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user315433

12:06 AM

Letting regular users do this is already irresponsible. Setting accuracy aside, it misrepresents what the user is doing and who or what is doing the flagging. Another consideration: Flag weight still exists IIRC, just behind-the-scenes -- this allows the user to use a bot to inflate their own trustworthiness in the eyes of the system, giving greater weight to their own manual flags. — Matthew Read 1 hour ago

user315433

Looks like the first critical remark re: autoflagging setup.

user315433

I think "irresponsible" is too strong a word, but IMO it'd be better not to throw open the doors for everyone to flag by proxy.

user315433

A small set of core users, 10 or even fewer, with accounts on all sites, is all that was really needed.

@zaq I'm not sure how it's any different than flagging what smokey already reports, other than the fact you may not always be present when it happens.

user315433

It's different in who makes the decision to flag.

user315433

12:10 AM

When the decision is correct, the system trusts the user more (by allowing them to flag more in the future). But if the decision wasn't really theirs, that trust is misplaced.

@zaq true

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1:23 AM

@ShadowWizard Thanks!

@Andy I created an account on metasmoke (log in with SE) and all was well. Then I closed the tab. Then I went back to the page. I wasn't logged in any more (not sure if that's interesting), and when I clicked sign in -> sign in with SE now I get:

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Also this:

19 hours ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Can a machine be taught to flag spam automatically? by Auzaro Industrial goods on meta.SE

Is freakin' hilarious.

For so many reasons.

1:48 AM

@JasonC for your future info you should direct issues with Metasmoke to @Undo or @ArtOfCode

1 hour later…

2:54 AM

@JasonC Clearing cookies should work. Can look closer later

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Introduction to Topology for 11 year olds by learn indonesian language on matheducators.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: When should a kid have memorized the multiplication table? by user7860 on matheducators.SE

3:11 AM

@Undo @ArtOfCode Also I don't know what this means but there's "Fail"s in the flag log with some error message in the tooltips:

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Andronite Enhanced by nesal aclig on apple.SE

Yep, known. That's an issue with us logging errors we don't need to.

@ArtOfCode Also minor bug in FDSC: If you try to open the flag dialog too quickly and get the "flag dialog can only be opened every 5 seconds" error, when you do open the dialog, the status text will be repeated the number of times you clicked on "flag" while throttled:

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There I clicked 15 times during the throttle message.

@Undo Feature request: in the "recent posts" lists on ms, a filter for ones that haven't been deleted yet so you can go through and flag things when you're bored.

Or, alternatively, a visual indicator of which ones have/haven't been deleted.

user315433

3:30 AM

JoulSauron is no longer a mod on Spanish Language, which is no big surprise (last seen Sep 2016). But quiet demodding like this one make it near impossible to have the accurate record of how the mods come and go. :(

You could automate tracking mods if you wanted to.

user315433

It is automated, in the form of me getting reports like this. But they only go back to when I started doing this.

user202362

3:52 AM

3rd day, first open house, 3 groups turned up, 1 made an offer but I am still waiting to receive tenancy application and do the background check

user202362

the great thing about being the cheapest on the local market

user202362

it's even raining

So you were talking about real estate the other day! It wasn't a metaphor!

user202362

usually bad weather implies less people

Are you selling your house? Or are you in real estate as a business?

Or rental properties?

What do you do?

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE????

user202362

3:54 AM

I take care of family properties (renting them)

Word.

