Tavern on the Meta

8:04 PM

I'll make it easy for you: whenever you see a PHP question in triage, it's probably unsalvageable. — BoltClock ♦ 14 hours ago

user259867

Stats election entered the final phase. Number of positions = number of viable candidates. Easiest voting decision ever.

Alexis King

I find it odd that two of those candidates have 400-500 rep, one has ~14k, and the other has 95k.

That's a pretty massive discrepancy.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: INTERNET EXPLORER9 ON WINDOWS 8.1 POSSIBLE? by tina gibson on stackoverflow.com

user259867

> I NEED TO USE IT FOR GOVERNMENT WEBSITES THAT I WORK WITH

user259867

Yup, that explains things about some governments.

Alexis King

8:09 PM

> IT SAYS ITS NOT COMPATIBILITY WITH MY WINDOWS 8.1

Frank

haha

Alexis King

COMPATIBILITY IS DISAPPEAR

rene

@Woodface Yes, it does. I have to support Windows XP with IE8...

Andy

@Woodface I'm not a member on Stats, but this post is fairly lack luster:

> I like statistics and finance, which I also studied at Bachelor and Master level. Therefore I would like to also become a moderator for the site with a focus on undergrad questions.

Jan Dvorak

closed

Andy

8:10 PM

"Eh...might as well run, no one will oppose me"

Alexis King

@Andy Still better than the mods on Lifehacks. :P

Jan Dvorak

LH might suck, but the mods are ours...

user259867

@AlexisKing The two high-reps have between 1000 and 2000 reviews (reasonable for the medium-sized site). The two other candidates have 1 review combined.

Frank

@AlexisKing Uh, thanks? ...

Alexis King

@Frank Hey, it's your fault for associating yourself with that abomination.

user259867

8:12 PM

Lifehacks didn't have mod elections.

Frank

^^

Andy

@Frank You are not taking it out of context properly:

Alexis King

I know, I'm just teasing. :P

Andy

> better mods on Lifehacks.

Shog9

Better hope that Musser guy doesn't show up here. He's gonna be really bummed about all the shit-talking y'all do.

Frank

8:13 PM

@Shog9 I'll go ping him.

user273376

I no shit talk

Shog9

no shit

user259867

It's okay until meta chat gets merged with SE chat. He can't be in blue here.

Frank

where did you come from, @Sab? :P

@Woodface wat? That better not happen

user273376

I came from my mother, @Frank

Shog9

8:14 PM

anyone can be blue in here. They just have to read too many of @bjb's comments.

5

Frank

@SabreTooth huh. so unusual...

user259867

23

Q: Assimilate chat.MSE into chat.SE

Recently, there was a user in the Tavern who was... um, either highly delusional or a bot. In any case, since unfortunately no employees were around at the time, it took us almost a full hour to get enough people to spam/offensive/abusive flag one of his messages in order to get a measly 30-minut...

user259867

status-deferred

user273376

@Frank it was 38 and a half years ago..

Shog9

@JasonC huh. So "no" is a stop-word but "yes" isn't? Y U SO NEGATIVE, CHAT?

user273376

8:15 PM

I have been here for over an hour

Alexis King

I'm still salty because I missed @Mooseman's gif.

user273376

@Frank I came here to show off my comment - it's above,

Frank

@SabreTooth seen it from ES chat.

user273376

there you go!

Jason C

@AlexisKing Me too.

Frank

8:19 PM

@AlexisKing In that case, some abominations are AWESOME!

Jason C

@SmokeDetector Weirdly, there's not a capital letter to be found in her user name.

user273376

LifeHacks.... no comment

Alexis King

@Frank I know! (source: I recently ate some cheesecake.)

Frank

@AlexisKing and bacon!

Alexis King

Cheesecake wrapped in bacon!

Frank

8:21 PM

@AlexisKing Deep fried!

Alexis King

I'm not sure how I'd do that with my usual kitchen appliances. I'll go ask a question about it on Lifehacks.

James

You know, I came here thinking I'd learn a bit more about MSE, maybe ask a Q or two. But no, you're talking about Deep fried bacon cheesecakes...

bjb568

@Shog9 huh?

