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12:08 AM
@mootinator Well, yes, but then there are sometimes I feel like just working with existing frameworks instead of innovating. I can customize my app, or make it completely generic. It begins with the UI, but the attitude can continue through control paradigm. (Refresh button vs figuring out how to make pull to refresh).
 
Some people work with existing frameworks and then innovate around them, making you wonder what crack they're smoking.
 
 
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1:51 PM
Office drama is the antithesis of fun.
 
2:15 PM
Does anybody know how you call this in english?
(and it's not zuchinni)
 
@Trufa Looks like some sort of squash, but nothing I've seen grown in these parts.
 
it's a round zucchini..
 
@TimStone interesting, apparently it isn't very common
@Fosco everyone seems to agree with you
@Fosco we don't have zuchinni here but I've tried it once, for some reason I remember it more similar to a cucumber that to this
 
Right, that's why this has the 'round' qualifier... normal zucchini is definitely more like a cucumber in shape.
 
@Fosco hmm yeah... could be! I meant in taste, but it was only one time i tried it and it was a long time ago.
 
2:29 PM
Ah... I don't think they taste too similar, but maybe the way they are prepared could affect it.
 
2:49 PM
@Fosco yep. Well thanks for the help! I'm calling it round zuchinni after all, that seems to be the consensus
 
3:31 PM
Random thought: I just used "Stack Overflow" as a verb. As in "I Stack-Overflowed this code". Somehow, that's become a good thing...
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4:19 PM
You receive one star.
 
Make that two.
 
I took out my shared web host with an .htaccess file yesterday. A stack overflow error assuredly would have been a good thing in that case as well.
 
D'oh
How interesting. I was logged out of Money.SE. I clicked on login, was about to click my OpenID provider, then the top bar appeared to tell me that I've been logged in.
 
I'm just happy they didn't revoke any of my permission to screw around because of that.
 
Fair enough. Did you kill the whole server?
 
4:23 PM
@GeorgeMarian I've noticed that behavior a few times.
@GeorgeMarian The WHOLE server.
 
@mootinator Good job, man!
 
As a result, I won't be publishing my site to test mod-rewrite rules using actual mod-rewrite code.
Far too easy for someone to DOS that and I don't want to figure out all the various things I would have to blacklist.
It was a fun idea while it lasted though :P
 
Right. Not to mention that it's an open-ended problem. The number of items to blacklist could be "infinite."
 
Exactly.
 
Well, at least you tried and learned something from it. :)
 
4:27 PM
@mootinator What are you writing it in, by the way? Since I already started, if you actually have the drive to make that happen I could see if I can dig up the implementation I created.
 
I was thinking Python, though I was still at the screwing around on a conceptual level, so I don't have any other code than a php script to handle 404 errors which returns the relevant environment variables as JSON.
Sometimes when web developers design a site they think, "I'd like to have SEO friendly URLs" Now they have three problems.
 
4:44 PM
Ah, alright, I had written my engine in Java since that's what I was using for the web stuff.
 
Engine? Don't make me feel lazy :P
 
Hahah, yep. :P
 
So, I need to stop procrastinating here.
 
5:00 PM
I'm listening to recorded lectures from the chair of my dept. He says that "C is permissive" and that there "is a C statement that lets you blow up your screen". Is that an oversimplification, or was there a specific way to do it?
:: has to ask Prof later ::
 
Is that like that clearly labelled C4 strapped to your PC having a clear case virus from "Live Free or Die Hard"?
Which for some reason required a specific key to be pressed to detonate after being activated.
 
Hehe, no idea.
 
 
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6:19 PM
I have a thought, if anyone is listening
welp, perhaps I'll check back later for comments to this suggestion:...
I think there should be a bonus to the weight for answers that are accepted when the answer was (1) the first one given and (2) a certain time passed before the answer was given
These would be fairly small bonuses (something like the standard 15 + bonus of 5 for 6-24 hours before the first answer, and maybe something like 15+10 if the answer was the first, but greater than 24 hours after the question was asked.
 
"a certain time" in what direction?
 
so, a question asked at 8:00AM is not answered and goes off the list of popular, etc.
at 4:00 PM, someone finds it and provides an answer, which is later accepted.
instead of the normal +15, the answer-er gets +20 rep
I hope that's clear - it's primarily a tiny incentive for people to review older, unanswered questions, rather than EVERYONE following a particular tag jumping on the new questions, then losing interest
 
Isn't there already a lot of interest in unanswered questions?
 
