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3:00 PM

We're discussing.

Part of "be nice" is assuming good intention. Not understanding my argument doesn't mean I can be construed legitimately as a troll.

Mazura

We are all trolls seeking the release of endorphins. Deal with it. If you disagree, you're deluding yourself and ignoring the signals your brain is sending after you press 'enter'. That being said, having so much 'discussion' about a deleted comment is just absolutely [redacted].

bjb568

retarded

Censorship doesn't make anything better in the end.

Quill

@bjb568 Everyone's trying to discuss whether it's okay to shoot someone in the foot, and then you went and shot someone in the foot while you're discussing it. Whether it's "Meta" or "relevant" to the conversation doesn't matter.

Mazura

I can't swear here ;)

Quill

@bjb568 except daytime television

bjb568

3:02 PM

We're only all trolls if you use a horrendously bad definition of troll.

@Quill Only if you count shutting it completely down as censoring.

Mazura

"You made me think things, and now you must suffer my sharing them."

Bart

@bluefeet sorry, afk. Yeah, all is well. Thanks anyway :)

bluefeet

@Bart cool, I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.

bjb568

@Quill Well ho hum, maybe the term is an integral part of meta discussion then.

And, well, ho hum, that's my point.

Mazura

Rep whoring is integral part of SE, like it or not.

bjb568

3:04 PM

I don't disagree.

Quill

That may be true, but that doesn't mean we need to call it that

Mazura

Call it like it is. Who said SE isn't all just a bunch of "yes men" ? (because by design we are)

Go try and talk smack about something and see how far you get.

bjb568

I don't know what you're trying to do hinting at things that seem obvious.

Sterling Archer

@bjb568 why did you come into JS and just start posting meta links and chat quotes?

bjb568

But I agree with you completely. @Mazura

Sterling Archer

3:06 PM

With 0 context

Mazura

@bjb568 That's how I troll ;)

bjb568

@Sterling Hi

Ok, Tavern, now you can deal with this guy. Bye!

Quill

We're all running on the euphemism treadmill whether you like it or not

bjb568

Expect more r17ers too.

user202362

I am not a yes man, I am not a man to start with ... I am wild at heart :p

Bart

3:07 PM

@bjb568 wut?

Sterling Archer

I asked a simple question, but ok.

tchrist

Positions placed in actual answers subject to the collective judgement of the community through full voting will always carry more weight than those cravenly protected in ephemeral comments for want of testicular fortitude.

Mazura

Has there been enough milk split about a comment being deleted yet?

-5

Q: How/Why were my comments deleted?

I downvoted this question, commenting that googling would have given the answer. While I was slightly curt, I don't think my comment was flagged and the user isn't a moderator. So according to this post he shouldn't have been able to delete my comments. I'm curious as to how/why my comments we...

How long does it take SE to log me out a site?

Quill

Huh?

Mazura

Either Super User is trying to get rid of me, or I don't go there very often. Every time I go there I have to log in again.

Bart

3:15 PM

@Telkitty "The uploader has not made this video available in your country."

bjb568

Yay, I got kicked from r17 3 times with an autoflag.

Quill

@Mazura The benefits of trying a multi-domain login, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't

Sterling Archer

That's what happens when you don't listen to warnings and keep stirring the pot

bjb568

@SterlingArcher 3 messages!

I wonder which side of this is being more disruptive…

Interestingly, r17ers can't figure out if they want to silence me or not. rlemon just oneboxed me in r17

Mazura

It's a loaded question.

Quill

3:17 PM

Just bin and move on, seriously. No need to turn 3 chat messages into a drama scandal

Sterling Archer

You're known in the JS room to have a grudge against us, and we were given explicit permission to kick anybody dramatic on site. The first kick maybe not so much, but when you come right back and keep going? What did you expect?

bjb568

Wow, they just pinged a mod.

user202362

@Bart it's wild at heart by the birds of toyko

bjb568

@SterlingArcher If you can convince yourself that what I posted was enough to kick me three times, raise a flag, and ping a specific moderator, that's fine for you.

