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05:48
Who cares about the CoC?
>>explainlink curved penis
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack ˆ
06:37
@AndreasdetestsAIhype followers of the Coc. Weird cult.
@RocketNikita yeah, well, gotta explain those things. :D
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack :D
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack how is CoC pronounced? Now we'll know if you're violating it or not
07:02
@M.A.R. can't send voice messages here :(
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack nice excuse. Use IPA
@M.A.R. Israeli Poo Association?
impatiently taps fingers
Coc is like sock
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack sos
07:10
@RocketNikita morse (?)
@RocketNikita nah, not curved enough.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack >:O
07:33
@RocketNikita your fault. Not enough usage.
08:07
>>feed curved pizza
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Command not found. Did you mean: define?
!!vomit on @PeterKolosov new TV
oh no
Kenny died
@KennyBOT your last message.... R.I.P my good bot.
Sadly rene is gone, so... no more Kenny.
@Wolgwang How’s it going today? :)
@Wolgwang what did you do yesterday? Still on vacation?
 
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09:56
>>rmspaces {{shuffle e p i s n}}
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Command not found.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack eipns
Russian Rolette! :P
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack nepis
Good enough.
going back to work
10:55
~ Shaman
~ Stars get removed under peer-pressure?
~ One cupcake on its way for @RocketNikita ....
~ Have your raw milk
 
2 hours later…
12:52
~ Where is everybody!?!
~ Milking @RocketNikita the cow
~ BLLLEEEAAAAEERRRGGGGGJHHHHHH @ShadowWizard's milk, @Andreas hat !!!!!
@ShadowWizard Does @FOX9000 have antifreeze?
Or do we need to summon the great bot master, @rene to ressurect poor @Kenny?
13:13
@RocketNikita hey I need that milk! It was meant as a surprise for @Zoe
:D
@RocketNikita rene won't come, he took time off from SE as whole, for unknown amount of time.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack :'(
@RocketNikita no, but unless there will be war or something equivalent, I'll keep the Den warm and cozy as long as I'm aroud. :o)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack because of the strike?
@RocketNikita correct
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack proven (?)
13:15
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I have a bot account, but I have nowere to host the code
Well I do miss Kenny, now all the pee and poo fall on my shoulders. :D
Replit was a good option, but it is now a monetized piece of s***
@RocketNikita there's glitch.me where rene is hosting Kenny but not sure how it really works.
Maybe it's just the code... or not maybe. Yeah, rene run Kenny from his own PC.
I have access to an RPI but I can't run it 24/7
meh, no big deal.
Bots come and go, what matters more is the people. :D
13:27
Yeah
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I don't drink milk :p
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack If you have needed that milk, you should have not fed it to me
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack what do you mean by war D:
13:49
@ZoestandswithUkraine pity
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack distressed (?)
No associated word found for Wolgwang.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack not really
@RocketNikita I didn't! It was kept safely in a safe.
13:54
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack @Kenny's soul possessed me and made me steal your milk! >:)
The 2006 Lebanon War, also called the 2006 Israel–Hezbollah War and known in Lebanon as the July War (Arabic: حرب تموز, Ḥarb Tammūz) and in Israel as the Second Lebanon War (Hebrew: מלחמת לבנון השנייה, Milhemet Levanon HaShniya), was a 34-day military conflict in Lebanon, northern Israel and the Golan Heights. The principal parties were Hezbollah paramilitary forces and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). The conflict started on 12 July 2006, and continued until a United Nations-brokered ceasefire went into effect in the morning on 14 August 2006, though it formally ended on 8 September 2006 when...
I was there, so couldn't really use internet.
14:13
@ZoestandswithUkraine but... milk is healthy...
@RocketNikita how were you able to break into my safe?
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I know, and I still use it in stuff. I just don't like drinking it
@ZoestandswithUkraine ohh!
OMG
@Rocket that milk you stole? It's quite old...
Jul 30, 2017 at 8:11, by Shadow Wizard
!!feed milk
Enjoy your 6 years old milk! :D
14:44
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack
@ZoestandswithUkraine Excuse me?
@AndreasdetestsAIhype You heard me
Well
read it, but same thing in this context :p
There is something seriously wrong with @Zoe, everybody.
She has a distinct lack of good taste!
Have some milk, young lady!
You do know that drinking milk is a particularly western thing, right?
> While most infants can digest lactose, many people begin to develop lactose malabsorption—a reduced ability to digest lactose—after infancy. Experts estimate that about 68 percent of the world's population has lactose malabsorption.
You are Western.
