@SonictheAnonymousWizHog - I don't consider spam accounts important enough to ping me - just drop a link here and you might notice the are gone eventually. That said - I have an RSS feed of MSE and SU spam post from smokey so there's a reasonably good chance that it will be gone anyway as and when I have the time.
I am concerned though that you are slipping back into the habit of pinging staff, and it's worth remembering this is meant to be a social space for them too.
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog I read all the scrollback
Allllllll of it
So literally just throw in a link, mention it's a spammer and it ought to get eventually handled
@JourneymanGeek Well, the first ping was related to a specific moderator action he had just taken. Then the rest of the conversation was just since he was in the room.
I protected a question since it had two spam answers. Then he unprotected it, and fifteen minutes later there was another spam answer. So I asked him why he unprotected it.
Ah, the whole "I never kick anyone without warnings" thing... Would you mind telling me if I'm saying something that you don't want me to say? I would appreciate that.
@JourneymanGeek Does that also apply to chat? For example if I want to ask for a rule clarification. I know that chat flags work in slightly different ways.
What I'm more curious about is why it happened a second time, despite me following your directions (or at least, how I interpreted your hint). Was it just a mistake?
Actually learn to trust people know what they are doing. Fundamentally - damn near everyone who handles a flag and is staff has lots of experience on the network
To be clear here, the ping was not because I distrusted his actions. I simply want to know things for both curiosity and so that I can learn to properly use my newly-granted privilege of protecting questions.
As the question was unprotected right after I protected it, perhaps I was wrong to protect it - so I want to know why it was unprotected, so I know when and when not to use the ability.
You spend a lot of time trying to curate the site. Front page full of your edits. Trying to understand every nuance of the network... Sometime when. There's none. You might want to consider another hobby too.
@forest practically I needed the stage and the last time you suggested a paste bin we had that join/quit troll
I can assure you, I had nothing to do with the join/quit trolling. In fact, I had talked with her using a paste site specifically so she wouldn't keep spamming with joins.
Most of the time she was just talking to me off this site. If she kept joining and parting, that wasn't my doing. She was already doing that long before I started talking to her.
Anyway my suggestion to Sonic had absolutely nothing to do with joins/parts.
I'm sorry if you thought I was suggesting that he trolls with joins. I'm not sure how suggesting to use a paste site to get around flag box character limits is implying that they troll.
Recently, we encountered a rather persistent user in a chat room, repeatedly attempting to engage with other users in the chat by editing their chat profile description and repeatedly leaving and re-entering the room in order to draw attention to themselves with the entry animation. Some users do...
I just take offense to being kicked by Journey misunderstanding what I was suggesting. I can't understand how any suggesting involving a paste automatically means that I am suggesting that sonic put a paste in his user profile and then spam joins and parts. It's nonsensical.
@JourneymanGeek But you thought I was implying that Sonic join/part trolls?
I get that you misunderstand English terms sometimes, but it would be really nice if you would give people benefit of the doubt and not jump to the conclusion that I am suggesting someone troll. Perhaps you could have asked me what I meant, if you were unsure.
If not, it's not worth discussing this over unless there were three consecutive kicks (which notifies other mods and bans inviting and creating new rooms)
And I don't see how you connected the dots between me suggesting "something to do with a paste" to me somehow recommending that Sonic trolls you.
I would love if you would clarify.
Now, my fear is that I'll get suspended again because I say a word that reminds you of something bad in the past, e.g. if I suggest something to do with a picture and then you kick me because I had posted that shock image by mistake. I want to avoid that, by understanding exactly why my suggestions are "not helpful" (which apparently equates to against the rules) when the only issue with them is that they remind you of something bad that happened in the past.
@JourneymanGeek So if I am missing things... please clarify so that I do not miss them.
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog How do ROs see it? I'm an RO in another room but I see nothing like that. Is it only Tavern ROs or something?
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog Yes, I posted two messages. I stopped talking about Twitter as Journey kicking me after my snark was a clear message. My messages were suggesting that Sonic get around the character limit by using a link.
Ah, the whole "I never kick anyone without warnings" thing... Would you mind telling me if I'm saying something that you don't want me to say? I would appreciate that.
It solved the problem of a limited character count.
Plus, being unhelpful on its own isn't against the rules. For example, if links are disallowed in flag comment sections, then would that be the difference between getting kicked and not?
Well, in any case, the point of that first message was just to explain that my first ping to him wasn't just to ask a totally random question or to fast-track a request. I've received specific complaints about doing those things and have stopped doing that.
@JourneymanGeek I did exactly that in the Travel chat room once. I was told to ping moderators for that next time.
The rules for the main site are clearly spelled out, but that isn't the case for chat. In order to understand the rules best without imposing on mods for every little thing or risking getting kicked for something that I do not consider obvoius, I'd like to know if there are any specific rules and...