Quill

@SterlingArcher There's no need to kick again if they enter the room and don't continue the behaviour

Sterling Archer

3:18 PM

He did continue the behavior

bjb568

Ha!

Bart

People, can we try and not flag random stuff that's not actually problematic?

bjb568

Wow, I haven't even flagged anything yet.

Talk about flag trolls.

Talk about trolls in general, how about.

Sterling Archer

I don't see any flags?

tchrist

Please don't.

Bart

3:20 PM

It got dismissed @SterlingArcher

Sterling Archer

Ah, I missed it.

bjb568

@tchrist Yes, it's hyperbole.

Wait, it's not hyperbole exactly, but it's something that isn't literal.

Oh, wow, they r17 guys have gotten smarter. They're not flooding Tavern now, they just send an ambassador.

Quill

Can we not aggravate people anymore please?

Bart

^

Sterling Archer

They didn't send me. I came to ask you why you posted meta stuff with no context

Quill

3:22 PM

Blood is boiling already, no need to add to the heat

Sterling Archer

Stop flaming my chat

bjb568

Oh, it's yours now.

Mazura

@bjb568 There's nothing for me to add, other than a DV. Which means it's probably going to win just like Brexit did. It's a lot easier to garner support for hate, than from those who are 'meh' about it. However, we used to be able to swear, according to consensus, so it doesn't really matter anyway: if TPTB want this, it shall be so.

Bart

Just be your happy little cat-like self over here @bjb568. Tell us about Devdoodle. Let's go back to random Tavern stuff. It's too hot to deal with all this.

bjb568

It'll take a while to go back to normal.

Bart

3:24 PM

I'll accept the fact that we'll never be entirely normal

Quill

@Bart I blame all the floating things

bjb568

> Sterling: he beat me in the last election :P

> rlemon: you did start the election with "got dick" in your picture

I forgot about that.

Such great memories.

Sterling Archer

Yeah probably not the smartest move. That almost showed up in my SNC job interview too

Bart

@Quill blame accepted.

Quill

There's no need to add even more to this fire

bjb568

3:26 PM

I'm reminiscing.

Andy

I understand there is not a lot of friendly feelings between you guys. However, cross posting between rooms isn't the right place to handle it. @bjb568, if it's going to take you a while to get back to normal, step away from the computer for a while.

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Mazura

I encourage you to take a look at this page using the wayback machine: (our words meant nothing; every other answer there has been deleted) Are expletives (cursing, swear words or vulgar language) allowed on SE sites?

bjb568

@Andy I'm going to go to bed soon.

But I do really enjoy seeing r17 reactions. It's what happens in a system when values get out of normal operating parameters. It's just a sociological system.

I do a bit of prodding, things explode.

Mazura

AKA trolling

Andy

@bjb568 Then stop. That is trolling. Knock it off.

Sterling Archer

3:29 PM

Dude you got issues

Quill

smell that bushfire burning in the background....

Benjamin Gruenbaum

@bjb568 @Shog9 can you please give this dude a stern look or something? I don't understand why he comes to the JavaScript room trolling every few months. Honestly I've been fine with it because I've expected him to outgrow it and get bored after a few times but this has been going on for years now.

bjb568

@SterlingArcher Ha!

@BenjaminGruenbaum Hey, I expected you to be here. You always seem to come.

Mazura

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

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bjb568

But 1) it's not every few months and 2) Shog's definitely tired of dealing with it.

Good luck, Shog. I'm sorry r17 is a part of your life.

Sterling Archer

3:32 PM

And you wonder why we kick you on sight.

bjb568

Oh.

Shog9

what the hell is r17?

Sterling Archer

@Shog9 the JS chat

Shog9

SOMEONE WHO ISN'T BJB

thank you.

Quill

> rule 17 of the internet. Every win fails eventually.

bjb568

3:35 PM

I know problems between two sides involve two sides. I just feel like my side isn't radiating problems quite as energetically as a badly-behaved chatroom that smells like the deep south.

Good night, shoggy.

dammit, auto carrot

Bart