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user0000000

12:16 AM

@Braiam

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jadarnel27

I've been reading the book "Clean Code." Has anyone in here read that? It's some really good stuff.

ManishBot

12:40 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DISARM THE B.O.M.B.! on codegolf.stackexchange.com

user0000000

lmao @ManishBot , a little late again

@rene what is the purpose of this query? data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/201417/…

I was the 5th close vote 416 times data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/201431/… , thanks @rene for that query. I would like to see which questions I was the 1st close vote on that ended up being closed.

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1:46 AM

any reason why the link-only flag was disputed here other than someone clicking on "Looks OK"? stackoverflow.com/questions/4849816/…

hichris123

> Is there a Java implementation of JSONPath?

The question is asking for it, so the whole question should be closed.

Final Contest

that is not a defense against deleting crap posts, sorry.

user0000000

@FinalContest one time I clicked looks good to an answer just like that to a question that was years old, and i got manually suspended for "letting spam answer go undeleted"

So yes, it should be deleted for sure.

hichris123

@FinalContest Uh... just delete the whole question, and maybe the problem goes away?

Final Contest

can you flag it please? I cannot flag it anymore.

user0000000

1:51 AM

i already flagged it

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@user0000000: although I am now flagging it for moderator attention.

@user0000000: thanks.

@hichris123: you realize the question deletion takes longer?

if it ever happens?

it is quite possible it never happens.

hichris123

... and what?

Quite possibly, it's a good answer.

Final Contest

and you are talking nonsense, sorry.

hichris123

And so you delete that one answer, and the rest stay?

Final Contest

good answer, LOL.

hichris123

1:52 AM

That's... illogical.

Final Contest

I really hope you get suspended if you consider such answers good and click on "Looks OK".

hichris123

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Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

> There's really only one valid exception to this rule, and that's when the question is:

Suggest me some tutorials where i can learn quick.
Don't get me wrong, it's still a bad answer - but when the question is kinda asking for bad answers this is to be expected. Close or flag the question and move on - this is much more efficient than hanging around to babysit it by deleting every crap answer that inevitably shows up.

^

user0000000

@hichris123 But I think since this answer is 3 years after the question, it deserves to be deleted...

but yea cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/4849816/…

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@user0000000: I do not think he listens.

he did not see that either two different moderators already deleted such answers in the thread, but yeah.... crap answers ftw, I am shocked to see such users thinking that way.

hichris123

12 mins ago, by hichris123

@FinalContest Uh... just delete the whole question, and maybe the problem goes away?

And anyway, I don't have 10k, so I can't see deleted answers...

Final Contest

2:04 AM

in fact, the whole question will not be deleted since it has quite upvoted an answer.

sorry, you keep talking nonsense, and your thinking is way below my values, let us just skip the topic. If I see you pressing "Looks OK", I will report it on meta, or anyone else.

@user0000000: awesome, a moderator deleted it!

bjb568

Hi

user0000000

Hi

3ventic

I wonder if this was necessary..

3

jadarnel27

Regardless of it's necessity, it is funny as crap.

ɥʇǝS

Someone doesn't get a good joek.

@AnnaLear You live in Canada? Or do you love proxies as much as I do? ;)

Anna Lear

2:44 AM

@ɥʇǝS I moved to NYC from Canada about a year ago. Now I just love me some proxies for sports-watching purposes. :)

ɥʇǝS

;)

user0000000

4:46 AM

Oh, Anna is Canadian, that explains everything!

Anna Lear

4:58 AM

Shhhhh... don't tell anyone. It can be out little secret.

jadarnel27

Calling software developers engineers is silly.

Jan Dvorak

5:23 AM

SPAM ux.stackexchange.com/questions/59957/buy-rap-instrumentals

Jan Dvorak

5:37 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234075/…

Anna Lear

This muscle-building spam is annoying. I'm gonna have to take a closer look tomorrow and see if I can throw some key phrases into a spam block.

DroidDev

I'd also say same for baba and molvi ji spams

Anna Lear

The who what now?

user0000000

LOL

0

A: Rails RSpec script fails to identify elements (update: because they are in iframe)

The answer to my question is embedded in the original question

Jan Dvorak

@user0000000 fixed, thanks

DroidDev

5:47 AM

I think OP was talking to himself in whole post, until Anna came through

user0000000

wow your fast Anna, thanks :)

Anna Lear

It would've taken you the same amount of time to fix that. Just sayin'.

user0000000

i was still rofl or else i would've eventually read the comments above

maybe

Anna Lear

He actually edited the answer into the question, originally. This took literally two seconds to fix. You can edit and laugh at the same time. ;)

Jan Dvorak

6:00 AM

@AnnaLear but he can't share the laughs by linking us the fixed version ;-)

Anna Lear

6:20 AM

That's what revision links are for. ;)

user0000000

6:30 AM

can anyone see what changes he tried to make? meta.stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/598

Stijn

6:51 AM

@user0000000 I can't see anything. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231328/…

BoltClock's a Unicorn

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Q: Get first class name from multiple name of a div

How can I select first class name of a div. Example : <div class="myDiv holderDiv"></div> I want to get the only the class name 'myDiv' using JQuery. How can I select it. Thank you.

javascript jquery

This pretty much sums up what Stack Overflow has become. Simple question, likely poorly-researched and/or already asked, lots of short answers posted in the first couple of minutes, half of which start with "Try". So much for quality. — BoltClock ♦ 25 mins ago

user0000000

8 identical answers

Stijn

that's javascript for you

BoltClock's a Unicorn

@Stijn You mean jquery

It's especially funny that one of the answers says "Working fiddle" without actually linking to one

It's not bad link markdown

The URL just isn't there

rene

7:25 AM

@user0000000 I was answering old questions tagged with SEDE and one asked if it was possible to list more than 50.000 users. The answer is no because SEDE only ever deliver 50K. That query was a theoretical experiment to overcome that 50K rows limit. Don't worry, it doesn't work...

SPArchaeologist

@rene Niceeeeee. Do you store data inside a SharePoint list? :P Maybe you just need to enable query trottling override.

rene

@SPArchaeologist They better not let me override anything....

@user0000000 That is easy todo and left as an exercise for the reader (hint: don't reverse)

Jan Dvorak

9:18 AM

SPAM mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/50898/…

Stijn

9:54 AM

I still don't get the whole "large font sizes for everything"... I'm reading a blog with a fixed width of 730px and a whopping 150 words fit on my screen, how can anyone find that an improvement?

Jan Dvorak

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/178096/…

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn what browser? Don't remember seeing something like that. Oh wait, Firefox?

Stijn

@ShadowWizard I should never have revealed that information.

Can we pretend that I never mentioned Firefox and that I'm a happy Chrome user like the rest of you?

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn No shame. I use Chrome as my main and "the rest" for test purposes. ;)

Jan Dvorak

@Stijn no.

Shadow Wizard

10:07 AM

My sock lives in IE for example.

It feels lonely and dirty in there but I don't want auto merge to take place.

feels-good meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234081/…

DroidDev

for me firefox is most reliable browser, when I am doing some money transaction over internet, because it doesn't loose the connection that easily as compared to chrome if the internet is of slow speed and low bandwidth

Shadow Wizard

> deleted by Mad Scientist, