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user315433

12:13 AM

Speaking of stats, looks like my Marshal badge #11 will arrive soon, 487 helpful flags on Arqade. (What is that site about, again?)

Shog9

Minecraft

Quill

It's the only remaining place where Unikong questions are on-topic

user202362

user315433

A follow-up question would be "what is a Minecraft"?

Shog9

The top tag on Arqade, of course!

user202362

12:24 AM

Mine craft, obviously not your craft

Quill

that doesn't belong on Arqade then

it belongs on the Arts and Crafts proposal

user202362

user315433

The greatest mystery of Area 51 is why SO in Turkish hasn't been closed like all other remaining SO in X proposals.

user315433

0

Q: Is there a way to switch to medical after fashion designing

I am completing a degree in fashion designing. Around 25 years old and feel like switching fields and going to medical profession. Is there a way I will be able to succeed after entering this late? I would love to hear the opinions of people who have had similar experiences. Thanks in advance.

changing-fields

user315433

Why not, same principle.

Andrew T.

12:30 AM

hmm...

user315433

In the sidebar: 'Should we have a canonical question for “should I quit my PhD”?'

user315433

Next iteration: 'Should we have a canonical question for “Should we have a canonical question for ...”'?

user315433

IMO, it's simple: if you are asking, the answer is yes.

hichris123

@Gilles The "invisible" flag button only happens on a few sites (and that bug has existed since the end of February :(): meta.webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/3968/…. — hichris123 44 secs ago

Maybe there should be one day set aside for designers to fix bugs from CSS changes/the LESS migration. It would make for a lot nicer experience, clear out a lot of bugs quickly (since they're all relativly small fixes), and wouldn't take too much away from core projects.

Quill

like one day a week, a month, a year, a decade?

because the decade one is really doable

hichris123

12:45 AM

One day soon. :P

Quill

I wonder whether bored devs would terminate chat connections just to see whether people complain once they reconnect

That sounds like a fun game

hichris123

Chromium does "Fix It" days every so often. Usually it's by a team - they set aside 100 say networking bugs and try to fix those all by the end of the day.

Sometimes those are even week long events so people can contribute whenever they have time.

Quill

that sounds like fun

hichris123

Probably is, if you get paid to work on Chrome. :P

user315433

A crazy patch party

Quill

12:54 AM

@hichris123 Isn't chromium worked on mostly by open-source non-profit development?

it'd be really nice to have a good project to work on. I keep getting to "end phases" in my scripts/programs

bjb568

@Marshmallow A bit. We covered all teh ANOVAs.

hichris123

@Quill A lot of the project consists of Google employees since Chrome basically equals Chromium + a little proprietary stuff. You also have Opera developers... probably a few WebKit devs too. And then there's some folks that don't get paid to work on it, but usually they don't contribute as often.

Quill

Ah, fair enough

bjb568

@Quill DevDoodle's a good project.

Quill

Don't big contributors that aren't paid to work on those style projects usually get job offers to do so? I thought that was how node got its devs

bjb568

1:00 AM

I'm getting a programming club started at my school actually, so we'll be seeing some users.

Quill

@bjb568 I tried to do that, your code was pretty thick

bjb568

I like my smoothies thick.

hichris123

@Quill Probably.

Quill

I ended up basically doing half the changes you made in the ESLint commit the other day

bjb568

:p

Well, now that's done.

hichris123

1:01 AM

Once you contribute to Chromium a bit, you start to learn who's a Google employee. Usually because they "own" major parts of the codebase.

Ah here was the fancy blog post with contributors over time for Chomium, Firefox, etc: mo.github.io/2015/11/04/…

Slightly misleading though since non-Google employees can get @chromium.org accounts.

Quill

1:19 AM

ooh I got a docs beta invite

the tour pages are always beautiful :D

Jeffrey Bosboom

So, I admit I haven't looked at Docs since the day I got my invite. I mostly work with Java and I don't see how to beat the Java Tutorials for conceptual documentation or the Javadoc for 'what are the parameters to this call'-documentation.
The Java Tutorials have small motivating examples inline where appropriate (which is often not at the start of a page), with links to self-contained long-form examples (especially helpful for e.g., Swing -- you can see what breakpoints you hit as you click around).

Even for things that I might write a self-answered Q&A about, I actually like the Q&A format because it gives me a chance to explain the problem (and possibly some obvious-but-wrong approaches) before explaining the solution.

That said, SO Docs might be useful as a place to write documentation for libraries that don't have any, in the sense that Wikia is a place to write wikis for properties that don't have official or strong unofficial ones.

hichris123

1:35 AM

3 hours ago, by hichris123

They must've just sent out the last batch. I feel special.

Quill

@hichris123 Yeah, I got it three hours after you

I wonder how many emails they sent out

hichris123

@JeffreyBosboom Yeah, from a cursory glance it does seem kind of strange and disjoint. That's not to say that I oppose the idea though: if it works, it would be great. But at the moment, a lot of it seems to be repetition of the docs (and maybe an example or two more).

In other news... vim 8 is apparently being worked on. It's not dead yet, folks.

> COMPILE TIME CHANGES *compile-changes-8*

Dropped the support for MS-DOS. It was too big to fit in memory.

Doorknob

something something neovim is the future

hichris123

But I like vim. :(

Doorknob

so do I

Quill

1:40 AM

something something cloud9 is the future

rolls over and groans

hichris123

> The current stable version is 0.1.

That... doesn't seem very stable.

Doorknob

@Quill brb throwing up in a bush outside

:P

Quill

I have to use it for my webtech class because apparently installing/setting up the apache&mysql stack is really hard

Doorknob

 # apt-get install apache2

hichris123

You forgot sudo...

Doorknob

1:43 AM

fine, that better? :P

hichris123

What, you writing in markdown now? ;P

Quill

it's clearly a python comment

bjb568

$ sudo apt-get install apache2

Doorknob

I don't even know whether I have sudo installed

hichris123

🍌 sudo apt-get install apache2

bjb568

1:45 AM

Now that's just bananas!

Quill

C:\Windows\system32>sudo
'sudo' is not recognised as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.

Doorknob

ಠ_ಠ

hichris123

Doorknob

llama@llama:~$ sudo
usage: sudo -h | -K | -k | -V

hm, apparently I do. apt-cache tells me a few things depend on it (like bundler)

hichris123

Bash on Ubuntu on Windows is the most confusing name ever...

Doorknob

1:48 AM

can't remember the last time I used it, though...

Quill

λ sudo
'sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

Doorknob

@hichris123 O_o

hichris123

hey it works!

Quill

alias sudo='echo "try again in a few minutes"'

hichris123

root@localhost:/mnt# ls -l
total 28
drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 0 Apr 12 20:56 c
drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 0 Apr 12 20:56 d

Andrew T.

1:52 AM

sudo apt-get install sudo

Come to think of it... I haven't bashing Windows 10.

Quill

sudo npm install -g sudo

it's actually just an alias for leftpad

hichris123

You're too paranoid or ... ? This is an app made in Sony for the Sony Bravia TV and this App is a temporary solution because in this App they are the missing button to switch to 3D options to be able to use 3D in Kodi, Plex and other Apps where this option is not possible because on the two remote, nether have this missing 3D button but an "action menu" that not propose this feature in a lot of Android App! Do you really think that I'm from Sony Corp and a make Add for a free official App! You judge me with out understand that App send the correct signal that you can maybe analyzed! — Gaston 6 hours ago

Quill

right on time

Andrew T.

identification-request is that from manga/anime?

Quill

SciFi, Movies, A&M

Arqade has game-identification

Andrew T.

2:04 AM

I mean, the demonstrated theme.. looks like a white-haired character...

