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12:10 AM
waits for his downvotes
 
adonde?
why do you use backticks in the code? stackoverflow.com/questions/6686933/…
 
@jcolebrand I was mimicking the OP.
Though I think that's the MySQL version of [this].[silliness]
 
Indeed
 
is really bored, if you couldn't tell.
Ah good, someone is home.
That means I can eat.
 
Hooray!
 
12:20 AM
whats goin on peeps?
@jcolebrand you should use them in MYSQL when trying to not use keywords
 
@Neal Apparently food needs to be cooked before I can eat it.
NOBODY TOLD ME
 
@mootinator ha
not sushi
 
Rice.
 
12:34 AM
@Neal I was not aware of that
@Neal you caught us during one of our ritual downtimes. we were preparing to sacrifice the chickengoats
@mootinator nonsense. See: 675111 ~ You were told.
12 mins ago, by mootinator
@Neal Apparently food needs to be cooked before I can eat it.
 
@jcolebrand That's because you didn't understand :675074 9 minutes earlier.
 
@mootinator pffft
I wasn't even here 9 minutes earlier
 
@jcolebrand You were supposed to be waiting patiently for my reply.
 
@mootinator I was whisked away suddenly by the need to converse with my manager
Something about him signing my checks trumps waiting for your reply
 
12:43 AM
I'm not sure why tho, probably something wrong with the universe
 
Undoubtedly.
 
12:58 AM
needs to stop encouraging people.
 
@jcolebrand ha
@jcolebrand and now you are :-)
 
...is still shook up by that murder...
@mootinator Thanks for the reminder!
puts up spaghetti and meatballs
 
@Moshe i know.... wth....
it is just confusing
baruch dayan haemes
(if i can put that on se...)
 
1:14 AM
@Neal Of course you can. I've been trying to code all day, too distracted. It's depressing.
 
@Moshe yea...
 
@Neal Indeed, some of my family went to the funeral.
 
oy.... its just terrible....
 
yea, @Neal, What kind of development/coding do you do?
 
@Moshe web dev
 
1:15 AM
Cool. I do iPhone apps.
I am downloading Dovid Gabay "Eretz Yisroel" from iTunes.
 
@Neal just added you.
@Neal Want to do a hangout?
 
@Moshe not right now
 
ok
So, I'm working on an iphone game atm (and dinner)
 
cool
 
1:18 AM
yep
 
added u
 
If anyone cares, I'm learning how not to collaborate with other programmers. It's called not using source control.
 
1:33 AM
@Moshe :/
 
I have something wrong with the tooth on the front of my mouth
I think the gum is dying around it
it always feels like there's some food or something stuck in there
 
The evil gingivitis?
 
I hope not
There's a long story there
the punchline is that I have a root but the entire visible portion is fake (except somehow one little bitty dot in the middle)
and the gums around it have issues
 
Hum.
 
I am usually addicted to mints as well (paranoid I have bad breath)
if you want pictures I'll take 'em but I doubt you do
 
1:44 AM
I think a dentist might be more interested.
I'll forward your pictures to mine.
He might start asking questions about where the beard came from though.
Downside to telecommuting: Mosquito bites in places you decided not to clothe.
 
I expect
So anyways, I'm avoiding the dentist since I don't have any cavities because I also don't have any money
just aiming for good hygiene
 
Yeh.
I find those little flossers + remembering to brush + listerine for a few weeks gets my mouth in good shape.
 
I have a sack of those by the bathroom sink
I also swear by listerine
I'm probably in better oral condition than I want to believe
 
The dental hygenist swears I should be in worse shape with how little I actually do.\
@jcolebrand The comments on that answer continue to perplex me.
 
@mootinator I read them as "it's magic and I guess it works but I don't know why"
 
1:54 AM
Possibly.
 
speaking of magic, I need to write some magic deserializer code
 
Use jQuery
 
Sadly, that will not computer on the server in C#
However, perhaps we should write some C# jQuery
$(T t).GetType().doMagic();
That would be just what I need here
And in about five minutes, it will be
Good god I just know this thing is about 50 times heavier than it needs to be
I probably don't need to run a logging function that captures the data as XML as it comes into the app ...
 