Alexis King

> huh?

— @bjb568, 2015

Shog9

Eiffel 65 - Blue (Da Ba Dee)

►

user273376

8:25 PM

LifeHacks... the Walmart of SE

Frank

@SabreTooth ... that would be SO

Lifehacks is the rec center.

user273376

lol, I would have thought it was the homewares department of Walmart

Frank

@SabreTooth haha

user273376

I am still very curious to see a 'lifehacks expert', maybe they work in walmart?

Jan Dvorak

@SabreTooth macGyver

Frank

8:29 PM

@SabreTooth @Mooseman and @michaelpri, possibly? They're quite good.

user273376

@JanDvorak lol

user273376

@Frank possibly

Alexis King

@SabreTooth I'll open a question on LH's meta requesting to burninate all the tags on the site due to lack of experts with witty titles like "What are we [cleaning]?" and "Do we need [efficiency]?"

user273376

@AlexisKing lol

Alexis King

If Metas had reputation, I'd totally farm so much rep from burninate requests. :(

Frank

8:34 PM

@AlexisKing actually, no. You would get dv's, notifications, and eventually question bans... :D

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 will the team intervene somehow in the fate of the Coffee site? 0.6 questions per day sounds like a fatal illness.

Shog9

Sounds like they need some sort of stimulant

2

Alexis King

@Frank Meta SO begs to differ.

Frank

@ShadowWizard what about community builders?

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 Coffagra?

Frank

8:35 PM

@AlexisKing so SO is not really anything like LH... believe me.

Shog9

@ShadowWizard pivot to cocaine.stackexchange.com

Alexis King

@Frank Oh, I was referring to SO with my rep-farming comment, not LH. :P

Shog9

make decaf off-topic

Shadow Wizard

lol

so I take this as a "no" ]:

Shog9

quadrupleshotespresso.stackexchange.com

Frank

8:37 PM

@ShadowWizard but 61 visits a day is really impressive.

Shadow Wizard

@Frank those who committed as experts should have been those builders, but...

(I feel little bad too, but my knowledge about coffee sums up in drinking it :))

Alexis King

> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the OP could pass a drug test.

Shadow Wizard

@AlexisKing wrong reply, think you meant it as reply to this, no?

Frank

1,579 visits a day on LH - much healthier than 61.

James

Would you flag this as spam? stackoverflow.com/a/29219573/2632129

It's more self promotion, but aint a flag for that

Shadow Wizard

8:39 PM

@Frank yup. hacks more interesting than coffee

Alexis King

@ShadowWizard No, my reply was intentional, but that's probably funnier. :P

Shadow Wizard

@Frank yeah, but team can't do anything about it. They can however ask a bunch of questions themselves to try and revive the site, question-wise at least.

Alexis King

@James I think that qualifies as spam.

Frank

@James no, not monetal. And they did put in their affiliation.

but still lq

@ShadowWizard GL is up to 5,362 visits/day. Good for a slow beta...

Shadow Wizard

@James no flag, just DV if you feel like that, and it might be better suited as comment.

@Frank yeah, guess GL will graduate at some point :)

James

8:42 PM

k ta all.

Frank

25 visits a day is... looking bad.

237

Moderators – communitybuilding.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for people building, administering, managing and cultivating digital communities

Currently in public beta.

Alexis King

@Frank Oh, the irony.

Frank

ikr

SmokeDetector

9:02 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Microsoft Emulated IDE Controller Error by Lol on serverfault.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Blacklisted user.

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: AIX Version 7.1 curl sftp/SSH transfer not allowing filenames longer than 8 characters by Neil Pratt on unix.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector fp

Lynn Crumbling

9:14 PM

@rene laugh > You might want to read How to Ask for guidance. We need that urgently because you need urgent help.

rene

:)

Always happy when I made someone smile...

Undo

9:27 PM

yaaaaay for 40Mbit connection.

Kevin Brown

@Frank I think there are a few that are in the same state, not many active visitors

Doorknob

@Undo bleeeeeeegh for ~12mpbs connection.