(I would be downvoted to oblivion if I asked image identification request :p)

Quill

what theme? (wow I didn't even notice it ;-;)

Andrew T.

the Sony Xperia ad. Unless I'm blind/sleepy

Quill

yeah, it's from anime, but which one, I don't know >_<

you could ask in the chatroom, maybe

Jeffrey Bosboom

Turns out calling an instance method on an instance of the wrong class via JVMTI results in IncompatibleClassChangeError rather than a ClassCastException, IllegalArgumentException (a la Java reflection), silent misbehavior or a segfault. The JVMTI documentation only states "Throws: Exceptions raised during the execution of the Java method."

Now, where can I post this discovery? A self-answered Q&A with an obviously-wrong "minimal example" and stack trace seems wrong, and it doesn't seem appropriate for SO Docs either.

Andrew T.

I think SO is okay, if the 'obviously wrong minimal example" can trip new users (read: useful to future readers)

Otherwise... others might ask "what are you trying to do?"

Jeffrey Bosboom

2:16 AM

Well, it's not the code that's useful here, but the stack trace. Searching "IncompatibleClassChangeError jvmti" doesn't produce any useful hits, and I just want "calling a method on an instance of the wrong type" to show up as one possible cause.

The code would just create an Iterator object, get the jmethodID for Collection.size and try to call it on the iterator, which is obviously bogus in a small example but less obvious in a larger program.

hichris123

2:27 AM

Sometimes, I wonder if Academia questions are real questions or people wanting to brag about their accomplishments...

Quill

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Q: What are the potential benefits and pitfalls of leaving tenth grade early to pursue an internship at a prominent research lab?

I'm a tenth grader in high school and I'm passionate about my research in computational neuroscience. I'm in a unique situation, and I'm wondering whether I should leave tenth grade early this year to accept a research position for four months at a leading university. I am a deep thinker and am...

research-undergraduate education internship

yeah...

hichris123

And somehow, you read my mind. :P

Quill

it was on the top of the site :p

bjb568

2:40 AM

@Quill Pfft, 15 :p

Quill

I know right, who doesn't have their PhD at 11? laaaaame

hichris123

Those folks can't post on SE to ask about it.

Quill

uh huh

user315433

3:10 AM

Oracle's the River of the World Everybody Row! Everybody Row!

Tweeted by shog9 on April 15, 2016 at 2:55 AM

user315433

In reference to Docs Beta and Tom Waits, an odd pairing.

Quill

Next time you're laughing at a town's "stupid" law prohibiting the distribution of peppermint candy or whatever... https://t.co/mnqSuZLta1

Tweeted by shog9 on April 15, 2016 at 2:37 AM

user315433

> On the brink of so many adventures... -- Laura Dobrzynski at 8:07 PM - 14 Apr 2016 via Twitter

user315433

> @lauradobrzynski yay for you but sad for us. -- Bluefeet at 8:16 PM - 14 Apr 2016 via Twitter

user315433

len(Product Managers) goes down again...

Shog9

3:19 AM

We should really stop giving them red shirts.

hichris123

3:38 AM

That's a harsh sendoff.

Quill

you could give them shirts that say "My stack overflowed :("

pcworld.com/article/3055403/windows/…

user315433

From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirts_(novel) ...

user315433

> The ensigns get to know Lt. Kerensky, who is Russian, lecherous and constantly getting infected with diseases, beaten within an inch of life, or otherwise hurt

user315433

So, he is Russian, lecherous, infected, beaten, or otherwise hurt

bjb568

Night!

Ooh, that reminds me, Starbucks should totally add marshmallows to their hot chocolate.

Quill

3:55 AM

Night

tchrist

4:33 AM

@Shog9 Got your snow plow ready?

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Shog9

4:46 AM

@tchrist well, snow blower

tchrist

@Shog9 Yesterday I checked and they said 6 inches but now they’re saying 2–4 feet. Sheesh and I was really hoping for fruit this year. My trees are finally in full bloom.

