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2:00 AM

@ASCIIThenANSI How do you make Unicode? That's the super craziest question I have heard in my life, considering that you asked it IN UNICODE!!!!! But want, random ones? Again trivial: you pick an integer between 0 and 0x10_FFFF inclusive, discard the surrogates and the non-characters, call it a code point — and a night.

Next brainbusting programming question please?

yellowantphil

or you just don’t discard non-characters, and fill SE chat with invalid codepoints →𑄑←

bjb568

@Roombatron5000 :p

yellowantphil

@tchrist which of your tools takes unicode input and says what it is?

tchrist

@yellowantphil THAT IS NOT A NON-CHARACTER. IT IS ALSO NOT AN INVALID CODE POINT!!!!

yellowantphil

ok I was lucky

Roombatron5000

2:02 AM

unicode is tearing the tavern apart

yellowantphil

0x11111 didn’t seem likely to me

tchrist

U+11111 is a perfectly value code point. It is currently unassigned.

Likely does not matter.

It is valid.

yellowantphil

𢈢𳌳𢈢𳌳
񄑄

→ ←

surely that last one is bad news?

tchrist

U+03_3333 is currently Unassigned and perfectly valid. The other two have the property Han and are in the CJK_Unified_Ideographs_Extension_B block.

@yellowantphil Which one?

What is the number?

yellowantphil

U+200000

I think SE stripped it out

tchrist

2:06 AM

That is not Unicode.

yellowantphil

out of range for UTF-16 but that doesn’t stop me from abusing UTF-8

tchrist

Tell me about it.

yellowantphil

vim lets me type it, but I can’t seem to copy and paste it

tyranny!!!!!!

tchrist

% perl -CS -e 'print chr(0xFFFF_FFFF_FFFF_FFFF)' | wc -c
13

Works fine in perl.

yellowantphil

also, vim has a bug where if you try to type a character that won’t fit in UTF-8, it shows some ASCII of something else

tchrist

2:08 AM

vim is not especially clever sometimes.

yellowantphil

I told Mr. Vim about the bug and he did nothing

ctrl-shift+u 200000

works fine, but higher it stops working, past the theoretical max of UTF-8

tchrist

Well.

All UTF-{8,16,32} have the same max legal value of U+10_FFFF.

However,

You can extend the UTF-8 algorithm rather further.

yellowantphil

I am a scofflaw

tchrist

There are proposals for infinitely extended versions of all three.

yellowantphil

you can extend UTF-8 into the stratosphere if you’re willing to use bytes FE and FF

@tchrist are all of those proposals from William Overington?

tchrist

2:12 AM

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@yellowantphil I don't think so, but I cannot find them now.

yellowantphil

if they’re formal proposals, it’s not Overington

tchrist

No, they are not.

yellowantphil

do you read the Unicode mailing list?

tchrist

Yes.

yellowantphil

do you know who Overington is?

tchrist

2:14 AM

Not especially.

yellowantphil

I think he’s one of the people who wanted an entire plane

tchrist

His name doesn't ring bells, and many there do.

yellowantphil

for localizable sentences, or base-16383 numbers, or something

he’s often unintentionally funny

tchrist

localizable sentences aren't, really, about, Unicode.

yellowantphil

but everything can be in codepoints! EVERYTHING!!!!!

tchrist

2:18 AM

bits

yellowantphil

I posted to that list once, if you happen to remember every message ever on the list

tchrist

You meant bit everything.

yellowantphil

I think I was replying to Overington, actually

tchrist

I would only remember it if had begun a great craziness.

yellowantphil

he wanted a technology that allowed colors in fonts

I replied and told him about Postscript type 3

he continued talking about this hypothetical, wonderful technology

tchrist

2:19 AM

blackmoji

yellowantphil

no one has ever figured out how to put colors in fonts. Ever. Never mind PostScript type 3 and SVG fonts

he doesn’t often make sense

tchrist

Bits dream only colorless green overflows.

yellowantphil

too much unicode makes the other taverners run away

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hichris123

We're alive. Kinda.

tchrist

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yellowantphil

2:25 AM

I hack SE to transmit my text as Windows-1252

rearranged as if it were EBCDIC

Which EBCDIC?

all of them

There are so many.

I use the Windows-1252 version of EBCDIC

Windows-1252 is sort of nice in that it fits almost every character I used to type into one byte

that went out the window after I started typing cats 🐱

tchrist

It is not ISO.

It fakes it.

It is evil.

yellowantphil

2:27 AM

no more evil than anything else from MS

tchrist

Evil.