Is there a real problem with un-answered questions? I think the bounty system is a good place to solve that, and works to that effect.
 
sometimes not enough in my opinion, but I'm still fairly new to the community
its sort of like a tiny automatic bounty that doesn't remove any points, but doesn't offer THAT great of a reward
 
6:31 PM
I'm not sure an extra 5 rep would really provide the motivation, but it's not a bad idea.
 
in this question, there was apparently no initial interest
 
that's a pretty detailed, niche regular expression question, and it got a thorough answer 2 hours later.
 
I took my time and figured out what was being asked, and I was the only one to answer so far. It was accepted
 
I'm a little sad about this guy having more rep than I do:
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Q: Users should be able to downvote their own questions and answers

MasiPeople change and improve. Bad code is bad code. I want to be able to downvote questions and answers owned by my account. Not all of the posts were made by me; the admins merged my brother's account and my sister's account with mine in 2008 or 2009.

 
@Fosco I'm against this, depending of course, on how you define "unanswered", because all I need to do is wait before selecting an answer. Easy gaming of the system.
 
6:34 PM
indeed - in this case, I would not have gotten the bonus, but it encourages a small contingent of people to review questions from much earlier today or a day or two ago, and make sure that they really aren't worth an answer
 
@Moshe It's not my idea and I'm not for it either. However, he meant unanswered as in no answers posted at all.
 
I personally define 'unanswered' as one without ANY answers (in contrast to the filter at the top of the page)
Obviously, the actual times required for each rep bonus and the size of each bonus are subject to balancing
 
You can post it on meta, but I'd put money on it being [status-declined]
 
@Moshe it's not dependent upon the time the answer was selected, its dependent upon the time that the answer was provided
 
@PopularDemand that guy is quite strange...
 
6:42 PM
Additionally, (in my original thought, at least) it would only be if the FIRST answer (provided after [e.g.] 6 hours) was accepted.
It might as an alternative, be given to ANY answer that was provided after the time limit. - it's a motivation to keep trying to answer a question (to balance the idea of answering MORE questions)
and it would still be subject to the normal efforts to make sure people aren't answering and accepting their own answers with different accounts
anyways - thanks for the feedback
yowza - masi asked 14 questions in less than 2 hours? WTF?
 
@CodeJockey That's not possible. You're probably looking at his numbers for edits.
 
@PopularDemand ah - I see now, thanks - that makes a heck of a lot more sense :D
@PopularDemand you just spend a lot more time on Meta, am I right?
 
@CodeJockey I spend time on SO too, but I can't answer that many questions, and the ones I can answer usually get jumped on by other people before I finish writing.
 
6:57 PM
@PopularDemand I know the feeling
 
7:15 PM
I still have nightmares about answering C# questions and having Jon Skeet immediately downvote the answer.
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"Your knowledge is less than encyclopedic. 2 demerits!"
I jest, of course; I deserved it.
 
Indeed... I'm so glad the voting is anonymous. :)
 
7:43 PM
Sorting pancakes is NP hard i-programmer.info/news/112-theory/…
After reading it though, I have a pretty simple solution...
 
Eat all the pancakes until n=1
 
the maximum is (number of pancakes) * 2 - 1...
the quick process is: division point is directly below largest pancake out of order. flip it so it is on top. flip entire unsorted stack, division point being just above top properly sorted pancake.
 
good point
 
Example given is 52314. steps are: 41325, 13245, 31245, 21345, 12345.
 
So are they wrong, is the description of the problem wrong, or did you just prove P=NP :P
 
7:53 PM
I think they are wrong... pancake flipping is not NP hard...
Or more likely, there is part of it I am not understanding. :)
I just read through the whole arxiv PDF, and cannot believe the depth of math they go to for this...
Also, the references are quite hilarious... [13] A. Labarre and J. Cibulka. Polynomial-time sortable stacks of burnt pancakes. Theoretical Computer
Science, 412(8-10):695{702, 2011.
 
Yeah, something is off there.
oh shoot, g2g
 
> Figure 1: Examples of efficient flips. Sequence 5; 2; 3; 1; 4 is efficiently sortable (in four flips), but 5; 2; 3; 4; 1 is not.
I beg to differ.... 52341, 14325, 41325, 23145, 32145, 12345
or is 4 flips efficient, and 5 is not?... wtf.
I may have to post this on Math.SE
 
8:20 PM
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Q: Why is sorting pancakes NP hard?

