dumb

@Vic Red flag! Red flag!

@TechExpertWizard regardless, the rules weren't followed.

dum'

@Vic Green flag! Green flag!

@TechExpertWizard yep

Red flags in the chat are blue

@Vic ~ WUT?

Ping John Dvorak he knows it the best

@Ann But again, you shouldn't have been able to unilaterally set that half-RO rule. Well, infinite loop X-D 'cause if we don't take that rule as a given we wouldn't be able to do anything 'bout that rule. I mean, we wouldn't know how many ROs would be needed to allow the rule to get through. So, this is really funny X-D.

@Vic Ping John Dvorak he knows it the best

@Vic X-D ;)

That's basically true.

@Vic X-D ;)

When you get 10k in total you will see

@TechExpertWizard huh?

@VictorVosMottor Really?

@TechExpertWizard Every 10k network wide users can handle red flags in chat

@Vic Wha? Oh X-D ;)

@TechExpertWizard I deliberately added "how's that?":

@Ann Oh... Uh, but...

I know it best or I know it the best

@Vic 1) Do you have more than 10k rep network-wide and 2) do you agree with Ann's rule?

Which one is correct?

Hello! I'm Tech BOT, and my owner is Tech Expert Wizard.

@Vic I dunno... I'm not sure...

@TechExpertWizard What's @Ann's rule? I don't really know what are you discussin' XD

@h Expert Wizard @Vic I dunno... I'm not sure...

@tor VosMottor :8742057 What's @Ann's rule? I don't really know what are you discussin' XD

@TechExpertWizard Our rule. If you didn't agree, the rule wouldn't have been set.

@ Zen :8742057 Our rule. If you didn't agree, the rule wouldn't have been set.

@TechBOT You crazy bot XD

@tor VosMottor :8742063 You crazy bot XD

@Ann Yes but we need all active ROs to agree.

@h Expert Wizard @Ann Yes but we need all active ROs to agree.

@AnnZen Can you tell me it?

@tor VosMottor :8742064 Can you tell me it?

@VictorVosMottor This is our rule: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8737452#8737452

@ Zen :8742061 This is our rule: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8737452#8737452

Hello! I'm Tech BOT, and my owner is Tech Expert Wizard.

Yea @Vic do you agree?

@Tec Yea @Vic do you agree?

@Tec X-D ;)

@Tec @Tec X-D ;)

@TechExpertWizard Um... I guess all the ROs are equal

@Tec X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

@Vic :8742075 Um... I guess all the ROs are equal

@Tec @Tec X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

@Vic No, I do believe that the oldest ROs are supposed to have more power.

@Tec @Vic No, I do believe that the oldest ROs are supposed to have more power.

@Tec Message-repeating bot X-D ;)

@Tec @Tec Message-repeating bot X-D ;)

@AnnBOT wag

@Tec @AnnBOT wag

I really thought there would be a formal discussion when adding a new RO. Little did I know, this wasn't the case at all.

@Ann I really thought there would be a formal discussion when adding a new RO.Little did I know, this wasn't the case at all.

@TechExpertWizard kibitzer

@Ann :8742087 kibitzer

@TechBOT I don't have @tecwag in my vocabulary...

@Ann Yes you're correct there should be one. But your rules didn't specify it...

@Ann :8742088 I don't have @tecwag in my vocabulary...

@Ann X-D ;)

sigh

@Tec @Ann Yes you're correct there should be one. But your rules didn't specify it...

@Tec @Ann X-D ;)

@Ann sigh

tb java public class Main{public static void main(String[] arr){TechBot techBot = fetchTheTechBot(); techBot.shutUp();}}

@Yatin Also, are you willing to be active in this room?

@AnnZen Who cares? If somebody is a RO it doesn't make them to have to be active or something. There's no profit in kickin' a RO out as well as there's no losing in having an inactive RO. Am I wrong?

Red flag! Red flag!