Have a slurp from the 1.5L bottle of whole milk in my fridge!
Well, actually no.
14:50
Don’t drink straight from the bottle.
Yes, that’s ew.
I’ll fill a glass for you.
I have a 1.75l bottle in my fridge
Of milk?
Oh, right; it’s 1.75L.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype No, of lava
Yes, milk :P
@ZoestandswithUkraine Wonderful. You can duplicate that with some dripstone and a cauldron.
@ZoestandswithUkraine mhmhmhmhm, yum.
I haven't drunk milk intentionally since I was... 7?
and haven't drunk it consistently since kindergarten
15:00
;( That’s gotta be the cause of everything that’s wrong with you!
Such as your short height!
And, and, your distant dialect!
Well, as long as it’s not Eastern Norwegian. You don’t speak that, do you, @Zoe?
ew, no. North :p
@AndreasdetestsAIhype nah, no need. Yet. If I'll go away I'll ask @trip to put the bot here.
@ZoestandswithUkraine Middle
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack elementary (?)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack deduce (?)
15:08
@ZoestandswithUkraine So you still have some value. Phu.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack You just need to open a pull request on GitHub.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype first have to find my account there, or create a new one. :D
@AndreasdetestsAIhype ?!
@RocketNikita Water self-duplicates, though.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype !!?
15:16
@RocketNikita And if you combine lava and water, you can generate stone, cobblestone and obsidian.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype wtf
@RocketNikita as-much (?)
No associated word found for wth.
stealing brown shorts from @Andreas and making them even more brown
15:22
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Stone cannot be created by mixing water and lava, learn to read terraria.fandom.com/wiki/Terraria_Wiki
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack You can keep them now. :)
@RocketNikita Yeah, it can. You can semi-automate it with a piston and a low-tick, infinite clock.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype yay! I'll cherish them and keep them always brown!
@AndreasdetestsAIhype wtf actuator duplication was patched in 1.3.5
@RocketNikita Oh, nice. I really like this tree. I'm gonna build it. :)
15:28
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I'm moving into a new apartment in 2 weeks, and I'm thinking of painting the walls beige, light gray, and dark red, with some lines of bleak green on the beige walls, and a black kitchen.
@RocketNikita Not entirely sure of that. The water does move in certain unforeseen ways.
15:51
@RocketNikita No, only Google.
!!feed RETURN BACK
@rene >:C
poor @Kenny died
@rene too
;(
I'll continue it maybe.
15:58
No reason to invest resources into it until the stike is over, unless you enjoy working on it.
Who knows; maybe we'll have to build a chat over at Codidact.
Hopefully similar to the one on SE. It's a quite primitive chat here, but I still like it a lot. Especially being able to move messages.
But some stuff could be improved, such as the mobile chat...
Your app is securely listening on port 33515
simplebrowser request err: Error: connect ECONNREFUSED 127.0.0.1:443
at TCPConnectWrap.afterConnect [as oncomplete] (net.js:1138:16) {
errno: 'ECONNREFUSED',
code: 'ECONNREFUSED',
syscall: 'connect',
address: '127.0.0.1',
port: 443
}
(node:5916) UnhandledPromiseRejectionWarning: Error: connect ECONNREFUSED 127.0.0.1:443
at TCPConnectWrap.afterConnect [as oncomplete] (net.js:1138:16)
(node:5916) UnhandledPromiseRejectionWarning: Unhandled promise rejection. This error originated either by throwing inside of an async function without a catch block,
And pasting images...
how to fix it
Guess idea then.
16:01
@AndreasdetestsAIhype oh yes, that thing exists...
@PeterKolosov But I'm not ChatGPT.
16:24
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Andreas Squarepants
16:49
@AndreasdetestsAIhype that's, umm... nice! ;)
What color will be the toilets?
@RocketNikita well out of depression, his Father is retired from SE.
I don't think rene will be back, as SE won't budge and things will only get worse.
I'll also head out sooner or later, can't be part of such evil place for too long.
Will make FOX the only RO and let him manage the Den. :D
@PeterKolosov continue what?
@PeterKolosov you need something to listen in the local address (127.0.0.1) in port 443 which is the secure port.
 
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18:29
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Have a codidact account?
 
1 hour later…
19:34
@RocketNikita I think so, I joined in the early days but there was nothing to keep me in there. I can't make myself stick in a site with rate of one question every few days, and those already there can handle the few questions just fine, so feeling kind of "not very needed". Best bet for me would be if they'll have a meta site like here, there I might stay and actually do something.
hmm... or not. Tried now, site changed a lot, either I just visited it without account back then, or they wiped the early users when making changes at some point. Either way, if I'll decide to move there, I'll just create a new account. :)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I've created an account and was dissapointed, THERE IS NO CHAT!