FoscoAn article posted yesterday (http://www.i-programmer.info/news/112-theory/3280-pancake-flipping-is-hard-np-hard.html) references a new study released on Arxiv (http://arxiv.org/abs/1111.0434v1) with the following summary: Pancake Flipping is the problem of sorting a stack of pancakes of diffe...

 
I can't believe my bounty went unclaimed. It's only Meta rep, sure, but c'mon, it's free!
 
Does anyone actually look for bounties on MSO?
 
@PopularDemand You offered a bounty?
 
8:35 PM
It was on the bad SO tag posse question, so I know people saw it.
 
why would you put a bounty on that?
(ignore for a minute the larger question of "why would you put a bounty on anything on MSO")
 
Attention.
 
It was lacking attention, was it?
 
I thought so.
 
Last I checked, it had 20-something down-votes. That means lots of folks went and found it even after it stopped getting bumped to the front page.
 
8:37 PM
I (inexplicably) didn't know what question you were talking about until I went and looked, huh.
 
oh. But Tim didn't know about it. So, I guess there's a reason for a bounty.
Except Tim doesn't check for MSO bounties.
So, fail.
 
True story.
 
@Shog9 Not sure what you're thinking of, but this question doesn't have -20.
Gawrsh dangit @TimStone, now you've gone and made me look bad in front of @Shog9!
 
Yeah, the -20 question was something entirely different. I'd have shamed @PopularDemand if he put a bounty on that. :P
 
Hmm... Then what are you talking about?
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Q: Help wanted: clean up the [future] tag

Paŭlo EbermannI just found the future tag on Stack Overflow. Most questions there (now 109 non-closed) ask about events that will or will not happen in the future (relative to the time the question was asked or is read). Most of these are either off-topic (not about programming), not constructive ("What do y...

^^^that?
 
8:40 PM
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Q: Should we blacklist the [inspiration], [motivation], [motivation-techniques], and [satisfaction] tags?

Jason PlankI hate to be uninspiring, de-motivational, and/or dissatisfying, but I suggest we blacklist the following tags: inspiration: 19 questions, 2 of which are closed motivation: 60 questions, 13 of which are closed motivation-techniques: 10 questions, 2 of which are closed satisfaction: 2 questions,...

 
oh. it's status-completed.
 
@PopularDemand Kevin killed your posse!
 
So, I suppose maybe it worked.
 
Backfired, more like.
It's really not worth the amount of energy that's already been spent on this conversation, though.
...although I am now curious what -20 question it was that you were thinking of originally.
 
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Q: Let's clean up low-quality posts with profanity on Stack Overflow

Chris When I originally wrote this request, I was basing it off of Jeff's assertion that "expletives are not acceptable behavior on meta or any other Stack Overflow site." After going through a number of these posts, however, I also found that the use of the word "damn" is often an indicator of a lo...

 
8:44 PM
Not sure how I missed that one.
 
that was originally tagged [posse]. And it was about SO cleanup. But, not about tags (although a bit of a ruckus involving tags did kick up shortly afterwards)
 
9:00 PM
@Fosco So, looks like a giant waste of time to me, lol.
 
@mootinator What, posting it?
 
No, the question.
It's an NP complete problem to find a solution better than this existing polynomial time solution to this problem.
Fantastic, who cares :P
 
Right...
> They are saying exactly that - it's easy to see that any stack can be flipped in 2n−1 flips as you point out, but the question is, what's the precise bound?
^ Who gives a flying pancake?
The paper said we didn't know the 'maximum'... the maximum is 2n-1. I do not understand any further computation. :)
i don't even know what that means, the precise bound.
 
And that is precisely why I decided I didn't need an honors degree.
 
:).. at least I didn't get down-voted for asking.
 
9:05 PM
I started going to seminars, and 99% of the students presenting were researching topics of no practical value whatsoever.
Why do I answer the home phone during the day.
Hungry children? Harumph Harumph. Isn't that why I pay taxes? Harumph.
Christmas is coming? Bah! Humbug.
Oh wait, I just realized the genius of the charity what just called me not five minutes ago.
The jerkface parents who don't feed their children don't get any direct support from me.
Hard to say, I suppose.
 

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