downvotes to 3K. :-)

Martijn Pieters

Did the smokescreen catch meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/221273/fengshui-in-bangalore?

nope.

Laszlo Papp

1

A: Install app on genymotion device ,meet:“INSTALL_FAILED_CPU_ABI_INCOMPATIBLE”

This is link youtube i think help you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSmGc0J6MU

Martijn Pieters

Sigh, that's not an answer..

Laszlo Papp

11:24

yep, it was the 3000th download for me.

Martijn Pieters

s/download/downvote/

Laszlo Papp

ah, yeah, I always write downloads. Strange.

Mat

@Flexo: for science, I deleted my answer here, rep at time of deletion 93144. Lets see what happens.

Bart

-1

Q: I have been playing with csv files but i have never met one such as this. The encoding is unknown i tried vim no results..

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csv character-encoding

Laszlo Papp

I have an idea for the answer.

VF��kq��˩l��BR�z�ɪ�-N�\��*��}4-V��NJ9��(�S|O�6{��ߤ$.U��3r Xv�Wg��4��N^�Yc�oZ" "��j� a֫i:�(��1�""" p�P

:D

Bart

11:29

+1 �4��N^�Yc�oZ" �j� a֫i:"��j� a֫i:�(��1�""

Martijn Pieters

Golly, I am one vote away from topping the CSV tag..

Laszlo Papp

"This question appears to be off-topic because it is about guessing a file encoding. This is not programming. "

haha. :)

Martijn Pieters

Would not have called that.

Bart

Now there's something to put on your CV @MartijnPieters

ThiefMaster

@hichris123: "please disregard my NAA flag" is suited much better as an "other" flag than a comment (not sure if you can put an "other" flag on a post you already flagged as NAA though)

Martijn Pieters

11:32

@ThiefMaster: I flagged stackoverflow.com/questions/20416216/… as NAA.

Shall I add a other comment to try?

ThiefMaster

go for it

Martijn Pieters

It works

When flagged as NAA, you can still flag as Other as well.

ThiefMaster

uh, you hadn't flagged that post as NAA

Bart

I don't think there's much risk of copy-pasting in that answer @MartijnPieters ;)

ThiefMaster

unless you used a sockpuppet for it though :p

Martijn Pieters

11:34

Except I didn't flag it..

Erm, no, I considered flagging it.

Then didn't but posted a comment instead.

oops.

@ThiefMaster Strangely enough, I have yet to find a reason to create a sock.

ThiefMaster

you could use this post to give it another try

Martijn Pieters

Nope, it does not work.

> You already flagged ...

so, no, once flagged, people can only use the comments under the post to communicate with the mods.

or come here and poke you guys.

Bart

12:00

Sigh ... and here I thought this "Jeff Atwood" user might be finally worth giving the benefit of the doubt.

3ventic

Facedesk

Bart

Myeah

michaelb958

-8

Q: How i can meet the very jeff atwood?

im alreaDY look other question but nothing was found. i know you can contact hem but i realy will meet hem because i want to be his friend and suggest feature for hem. there is way for this? thank you =)

discussion

For posterity.

Bart

I would not be surprised if that is the intention @michaelb958. Given him observing this chat, and this being very similar behaviour to (a string of) other accounts.

michaelb958

@Bart Oops... errr... should I delete that?

Bart

12:05

Nah, just leave it. Doesn't really matter.

Trojan

The question by itself wasn't too unsettling. But the comments make me fear for Jeff's life

Bart

Meh, his giant S will keep him safe.

Trojan

Sorry, giant S?

Bart

Dear Next Person Who Opens a Pluralization 'Bug', I will personally come to your house and bludgeon you to death with a giant S

Tweeted by codinghorror on February 1, 2009 at 2:33 AM

3ventic

I'm going to do other things in 1 seconds.

michaelb958

12:09

Yeah, his 1 giant Ss.

3ventic

Bye

Bart

cya

Martijn Pieters

@michaelb958 Yeah, that's totally not a double-entendre either..