Frank

@KevinBrown this is the worst I could find... :P

Kevin Brown

@Frank Coffee, HSM, and Engineering aren't doing much better. But Moderators does appear to be the worst.

user259867

The infamous sad-bottom-of-sites-list stackexchange.com/sites#traffic

user259867

9:43 PM

But tomorrow there will (probably) a beta launch of an exciting new site!

user259867

> for administrators and users of the CiviCRM Constituent Relationship Management software.

user259867

shivering with anticipation

Jason C

Do sites have to go out of beta before they get their own visual themes?

user259867

@JasonC Yes. Normally, the two events are (nearly) simultaneous.

user259867

But SE is trying out a new thing, where going out of beta comes without a custom theme. Congratulations! You're about to graduate… with a twist

Kevin Brown

9:48 PM

Mechanics and Magento are the two most popular sites that aren't in the graduation queue. Raspberry Pi is the next one after them.

Jason C

Oh interesting.

@KevinBrown Yeah incidentally mechanics is the one that prompted me to ask that.

Kevin Brown

I think all three of them are going through self evaluations this month

Confirmed: Magento, Mechanics, Raspberry Pi

Frank

@KevinBrown mechanics is only 88% answered...

Kevin Brown

Magento is at 79%, but it also gets ~45 questions per day

Frank

GL is at 99% cuz we actually have expert(s) there.

Jason C

9:53 PM

SO is like 75% I think

Frank

>:-]

Jason C

Well I gotta work; peace.

Kevin Brown

Android is the lowest with 64% answered

Frank

peace out

I wonder why lifehacks looks so healthy, if no one but me likes it? area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/64409/lifehacks

user259867

Blog - Stack Exchange: The Trouble With Popularity

Jeff Atwood on January 31, 2012

Way back in 2008, we had Alexis Ohanian and Steve Huffman, the founders and co-creators of Reddit, on the Stack Overflow podcast. We chatted about a bunch of stuff, but one of the things they said that always stuck with me was that Reddit always took an explicitly hands-off, no moderation approach to their content from the very beginning.

I found that a bit shocking, since I’ve… never seen that work. Certainly on Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange we are very much pro-moderation — and more so with every passing year. We have literally hundreds of community moderators. We spend …

Frank

9:59 PM

@Woodface So? ..

user259867

You pointed to popularity metrics and said "so healthy". So there.

Frank

@Woodface 'no one but me likes it' =! 'so healthy'

Shog9

I assumed you meant SO healthy, as in "healthy like Stack Overflow".

Frank

@Shog9 lolno

Anonymous

@Shog9 You were SO wrong.

Shog9

10:07 PM

so, distasteful but functional and without any explanation for why

sounds about right

SO RIGHT

bjb568

@JeremyBanks hallo where can i find SO right

user259867

SO is pretty healthy in the tags I look at, compared to another site I frequent.

bjb568

:p

DD's questions are great.

Mooseman

^^ Tried that once. :p

user259867

This is what team@ inbox probably looks like.

bjb568

10:16 PM

@Mooseman tries it just for teh lulz

to a disposable email addr

Mooseman

@bjb568 Check if your hosting company has an email quota. I did that with a preview site once...

Kevin Brown

I almost made that mistake once, but learned quickly that our exception handler wasn't actually triggering emails (because of an exception).

bjb568

lel

Well, I can't figure out how…

Mooseman

@KevinBrown The only time you were happy about a bug?

bjb568

root@yrrl-5vnx:/home/bjb568# forever logs
warn:    No forever logfiles in /root/.forever
root@yrrl-5vnx:/home/bjb568# ls /root/.forever
config.json  kPwI.log  MCkJ.log  P8IM.log  pids  sock
root@yrrl-5vnx:/home/bjb568# forever list
info:    No forever processes running

wat

Hm… I think I might of fixed it before by stopping all forever processes.

KILL THEM ALLLL

(I'm not a good sysadmin)

bjb568

10:44 PM

Anyone know how to make it send me an email every time the log file is appended to?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: "Improvement in/on/of/to something" by user114713 on english.stackexchange.com

Alexis King

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@AlexisKing Blacklisted user.