Shog9

Yeah... Guessing my rhubarb will be frozen off again this year

I'll throw buckets over things & hope for the best

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user202362

I am amazed that deer haven't gotten all of them in the early spring

user202362

Many mammals know how to get rid of the buckets/lids in order to get the food inside ...

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4:58 AM

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user202362

So stop hoarding & start sharing ...

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Shog9

I've never observed deer eating rhubarb

user202362

Why would one eat deer reject ... When you can eat deer :'(

tchrist

5:16 AM

@Telkitty Deer won't eat rhubarb's poison leaves.

user202362

@tchrist what kind of fruit trees do you have?

user202362

Travern<farmers>

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user202362

5:32 AM

0

Q: Water leak detection - long drive way

My dad needs to repair a water leak on a property. This house has a long driveway (roughly 20 metres). But when he went there to have a look, there was no noticeable leak (water puddle etc). Bathroom & under the house have been checked thoroughly and there was no sight of any serious water leak. ...

plumbing leak

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user202362

Fixed 70% of this problem

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user202362

The driveway is actually 80 metres long

user202362

Fixed a major leak & reduced a 0.8 ton daily leak to a 0.28 ton leak

tchrist

5:39 AM

@Telkitty Apple and nectarine.

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user202362

6:00 AM

@tchrist how long have you had them?

user202362

The nectarine tree has been in the backyard for 5 years & it has never borne more than 50 fruits in any given year & birds/worms usually got to those fruits way before they were reap enough for humans

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Bart

6:47 AM

@Telkitty just ferment whatever fruit you have into an alcoholic beverage, and you should be fine in the Tavern.

SmokeDetector

7:28 AM

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user202362

8:07 AM

@Bart I am thinking about all the bird saliva left on the fruits

Bart

I'm sure there is a hipster market for that as well :D

Fruit "kissed by nature"

user202362

8:21 AM

user202362

nah ...

SmokeDetector

10:31 AM

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1:02 PM

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PhMgBr

1:46 PM

@Gilles The "invisible" flag button only happens on a few sites (and that bug has existed since the end of February :(): meta.webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/3968/…. — hichris123 13 hours ago

So that's what @hichris looks like. ":():"

Creepiest alien face evar

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

2:08 PM

+1 for saying updoots. — Don't Panic 16 hours ago

:-D

PhMgBr

I don't know the meaning of updoots, please help ell.stackexchange.com/questions/87477/… — Cary Bondoc 14 hours ago

LOL

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@PhMgBr ;-)

an updoot for you :-D — Neal 2 mins ago

hichris123

I handed out some new and interesting community work today, and got the typical reaction from my devs. #managed https://t.co/uXOOndISac

Tweeted by haneycodes on April 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM

So it looks like we'll get a little more data in PostsWithDeleted. And the review limit work is moving forward.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

2:33 PM

@hichris123 hmmm Stack uses SE chat in house?

hichris123

Of course.

Look at the recent users on chat.mSE.

Derpy

2:49 PM

ARGH

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tueidj.DesertBus

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard I got a ping from you but cannot seem to find the associated message (did you delete it?). Anyway I could understand it from the notification, so the answer is: no, that was another bot, Phamhilator.

Derpy

who for Celestia sake had the idea to port that one game to android??? O_o

Bart

3:33 PM

:D

Classic

user315433

3:43 PM

Does chat onebox Trello cards, or is that just the internal chat feature?

user315433

Stack Overflow: an update on the long road to SSL

More Topics on Blog post queue for Stack Overflow topics

Original post, for which an update is way overdue: https://nickcraver.com/blog/2013/04/23/stackoverflow-com-the-road-to-ssl/

☝ 19 votes

user315433

Yay

user315433

I suppose they have to be public to be oneboxed.

user315433

trello.com/c/s11hbs5v

user315433

Naturally.

xkcdBot

4:00 PM

Today's xkcd comic (Singularity):

I figured that now that society has collapsed, I wouldn't need to wear clothes anymore, but apparently that violates some weird rule of quantum gravity.