Where at?

user202362

family I meant my parents & I ... we do all the dirty jobs (plumbing, painting, installations etc) and I put out ads & communicating with potential tenants

user202362

@JasonC sydney

user202362

we have 4 rental properties at the moment, I did ads for them all ...

user202362

be able to do dirty jobs as landlords/landladies is actually great, so we don't have to fork out 100 dollars an hour hiring someone

user202362

4:04 AM

when fixing properties, I am a cleaner, labourer, plumber, painter & handy chick all in one

Yes

Having skills does come in handy, lol

Journeyman Geek

4:54 AM

>_>

5:30 AM

>_O

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Percent Comp Quest (Please help i am totally lost pn these problems) by Sarah H on chemistry.SE

@SmokeDetector f

just bad question

6:12 AM

@SmokeDetector fp-

oh

6:30 AM

sd del

6:55 AM

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/291511/… -- What did I miss here? I can't make sense of this comment.

user202362

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lol

That should be the 404 page on the the Pets site.

Although... I wonder if the little dog actually found what it was looking for...

user202362

7:12 AM

:x

user202362

7:27 AM

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user202362

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@JasonC it's about the difference between the "address bar" (always add title slug) and "automatic SE links to title conversion on Q&A post" (link to non-deleted post will be automatically converted to its title, but deleted post won't).... basically what you've explained in the workaround.

The inconsistency is between be able to view its title anyway on the address bar, but not converted automatically in a post.

user202362

7:43 AM

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@JasonC hidden bone?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: 80s/90s Genius teen movie by vote24 on movies.SE

delv-pls 20K something network meta.stackexchange.com/questions/291513/… @Bart @ShadowWizard

@JasonC everything. Try http://ru.stackoverflow.com/questions/605493/%D0%9C%D0%B3% versus http://ru.stackoverflow.com/questions/605493. That is the bug, slug that is encoded doesn't lead to a 404 but ends in the HA-Proxy. Your answer makes no sense, at all. Have my down vote.

8:22 AM

@rene is that what the OP reported? If it's about invalid encoded slug (wild %), then it applies to any posts, not only deleted post. Even that meta post with wild % fails meta.stackexchange.com/questions/291511/%

checking ... I'm just on my second coffee so I might need to wake up first

@qwer yeah, OK ... I and you found another bug .. :(

Well, good (or bad) for SE :p

@JasonC maybe edit your answer so I can undo my down vote ... sorry ...

@qwer your comment hits it on the head

I'm really, really, really, really sorry @JasonC

Yeah, I guess readers are tripped with the "link parsing" instead of "title conversion".

9:03 AM

@rene @Pat for the rescue....

\o/

in Shadow's Den, 37 secs ago, by Moosebot

> Some angry dogs were just released where @rene is sleeping...

np

;)

user202362

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user202362

9:20 AM

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: How can I export image in Adobe Illustrator to a specific resolution? by fuck adobe on graphicdesign.SE

9:45 AM

@Telkitty Oy, leave me alone ...

user202362

I am not a dog

user202362

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:D

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12:27 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: How to exchange Paysafecard, Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum to PayPal, Perfect Money, Skrill, Webmoney? by user44298 on bitcoin.SE

1:03 PM

Yo Tavern

can anyone post a reputation example from stackoverflow.com/reputation where you got reputation from docs?

1:21 PM

@Telkitty es.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/poo

@rekire I think no one can as that page only holds q/a rep.

1:41 PM

@rekire here is one event where I got rep from documentation and my /reputation audit result: i.stack.imgur.com/7g06p.png

2:21 PM

If there is a question that may be a duplicate of my question but the answer there does not answer my question for some reason what should I do

@54D Edit your question and explain why it's not a duplicate in full detail.

The better you edit that info, the more likely to get an answer you are

Okey

ty

NP

2:55 PM

@rene Lmao. You don't need to be sorry.

I can see the meaning of his post now. The words are all there but the ideas are very poorly organized.

I'm saved from revenge votes then ...

Journeyman Geek

lol

downvotes grimly

3:37 PM

in The Biosphere on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 37 secs ago, by M.A.R.

A poem is like pooping your thoughts so you return back to normal

Lol...