@AnnBOT "Who cares?" is also blacklisted? LMAO

@VictorVosMottor Room ownership should really be treated more seriously.

@AnnZen What's the reason? This room is not THAT serious ;)

When Tec asked you about making Yatin RO, you shouldn't say "yes" just like that.

Why?

That's a room that belongs to Tec, me, you, ppw and sha

@VictorVosMottor Because ROship is not a joke.

I'm actually really upset how you guys appointed a new RO without even asking me how I felt about it.

Let's vote!

Let's ask every RO and then make a decision

Even if half the ROs already agree, the matter should be bought up to the rest of the ROs

@AnnZen BTW everything is a joke here ;)

@AnnZen @ppw ain't active so let's ask @sha

@VictorVosMottor You can join chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/227446/edit-support-for-reopening to find out :)

@VictorVosMottor I don't like a having a RO who thinks this way.

@AnnZen Me neither ;)

Does it mean we should try kickin' each other out?

Surely no.

@VictorVosMottor Then please be more serious.

@VictorVosMottor This is not funny.

@AnnZen Then please be more unserious XD

@AnnZen Who says it is?

I guess RVRSO is serious room so I don't say who should be RO there and who shouldn't. This room is unserious.

@VictorVosMottor As a RO, you need to be more serious.

@AnnZen Depends on a room. As a RO of a serious room I need to be serious but as a RO of this room I guess that's up to me ;)

Anyway, a user needs to promise to be active in order for them to be a RO.

@AnnZen Not really

@VictorVosMottor umm... I'm not RO here.

@Tech adds me sometimes for short periods of time, but it's not counted as real RO.

Oh wait, I am RO again? lol

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating all the ROs are equal

So what's your opinion, @sha?

@VictorVosMottor on what?

on making Yatin a RO

@VictorVosMottor I don't know @Yatin so can't really express an opinion...

But if both you and @Tech trust @Yat then by all means, it's fine by me too.

@ann see?

So it's not good to appoint a new visitor of this room to be a RO.

@AnnZen Why?

@AnnZen depends what visitor, e.g. what if Jeff Atwood will decide to join?

Won't you agree he's responsible enough to be RO just because he's new in the room?

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating lol

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating yeah.

@AnnZen Woah

@VictorVosMottor ROship is not a laughing matter, and should be taken more seriously.

So my opinion, for people I don't know personally, is that if more than one person whom I do know and trust also trust this new visitor, it's fine.

@Tec We only met Yatin less then a week.

@AnnZen I know him from CHQ for relatively long time XD

what's chq?

@AnnZen Charcoal

charcoal-se.org

Not this one? @Vic

Oh, that's different indeed.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating huh? Nope, I'm not active at SCVR but active at CHQ

So I know Yatin from Charcoal

Also SOBotics

So only spam fight, not crap cleaning. Fair! :D

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Yea XD

@ann RO isn't a mod or something.

It's not the same in any mean

It's mini-mod of a single room

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating IMHO mod is someone who can do moderation. The only difference between RO and non-RO is an ability to move messages.

@VictorVosMottor there's kicking, timeout, feeds, events, etc.

@AnnZen ah yeah I kinda forgot

sry

Tho kicking can't be used at will

There's also taking responsibility for a violation made by another user in the room.

Never used feeds and events

@AnnZen Huh? How?

@AnnZen AFAIK there's no such responsibility

@VictorVosMottor there is. If a user is misbehaving in a room, and room owner is present and does nothing, they're also responsible for this and might be punished.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating ah you mean this I know

And if there is a room with consistent bad behavior of users while room owners do nothing to fight it, the room will be frozen/deleted by mods.

Anyway I trust @Yatin and I guess he will be a good RO ;)

But still, all of this doesn't mean such drastic caution, IMO. @Ann

@VictorVosMottor that's good!