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Registered answer as false positive.

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: spectral radius matlab code by italy on math.stackexchange.com

user259867

10:59 PM

VLQ... out of votes

user259867

> Use what you learned about the abs and max functions, and recall the definition of spectral radius to explain ...

user259867

I think the insta-closing dialog should be expanded to other closing reasons.

user259867

2

user259867

Clicking the first button instantly closes and deletes the question.

hichris123

because offending people is always the answer.

Jason C

11:04 PM

I parked my car in this totally illegal place last Thursday and forgot about it. Now I've got a $150 ticket + $180 + 5 days * $50 = $580 fine. And no car.

Clicks "Yes, I'm a moron..."

user259867

I leave it for Jaydles to come up with a polite version.

Jason C

@Woodface I keep trying to click "Yes" but it just opens your dialog by itself in a new tab, and clicking there doesn't work. Am I missing something?

Is it a problem with my cookies?

hichris123

No, you need more RAM.

bjb568

@Woodface Looks good.

user259867

Feel free to use it on DD.

Jason C

11:09 PM

But I just defragmented my hard drive so I should have plenty of RAM.

bjb568

Yup.

Alexis King

@JasonC It's probably caching.

Jason C

Ohhh that explains it thanks. I'll try to disable it in the registry.

hichris123

@JasonC naw, come now. We all know you can only get Genuine RAM™ from a fancy internet site.

Kevin Brown

I've been told that deleting C:\ might speed things up

bjb568

11:10 PM

"It appears your question may not be be as good as it could be. [I suck] [Ok, I'll edit it]"

Nah…

Alexis King

@bjb568 -1 not enough jquery

Jason C

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN DOWNLAOD FREE RAM?

bjb568

Not loaded enough…

Jason C

I should go ask that on SU.

hichris123

"It appears this dialog box is useless and may not be as good as it could be."

bjb568

11:10 PM

@JasonC I THINK YOU CAN ON TEH INTERWABS!

hichris123

@JasonC done

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 7 '14 at 15:37, by Undo

is it illegal to download ram? I am ok if I need to use a fishy site. — jOE 2 mins ago

Jason C

Lol!

Alexis King

@JasonC I NEED RAM IS APPEAR

hichris123

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 7 '14 at 15:37, by hichris123

-2

Q: URGENT! I screwed up my moms laptop

So I was downloading naughty things and accidently installed several pieces of software. Now the computer is running super slow. It takes about 20 minutes to boot up whereas before it took around 2. I think it is low on ram so I googledand a site told me to download more. So how do I go about dow...

windows-7

Frank

⎽⎽⎽⎽

Jason C

11:12 PM

I really need 10k on SU.

Alexis King

You know, I consider myself lucky to be a part of a chatroom with all the top minds of SE.

This place is a real bastion of intellectual discourse.

hichris123

+1

Jason C

INTELLIGENTS IS DISAPPEAR

hichris123

amazing discourse.

bjb568

"1 or more people have suggested that this question must be improved to remain on the site. [ul of reasons] Always make sure your question is on-topic and presented to the best of your abilities. [This question should be closed] [I will edit this question.]" (all answers invisible until one action chosen, edits must go thru "is it a crappy edit" queue)

Alexis King

11:14 PM

Tavern on the Meta: Filled with intellectuals of the modern age... and @bjb568.

bjb568

:D

Alexis King

jk <3 @bjb

hichris123

@AlexisKing wild the snuck in there. Otherwise you'd get a star.

Frank

<-- != intellectual

hichris123

@bjb568 er... wut?

bjb568

11:15 PM

Agh, I'm bad at wording.

Frank

♫ nonchalant humming ♫

hichris123

If you ever want to kill a user interface design nerd just show them this picture. http://i.imgur.com/0dEvW6p.jpg

Tweeted by XaiaX on March 23, 2015 at 9:58 PM

Alexis King

@Frank Well, it's all relative. I'd consider you an intellectual, for a tree.

bjb568

D:

On a mac too D:

:O

:(

Alexis King

ow

bjb568

11:16 PM

;(

Frank

@AlexisKing lol

bjb568

downloadmoreram.com/download.html

Jason C

@hichris123 It's fine it has a "message center".