2:18 AM
Looking for a JS library? Check out this wiki - tons of links to graphics, media, and utility libraries: http://t.co/R8rbI1i #wdcnz
 
2:33 AM
You still here Kevin?
Think this is too heavy to dump into a DB on a regular basis (like, with every webservice request)
<ArrayOfKeyValuePairOfstringanyType xmlns="http://schemas.datacontract.org/2004/07/System.Collections.Generic" xmlns:i="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
  <KeyValuePairOfstringanyType>
    <key>mshd</key>
    <value i:nil="true" />
  </KeyValuePairOfstringanyType>
  <KeyValuePairOfstringanyType>
    <key>outageDetectionEvents</key>
    <value xmlns:a="http://schemas.datacontract.org/2004/07/App_Code.Multispeak" i:type="a:ArrayOfoutageDetectionEvent">
      <a:outageDetectionEvent>
        <a:anyAttrField xmlns:b="http://schemas.datacontract.org/2004/07/System.Xml" i:nil="true" />
 
2:44 AM
@jcolebrand That depends on the volume of requests. =)
 
It could be on the order of hundreds of requests an hour, maybe even thousands. I don't think that's too heavy for the app to run, considering it processes all that faster than I care to profile it ;)
 
Exactly.
 
I'm gonna wait for someone to tell me it's choking on the webservice and then I'll tell 'em I can speed it up. I mostly need this for debugging purposes now and in the future
Thanks cleaning lady, turn off the lights :p
(she remembered to turn them back on tho)
Why am I still at the office at a quarter to ten
 
Because home is full of toe sucking mosquitoes?
 
Perhaps so
fwiw, this is what it was serializing:
<ArrayOfKeyValuePairOfstringstring xmlns="http://schemas.datacontract.org/2004/07/System.Collections.Generic" xmlns:i="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
  <KeyValuePairOfstringstring>
    <key>mshd</key>
    <value />
  </KeyValuePairOfstringstring>
  <KeyValuePairOfstringstring>
    <key>outageDetectionEvents</key>
    <value>App_Code.Multispeak.outageDetectionEvent[]</value>
  </KeyValuePairOfstringstring>
  <KeyValuePairOfstringstring>
    <key>transactionID</key>
    <value>1234567890132456789</value>
I would say this was a advantageous update over that
at least now I can see the effing values being passed
 
2:49 AM
=)
 
What's gonna be fun is deserializing the thing back out. I haven't decided to cross that bridge yet, I can rebuild it by hand for now
I'm pretty sure it serializes with enough information to get that back out.
I can always add another set of fields to this XML in the future tho
 
More
 
more what?
 
xml?
 
So anyways, I've got all my code up and my boss can see it and be happy, tomorrow to do a little spring cleaning on the code to make me happy
 
2:56 AM
MOAR
 
Ahhh, I hate XML
I despise it
I live for JSON
Three basic types: Arrays, Objects, Values.
 
JSON is okay
 
Granted, that last one can be split into strings and numerics
and I suppose null has a place in there somewhere
 
I like the inefficiency of opening and closing tags which only contain text and not more structure.
 
<textFieldThatShouldAlwaysBeEmpty></textFieldThatShouldAlwaysBeEmpty>
 
2:57 AM
It's awesome
 
<textFieldThatShouldAlwaysBeEmptyExceptDuringTesting></textFieldThatShouldAlway‌​sBeEmptyExceptDuringTesting>
I like this one (real example) <ArrayOfArrayOfKeyValuePairOfstringanyType></ArrayOfArrayOfKeyValuePairOfstring‌​anyType>
 
The .NET API is generally smart enough to change that to <textFieldThatShouldAlwaysBeEmptyExceptDuringTesting />
@jcolebrand O_o.
I had to create a report in xml for a company which refused to specify how it needed to be nested.
Or what the tag names actually were.
 
hehe, the serialization part is so fast the timestamps are the same around the method:
2011-07-13 21:59:57.880
2011-07-13 21:59:57.880
@mootinator it happens ya know
2011-07-13 21:53:13.783
2011-07-13 21:53:13.770
@jcolebrand I suppose that's a measurable thing right? .013 seconds?
 