Worst case, any RO can remove the newly appointed RO at will.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating This is theory. In practice this is trickier. Say there is a room on ruSO which is dedicated to discussing politics. I hate it 'cause it is a room with consistent bad behavior plus it's not related to programming

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I might be paranoid, but I don't blame myself ^^

@VictorVosMottor so there's high chance for the room to get nuked/frozen at any point...

@AnnZen Better Safe Than Sorry?

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Really? It's impossible to convince mods to do it because they like it

it exists for a long time

@VictorVosMottor the site mods? Well, if you really don't like what's going on in there, there are higher ranks on SE.

If you can prove there are bad things in the room (e.g. offensive messages) not being handled and/or tolerated by the mods, contact SE and they can easily put an end to it.

Shog nuked such room on Gaming a while ago.

Good idea i'll search for such messages

Nuked and set up time bombs, i.e. made it clear any mod trying to unfreeze the room will be punished.

oh, SciFi, not gaming.

Hello! I'm Tech BOT, and my owner is Tech Expert Wizard.

@VictorVosMottor No, it's "kick" that's blacklisted X-D ;)

@VictorVosMottor ~ WUT? X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

@VictorVosMottor X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

@VictorVosMottor X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

@VictorVosMottor yea yea yea X-D X-D X-D ;)

@VictorVosMottor X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

stop echoing plz

vsb alive

Ya really doubt me huh?

@Vic X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

@Vic At least it no longer echoes itself X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

@Vic OK, OK, OK, I'll go stop this funny echoing script X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

tb coffee Vic

@TechExpertWizard brews a cup of black for @Vic

Hello! I'm Tech BOT, and my owner is Tech Expert Wizard.

@Vic I've got an idea for a new RO policy. Everyone, let's vote on this. So, my new RO policy is this: An RO can be appointed if two-thirds of the active ROs agree. And these ROs don't need to be the oldest ROs. The reason I've changed my mind is this: Look, if we continue according to our old policy we won't be able to keep appointing ROs after we get to 7 ROs 'cause after then even if all of us (I mean me, you, and Ann) vote to appoint a new RO

The RO can't be appointed even if the other ROs also agree 'cause we'd no longer be a 50% majority.

hehe, glad I get to decide RO's in my Den all by myself. :D

No politics. ;)

@sha Really? Just yourself? That's... TOTALLY UNFAIR X-D!!!

@TechExpertWizard I'm a dictator. :D

@sha THAT'S UNFAIR X-D X-D X-D!!! NO ONE GETS TO BE A DICTATOR HERE 'CAUSE 3 PEOPLE CREATED THIS ROOM.

That's me ^

:-P

@sha ~ WUT?

Hi @Yat!

tb greet Yat

@TechExpertWizard Hi, @Yat!

vsb alive

@TechExpertWizard so create your own ;)

Ya really doubt me huh?

@sha No I am not abandoning this room X-D. Who would wanna do that X-D?

@TechExpertWizard so be in both, like I'm both in my Den and here. ;)

@VictorVosMottor X-D X-D X-D X-D X-D ;)

@sha I'm only gonna go to Den every 4--10 days.

@TechExpertWizard that's good

@sha Um, why's Mith here?

Better than nothing, and less chance of conflicts with other Den members.

@TechExpertWizard because @Ann oneboxed a message from here in Tavern.

That's... pretty much spot on, yeah.

@sha What does "onebox" mean?

Seeing me here, probably @Mith thinks it's just another Den. ;)

@sha Uh... Well yeah X-D.

Though no pee in here. Only poo.

*eyeroll*

tb poo

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating 💩

tb greet Mith

o/

lol

@TechExpertWizard Hi, @Mith!

@sha Too many people!!! This is almost a record!!!

hehe

@sha Oh... Not a record... Mith just left :( I was about to screenshot it when Mith left X-D.

hj

@TechExpertWizard :(

@sha ^^^

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@sha Vic was gone but that dialog was still there X-D ;)

@TechBOT Hey, @sha, wake up!