Alexis King

A little late to the party there, @bjb.

bjb568

Aw

hichris123

11:18 PM

@JasonC I see we got a UI intellectual here!

Frank

✄ for my hair soon

Alexis King

brb, making an account on UX.SE behind seven proxies

Shog9

Clippers are faster

Jason C

Fire is fastest.

Shog9

yeah, but... Burning hair smells awful.

Jason C

11:20 PM

Also I don't think there's a Unicode symbol for clippers.

hichris123

nah, not having hair in the first place is faster.

Shog9

Unicode has failed again. No one is surprised.

bjb568

at least a black guy with a frowny face is there

while others can't write their name

stares pointedly at asiayplace

Alexis King

At this point, it's only a matter of time before Unicode is just an unnecessarily verbose way of specifying bitmaps.

Jason C

@Shog9 Nonsense. They gave us "POO, PILE OF" in version 6. Great success.

hichris123

11:22 PM

💇 seems a little... unsafe...

Alexis King

@hichris123 Apparently using 💇as a name for a Wikipedia article redirects to "Beauty Salon".

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What is the use for emeralds? by Eric on gaming.stackexchange.com

hichris123

@AlexisKing hah

Shog9

@AlexisKing Makes sense. Many beauty salons are small, hollow boxes.

hichris123

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

11:23 PM

@hichris123 Blacklisted user.

Alexis King

@Shog9 Hmm, what was that quote from a day or two ago...?

hichris123

@Shog9 It renders in Chrome 43 for Windows!

Alexis King

2 days ago, by Braiam

@Unihedro get a real browser on a real OS

Jason C

Oh. Damn you!

Alexis King

Hehe, ninja'd.

SmokeDetector

11:24 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: How should wireless technology names be hyphenated and capitalized? by Hussin Mostafa on english.stackexchange.com

Alexis King

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@AlexisKing Blacklisted user.

Shog9

Oh, you mean one of those browsers that doesn't render CSS correctly but has tons of support for gaudy colored fonts? Yeah, I'll get right on that.

Alexis King

@Shog9 Hey, my browser gets 100/100 on Acid3.

hichris123

@SmokeDetector lol that was spam

Alexis King

11:26 PM

Or would you prefer to use the Stallman approach and just wget webpages?

Shog9

@AlexisKing Chrome 41?

Alexis King

@Shog9 Mhmm.

Jason C

@AlexisKing Yeah, so do I:

Looks right to me.

Alexis King

@JasonC Nailed it.

Anonymous

"Acid" really is a poor choice of name for a test of visual accuracy.

hichris123

11:29 PM

@AlexisKing On Linux?

Alexis King

@hichris123 OS X at the moment.

hichris123

ah.

Ugh, now I need to test Linux's Chrome unicode support.

Alexis King

Just spin up a VM.

hichris123

but I actually have an Ubuntu machine.

that just means I have to walk upstairs.

Alexis King

Just SSH i— oh wait.

Jason C

11:32 PM

I bet more people would use Linux if they didn't have to walk up a flight of stairs to get to their Linux machines.

Alexis King

@JasonC It's a beautiful metaphor for Linux's steep learning curve.

hichris123

It's also a repurposed '03 XP machine.

Alexis King

Ouch. I hope you're not trying to run Unity on that.

hichris123

nah, gnome.

bjb568

Easy Computer Repair Tutorial

►

@AlexisKing Safari did that almost 5 years ago…

Jason C

11:36 PM

@bjb568 Except, it's Safari.

bjb568

hooray!

Alexis King

Safari's actually okay unless you need any extensibility. Then it's garbage.

bjb568

… how?

I can do anything with me usarskriptz.

Alexis King

It's really good at just browsing, though. Much better battery life than Chrome.

@bjb568 AdBlock on Safari is meh.

hichris123

AdBlock?!

bjb568

11:37 PM

@AlexisKing Works good enough for me.