Indeed.
 
that's just over 1 one hundredth of a second
that's 13 milliseconds?
So ... do I care about serialization that takes 13 milliseconds?
 
3:02 AM
I just remembered I have to be up in 7 hours.
 
granted, part of that 13 also includes writing the previous one to the database ...
 
@jcolebrand If you have 100 requests per second you do.
 
@mootinator I'll wait and profile it then
I imagine part of that was opening connection pool strings that were closed and the like
right now it's written sufficiently to allow me to serialize everything :D
Boss man'll be happy
 
Anyhow. Attempting to go to sleep early now.
 
same here. Time to get off the PC
 
3:31 AM
Oh good, working code. I won't have to go on a rampage now.
 
3:42 AM
\O/ more particle system goodness. Now, to get the grass to be the proper color...
Seems a bit much to open Photoshop for a color change... :-C
 
3:56 AM
hmmm just had a panic attack and hatzalah came
that was fun
 
 
1 hour later…
5:13 AM
@Neal Oh, well. Feel better. I'mma install iOS 5 beta now...
 
5:26 AM
iOS5 launched?
 
in Opportunity, 15 hours ago, by Jeff Atwood
per faq "This site is an extension of Meta Stack Overflow, so discussion should more or less revolve around the same topics you'd find at Meta Stack Overflow." This room does not discuss Meta Stack Overflow or issues affecting the Stack Exchange network.
 
@Wanted Ya
Leave
 
ok
 
Don't even discuss
Say what are you doing?
 
Mood if off because of "Terror Attack" in Mumbai :(
 
5:31 AM
:-(
 
6:21 AM
@manjot no, I have developer prerelease access.
 
Oh I see
 
 
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7:50 AM
"grr my question got closed go I'mma gonna fill it full of lorem ipsum"
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Q: Resource, services and price comparison: Cloud vs VPS

abmBoth Cloud and VPS are marketing jargon for web-hosting. Cloud is the newly introduced one and is explained as a set of services and resources provided and managed by a company. VPS is a dedicated virtual machine which again providing set of several services. If you need to add/drop a service on ...

Hello @JeremyBanks
 
Anonymous
@tombull89 Hey. That user is being pretty funny.
 
Anonymous
Ah, he just replaced his profile with "close my account". I guess he's done with us.
 
"This question was removed from Meta Stack Overflow for reasons of moderation" woah.
 
Anonymous
...and his account is deleted. Wish granted.
 
8:15 AM
@Pekkasseriousaccount has a serious gravatar too.
heh
 
@Sathya hehe!
I was just about to ask whether a dev could rename it, though
Because I can't yet, due to the 30-day limit
 
well @RebeccaChernoff's always there (:
 
Yeah, but I 'm afraid she'll tell me to piss off and wait the three days. (:
Maybe it's worth a try anyway. Or @Zypher comes along, who has had an open ear for such wishes in the past
I would like my account to be "Pekka's Holiday Account" please!
For reasons of, well, my first proper holiday in years.
I probably won't have access to the Internet in three days any more when the 30-day limit is over.
 
@Pekkasseriousaccount nice!
any travel plans?
 
@Sathya I'm going to the Canary Island of Lanzarote!
 
8:21 AM
@Pekkasseriousaccount Pekka's going clubbing! wobwobwobwob
 
googles Canary Island of Lanzarote
 
@tombull89 naah, that would be more like Majorca or Ibiza I think
 
woah that's far away
 
@Sathya yeah, isnt't it! But still just a two-hour flight from Madrid apprently
 
well that's great then :)
anyhow, back later. Back to regular scheduled programming.
 
8:24 AM
@Pekkasseriousaccount Why flying from madrid?
 
@Sathya yeah, later!
@tombull89 for cost reasons (it was the cheapest flight)
From Düsseldorf to Madrid; then on to the island.
There are direct flights but they cost an arm and a leg.
 
