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@AnnofProgrammingGables well what happens is that when it tries to post exact same message again, after short while from previous, the chat itself won't let it and cause an error when sending; FOX thinks something went wrong so it tries different method, of direct pinging instead of replying.

hmm tried it now and no error, but message also won't post, as expected. Anyway, that's the reason for the weird behavior.

~ Can't we be a bit moar talkative?

@KennyBOT Dude. Just turn on any random news channel right now. No need for the rest of us to talk :P

@Tinkeringbell boring. Missiles. War. meh

:D

But really, Ukraine should just surrender, will save time and victims. It's not like they have even a tiny chance.

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Heh. Maybe you're used to it, for me this is new and unsettling :P

It'll take me a while to get used to this and think of it as boring and just another flaw of humanity ;)

If they would have gotten real help from Europe/USA it would be different of course, but they don't.

Never say never... took 5 years of occupation here before the US came over to liberate things ;-)

It's like an ant that fight the human coming to crunch it.

@Tinkeringbell boring because it's same text/pictures on all channels.

As news, it's not boring. :)

@Tinkeringbell different era.... USA of today won't do a thing to "liberate" the new USSR countries.

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Ah. I'm not watching any news, though I'm listening to things. I must admit things seem to be slowing down on the war/missile news, as they're now doing quite the bit on gas prices XD

lol

Yeah, same here, fuel is going to cost $2 for a liter.

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron I dunno. They're part of NATO, aren't they? They already started article 4 apparently, and article 5 would be next then. They say at that point, every country that's a member of NATO is sworn to do something... or something like it these things are complicated.

NATO is a joke.

Well they can do operations and fight small armies, but against Russia??

Let's be realistic.

I don't think they're capable of occupying all of Russia (countless others have tried and failed :P). But whacking them back out of Ukraine? I think they might have a chance.

USA and Europe will just keep imposing silly "bans" over Russia, and there it ends.

A bit like how they managed to sweep most of Afghanistan clear of Taliban. Of course then you can never really leave or they'll just pop up again...

@Tinkeringbell not when they know it means missile attacks on their home towns.

Putin is insane, he'll do it.

Honestly I don't know. There was this one doomsayer saying Putin might bomb Volkel (a Dutch air force base rumored to house nukes or other big missiles).

@Tinkeringbell where is this Volkel located?

I do get a feeling they will do more than just bans though.

@Tinkeringbell no way.

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron In the Netherlands, so with a big enough bomb it's not hard to miss :P

Not with the spineless leaders they have...

@Tinkeringbell oh lol. Well, in case of direct military attack against Russia, this can happen.

You can't onebox SVG

Oh well... commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Netherlands_location_map.svg < That's a link to the map XD

Showing where Volkel is.

@Tinkeringbell nope, it's only a map of Netherlands.

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron ... nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vliegbasis_Volkel < It's on that page, it shows a little plane :P

That's what I see:

Yeah now that you mentioned it... that's weird though.

@Tinkeringbell not really, the plane is added with JS :)

Hahaha

Thanks though! :D

Well I don't check that much. If I use an image from wikipedia/wikimedia I'd expect it to be correct :P

@Tinkeringbell Taliban isn't a super nation with over 1000 nukes.... :P

@Tinkeringbell well you can just take screenshot, Windows should have some tool for that. ;)

This way you ensure others see what you see.

(unless of course it's simple image ;))

Oh yeah, that too...

Glad to be of help. :D

I know the tool, I use it a lot. But really, I expect I can copy/paste images or links to images from something like Wikipedia and just have them work ;-)

@Tinkeringbell well not when it's complex thing like map with location pinned on it after page load. ;)

Yeah I get it. I should blame the wikipedia editors for not including a proper image but doing some weird stuff like that. What's the point of doing it this way anyways? It's not like an air force base changes locations every few hours so it's easier to have some script than a static image :P

Off to buy lunch, think today I'll go for Shakshuka. :D

Enjoy! I think mine will be bread with A LOT of chocolate paste :P

Ooof have they started the war?

Apparently

But politicians here and the news are still talking about talking, not warring.

