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@jcolebrand Microsoft Student Partners is doing a survey. I can apply now and possibly get on, or wait a week until the CS club is running and have something else to put on the application.

Trufa

@jcolebrand Once I do a using System; I can use Math

jcolebrand

Do it now

@Trufa yes.

Trufa

Cool

George Marian

12:14 AM

@TimStone I haven't started digging into it yet and have no idea what could cause it. A quick google search brought up nothing useful and made it clear that this is a difficult search topic.

jcolebrand

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.math.aspx

Trufa

@jcolebrand It does make a lot sense

jcolebrand

System.Object
  System.Math
Namespace:  System
Assembly:  mscorlib (in mscorlib.dll)

namespace is what you use in the using

George Marian

At some point, I may just have a question for WordPress.SE.

Trufa

@jcolebrand thanks again I'll try it out now

jcolebrand

12:15 AM

compare msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.web.routing.route.aspx System.Web.Routing.Route

System.Object
  System.Web.Routing.RouteBase
    System.Web.Routing.Route
      System.ServiceModel.Activation.ServiceRoute
      System.Web.DynamicData.DynamicDataRoute
Namespace:  System.Web.Routing
Assembly:  System.Web (in System.Web.dll)

the using here would be System.Web.Routing

Alternately I can always call them as System.Math.Abs(...) or System.Web.Routing.Route.Route(...)

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Yeah, I could see something being misconfigured if there was something sitting in front of PHP or if someone messed around with the code, but otherwise that's quite strange.

Moshe

Ok, homework time.

Trufa

12:36 AM

@Moshe good luck!

Maxim Zaslavsky

In case some of the Stack Exchange overlords see this here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/108111/…

jcolebrand

@MaximZaslavsky You might be surprised to learn that they would see it sooner on meta, regardless if you posted it here.

Also of note, that is a proper Q for either Stack Overflow (code related) or Code Review (does this work like I expect it to) or Programmers (how should I do this and not lose anything?)

Trufa

1:34 AM

When I'm writing a forms application, how can I see what I've printed with Console.Writeline("something")

The console doesn't "popup"

jcolebrand

that is correct

Instead you want to use the debug facilities

Those will write to the Visual Studio development environment immediate window

Trufa

And how do I use those?

jcolebrand

I don't have VS on this particular laptop, so I can't give you specifics

but I know that it's about using System.Diagnostics and Debug.Print

Trufa

@jcolebrand No prob :) but what am I looking for?

jcolebrand

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.diagnostics.aspx

Trufa

1:47 AM

@jcolebrand Ok, but now, which should I use, or where can I see them? If I use Debug.WriteLine() I still don't know where to look for what I'm sending

jcolebrand

@Trufa it should be in the "immediate" window

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/f177hahy(v=vs.80).aspx

Trufa

there, got it! at least with Results window, I'm trying the immediate window now.

Damn visual studio in spanish

I never can find anything!!!

jcolebrand

oooh, maybe that's it

I don't even have VS here so I can't test it (until I go back downstairs, but I'm watching TV in my room)

Trufa

@jcolebrand hehe don't worry about it

It's sufficiently solved

@jcolebrand thanks again!!

jcolebrand

Yay!

@Trufa never a problem.

Trufa

1:54 AM

:)

George Marian

2:08 AM

BTW, I'm not a fan of the recent changes to delicious.com. I may just look for the opensource clone and host my own.

Moshe

2:38 AM

Lower Manhattan Expressway

__NOTOC__ The Lower Manhattan Expressway (also known as the Canal Street Expressway or LOMEX) was a controversial plan for an expressway through lower Manhattan originally conceived by Robert Moses in 1941, but delayed until the early 1960s. It was to be a ten-lane elevated highway, stretching from the East River to the Hudson River, connecting the Holland Tunnel on the west side to the Williamsburg and Manhattan Bridges to the east. By 1961, Moses had set in motion two immense federal initiatives, which would have leveled fourteen blocks along Broome Street in Little Italy and what is now...

George Marian

2:48 AM

@Moshe Interesting. While that would have been quite disruptive, I think it could have also been a good thing.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian My thoughts exactly.