@JourneymanGeek Please stop assuming intent when you do not understand my intent.
I am genuinely trying to find out how to avoid all this crap.
Please state in unambiguous words what I need to do. I find it unhelpful to get kicked over making a suggestion that doesn't help and not told what is wrong. Please humor me. I suspect you are going to kick me for saying this (without telling me why), but I'd like you to at least read my request. Thank you.
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog I didn't notice that. If he had told me that, I would have waited for you to be finished. Chat is asynchronous so "interruption" isn't always as big a deal.
@JourneymanGeek I really wish we weren't. You seem to enjoy finding reasons to kick me (like making a suggestion that doesn't help? And, of course, when pointing that out and asking for details, for "rule lawyering") without explaining, and that just makes me more irritable.
@JourneymanGeek I'm asking you this directly. If I'm doing something that is against the rules which is not obvious, could you please just be frank with me and tell me?
For example, could you say "saying that a mod has an issue with you is against the rules", instead of saying "if you assume it's personal[...]", because I can't tell if that's a demand or not.
I read the scroll log. I tried to be helpful because you told Sonic to use the flag box, and I suggested a means to use it more effectively, then got kicked.
@JourneymanGeek Then rather than kicking me because something something join/part trolls in the past, wouldn't it be better if you told me "I want to talk to Sonic alone. Don't give any advice"?
If you had said that, I would have said "ok" and nothing would have happened.
@JourneymanGeek Then rather than kicking me because something something join/part trolls in the past, wouldn't it be better if you told me "I want to talk to Sonic alone. Don't give any advice"?
I would really like it if you would do that. Just humor me.
@JourneymanGeek Is that too much to ask? That's all I want.
Well it clearly wasn't a good idea, because it lead to me being even more pushy after being kicked simply because it was easier than telling me "I want this to be a private discussion".
And this is a public chat room anyway. It's really upsetting to have no way to know that the chat was in a "if you talk, you get kicked because this is a 1-on-1" mode.
Because now I realize that I was kicked because you didn't want to tell me that I wasn't allowed to talk because you suspected that one sentence would distract someone. I find that really offensive.
@JourneymanGeek But so serious that anyone other than you and Sonic talking would lead to getting kicked? I mean, I read the scroll log and couldn't even imagine that was the case.
That doesn't follow at all. I thought "Hey, I got kicked for being snarky about Twitter. OK, I admit my mistake. I'll be serious now and give a real suggestion".
But then I got kicked again. You can't expect me to know why.
What is it you think I was suggesting? Please tell me. Did you think I was suggesting anything to do with that join/part spam? I'd really like to know because that would explain a lot.
My suggestion was to put a link in the flag box once, not to put it in a user profile and then join/part spam. I would not suggest the latter because it is clearly abuse.
To anyone else (as I understand Journey doesn't want to talk about this and I'm having a very hard time explaining it to him), I would like to understand how this was inappropriate.
Is there another mod I can talk to? Or should I ask via the contact email?
Because I really, really don't think that mentioning a paste site and reminding Journey of "past poor judgment on my part" is worthy of getting kicked. And that's not even considering the fact that my pastebin suggestion actually alleviated the join/part spam to a large extent.
@JourneymanGeek Anyway, this is why I feel like this is personal. Because as soon as you get close to explaining something, you leave me hanging. I feel like you are doing this on purpose. I'm being frank here. It upsets me. It feels like I am being targeted.
@forest It's not about the specific things you mentioned. From what I can tell, he considered it impolite for you to interrupt a conversation where he wanted to chat one-on-one with me without distractions, and given your past behavior, he figured a kick would be an easier way to say "stop it, we're having a conversation".
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog I get that, but he changed his reasoning from "I don't want to distract Sonic by saying it's a private conversation" to something entirely different.
And to be honest, my suggesting the paste thing during the join/part spam actually made the problem better. I don't know why he associates that whole ordeal with me.
Just about him not wanting to distract you by telling me it's a private convo?
Because he told me that if what I said was helpful, he wouldn't have kicked.
That's why I'm seeing severe contradictions that make understanding this hard.
I'm thinking I should bring this up with another mod, like Tinkeringbell or someone. I don't feel that it's appropriate to kick someone because you don't want to tell them that the conversation is one-on-one only. In general, if you don't want others to talk at all, you find a private room. I feel like this is mod power abuse to kick someone instead of, well, telling them "this is a private convo".
@SonictheAnonymousWizHog I just re-read the scroll log. There are contradictions in what Journey claims are his reasons and I can't make heads or tails of it. :/
About whether or not it's appropriate for a mod to use moderator tools against someone who walks in on a one-on-one conversation, rather than telling that person it's one-on-one only?