Evil is evil.

All evil.

yellowantphil

what about CP437?

my favorite encoding

I only like Unicode because it contains the entirety of CP437

tchrist

There it none good amongst them, no not one.

They are all deprecated legacy miscodings.

yellowantphil

I spent ages typing in mazes in the DOS editor using CP437

alt+179 gives a vertical bar

I typed that one a billion times

tchrist

Rogue draws its own maze.

yellowantphil

2:30 AM

I had no Rogue. Just me and EDIT

tchrist

How can you ever type in vi without having played a few years of classic video games like Rogue? You will never reach enlightenment.

yellowantphil

I could not type in vi at 6 years old

I’ve played some nethack but I die way too much

tchrist

Nor could I, for Bill had not written it yet.

nethack counts.

larn.

srogue

All hone your editing skills until you are one with the file and there is no editing only desire.

yellowantphil

I learned vi from a book on UNIX that my dad has

Doorknob

Yay Nethack is best game \o/

yellowantphil

2:33 AM

it said it was the only editor that you could guarantee would be installed, besides stuff like ed

Doorknob

And Vim is the best text editor, of course

yellowantphil

of course

tchrist

How ironic. I taught my mom vi for her second semester of assembly language.

> Zenclavier: Extreme Keyboarding

yellowantphil

that animal thing just blinked at me

tchrist

Dennis has some quote about rogue wasting more cycles than everything else put together.

Sure it did, sure it did.

By about 40 hours without sleep, everything winks at you.

yellowantphil

2:35 AM

hmm, vi as a rouge variant

by 40 hours without sleep, I would die

user259867

6

Q: Moderators Pro Tempore, on a sturdy tray covered by plastic bowls

Throughout the beta, we need members from the site whose focus is to engage the community, both in community-building issues and site management. That's why we select a few members from each community to act as temporary, provisional Moderators. You can read about the program here: Moderators Pro...

tchrist

That seems like an unhealthy job.

hichris123

That's so two hours ago.

user259867

I like the choice, but didn't @Anongoodnurse decline? — Sterno 30 mins ago

user259867

She must have received an offer she couldn't refuse...

tchrist

2:37 AM

@yellowantphil That's possible, but probably not.

Roombatron5000

@user147263 Congrats @michaelpri!

yellowantphil

I’m not going to test it

tchrist

I would not recommend it.

Speaking from experience.

yellowantphil

I had a hard limit of 26 hours awake in college

it’s probably lower now

tchrist

Every week I had at least one double-all-nighter from grades 16–18, and several all nighters.

Two doubles in a week hurt.

yellowantphil

2:38 AM

I did 26 hours awake, 2 asleep for 3 or 4 days in a row, and I was fine ← did that only once

woke up without an alarm each time

Roombatron5000

Besides super-mod employees, which users are mods on the most number of sites?

bjb568

Wait, then how do people vote on my posts? — bjb568 6 secs ago

Doorknob

Either ChrisF or Rory, I'd guess

AstroCB

How Sleep Deprivation Decays the Mind and Body

Just dropping the link – if I tried to endorse it, I'd be a hypocrite.

tchrist

@AstroCB Quite right.

bjb568

2:41 AM

@AstroCB blames the bureaucracy for not starting skewl at noon

AstroCB

@bjb568 If school started at noon, you'd be up until 5 AM doing homework every night.

Or at least, that's how I see it.

bjb568

No.

Study more psychology.

AstroCB

@bjb568 Right.

tchrist

There’s no reason for the day not to start at 4am.

bjb568

Quite right.

AstroCB

2:43 AM

@tchrist Circadian rhythms.

bjb568

@AstroCB doesn't really work naturally now

tchrist

There are only two kinds of people in the world: morning people

and slackers.

yellowantphil

depends on how messed up your timezone is

Roombatron5000

school should just be online

yellowantphil

solar noon comes at 1:30 PM around here during the summer

bjb568

2:43 AM

@Roombatron5000 that doesn't work for all cases

@yellowantphil dst

yellowantphil

Alaska has the wrong timezone all year long

tchrist

DST does not affect me. I am immune.

I get up the same time no matter what the clock says.

bjb568

@tchrist no, different personality types, something about creativity, yadayada

yellowantphil

as well as most of China and Russia and other places

tchrist

And it is always too damned early.

bjb568

2:44 AM

@tchrist Isn't there a timezone that's off by 15m?

tchrist

@bjb568 The lengths people go to for self-justification of their own sloth is incredible.

