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7:45 PM
@user1271772 Alright, so lets start with this. What do you hope to achieve with this discussion. What outcome do you hope for?
 
Hold on there's too many things going on
I'm not used to getting so many messages at the same time, I haven't got a chance to read Catja's message yet because new messages kept coming
 
@user1271772 feel free to respond when you're ready and caught up
 
Is it possible to add Shog9 and Catija?
I can't find the add button
 
Shog might not want to, but you can invite him. Same with catija. You can invite both
 
Where is the invite button?
 
7:54 PM
click on the "room" dropdown on the sidebar
right sidebar, that is
 
control access?
 
Wait actually
 
I think your best bet might be to link this room over in the tavern and ask both of them to join
you can click on their name on any of the messages they posted and then on "invite this user" and then on this room
Again, they might not want to
 
You're going to peace out?
 
8:04 PM
What's up?
 
I'm just trying to figure out how this works, because I never made a chat room before
Okay @rene, is there any problem with this question or my answer to it? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312300/…
 
Nope, it is fine
 
If I click "accept" on my answer, do you think it might get downvotes like it happened on the other question?
 
@user1271772 no it's totally not relevant in my opinion, and not cause to downvote.
 
probably. Self-accept is kinda meaningless apart from being a bit of catharsis for the asker. It's often viewed as ego-stroking
 
8:15 PM
I'm very bad at predicting the future
 
And it seems accepting the answer does no bring it to the top? So all that happens is the green checkmark?
 
But, accepting won't make the question "active"... so it won't be visibly changed and brought to people's attention.
 
but let me help that question a bit at least by deleting my 2nd comment ... and done
 
@Shog9 I disagree. Self accept means, for me, "I found the solution myself and posting it here for others to see".
Nothing more, nothing less. If one finds it "ego-stroking" it's very... far reaching, IMO.
 
@user1271772 yep. It only even exists because folks wanted a way to indicate "hey, none of the other solutions worked but I found one myself"
but that rarely applies on meta
 
8:17 PM
@rene: the comment you deleted was the one linking it to the "dupe" ?
 
yes
 
@Catija: accepting the question makes it inactive? meaning other people can't answer?
I mean accepting the "answer" not the question
 
@user1271772 No. "Active" meaning that it's active on the front page of the site... Short of being "closed" (on hold) or deleted prevents answers.
 
I see
 
I've edited that question to add the detail I mentioned in our conversation earlier.
 
8:21 PM
Regarding the edit you made, is it really necessary to have hyperlinks to the Moderators FAQ and Elections FAQ just to tell people that the question is not there? When I see links I'm tempted to click, but in this case it's clicking to go somewhere that does NOT have the thing mentioned
 
I recommend removing your comments there, by the way. Most of them aren't doing anything beneficial for you, particularly the complaint about downvotes.
@user1271772 It shows that you've done research and adds information for future users who might find the question - making it more useful overall.
 
I agree that those comments should eventually be removed, but I didn't want to remove them yet
 
They're not responding to anything any more, so they look really odd.
 
Because I was quite upset with how this question turned out, it's actually the reason why I asked the next one which has maybe 30 downvotes
 
27
 
8:24 PM
I don't have access to see how many up/down votes
You upvoted the first question after editing it?
 
Because it became a good, detailed question that showed effort.
 
Thank you
 
... but you know what Shadow said on your other question's answer about how people vote on emotions sometimes? Your comments are going to draw negative ones... I really strongly suggest you remove them.
 
@user1271772 you can see that in your profile's reputation tab
 
I can see what?
 
8:28 PM
The upvote/downvote split.
You can see what I replied to by hovering the small arrow to the left of my message.
It's super useful in multiple users chat like this. :)
 
Oh I always wondered what that arrow was for !!!
And I always wished there was a better way than just scrolling up and searching!!
 
Well, you can see only daily split, so guess not really what you want. There is userscript that analyze the post's timeline and gives full split.
 
yeah, too messy.
@user1271772 now you know! ;)
 
It just means that 14 people downvoted and 2 people upvoted since I started talking about it on Meta
 
8:32 PM
You can post a Reply of your own to specific message by clicking the small arrow (ENTER like) that appear to the right of the message when you hover over it.
Also useful when you want to reply to old message and not have its author be confused what you talk about.
@Catija good advice, but I'm afraid it might be "too late", i.e. people will now downvote this user's posts based on the past interaction.
 
@ShadowWizard Well, those comments will stick around unless they're deleted by a CM or the OP... damaging the future of the question. Just because it may be "too late" for the current group of viewers doesn't mean that people months or years from now won't find it useful.
 
@Shog9: I appreciate you telling everyone the list of some of events that occured, but there were some events that occured on the first question (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312300/…) that I don't understand
How do I invite Shog09 to join the group?
 
He's already in here. Can you see the user list?
 
Is it possible to change the name of the group? It is called "chat between user1271772 and Magisch" but Magisch is not even here
 
Go to the "info" page and "edit" the title.
 