4:03 PM

@rene I copy edited that dude's post. Does it make more, or less, sense now? (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/291511/…)

@JasonC Far better

4:29 PM

@JasonC fine now.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Why is Ulquiorra the only espada with a second release? by Trash Emo on anime.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: What could cause my bathroom exhaust fan to stop working? by John White on diy.SE

4:55 PM

@SmokeDetector fp

@JasonC Registered answer as false positive.

@Undo @ArtOfCode Does Smokey make any distinction between spam vs. offensive in feedback?

Two more delete votes needed, it's not about SE @Bart @rene

3k more rep needed :P

@ShadowWizard needs one more ...

5:00 PM

@ɥʇǝS actually 13k more to insta-vote otherwise you have to wait 3 days

@ShadowWizard eh, true.

It always feels so weird when I enter an se chat room and find the discussions are all on topic.

bug Cat pictures not in chat.

Lol, I wanted to point out that epic spam fail in the smokey post, but it's actually kind of embarrassing that it survived for 7 minutes.

@JasonC can be easily fixed.

What did you have for breakfast, @Jason?

@JasonC People were busy laughing

How much coffee did you have today, @rene?

Are you active today, @M.A.R.?

5:12 PM

@JasonC nope

@ShadowWizard Random sandwich. Seared rib eye, eggs, spinach, dijon, on multigrain. Spinach cooked, eggs scrambled, and toast toasted in the steak pan.

More of a fridge cleaning breakfast than one that made sense.

Oh and I juiced some carrots.

@JasonC No, that's a super... hard to do thing.

Technically not hard, but socially no one really knows what the difference is anyway

@Undo unlike yo momma

Ohhhhhhhh!

sigh

@JasonC heh, meat for breakfast... Think it's an american thing, no? Sounds nice though, especially the spinach... ;-)

@JasonC so your fridge is now clean?

@JasonC Museum of Modern Art?

5:18 PM

Almost clean. There's some broccoli, and a crap load of random fresh herbs. And soooo much garlic. And honey mustard that I don't really know what to do with.

Lol I did a traumatic project at the moma last year thanks for the reminder.

@ShadowWizard yup

@JasonC High five

6:14 PM

@JasonC wow, very healthy diet... kudos!

What you plan to fill it with now that it is clean?

@M.A.R. how come?

@JasonC details! ;)

user315433

6:50 PM

> It's been four years at #stackoverflow, and @spolsky hasn't fired me yet! Either I'm great at hiding, or this is the best place to work ;) -- Tim Post at 10:44 AM - 25 Feb 2017

user315433

A possible reply from @spolsky: "check your spam folder"

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@ShadowWizard I don't like to keep my fridge full, there's like 5 grocery stores within a block of me so I tend to buy per meal.

That said I'll probably head to the fish market tonight, and also I need eggs.

I'm kind of bummed because I had a vet appointment yesterday and there's this awesome butcher right next to the animal hospital (yes, dark jokes, it's hilarious), but I forgot to stop there. They always have random special sausages.

Oh there's this awesome salad maybe I'll get stuff for that. allrecipes.com/recipe/233743/kale-apple-avocado-and-bacon-salad

7:16 PM

!!/alive

@M.A.R. Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

!!/reboot

Goodbye, cruel world

7:39 PM

dead again?

!!/alive

@ThomasWard plz send teh coffee

8:32 PM

!!/coffee

@ThomasWard brews coffee for @ThomasWard

user315433

9:32 PM

> SharePoint enthusiasts, ask on SharePoint Stack Exchange. -- stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic

user315433

Calling out SharePoint specifically, of all things, is strange. WordPress Development would make more sense there.

user315433

Not to mention that "SharePoint" and "enthusiasm" rarely go together...

user315433

10:06 PM

Went to a local Asian food store, bought something that is described on the box as "CLASSIC Traditional Indian Flaky Sweet with Almonds".

user315433

Contains 100% of your recommended daily allowance!

user315433

Randall may have infiltrated their supply lines.

10:28 PM

@zaq Oh, yeah, I've got a couple Indian friends that make a great homemade flaky sweet, old family recipes.