AstroCB

Now coming to food trucks: high-end Spam

yellowantphil

mmm spam

bjb568

ymmmmmm

Roombatron5000

@tchrist some people would rather be awake when everyone else is sleeping

tchrist

2:45 AM

And I am not just making this up. The stalkers know my roundhereness profile.

There are only three timezones.

Daytime, nighttime, and the gloaming in between.

yellowantphil

I set the computer clock in my living room to UTC-6.5

tchrist

I don’t think that will throw off the CIA. Try metric instead.

yellowantphil

it’s mean solar time for my location within a minute

I’m really UTC-6.4997 or something, but who’s counting

bjb568

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tree

yellowantphil

trois

bjb568

2:47 AM

fiddy

Roombatron5000

@tchrist not the mi6

user259867

@Roombatron5000 Rory is way ahead with 7 sites; ChrisF and Monica are tied at 4. stackexchange.com/about/moderators?by=users

EST is all you need.

!xkcd find CIA

2:48 AM

!xkcd find EST

xkcdBot

The month names are the same, except that the fourth month only has the name 'April' in even-numbered years, and is otherwise unnamed.

tchrist

Metric time is better: 100 metric seconds per metric minutes, 100 metric minutes per metric hour, 100 metric decihours per ~~solar~~ metric day.

yellowantphil

I am skeptical

tchrist

It is superior.

It is metric.

Bow before it.

yellowantphil

who’s afraid of base 60?

tchrist

2:51 AM

How many Babylonians do you know?

yellowantphil

lots

tchrist

You probably think there is half a circle between the freezing and boiling points of water, too.

yellowantphil

I don’t know anything about circles of freezing water

tchrist

Oh wait, there is.

Never mind.

The great thing about metric time is that they'll raise all the highway speeds to 180 mph.

michaelpri

@Roombatron5000 Thanks :)

tchrist

2:53 AM

Think of how much happier people will be.

yellowantphil

can we just raise highway speeds without metric time?

tchrist

And there will be a lot of new jobs putting up the signs.

And clocks, the clocks will be marvelous pentagrams traversed twice for 10 metric hours per day, in clockwise order of course.

yellowantphil

let’s just switch everything to base 60

it gives more space between the metric prefixes. finding new ones is getting difficult

what am I supposed to do when I have a 1000-yottabyte hard disk?

tchrist

1am and 1pm will both be at 72 degrees, 2am and 2pm will be at 216 degree, 3am and 3pm will be at 0 degrees where it belongs, 4am and 4pm will be at 144 degrees, and 5am and 5pm will be at 288 degrees.

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yellowantphil

2:57 AM

don’t you want 100 degrees to form a circle?

tchrist

@yellowantphil trade in all your tiles for a z

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@user147263 Blacklisted user.

tchrist

@yellowantphil I was converting to your system so can understand it. I can give you old clock hours instead if you would like.

The coolest thing about pentgram clocks is the way they lift up through the z-axis from one hour to jump 144 degrees of the circle across the zenith to the next hour.

For obvious reason, the metric minute hands and metric second hands make other arrangements from the metric hour hands.

It will be much easier to tell time this way.

Clock arithmetic is trivial.

And dividing the circle into only 5 hours twice will make it much easier for people to tell what time it is from a distance.

12 is too hard. The angle is too small.

yellowantphil

I guess you don’t like digital clocks

tchrist

3:02 AM

What ever gave you that idea? :)

yellowantphil

I just have my phone say what time it is every 15 minutes

when I’m at home

tchrist

No one over the age of 10 wears a stupid digital watch. Analogue readout is so far above digital readout it is a joke.

yellowantphil

if my phone talks to me, I don’t have to remember to check the time

tchrist

Look outside.

yellowantphil

it’s dark

could be anywhere between 8 pm and 7 am

tchrist

3:04 AM

There are only three timezones: daytime, nighttime, and the gloaming in between

Which tell you to sleep.

I need to say good night, feel.

yellowantphil

gloaming is done?

tchrist

Lo an hour past.

yellowantphil

🌙

💤 ← my font picked a really dull glyph for this

tchrist

My impersonator has arriven.

user259867

> you'll have your elections several weeks after graduation

user259867

3:09 AM

This sounds like "3 meters east of Cincinnati"

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yellowantphil

!xkcd random

xkcdBot

@yellowantphil Unrecognized command. Use !xkcd commands for a list of commands.

yellowantphil

!xkcd commands

bah

!xkcd commands

xkcdBot

about – Get information about xkcdBot.
find [searchTerms] – Search for xkcd comics with Google (100 queries/day).
[comic ID] – Post oneboxed comic.
last – Onebox most recent xkcd.
blame( [user]) – Find out who's to blame for your maladies.
owner – Find out who owns xkcdBot.
status – Get xkcdBot's status.

