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Q: Update: an agreement with Monica Cellio

Sara ChippsStack Overflow and Monica Cellio have come to an agreement. We believe that Ms. Cellio was not acting with malicious intent. We believe she did not understand all of the nuances and full intent and meaning of our Code of Conduct and was confused about what actions it required and forbade. We ac...

 
This sounds like a step in the right direction. With regard to the reinstatement, did you offer her position as a moderator back?
 
I am sorry I ain't that active at the time this incident happens. But nevertheless, hope everything has been resolved. I am waiting for the diamond to come back for Monica; but the fates of the other resigned moderators remain unknown!
 
@Ṁűỻịgǻṇạcểơửṩᛗ The last sentence reads to me that Monica does not want to go through the reinstatement process, so she won't be reinstated. So perhaps don't wait too long for that diamond to reappear, it sounds like it won't.
 
I'm a little confused with the last paragraph. Monica was demoted without warning or any sort of process. But in order to be reinstated, she has to apply for possible reinstatement? That doesn't really add up.
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@ReinstateMonica-GoodbyeSE unfortunately I can't comment further. Apologies in advance for any frustration that causes.
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12:14 AM
@SaraChipps do you mean that you truly can't, or that you won't? Is there a court order ordering you not to comment further? Do you not know the answer or do you not wish to disclose it at this time?
 
@SaraChipps - that's a fair answer, thank you.
 
@ColumbiasaysReinstateMonica we truly can't for legal reasons.
 
@SaraChipps: we truly can't for legal reasons – You may want to add this to the main announcement.
 
A lukewarm "we're sorry if you misunderstood our rules", no acknowledgement of the termination itself being a problem, and an offer to apply for reinstatement (lol) seems... underwhelming. But oh well. I don't think anybody expected anything more than the barest minimum that the company could be forced at gunpoint to admit. I hope at least the agreement cost them a crapton of money. (Monica probably won't able to comment on this, as is usual for these kinds of agreements.)
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@Magisch "Start"? That's about all there will come from it. It's off the table for SE now.
 
12:14 AM
Now I have my answer -- this whole situation has become impossible to fix. Stack Exchange finally does the thing we've been asking them to do for months, and it doesn't work. The divide is too deep, the loss of trust too strong. I am forced to admit the relationship between the community and the company may not be possible to mend at this stage, and that doesn't make me especially happy.
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@ColumbiasaysReinstateMonica, they probably cant because they settled on that. Reading in the post that they came to an agreement reads to me that they settled this outside of the courthouse. In which they most likely mutually agreed to not discuss the matter any further. Maybe because of the streissand effect?
 
 
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3:40 AM
@JourneymanGeek "I realise this is emotive but personal attacks on anyone involved is unacceptable. This includes calling for staff to resign or trying to assign blame." The idea that publicly saying someone is at fault for wronging another person is an "attack" just proves how extremist and hypocritical (since that's exactly what SE did to Monica, only falsely) the "welcoming" push is. You're not helping the situation. You're just proving that everyone is actually right to be upset.
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4:08 AM
I'm disappointed that the best answer posted, in my opinion, has now been deleted by "the powers that be" so that others cannot read it, vote on it, or comment on it. Censorship is ugly.
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7:05 PM
One of the moderator resigned or left ?
 
@Vipertecpro If you're asking about Monica, she was dismissed by SE for what they saw as Code of Conduct violations.
 
By why ?
but*
ohhh so she violated COC what did she do exactly ?
What did they saw ? i wanna see that too
 
@Vipertecpro That information is not really public. If you search around you'll see plenty of people speculating based on very partial info though.
@Vipertecpro Ideally, the only ones that need or have any right to that information are Monica and SE.
 
WHAT? it's not public? so you're saying one of our "moderator" to whom we've trusted and appreciated her support, she's dismissed by SE, don't you think it's public decision, after all we as a public make moderators like a leader.
 
It's not up to me so what I think matters little.
Ideally though I think that the information should be private, yes, in most cases.
 
7:18 PM
you say "little", well little by little she's earned her reputation, that took alot of time, patience and hard work. I know big people have one big word in their mouth to do anything which is "POLICIES" :p
 
I'm not sure I'm understanding what you are saying. All I said is that what I think doesn't matter because I don't make these decisions nor do I hold the right to distribute private information.
 
Tell me this SE is a company right ?
 
Yes. It is a corporation based in the US.
 
What could be the most possible reason you can think of dismissing someone from your company who's working with you longer than 5-6 years ?
 
@Vipertecpro Monica was not an SE employee. She was a volunteer moderator like all moderators on SE sites.
 
7:27 PM
ohhh i see now point
??? Still don't understand why ???
Can i get a link of full Code of Conduct list please ?
One the points in this which she broke stackoverflow.com/legal/terms-of-service/public ?
 
 
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11:45 PM
Is sad that the messenger got shot.
 

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