@Tinkeringbell that's not lunch! :D

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Bread with something on it is a very Dutch lunch ;)

@Wolgwang yep, for real now. No more false cries.

@Tinkeringbell sure, but need something with nutrients, not only sugar.... :D

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron That's the bread :P

Cheese... eggs... etc..

Whole grain :)

lol

Shakshuka is essentially eggs with LOTS of spices.

And tomatoes.

Don't bother, I googled... it had tomatoes :P

hahaha

They made it less spicy than I'm used to, but was still fine. ;)

Worth the 18NIS

(about $5)

My lunch was cheaper :P

@Tinkeringbell well, no eggs

I guess mine was about 20 cents :P

lol

excluding the yoghurt drink. That stuff has become ridiculously expensive.

I think the yoghurt drink would add another 30 cents to the total.

Probably more like 50 though, as I put it in big cups, not the regular 200ml serving sizes they recommend XD

@Tinkeringbell umm 30 cents for yoghurt is insanely cheap compared to here. We have yoghurt for $1, that's the cheapest and tastes like, well, not yoghurt. lol

not yoghurt... yoghurt drink :P

Something decent cost $1.5 at least.

I think a single 1l carton has gone up in price from a little below a euro to 1,5 now.

@Tinkeringbell hmm not sure what it is, let me check....

This?

Someting like it, probably yeah.

We don't have it here, sadly. But it would surely cost at least twice the price it cost at your place. ;)

plus.nl/product/optimel-drink-framboos-0-vet-pak-1-liter-169910

On sale this week, yay! Too bad it's not a thing you can store for very long without it spoiling.

The companies claims the prices are higher due to having to make it Kosher and bring it across oceans, but it's clear such things can't possibly double the price. They just being greedy, because they can.

It's not limited to things that come from outside the country, local foods also cost way too much.

Sometimes protesting works, but usually it doesn't work.

Yeah, you mentioned that before. To be honest, that sounds like any kind of company. Over here, the excuse is that cost of production has increased. But at the same time all those companies are making record profits (not just revenue, profits!) that are about the same percentages higher as their price increases XD

@Tinkeringbell exactly. And yet, your prices are much lower, so they still have lots to increase. ;)

"Yay"?

Yeah, I think? :D

Just keep in mind if you come to Israel, be prepared to see many products you know, just with much higher price tag. :)

I'll stay here, forever :P

(not taking into account scammers, like taxi drivers, who take more from tourists)

taxis are seriously expensive. But in the end that kinda makes sense because you have to pay for the car/gas AND the driver's time.

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron I think I will be seeing the war between two countries for the first time. :-(

@Tinkeringbell yeah, but talking about same ride exactly, which e.g. cost $20 for Israeli passenger, and $50 for a tourist.

Which is ugly scam, and it's too common.

Yep. But that's not exclusive to Israel, so in that sense the country is no worse than others ;-)

@Wolgwang well that's not classic war, but yeah... there's always a first time, for anything. :)

@Tinkeringbell I hope so, lol. Don't think I was scammed when I was in Europe/USA but on second thought, can't really know! :D

Though I was alone only one time, weekend to Varna, in Bulgaria.

I had one taxi driver whom I met in the hotel, he drove me around during the whole time, so no idea if he charged me more than he should have.

I think it's also something they warn you about when you go to South America, India, Africa... basically anything not Europe or the North American continent. Dunno about Australia though :P

It seemed fair, but prices there are much lower anyway, so...

@Tinkeringbell yeah, this and pickpockets warnings.

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Oh, pickpockets warnings are everywhere tourists go here too. Trains around Amsterdam/Schiphol, Schiphol airport itself.

I think even in Amsterdam city there are always a few signs warning for pickpockets.

Huh, that's just part of life, the risk to have your pocket picked.... ;(

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Oh, I see :D

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@Sha You didn't tell me about participating elections. I can't do anything except wishing you luck :-)

@Wolgwang why should I have told you? ;)

Actually, wanted to make a surprise to Tink and Journeyman, but someone found out anyway, so no surprise anymore. cries

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron If you want to make it a surprise, you need to pick a site where I'm not eligble to vote :P

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