Trufa

I'm surprised, I'm making a calculator as home work, and in c# when you divide by 0, it doest break the program, it says Infinity

I'm not sure how good is that!

Tim Stone

Sounds like your inputs are reversed.

'Cause it'll definitely throw a DivideByZeroException.

Trufa

@TimStone that would be strange since 0/6 would actually be 0, not infinity

(I may be wrong somewhere though)

Tim Stone

Oh, duh. But yeah. :P

Oh, you're dividing doubles?

Trufa

3:02 AM

@TimStone yep

Tim Stone

Ah, then yeah, that's correct.

Trufa

@TimStone strange behaviour

strnage

Tim Stone

Limit of 1 / x as x -> 0 is infinity.

Trufa

@TimStone agreed, but I actually said 0 not tending to 0

never mind the precision of double 0 is 0

(I'm having 5 typos per word) (and again)

Tim Stone

Yeah, but IEEE 754 defines the representation as being infinity.

It doesn't work for integers though since they can't have special values.

Trufa

3:11 AM

@TimStone Hmm interesting, I'll read about it as soon as I'm done with the homework

Moshe

3:52 AM

Yay my essay is done!

Math HW...

jcolebrand

4:15 AM

let's see your essay

Trufa

@Moshe I'm almost done too with my calculator :)

Moshe

@Trufa calculator?

@jcolebrand Should I email it to you?

Trufa

@Moshe I have to do a calculator as homework, in c# with forms

jcolebrand

sure

you still haven't figured this out?

Moshe

@jcolebrand heh, never had to.

jcolebrand

4:22 AM

@Moshe I have you saved as a contact on that service with like four addresses

Moshe

Oh, I probably had that correspondence before upgrading to Lion/Wiping my contacts.

Fosco

if you log in gmail, don't you see him in the chat list?

Moshe

I don't log in yo gmail online

jcolebrand

you don't just use the gmail window?

wow

Moshe

I use Mail for Mac

jcolebrand

4:23 AM

I need a better twitter client than the ones that exist

I just don't want to write one

even tho it would help me

Moshe

Ok, sent.

@Trufa Oooh, I once tried that back in the day, using VB.NET.

Went miserably, but, yea...

Trufa

@Moshe Yep, the only thing I don't really like is Windows in general and visual studio

c# is a nice language though

Moshe

@Trufa Heh, and I have to make up a 1 minute video about my favorite MS technology for the MSP program.

Trufa

@Moshe I would choose my calculator :)

Moshe

Oh, I just remembered that I grabbed the Humble Bundle right before the holiday on wednesday afternoon, I should check out those games.

@Trufa Heh, makes sense.

Trufa

4:30 AM

@Moshe you would argue that it's still in Beta

Moshe

@Trufa So, I might vote for Windows Developer Preview - which is also in beta

Although I probably would say that my Windows 7 Party was awesome.

Trufa

Not really a windows guy myself ( anything else suits me fine)

Moshe

@Trufa What do you usually use?

Trufa

@Moshe I love Mac, but I don't have one now, I use Arch Linux when the apple is unavailable

They tend to be freaking expensive

Moshe

@Trufa Indeed.

Trufa

4:34 AM

@Moshe I will "have" to buy one soon, I want to develop an ipad app

jcolebrand

@Moshe really? it's about as easy as they come

Moshe

@Trufa Ah, cool. I'll be around to help out with questions when you get started.

@jcolebrand Huh?

jcolebrand

@Moshe follow the trail

that's what those are for

Moshe

Heh, got it.

That was a long time ago.

jcolebrand

So when

people chat

like this

Fosco

4:36 AM

@Moshe Did you throw one of the launch parties and get the free copy?

jcolebrand

does

it annoy you

@Fosco Yep

@Moshe?

@jcolebrand heh

@Moshe Me too :) Signature edition... signed by Ballmer. Y U NO HAVE GATES SIGN IT?

jcolebrand

4:36 AM

your paper reads like that to start

Moshe

@jcolebrand I know, that was part of the requirement. Emulate Twain

jcolebrand

oookay

Moshe

The first 2.5 pages was supposed to be like that, the second half was supposed to explain it.

reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-20113609-233/…

Fosco

Threw a big party at my house on the launch date... realized the next day it was also the 1 yr anniversary of closing on my house.

jcolebrand

"(TODO: cite loho website, e"

Moshe

4:39 AM

good catch

thanks

forgot to search for those TODO:

Fosco

Am I

doing this

right?