Ah I've been to Majorca a few years ago, flew direct from Bristol. (UK)
 
@tombull89 yeah, Majorca has a lot of connecting flights to mainland europe. More than Lanzarote definitely.
 
However, you woudln't catch me going to Ibiza :P
 
@tombull89 Same here. Although there are nice spots there too, I'm told, it's not all clubs and pubs. A mate of mine goes there every year to help out on an organic farm in exchange for housing and food.
 
8:40 AM
Or maybe @balpha or @marc will grant me my wish and rename my account!
 
?
(wasn't reading)
hmmm... risk of a bad precedent...
but.... refresh
 
@MarcGravell ohhh brilliant, thanks!
@MarcGravell This never happened.
 
@RebeccaChernoff That's what I'm talking about!
 
8:59 AM
@RebeccaChernoff bright lights oh, shiny shiny
apparently there's going to be a MIB III?
 
in Opportunity, 19 hours ago, by Jeff Atwood
per faq "This site is an extension of Meta Stack Overflow, so discussion should more or less revolve around the same topics you'd find at Meta Stack Overflow." This room does not discuss Meta Stack Overflow or issues affecting the Stack Exchange network.
 
@tombull89 that would be cool
 
@Wanted That is right.
 
This room is discussing Meta Stack Overflow or issues affecting the Stack Exchange network. !!!!
 
@Wanted Yes. And this is allowed. You were talking about programming issues (a StackOverflow issue) on Meta.StackOverflow, which isn't.
 
9:03 AM
I got it
In MSO one can discuss about holidays,MIB III, ... but not programming!! as programming is SO stuff
 
9:31 AM
@Wanted aren't you mixing up Meta and Chat.Meta?
Was a contribution of yours closed on Meta, or are you talking about chat?
 
@Pekkasholidayaccount He had a M.SO chat room closed as it was discussing programming.
 
Yes In Chat.MSO one can discuss about holidays,MIB III, ... but not programming!! as programming is SO stuff
 
@tombull89 ah, fair enough.
@Wanted well, it's one thing to talk about something, and to open a chat room on the topic.
People talk about programming questions all the time in here.
 
@Wanted If you want to talk about programming, create a StackOverflow room. Just not about Andriod, we've got enough of those as it is (10, at the last count).
 
But if you want to open a room, you should do that in the proper place.
@tombull89 that was a nice freudian typo :)
Because many of them really suck as.
 
9:35 AM
I understand
 
@Pekkasholidayaccount chuckle yeah that was unintentional, really
 
It wasn't my fault, i just wanted to help my friends wherever i can ... As i am suspended from Chat.SO
:)
I just found this
 
Anonymous
9:55 AM
I'm unclear on precisely what the chat guidelines are, and am wondering if this is allowed:
 
How to delete chat room?
 
@Manjot yes, well, there's a dedicated German site.
 
Anonymous
@Manjot There is a German Language Stack Exchange site. As far as I know, there is not a Hindi Language Stack Exchange site yet.
 
9:57 AM
1 min ago, by Wanted
How to delete chat room?
 
Can I demand for Hindi Language Stack Exchange site?
 
@Manjot lol. You can suggest it area51.stackexchange.com
 
As there are many Indian on SO those who know Hindi very well
 
Anonymous
@Manjot Yes, you can propose new sites here: area51.stackexchange.com
 
@Manjot +1, It is well deserved
 
9:58 AM
How many days will it take?
 
Anonymous
@Manjot There need to be enough interested users. When enough people have committed to the site, a beta starts. This can take different amounts of time.
 
Can I advertise about the site to users to commit it?
 
@Manjot it will get advertised in the sidebar of SE sites...I think.
 
Can I recommend Indians to support the site?
 
10:01 AM
I think you should read up on A51 and see what it needs.
 
Anonymous
You can recommend it to anyone you think might use it.
 
Anonymous
but this is a long process, not something that will happen in a few days.
 
No issues ,I can wait :)
 
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A: How do you delete a room on chat

Jeff AtwoodOnly moderators can delete rooms at the moment. We're still working out the details on room-level actions.