Manishearth

12:21

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: TWIN PRIIME CONJECTURE SOLUTION on mathoverflow.net

Laszlo Papp

13:10

Based on the description, does it mean that the user lost badges?

Janak Nirmal, Ahmedabad, India

14.1k 13 36 73

iphone objective-c ios ipad xcode cocoa-touch ios4

Manishearth

50 day commit streak!

Bart

I hate that graphic

It always shows me how lazy I am

rene

You could write a script...

Martijn Pieters

13:29

That graph also doesn't take private repos into account.

It makes me look terrible, that graph.

Underneath there is Pushed 33 commits to <private repo> Feb 10 - Feb 14..

LowerClassOverflowian

13:56

Martijn

Hey all, this question should be re-opened meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/221212/… , because Martijn closed it!

Bart

Why does that mean it should be reopened?

And there were 4 other users who voted the same, even before Martijn

LowerClassOverflowian

You can see my reason why in the comment of the questoin, as well, as if you check the edit.

Bart

Fair enough, as long as the reason isn't "because Martijn closed it".

Manishearth

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: COHERENCE IN LASER on physics.stackexchange.com

LowerClassOverflowian

Thank you all who help.

Manishearth

14:04

0

Q: COHERENCE IN LASER

what is line width and band width in laser? LINE WIDTH MEANING? 1.BAND WIDTH MENING WHAT IS SPATIAL AND TEMPORAL COHERENCE?

laser

that response time

Bart

BUT WHAT IS @Manishearth? WHAT IS???

I wonder why users like that don't simply google first with the very terms they're asking about.

Manishearth

@Bart BECAUSE GOOGLE DOESN'T KNOW WHY AND DOESN'T UNDERSTAND SHOUTING

WHY DONT YOU UNDERSTANDDDD

Bart

DAMN YOU GOOGLE!!!

Sumurai8

14:20

Beware the Unicorn Cookies!

Undo

15:13

Any CMs on the lurk?

ProgramFOX

Why?

Undo

Because I have a question about something a CM told me.

Bart

What did you break @Undo? Or what did you violate?

Laszlo Papp

20K+ helpful flag. OMG, I still do not believe it!

someone, shake me up. :)

Bart

How the frick is this upvoted? stackoverflow.com/questions/21799398/…

Undo

15:17

@Bart Well... I was on a tag-wiki-suggestion spree, and Robert came and rejected them all. So I asked him in chat and he explained that we want the excerpts the show what the tag should be used for, not what they represent.

And so now that I can review suggested edits there (there are 26 in the queue ATM), I want to know if the same applies to tag wikis themselves.

Bart

Got an example of a case @Undo?

One that he declined?

Undo

@Bart Uhm... Yeah. Lemme go get to a computer.

hopes he doesn't trip on the way down the dark stairs

I return

softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/376

softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/375

Laszlo Papp

@Bart: e.g. someone likes cuda questions.

Bart

I love me some CUDA questions. But that's not so much a CUDA question as it is a crap question @LaszloPapp ;)

Laszlo Papp

well, I upvote poor QtSerialPort questions, too.

because I am the maintainer, and I wanna encourage everyone to use it.

in any way, I can.

Bart

15:21

FOR SHAME

Yeah @Undo, I have to agree with him there

Undo

@Bart And I do too, now. Because I talked with him.

Bart

Tag wikis however are fair game

imho

Those can contain such content

Anyway, not a CM, so I'll defer to them. ;)

Laszlo Papp

@Bart: well, they answer to my clarification questions, and then we solve the problem, so all fine.

Bart

Hehe, fair enough.

Undo

@Bart Have an SR account?

Bart

15:24

Yeah

Laszlo Papp

but I downvoted this one because I do not care about CUDA. :)

Bart

... I'll say that it's the result that counts. ;)

Undo

So @Bart, what do you think of this one? I'm leaning accept, you?