Usage: !xkcd [command][ params( optional params)]

Anonymous

3:23 AM

@xkcdBot Line 1
@z Line 2

Anonymous

This is a test @xkcdBot
A test!

tchrist

Whose blame is my ladies' again please?

yellowantphil

we need the Jeremy Banks index, where 0 = capricious and 10 = responsible

what is tonight’s Jeremy index?

tchrist’s impersonator has arrived?

tchrist

I suggest centering at zero.

You may use ones-complement if it helps.

yellowantphil

tchrist can sleep-type

Anonymous

3:26 AM

I need to stay mostly-responsible now, so it's pretty high.

yellowantphil

that’s a slight relief

I’ll call it a 7

tchrist

I am in bed, a pus^H^H^Hkitty to either side of me.

yellowantphil

wait a minute, there are children present

tchrist

TOS=ENOKIDS

2

yellowantphil

no comprendo

Jason C

3:28 AM

@tchrist = Not our problem.

Santa Claus

!xkcd ios

xkcdBot

@SantaClaus Unrecognized command. Use !xkcd commands for a list of commands.

Santa Claus

!xkcd find ios

xkcdBot

More actual results: 'Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You [are the best. The best thing ever]', 'Revenge is a dish best served [by a group of people in my room]', and 'They may take our lives, but they'll never take our [money].'

tchrist

i o i o it's off to bed we go

SmokeDetector

3:30 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: COMO SALVAR UMA LISTA DE ELEMENTOS COM SHAREDPREFERENCES by Stefhany Oliveira on pt.stackoverflow.com

yellowantphil

I’m out of here 🏃

SmokeDetector

3:43 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why did Neo have powers in the real world? by Jörgen Van Der Zee on movies.stackexchange.com

Jason C

@bjb

Mwahaha

Santa Claus

You're good

James

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/29812632/… too broad

Santa Claus

@JasonC Woah you got by the nofollow there...thats bad chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/3349828/history

Jason C

fist pump

SmokeDetector

3:47 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: \\pic: undefined control sequence by Jack on tex.stackexchange.com

Braiam

> They may take our lives, but they'll never take our [money].

2

O_O

user259867

user259867

The decline and fall of Stack Overflow.

user259867

More accurately, stagnation and a little boost from localized sites.

user259867

Measured in global monthly uniques.

Jason C

3:58 AM

Welp:

Wait.

It's not pretty, but I was able to reconstruct most of the vote progress from Fiddler logs.

@JeremyBanks ^

Now I can compare it to nomination post revision times.

bjb568

kewl

Jason C

It's too bad I didn't start until a couple hours in.

Anonymous

@JasonC That's awesome, neat, thanks!

bjb568

WORDINESS AND GOBBLEDYGOOK _ EXERCISES

ok, there, man?

@JasonC log y axis?

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Jason C

4:11 AM

bjb568

yay

Jason C

@bjb568 It's a little cra, but maybe if I clean it up. I put tick marks on Amit's just to visualize where my gaps in samples are.

bjb568

Remove the null values and draw a straight line thru them?

Jason C

Kind of a bummer I'm missing so much in the middle. But it's probably pretty flat there anyways.

bjb568

Make it an SVG?

Jason C

4:13 AM

Yeah that's pretty raw; I generated a CSV file parsing like 110,000 http session text files from fiddler, and plopped it into kst. So it's rough.

I need to filter out the corrupt values still.

Mostly I just wanted to show that I got the data.

Anonymous

You got it!

bjb568

yay

Jason C

I want to turn it into a little animated unicorn race or something, lol.

bjb568

Animated SVG unicorn race!

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Alexis King

4:18 AM

I feel bad for answering a low-quality question, but it's scheme, which gets so few questions as-is. :(

I guess it's a guilty pleasure. :p

Infinite Recursion

:p

2 hours ago, by yellowantphil

too much unicode makes the other taverners run away

Braiam

that's how you should be for answering scheme questions

Alexis King

But I love Scheme! D:

Infinite Recursion

@Roombatron5000 The new profile doesn't have a "delete profile" button, so I nuked my drupal account before they get the new profile upgrade. Just letting you know, since you too may prefer easy deletion of your profile before they update.

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Infinite Recursion

4:28 AM

I have to request my ELU profile deletion using contact us . . .