 
@Wanted Hmm. Which room is it that you want to delete?
 
10:07 AM
I don't know, if i want to do in future ... I am learning
 
@balpha, as that link posted by Wanted is quite old, can you shed any light?
 
still true, and probably won't change (except for the autodeletion)
 
@balpha Thanks.
@Wanted Looks like you'll have to get a moderators attention.
 
@tombull89 Even Opertunity is frozen, not deleted
 
@Wanted That will be deleted after (I think) two weeks.
 
10:11 AM
@tombull89 I'll never like to do so. its always unfortunate to me
 
I wonder why that could be...
 
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Q: Hindi Language and Usage

ManjotSinghMany Indian users face problem in asking question in English,So for better Q&A developers,children,families,farmers,villagers etc can ask there question in Hindi or English both.

I am not able to propose the site,It is only create discussion
 
Anonymous
The link to create a proposal is at the bottom of the page: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/create?category=culture
 
Thank you It has been created
 
Bear in mind that this will probably have a keen eye kept on it.
Now, go and let people know about it (but don't spam chat)
 
10:18 AM
ok
I'll take care of it
People are following but count of follow is not increasing why?
Will it take some time or what?
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Hindi Language & Usage

Proposed Q&A site for many Indian users face problem in asking question in English,So for better Q&A developers,children,families,farmers,villagers etc can ask there question in Hindi or English both.

Currently in definition.

 
It needs 59 people to "follow" (join) to get the site started. Aftre 5 views you've got some way to go.
 
10:34 AM
@Manjot How is your site about "Hindi Language & Usage"? The descriptions says something totally different
 
It means that many user face issue in asking question in English
 
@Manjot they sure do...
 
As you have seen many user chat in Hindi in many technical rooms because they are not as good in English
 
wait...so this is going to be a hindi Q&A site about anything?
 
and as they don't have good command in English they wont be able to proper/exact question
So at last questions get downvoted and closed because of not proper explanation
As you will see in this room 80% are Indians and are chatting in Hindi solving their issues
 
10:38 AM
yes, but you proposed a site for questions about the Hindi Language
not in it
 
waitwaitwait...let me clarify. The point of StackOveflow is to dicuss programming issues, ServerFault is for SysAdmins, AskUbuntu is for Ubuntu, etc. The only point of HL&U is...what? Grammer and use of the language?
 
Why i an not in follower's list? still?
 
oh god I'm totally going to regret suggesting this
4
 
People who don't know English can ask their questions here in Hindi
It is Hindi Language and Usage
 
@Manjot Programming questions?
 
10:42 AM
There are many Indians who don't have good command in English
 
@Manjot ...which implies discussion of the language, NOT discussion in Hindi...
 
@Manjot "Programming Q&A in Hindi" you mean?
 
Look exactly,I was thinking about discussion in Hindi and you took it Discussion of the Language
I am also not strong in English as
@Wanted yes
 
@Manjot which is exactly what "Hindi Language and Usage" means. Useage of the Hindi language.
which git starred me? >_<
 
@Manjot @tombull89 is right, please change it
 
10:45 AM
Usage of hindi language in Different fields which can be in terms of development,for villagers,for children,for families and many more
 
right.
I'll leave you guys to it.
 
They can ask their queries in Hindi language aslo
Can I change the name of proposal of site name?
I think people misunderstood the meaning of Hindi Language and Usage
 
"Hindi stack exchange" would be right @Manjot
 
@Wanted change hi nahi ho raha hai(I don't know how to change it)
5 on-topic questions
5 off-topic questions
?
@Wanted Followers count has been 2 hurreh
 
Why i am not in list?
 
10:49 AM
@Wanted means?
 
I got this massage some time ago
 
@Wanted 2nd follower is this?
 
It's not me
 
I tell to my friends and they have been followed it,Why don't the count follow is increasing?
 
@Manjot
 
10:56 AM
@Wanted what happen I know that is not you,I am worried why follow count is not increasing?
@Wanted You have been added in Followers list you can see now count is 3
 
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