Bart

If it wasn't horribly phrased, maybe.

Undo

And this one is good, right?

Wait no, that's the wiki itself.

Bart

15:27

Yeah, reject I'd say. Not really wiki content

Undo

So there's my question: Should the tag wikis be meta-content or content?

Gah, they need to make wiki vs. excerpt more noticeable.

3ventic

especially in review

Bart

I would go for primarily content, unless there is a history of bad tag-use. In that case you could opt for some meta-content in the wiki at some point. But then again, who reads that ...

Undo

yeah, makes sense.

I knew SR would be a learning experience, but I didn't think I needed to re-learn tag wikis :P

3ventic

Tag wiki => information about the tag and its usage with useful links and such

Excerpt => information that makes it clear when to use the tag

Right?

Undo

15:30

So what do I reject it with, @Bart? Not helpful?

@3ventic Right, as far as I understand.

3ventic

Don't you just hate it when people disable right click on their website?

Jan Dvorak

@3ventic example?

Undo

@3ventic Ugh, I had to do maintenance on a website where they did that once. Chrome Dev Tools were useless.

Bart

You could do @Undo

Jan Dvorak

@Undo how come?

3ventic

15:31

That one for example

1) it's irritating and 2) it doesn't help at all

Undo

@JanDvorak Because it was a website where you buy photos and they didn't want people to just right click -> save image as...

3ventic

ctrl+shift+j in chrome and F12 in IE11 bypass that completely

Doorknob

@3ventic at least it doesn't kill F12... I've been on a site that does that

Bart

What @3ventic? You're saying you can get around such protection? Wow

Jan Dvorak

@3ventic bad idea

Undo

15:32

@Bart So what about this one?

Doorknob

@Undo ...that doesn't protect against that at all :/

Jan Dvorak

the latest changed file in the browser cache

Undo

@Doorknob No, but it makes developers mad. Which I suppose may be a good thing depending on your perspective.

3ventic

I'm saying it's extremely irritating when they do that.

Bart

Not for us @Doorknob. The general public however ...

3ventic

15:33

I use that right click menu to refresh the page

I can't be bothered to take my other hand off my coffee mug to press F5

I would understand it if they replaced it with their own right click menu though

Doorknob

@3ventic document.oncontextmenu = null on a userscript could help

3ventic

like google does

on docs and gmail at least

Undo

The site I had to work on would even pop up a big alert saying "DONT STEAL OUR CONTENT" whenever I right-clicked.

Apparently there's a wordpress plugin for it.

Doorknob

lol

Bart

I do love sites that use a div for "protection" though. Yeah, now I really can't see your content through that grey layer, nor can I remove the entire node ...

Undo

15:36

It took me a week after that project to learn that right-clicking is still okay.

Jan Dvorak

@Bart like the Wikipedia's blackout?

3ventic

@Undo Yeah... it's not like some people use it to refresh or go back/forward, or even translate the page with google translator...

Bart

Yeah @JanDvorak. Or like some newspapers do for the subscriber content.

Undo

I love Chrome's built-in translator gizmo.

I can go to pt.SO and get mixed up and write a post there in English.

Jan Dvorak

@Undo how do I tell it to translate to english, not to my native language?

Undo

15:39

@JanDvorak Just a minute.

That second dropdown menu will do it, @JanDvorak.

3ventic

There

Jan Dvorak

@Undo before it even tries to translate, I mean

Undo

@JanDvorak Oh. I dunno, try @3ventic's method.

3ventic

There's a link "manage languages"

or if you use Chrome in your native language, search in your native language as well, should be easy enough

Jan Dvorak

thanks, found

Jan Dvorak

15:55

@3ventic nah, it only means that it offers you to translate that language to your own

3ventic

oh

Change Chrome's language?

Jan Dvorak

for some reason I can't use english... do I need to reinstall?

Undo

Eh?

That's... weird.

3ventic

I don't know

My Chrome's language changed when I changed my Windows's language

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