Alexis King

Why are you deleting your ELU profile?

Infinite Recursion

I don't like that site. I created it for flagging, but the experience after that was not to good, to put it politely.

Alexis King

Oh really? I've barely used it, but the times I have I've found it to be okay.

Care to elaborate, or would you rather not?

Braiam

@InfiniteRecursion it's there...

bjb568

@Braiam jpg

Braiam

4:32 AM

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Black style help for older white piano player by Debbie Benfield on music.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector Uhhhhh

bjb568

@Braiam should be red. contrast is too low for the grey text

Infinite Recursion

@AlexisKing I prefer not to.

@Braiam Thanks for finding it. I missed it.

Jason C

@Braiam Boo, no antialiasing.

user259867

4:36 AM

> The songs they sing are "Never would have made it"; "Sometimes you have to encourage yourself", "Be blessed my brother", "Nothing else matters", and so forth.

Infinite Recursion

@bjb568 Post a bug. Refer nicael's bug reports before posting it.

user259867

Um, the last one is by Metallica?

Alexis King

@InfiniteRecursion That's fine.

Infinite Recursion

@user147263 Please choose an avatar.

Jason C

Ha, there's still two people connected to the vote monitor.

user259867

4:40 AM

I've been strolling through the forsaken land of Web Apps where hardly anyone votes anymore... Some interesting finds there.

user259867

0

Q: Organization de

I screwed up! I had two organizations with the same company name, Hollern & Associates, and I inadvertently deleted the wrong organization that had all my forms. Is there any way to recoop them? I my GOSH!!!

cognito-forms

Infinite Recursion

New avatar options include: bjb569 is uppercase, byechris321 and Nog Shine.

Jason C

@bjb568 You're still connected to the vote monitor, lol. I recognize that IP address.

user259867

@InfiniteRecursion After @hichris123

Jason C

Go away.

bjb568

4:42 AM

@InfiniteRecursion Nog shine? But I don't like eggnog! nor moonshine probably, tho I've never had it!

user259867

Wait, by "avatar" I always understood a picture, not a display name. Anyway, I'm temporarily out of both. Overspent the budget.

bjb568

same

Jason C

Unless it's your bot. In which case, carry on.

Infinite Recursion

Find appropriate avatars for these display names :)

Nog Shine is from an old Meta post @BJB. I will try to find it.

bjb568

58

A: How should sockpuppets be handled on Stack Exchange?

How can I be sure I'm looking at a sockpuppet? You can't ever be 100% sure. What you think is a sockpuppet could in fact be my good friend Nog Shine, who loves everything I write, copies my writing style, and uses my computer to vote and post stuff when I step away for coffee. But in practice, ...

haha, too slow, DDG is kewl and fast and efficient and awesomesauce so me likey!

til math.stackexchange.com/a/1247592/166367

Shog9

4:53 AM

nothing is better than DD at finding awesome posts on Stack Exchange

bjb568

… that's DDG

Shog9

@bjb568 moonshine eggnog is pretty good stuff.

gotta use fresh-grated nutmeg though

avoid that nasty metallic taste

@InfiniteRecursion EL&U is pretty OK, but you gotta avoid the chatroom at all cost. And @tchrist.

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bummi

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

James

5:01 AM

is it just me or are the spammers quiet today?

Shog9

lazy

Andy

That's the best kind of spammer

Shog9

that's the only kind of spammer

Andy

I'm not sure. Some appear to be pretty motivated to do stuff.

Of course, that's on the internet, so we should believe that it is completely true

James

5:22 AM

@Andy that's brilliant

SilentKiller

morning morning

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bummi

morning

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Effective ways to Build Muscle by Karin Wulf on askubuntu.com

bummi

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

5:27 AM

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

bummi

who was complaining about missing spam? gaming.stackexchange.com/a/215077/93824

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Why do i change into a vampire? The Elder Scroll: Skyrim by james on gaming.stackexchange.com

James

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@James Blacklisted user.

user259867

@Shog9 Have you tried flagging spam on mobile site with the new dialog? The link really gets in the way... And I don't even find it helpful to new flaggers, because it's written as advice to posters.

bummi

5:33 AM

spam superuser.com/q/905014/172747

Shog9

Just flagged that from my phone

Took me a few taps to hit the link

The whole containing div is a hittarget, @user147263

bummi

spam superuser.com/q/905016/172747

Shog9

I find your new name more annoying on mobile, but if it's seriously hindering you then post a fr - we can maybe add whitespace

SilentKiller