Moshe

@Fosco Yes

you

are

sir.

@jcolebrand Actually, considering that I can't find any good citations on their site, I'm considering just skipping that.

Watching this video on cnet - hilarious!

@pekka - It's in German, an Asian fellow speaking. Interesting.

reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-20113609-233/…

@jcolebrand - Any other glaring errors?

jcolebrand

not finished yet, got distracted

Trufa

4:54 AM

@Moshe Thank you!! :) I'll check your apps later (I can't without itunes I think)

@jcolebrand getting something evaluated by you would make me nervous :)

jcolebrand

lol

I'm just a guy

Moshe

@Trufa Sure. You can try apps.mosheberman.com. Click on the titles for more. If it only works in iTunes, you'll know, but that's a starting point.

jcolebrand

@Moshe I think the period is wrong here ("Lower Manhattan Expressway (I-78 and I-478, unbuilt)." New York Area Roads, Crossings and Exits.)

Trufa

@Moshe cool! :)

jcolebrand

Needless to say, the highway never happened <-- why is it needless to say?

repeat the assignment to me?

Moshe

4:57 AM

@jcolebrand Judging by the fact that I walked where that highway should have been for about a decade?

@jcolebrand hang on

jcolebrand

@Moshe you don't connect those two thoughts for that sentence.

Moshe

@jcolebrand Fair point.

jcolebrand

either connect them, or change the needless to say into "since I've walked past this ... we can see that it never got ..."

Moshe

@jcolebrand Relevant Texts:

Mark Twain - Two Ways of Seeing a River

Ernest Hemmingway - Big Two Hearted River

Choose an object, place, or activity with which you are very familiar - a favorite necklace, a park near your home, skateboarding etc. It's up to you, just choose something you know a lot about. Consider yourself an absolute expert on the whatever object, place, or activity you chose.

You may not be an expert on avocados, but you're an expert on your experience of eating a particular avocado at a particular time in a particular place.

Using simple sentences, (revisit Hemmingway to get an idea of what I'm talking about.) write a descriptive, 5-page essay on whatever object, place or activity you've chosen.

Spend half of your essay (~2.5 pages) describing your essay in the manner of Twains initial poetic response to the river.

Spend the last half describing your topic in the manner of Twain's second, utilitarian response to the river.

The second portion may require some background research

jcolebrand

ok, so the first and second aren't to cover the same ground, ok.

I haven't read those essays in years, and not really looking to right now, so I'm going to assume that you've used his two styles

Fosco

5:03 AM

once again, something that could've been brought to my attention YESTERDAY!

Moshe

(i.e. if you describe in the first section the beautiful, brown striations on an avocado that's been cut and left out for a few hours, you might want to look into what causes those striations or what they might indicate.)

Fosco

j/k

Moshe

If you do consult secondary sources... cite.... etc.

jcolebrand

since the description is utilitarian, I presume that doesn't necessarily mean objective

Moshe

That's about it.

@jcolebrand No, not at all. Twain seems to "take sides" too, as it were.

@Fosco heh, what specifically?

Fosco

5:07 AM

nothing, it's just a movie quote.

Moshe

Oh, my mistake. Which one?

Fosco

from wedding singer

Moshe

/me needs to look that up now.

jcolebrand

It's in a lot of stuff

Moshe

Oh, someone needs to go up boat the answer which is clearly the best one on this question. :-D

Apparently my answer isn't awesome enough. :-P

Or - that's what I get for begging upvotes.

jcolebrand

5:13 AM

Usually it's "that's what I get for begging for upvotes" :p

Moshe

A client wants help exporting data from a desktop app to the iOS version I'm writing. IIRC we agreed that I am not responsible for that part. I just need to write the importer from CSV.

/me needs to reread the agreement.

Ah, well, a polite phone convo never hurt anyone. (I don't think.)

Ok, @jcolebrand - I'll nag you for more feedback tomorrow, I need to sleep now.