8:41 PM
room topic changed to Discussion about user1271772's heavily downvoted Meta posts: (no tags)
@Catija: I am looking now at my comments which you say attracted downvotes
You have enough reputation to see how many ups and downs? I'm talking about the first post not the second
 
That one is at +7/-9
 
jeez
9 is quite a lot.
But you helped it get from -3 to -2
 
Edits unlock votes, so you might find that some people remove their downvotes... or change them to upvotes... or do nothing...
 
Okay you can see that my first comment was "Why the downvotes? This question was never asked before, and the information is not given anywhere online!"
 
People complaining about downvotes generally attracts more downvotes.
 
8:47 PM
Before that, the comment that @rene deleted a few minutes ago, made it look like I was bitter about something without any evidence for that
 
@user1271772 he's already here, he see your pings.
 
You had gone to lunch, but we talked about it
 
And it's "room", not "group".
 
@ShadowWizard, are you suggesting that I did not want rene to see the message I tagged him in?
 
@user1271772 what? Who? Sorry, not sure what you mean.
 
8:56 PM
"he's already here, he see your pings." what does that mean?
 
@user1271772 it's a reply to your question "How do I invite Shog09 to join the group?", yet again - hover or click the small arrow to the left.
As you see, it's crucial sometimes.
 
Oh, I remember you taught me that but I haven't been accustomed to using it yet, so I thought you meant @rene sees my pings
 
@user1271772 well, rene see your pings too, yup.
 
What is this place? /panic
 
Anyone in the room is pingable.
Anyone who posts in a room, is pingable for 7 days even if leaving the room.
Direct reply will always ping the message author, regardless of when it was posted.
> Discussion about user1271772's heavily downvoted Meta posts
 
9:08 PM
Well I guess rene isn't here anymore
@canon remember you said you can help me if I am accepting of condescending advice?
 
hehe this room is becoming more and more crowded.... :D
 
But no one is here, I think people are afraid of me
 
@user1271772 A Community can kindly request a moderator to step down. Moderators and Surpreme Judges get a a lifelong sentence of duty
 
@Narusan: I understand this now, but didn't know that when I asked the first question
 
@user1271772 people are just busy
 
9:13 PM
No they are replying in the other room
 
It's Friday... and people want to relax... and some people are actually working...
 
There are two prime axioms of meta: 1. Your question will always be downvoted. 2. A post will never recover from heavy downvoting.
Cut your losses.
 
I see
 
@canon 2 counts for any SE page I've ever seen
 
@Narusan mhmm... to the point where it's not worth the effort to improve the post. It'll never climb to daylight.
 
9:15 PM
@user1271772 I think the first few versions of your post did make it seem like a rant. Most visitors on meta [citation needed] go there to vent frustration, so the community becomes trigger-happy. Everyone is annoyed by "oh, I was apparently treated unfairly, let me take time and write 20k words why this was wrong" and questions that seem like this get downvoted.
The question as it is currently is a valid one, and tbh it should would probably be better off deleted and then re-asked (and it would get a "better" score, I'm sure), but you can't delete it since there are other answers
 
@Narusan exactly.
 
@user1271772 maybe like you, they want to process what's been said to them before replying and need time... and maybe they just feel like they don't have anything to add so stay out. Nothing bad in either.
So jumping to conclusion like "They don't care", "They don't like me", is far fetched.
 
@ShadowWizard plus, Friday.
 
@canon 13th
hides
 
9:18 PM
@ShadowWizard: When did I say "So jumping to conclusion like "They don't care", "They don't like me", is far fetched." ?
 
8 mins ago, by user1271772
But no one is here, I think people are afraid of me
 
"afraid"
 
No one of them refused to join the room that I invited them to, anyway I don't want to argue about that
@canon: I wonder if this one can recover: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312300/…
 
e.g. now I go to wash dishes then fold laundry. I leave the tab open so I appear to be in the room, but I'll be away. I won't reply to pings, but when getting back (or even tomorrow), I'll read them and reply if possible.
 
9:21 PM
Thank you @ShadowWizard, that is nice of you
 
@ShadowWizard My condolences. See you soon
 
lol cya!
 
@user1271772 1. Delete the obsolete comments, they don't do you any favour. 2. Don't bother about reputation on meta, no one really cares about that.
 
@Narusan: I guess it's not about the reputation, it's about the feeling of being ostracized/rejected.
And I'm trying not to bother about the reputation, but I need it to edit posts and stuff. I guess also the people with 23k rep get given a bit more benefit of doubt than I did I guess
 
9:39 PM
If the "barrage" of downvoting was somehow limited, I think it would have helped in terms of my mental health and well-being: What I mean is if it never went below a net score of -5, meaning I can get 30 downvotes if there's 25 upvotes, but the net score never goes down below some limit (such as -5) then I would get the message that something in my question needs to be improved, but it wouldn't be like people continuing to kick my face when I'm already on the ground.
Then I would work on editing it, seeking advice and feedback, etc., as has been working for the first question (which seems recoverable because it's only -1). But for the question with -27, as you said, you've never seen such a thing recover, and if that's the case, what's the point? Shouldn't we try to make it so that bad questions can be recovered if people are willing to put some amount of effort into it?
 

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