@hichris123 Yes, suck it up.

It seems FF is the best at the "smooth animation" part of acid.

No browser I've seen is perfect tho.

Obviously FF has an inferior rendering engine.

Alexis King

@bjb568 Except, it's Firefox.

bjb568

Yes.

Alexis King

WebKit master race. \o/

bjb568

:D

hichris123

Yay Chrome!

Alexis King

11:39 PM

guys spartan best browser amirite?

hichris123

@bjb568 AdBlock is still stupid. But we've been over this before.

bjb568

@hichris123 and i winz alwoyz

hichris123

@AlexisKing -1 spartan is the engine

Alexis King

@hichris123 Tragedy of the commons.

hichris123

@AlexisKing yup, pretty much.

Alexis King

11:40 PM

@hichris123 so is webkit

Jason C

Are you guys really arguing about browsers

hichris123

'Rating: 1/5. Room filled to brim with semen, and when front desk clerk opened mouth to talk, bedbugs poured out.'

Alexis King

@JasonC stop it, we're roleplaying 2008

bjb568

Funding from ads is horrible. Fund from teh donations!

hichris123

@AlexisKing You said "spartan best browser". Cmon Alexis!

Alexis King

11:41 PM

@bjb568 Except it doesn't work!

@hichris123 sssshhh

hichris123

@JasonC -1 not on i.stack.imgur.

Hobo Sapiens

@JasonC Uchhhh! makes my stomach churn just looking at it :(

bjb568

@AlexisKing Works better and better as ads stop working.

hichris123

Obviously stack.imgur needs all the gifs.

Alexis King

@bjb568 I hate ads. But we need a better model for funding internet content.

Jason C

11:42 PM

@hichris123 I'll repost properly in a few hours after everybody forgets.

bjb568

@AlexisKing kittehcoin microtransactions?

Alexis King

"Funding via donations" is a great idea until you realize it doesn't work for the same reason communism failed. :)

Frank

@Shog9 because it's protein. Burning protein it the worst.

Jason C

Scalping might be quick too.

hichris123

@AlexisKing That's... a little different. We never did have true communism...

bjb568

11:43 PM

@AlexisKing rebrands as fascism

@hichris123 coz u cant

Alexis King

@hichris123 See, intellectuals!

bjb568

@Frank yeah, I hate all those meats and yummy things

Jason C

Guys! Shh! Somebody just joined the room. Don't let them know how smart we are!

2

hichris123

nah, bjb's the real intellectual.

Alexis King

BACON WRAPPED CHEESECAKE

Jason C

11:44 PM

Yes please.

Frank

3 hours ago, by Frank

@AlexisKing Deep fried!

bjb568

Over rice!

Jason C

Pork fried rice maybe

Alexis King

32 mins ago, by Alexis King

This place is a real bastion of intellectual discourse.

Frank

@bjb568 ugh, no. It's not like we're in third world countries or anything

bjb568

11:46 PM

@BrianTompsett You have so many 0-scored answers… BTW, stop using No Action Needed reviews.

@Frank ;( but… but… I like rice

Jason C

crickets

Alexis King

@bjb568 To be fair, you have 2 pages of 0-scored answers on SO.

bjb568

Yeah, that's like 5 times less than him.

Alexis King

checks her own answers self-consciously

Frank

@bjb568 cat's don't. Therefore, ...

bjb568

11:48 PM

I still don't get what's going on with stackoverflow.com/q/19503781/2371861

hichris123

bjb obviously has amazing answers and doesn't feel self conscious at all.

bjb568

@Frank I'm special.

Jason C

I have 6 pages of 0 scored awesomeness on SO.

bjb568

@hichris123 My last month especially, like oh man, those answers were great.

Frank

@bjb568 Bjb has special needs

Alexis King

11:50 PM

okay, why does this answer have -1?

-1

A: Compare elements of two arrays

What you really have are two sets, not arrays, but unfortunately JavaScript does not provide any sort of "set" datatype. The easiest way to do this type of check is by using some sort of functional JavaScript library, such as lodash. Using lodash's _.union function makes this trivially easy. fu...