And, yes, you now know almost exactly where I live. Joy.

jcolebrand

5:28 AM

yah, I need sleep now too

Trufa

6:04 AM

@Moshe are you familiar with c# and forms?

Or anybody else here for that matter :)

Tim Stone

Hmm?

Trufa

@TimStone I'm making a calculator, copycat of the windows calculator, what I can't really figure out is how to make the numbers of the display behave like they do on the win calculator

"growing" to the left

Tim Stone

Hm, I'm not sure I follow.

George Marian

@TimStone He's referring to the number display filling in from the right, just like on a traditional calculator.

Trufa

@TimStone ok, in the display of the calculator, when you keep pressing numbers or operators, the distance to the right remains the same, while the distance to the left gets smaller

Tim Stone

6:13 AM

Ahh

Trufa

@GeorgeMarian Exactly that, thank you!

George Marian

heh

Your second explanation is more confusing than the first. :)

Trufa

@GeorgeMarian hehehe

@GeorgeMarian In all fairness, I was 30 seconds more tired :)

George Marian

lol

Tim Stone

Anyway, just set the width of the control you're displaying the number in to be wide enough to show the number as its entered, and then set the TextAlign property to align right.

Depending on what kind of control you're using, you might have to disable the auto-sizing first to make that work, if I recall correctly.

Well, that, or anchor the control at the right-center point.

Trufa

6:19 AM

@TimStone I can't modify the size directly of a label (or I don't know how), I don't have the thingies on the side that let you modify the size

@TimStone I'll try that

Tim Stone

@Trufa If you set AutoSize to false in the properties inspector you should be able to.

Trufa

@TimStone awesome, now let's try that

@TimStone ohh you had already said that :)

Tim Stone

Heheh :P

@GeorgeMarian, any luck on figuring out what drugs WordPress was on?

George Marian

@TimStone Heh. Not yet. I got sidetracked.

Trufa

@TimStone freaking awesome! thank you very much!!!!

Tim Stone

6:24 AM

No problem :)

George Marian

@TimStone Apparently, it's due to a proxy or cluster configuration: grantburton.com/tag/http_x_cluster_client_ip

Trufa

@TimStone can I ask you another question=

When you add an error in your program you are asked if you want to execute the last version that compiled

I, rather that executing it, would like to go back to it

is this possible?

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Ah, yeah

Hm, I'd imagine not. You could always Ctrl + Z a lot, I suppose, or if you had been using version control there's that route.

George Marian

It works just fine over SSL though. lol

Tim Stone

I don't know for certain, but I imagine that it's simply running the executable it couldn't replace due to compilation errors, and doesn't actually have the source code "as-is" from before.

Trufa

6:36 AM

@TimStone hmm I had considered that

damn

I really screwed up something

thanks

Tim Stone

Ah, that sucks :( Aye

Trufa

damn damn damn

I broke

everyhting :(

Tim Stone

"Error: Incorrect syntax near ''."

You'd think that databases could have slightly more descriptive errors..

Trufa

@TimStone Do you know what those simbols mean?

Tim Stone

Hm, no idea, sorry. :/

Trufa

6:44 AM

@TimStone no problem, with enough undo's I reached to a point where I'm satisfied

thank go

Thanks again!!

Tim Stone

nods

Moshe

12:49 PM

Hi

Trufa

6:16 PM

Hi guys!

Would you help me out, I have finished my homework calculator, could you play with it a little bit

just the interface

minus.com/mnBhHT4Ry

if you are up to it, please just play around with the buttons and such

Moshe

@Trufa Not on windows atm, would otherwise.

Trufa

@Moshe no prob! thanks anyways!!

Moshe

7:22 PM

I just got an email from someone who wants me to join their <insert a bunch of buzzwords here> company. Something about engaging and customization and personal and music discovery.

Really, I'm not convinced.

user153011

7:56 PM

Hi!

Moshe

8:13 PM

Hi

Moshe

8:35 PM

self.finishHomework();

self.tellAllEmailersThatIDontHaveTimeForTheirProjects();

self.runAndHide();

Tim Stone

11:16 PM

Hmmm..

Ohhhh, the hell?

@TimStone Apparently there's a stray invisible character at the end of the query..

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