10:45 PM

I don't think old family will ever taste well, no matter how much seasoning you put on it ...

user315433

> 2017 called, but I couldn't understand what they were saying over all the screams.

user315433

Randall predicted the political dialog of 2017.

@JasonC but do they make it with almonds? That's the real question.

@zaq that's creepy o_O

@rene The old people add the flakiness.

... Gross

:D

10:56 PM

well that escalated quickly.

@Bart so tempted to hammer it against that dupe ...

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: What nutrients should vegetarians supplement while weight training? by HerbalResearcher on vegetarianism.SE

user315433

@SmokeDetector User has 85 rep on Health, and was replying in comments....

user315433

OTOH having rep on Health is about the weakest anti-spam signal there is.

user315433

If SE ever shuts down another public beta, I hope it will be that one.

user315433

11:04 PM

It's a place for health-themed bloggers to pitch their stuff.

user315433

E.g., Shielding the brain and heart from EMR , Radio Frequencies,Cellphone towers, Wi-Fi by HerbalResearcher on health.stackexchange.com

user315433

Reliably mentioning the blog, of course.

@zaq yeah, it is not spam but it isn't a great answer either ...

@JasonC oh, good for you! :)

(still waiting for details about your MoMA (project ;))

Not worth describing.

11:12 PM

:(

It was just some exterior led installation at ps1, supposedly permanent, I don't know what became of it or if it's even running or still there. The fabricators kept having electronics / waterproofing issues. I finished my job and washed my hands of it.

@JasonC oh, lights again... I was there years ago, don't remember much. You did that as freelancer?

11:45 PM

@Jason how's your friend? Any progress? And the project?

cat alert!

funny cat pics in 10... 9...

He's out of the hospital for now, but on heavy pain meds. Also turns out he doesn't have insurance. Woo hoo for him.

@JasonC whoa..... such bill can easily reach 100k, no? Poor man!

Probably up there. He's going to have to get more surgeries, too.

But what about ObamaCare? Wasn't it about making everyone have insurance of some sort?

Heh

That's the question we've all been asking for 8 years.

11:48 PM

lol... can see another reason for Trump getting support.

He nuked ObamaCare already?

He's working on it.

Can't he just issue an order?

He's actually attempting to come up with a plan for once. I'm stoked about it, myself. When Obama's marketplace came around most of my own premiums tripled and all the affordable local insurance companies bailed out and weren't around any more.

No it's too complicated. We kind of have to back out of it.

hmm... well, I admit never really delving into it.

One of the things I'm excited about is healthcare companies will be able to sell insurance across state lines, which is great, because more competition = lower prices, or at least that's the idea. Plus it simplifies things for me.

11:52 PM

We have four medical insurance companies in Israel, but zero competition.

Well the whole system is fucked. A lot of big insurance companies bailed out of the marketplace and so sell independently, so everything got really disjoint, not to mention that some states didn't use the marketplace at all (by marketplace I mean Obama's infamous healthcare.gov).

They all charge the same and give same treatmeants.

Are their prices government regulated?

@JasonC no, but anyone got goverment insurance too, basic.

Cause that sounds awesome. I'd imagine, then, customer service becomes their selling point.

Yeah we're not friendly and cooperative like that here, lol...

user315433

11:54 PM

!!/report 3dprinting.stackexchange.com/a/3653

I don't think I've ever seen image spam before.

I thought you weren't allowed to post images under certain rep or something?

@JasonC it was removed at some point

(the restriction)

user315433

The restriction on images is active only on a few sites like SO, Math

@JasonC yeah, I kept hearing it's really bad, but never really got the reasons.

user315433

559 spam posts with imgur: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…

11:56 PM

@zaq that's a lot...

oh, not all spam, e.g. metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/58337 is crap, not spam.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Can a short-circuited heat bed be salvaged? by Rany Comel Adzra on 3dprinting.SE

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