19:53
@RocketNikita but they have cookies!
in Tavern on the Meta, Jun 2 at 12:52, by Lundin
Come to Codidact, we have cookies (cookie pop-ups?).
Since they're heavily using Discord, they don't need web based chat of their own.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack They have nothing to actually do though
@ZoestandswithUkraine what do you mean?
Can't make it bigger?
It did grow a lot since the early days, but to reach the critical mass.... still a very long way.
There are next to no questions or answers being posted. I don't have a whole lot of questions lying around to contribute with, and without a steady flow of questions and answers, no moderation or answering either. Making canonicals is risky because they could always decide to import more content and make the canonicals irrelevant
They need to make it viral. Explode on the social media channels, Twitter, Insta, everything. Media is the way.
Now with the strike there's a chance, though slim. If they can convince important people and/or media channels that SE is really doing bad things, and show Codidact as the alternative.
One tweet from someone with millions of followers.... and it's jackpot.
@ZoestandswithUkraine well, yes, SO started by importing existing stash of Q&A along with their authors, big enough to reach the critical mass where the site can sustain itself and have actual community. But they didn't have social media in the levels we have today.
20:11
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yeah, but there's also no one else making canonicals. At least not actively
20:56
I made an account and strongly considered becoming active, but aside feeding with a steady stream of canonicals, there isn't anything to do. That's also the major obstacle for them atm, but there's not much I can do to help
21:26
I'll move to Codidact if there's no resolution to the strike on SE, and we collectively decide to move there. Oh, I also need a chat on Codidact which is similar to the one on SE. The chat is kind of what keeps me here... Not that I'm much active with questions and answers, though. I kinda prefer to do curation/moderation...
@ZoestandswithUkraine What do my squarepants look like?
@AndreasdetestsAIhype There's nothing to moderate either
No content and minimal userbase means no content, which means little to moderate
If SE goes to shit, I'm probably gonna pick up Wikipedia again
Or spend the time on my many projects
Starting with the dashboard and the game I'm working on
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yes, I'm aware. :)
@ZoestandswithUkraine How will you do that with no Stack Overflow to find answers on? You'll just have to read ChatGPT masked as human content.
Preferably, you go shut down this fucking sun.
I fucking hate how hot it is.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype I do a thing called "reading the documentation"
@ZoestandswithUkraine Congrats. OpenGL or Vulkan, was it?
OpenGL. I'll need to get paid to use Vulkan
docs.gl is pretty solid. For everything else, there's plenty of reference implementations
Also, if SO falls and goes offline, other communities are going to appear fast
21:38
@ZoestandswithUkraine I saw they have meta, I'll head over there soon with concrete suggestions how to try and bring more users.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack There's a featured question on the meta asking for ideas too
@AndreasdetestsAIhype with two holes, in front and in the back. ;)
@ZoestandswithUkraine I know. Lurked a bit in there. ;)
@ZoestandswithUkraine so your fuel is the moderation part?
@ZoestandswithUkraine It's also a solid factor that I do not have the energy to do extended community building. If SO falls, the community is going to spread widely enough that all communities to come from it will be new communities, and it means starting over. That's an absurdly large time and energy investment
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack For the most part. I'm also happy to answer stuff, but finding stuff worth answering has become incredibly hard for several reasons
@ZoestandswithUkraine that is true.
Aside the technologies I'm using becoming popular and therefore seeing the inevitable crash in question quality (particularly Kotlin, which was invaded by Android, and question quality tanked after t hat), most of the questions of interest are either ninja'd before I have a chance to answer, or are outside my area of expertise, or too complex, etc.
21:42
@ZoestandswithUkraine I prefer Vulkan. :)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I have an idea! Introduce AI to SE, and aleniate all the users!
@ZoestandswithUkraine No, really?
Also, perks of being a moderator: I wrote an answer in the past year that got revenge downvoted. I deleted it at -3+1. For similar reasons, I have an alternate account for asking questions without those questions being tanked by revenge downvotes. It currently has one self-answered question, because I almost never need to ask
@AndreasdetestsAIhype yes!!!
But you're so good at making friends; how could you possibly receive revenge downvotes?