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4:32 PM

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5:44 PM

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bjb568

6:22 PM

Spring is here!

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6:38 PM

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rene

7:16 PM

@bjb568 not here I can tell you, rainy over the weekend ... not earlier than Monday to expect some sun ...

Temp's dropping to zero degrees

hichris123

8:03 PM

@rene C or F? :P

@bjb568 What is that from?

And why is it running on devdoodle?

rene

@hichris123 you choose

Shog9

metric humidity is the worst humidity

rene

I'll put my metric foot on your ... oh wait ...

Shog9

yeah. IMPERIAL ass. Totally incompatible.

rene

LOL

bjb568

8:17 PM

@hichris123 DevDoodle.net:1337

rene

needs your api key

bjb568

@rene make one at developer.forecast.io

rene

oh

KutuluMike

how.. leet

hichris123

8:37 PM

> The easiest, most advanced, weather API on the web

How many superlatives can you use?

KutuluMike

it's the weatheriest

> The easiest, most advanced, weatheriest, most APIest thing on the web.

bjb568

@hichris123 The most!

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8:55 PM

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KutuluMike

9:05 PM

The mostest non-Latin Body, the mostest non-Latin title on the web.

Shog9

belongs on latin.stackexchange.com

bjb568

Master of the Sky: Owl Vs Wolf - Super Powered Owls - BBC

►

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9:21 PM

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Shadow Wizard

9:40 PM

@ProgramFOX yeah, figured that out shortly after posting. What happened to that other bot, any idea?

user315433

9:51 PM

Sep 12 '15 at 12:07, by Sam

@Undo Short answer: I'm experimenting with a new post quality classification system (just seeing how it performs on SO first, before I use it network-wide). I've decided to stop attempting to detect spam (I'll leave that with you guys ;)), but rather focus my efforts on classifying LQ posts instead.

user315433

10:06 PM

6

A: Has anyone analyzed the survival rate of new SO users based on quality of first question(s)?

This has been queried before by Shog, but I pulled some current numbers for the past year of new users; new users being users who created an account in the last year. Overall New Users Over the past year, there were 480155 new users who asked at least one question, of those questions: +----...

user315433

Featuring a rare meta appearance by Jeff Atwood.

user315433

"if your first question is well-received you're likely to perform better long term" hmm, doesn't this mean that someone who puts in effort on their first attempt is likely to also put in effort on subsequent attempts? I'm not seeing an epiphany there. — Jeff Atwood ♦ 10 mins ago

Shadow Wizard

@Marshmallow thanks!

user315433

I wanted to see the best strategy for preventing a user from posting ever again. Unfortunately, none are effective.

user315433

Overall, 46% of new users returned to post again.

user315433

10:15 PM

The rate is lowest among "Users with First Question Score < 0 and Deleted".

user315433

But it's still 38%.

user315433

40% in the categories "First Question Deleted" and "First Question Score < 0 and Closed"

Jon Ericson

@Marshmallow Just do nothing.

user315433

10:40 PM

I like this slogan. Beats Nike's

hichris123

10:56 PM

Happy Hour!

bjb568

11:07 PM

:D

Quill

11:31 PM

morning

8

Q: Python Keylogger With Built In Security Measures

The program I have developed is currently used for detecting and recording keystrokes. I have added some built in security measures that can easily(somewhat) be modified to suit individual user needs! I won't go into the mechanics because the Source is readily available and easily understandabl...

python python-2.7 windows

wowe

@jaydles I feel the "ask question" page is the single least changed page on Stack since 2008 and it is wildly overdue for a serious overhaul to help first time askers. — Jeff Atwood ♦ 39 mins ago

feature-request by Jeff Atwood

nice

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