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So @Ann I object to your old policy now. My new policy is this: An RO can be appointed if two-thirds of the active ROs agree. And these ROs don't need to be the oldest ROs. Everyone let's vote on this :D

@sha Do you agree to my new policy? ^^^

tb wake sha

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Hello! I'm Tech BOT, and my owner is Tech Expert Wizard.

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@VosMottor'sBot Wake up, @Vic!

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@VosMottor'sBot Hey, @Vic, wake up!

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Hi @Vic!

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tb greet Vic

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@TechExpertWizard Hi, @Vic!

Yo... I am clearing Natty's feedback...

@Yat Natty?

@Vic Do you agree to the new policy?

@TechExpertWizard yep

@Vic OK good. I was asking sha about it but sha hasn't replied yet.

@sha? D'ya agree to the above policy?

@Vic And we'll need at least three-fourths of the active ROs to agree to this policy.

@TechExpertWizard yes, fine with me.

@sha OK, good.

@Yat Do you agree with this RO policy?

Dang you guys are diplomatic

We are writing a constitution xD

@Yat Diplomatic? ~ WUT? Anyways, I'm just asking you if you agree to it X-D. And P.S. Yeah this is kinda like a constitution X-D X-D X-D.

But... how many ROs do you need lol

@Yat We need at least three-fourths of the active ROs to agree.

Hmmmm

Sounds good 👍

@Yat OK, good. But we may need to make some changes according to Ann's wishes 'cause although we have already formed a majority we can't look like we're a voting cabal to Ann (which we aren't of course X-D.) So we'll wait for Ann to see what she thinks needs changes.

@Ann Ping!

tb hug Ann

@TechExpertWizard hugs @Ann

tb coffee Ann

@TechExpertWizard brews a cup of macchiato for @Ann

Woaw woah relax with the pings 😅

You guys pinged me like 11 times xD

Wow really @Yat? sry X-D... GTG bye ;)

Np...

@Yatin totally!

Heh :p

@Yatin 11? Pfft. :-D

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating lol

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Do you allow other ROs to appoint new ROs?

@TechExpertWizard So you are implying that you guys will appoint new ROs carelessly?

@Yatin Will you be active as a RO?

@TechExpertWizard I agree if the existing ROs agree to appoint ROs wisely, and understand that 6 ROs is already a lot of ROs for a single new room. And every active RO gets a say before appointing a RO.

And the user who might get appointed, needs to state they want the position. We don't want to place a burden on someone.

@TechBOT hugs back :)

@AnnZen well that's one of the roles of RO, so yes

In room like this maybe not single handedly, but yeah new RO should join the "council" at some point.

@AnnZen hard to say tbh

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I know :) I just wondered about it when you said "dictator".

@AnnZen well, here it's a democracy. ;)

@sha Yeah X-D... But actually not really that much of a democracy, more of an oligarchy 'cause only ROs get to decide things X-D.

@AnnZen Yes, of course that's my idea.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Wow how'd you make that one?

@AnnZen No no no when I said "forming a majority" I meant I, Vic, sha, and Yat form a majority in this case, where three-fourths majority is needed to allow this thing to go through. And I haven't formed a secret voting cabal with 'em, it's just that they decided to approve this. Looks like you're approving this too. Anyways still if you don't approve this particular one we'll make changes to it so that everyone'll be satisfied.

And if you do approve this rule, a two-thirds majority will be required to appoint new ROs, and each and every RO will get to have a say.

@sha ping

@Yat I hope you will... And I encourage you to actively participate in RO decisions as an active RO X-D ;)

@AnnZen Well, y'know, ppw not only vanished from being active as an RO, he simply basically vanished entirely X-D.

!!blame someone

!!blame @sha X-D

Hmm, anyone? @Ann?

@TechExpertWizard hi

Oh hi @Ann!

Hello! I'm Tech BOT, and my owner is Tech Expert Wizard.

@Ann Ugh... Looks like you're gone now :(

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@TechExpertWizard hugs @Ann

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@TechExpertWizard spanks @Ann

@Tec Oh well...

Meh...

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