@AndreasdetestsAIhype it's like sushi: you either really like her, or really hate her. :D
But yeah, spending time on answering when the end result is it being downvoted into oblivion because revenge votes, that isn't particularly motivating
SE never expanding into handling revenge votes unless it's at a scale lets that continue to be a problem. I imagine codidact hasn't accounted for it either, largely because it's still tiny, and it's a difficult problem
21:49
@ZoestandswithUkraine no doubt downside of being a mod plus active user, and legit reason for a sock.
@ZoestandswithUkraine actually Geek said in Tavern that he does escalate revenge votes flags to staff. But dunno what staff doing with that.
(I mean even in small scale)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yeah. I had an answering sock lying around as well, but I just kept finding off-topic content, reopening the tab in my main container, so it ended up being a roundabout way of moderating new content
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I kinda prefer brown and black socks.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I'm going to DM you something
@ZoestandswithUkraine lol!
@AndreasdetestsAIhype you really like brown! ;)
@ZoestandswithUkraine not near the phone, will check soon. Hope it's good! :P
Just making the 1am coffee.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Yes! Light brown, dark brown, shiny bronze, the greens of the nature, especially trees, the blue sea and the sky, the gray rocks, and, and, red!
21:54
@Andreas the coffee is brown, even though called "black coffee". ;)
@ZoestandswithUkraine Damn, excluding me, huh.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype oh no. You got the Coloradus virus.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype well at least she didn't block you anywhere.... ;)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I'm too awesome to be blocked.
mumble starball mumble
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Wanna bet?
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Yes
@ZoestandswithUkraine nod (?)
@FOX9000 fart (nod is slang for that in Hebrew)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack taboo (?)
21:56
No associated word found for cp.
Good.
And time to go. Cya!
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack The TL;DR: is that vote reversals at a small scale basically doesn't happen. It isn't considered suspicious, or there isn't enough evidence for staff to support the reversal
Or not really as much support as defend
@ZoestandswithUkraine :(
>>continue cp mv
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yes.
21:57
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack mv (?)
@ZoestandswithUkraine 2 arguments expected, 3 given
@ZoestandswithUkraine I'm FOX 9000, ProgramFOX's chatbot. You can find the source code on GitHub. You can get a list of all commands by running >>listcommands, or you can run >>help command to learn more about a specific command.
21:58
>>listcommands
Commands:
alive, utc, listcommands, help, cat, exec, read, getcurrentusers, ping, rmspaces, flip, doubleflip, xkcdrandomnumber, xkcd, random, randomint, randomchoice, shuffle, *stop, *disable, *enable, *suspend, *unsuspend, *ban, *unban, +delete, *pull, yes, no, *module, define, time, showtime, link, islink, removelink, addlinkexplanation, explainlink, removelinkexplanation, showlatest10, latestword, rmword, reply, retry, continue, *gameban, *gameunban, joingame, quitgame
@ZoestandswithUkraine well yes, that's why I don't understand why Geek escalate it.
@ZoestandswithUkraine Explanation added.
@ZoestandswithUkraine ohhhhh
21:59
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack ahhhhh (?)
eyes opening
Funny someone else also associated cp with the command. lol
But someone who appear to really not know what it means.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Awesome people don't block awesome people.
(in Tavern, during the troll attack.)
@AndreasdetestsAIhype he's a ball. Can't be awesome, just round. And round. And round.....
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Some times, there's other patterns in play that can justify an invalidation
But if you get just a couple downvotes, there's often nothing that can be done
And unfortunately, a lot of people have picked up on this limitation
The overwhelming majority of revenge downvotes I get are right under the detection limits, or just single votes
@ZoestandswithUkraine you have smart opponents.
22:02
No, she doesn't.
A smart opponent would understand why she did the moderation, and accept it.
Then they'd learn from it, and otherwise move on with life.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Meh, most of the limits are common knowledge at this point
Giving revenge downvotes... is just... an admission of guilt.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype No, it's usually just an "I'll show you", and nothing else
And it's a problem SE doesn't seem interested in dealing with
On another topic: I've been trying to find a movie to watch for half an hour now.
But as long as I moderate, someone else doesn't have to do as much, and can spend more time on answering instead. In the grand scheme of things, it still works out
I've also shifted parts of my use of SO over to my own website. I have a TIL section where I add some stuff:tm: that I guess might have applications for other people. I don't really use it as much as I really wish though
But /shrug. We might be at a shift in how programming info is shared anyway, but I don't need to be involved in the shift. Being an early adopter has far more commitment required to make stuff work
22:24
Someone does have to do it, but it isn't going to be me
22:35
SE wants it to be you.
23:27
@AndreasdetestsAIhype no, SE just wants the community out of the way
And I have my resignation drafted if stuff keeps getting worse
And a strongly worded email to accompany it

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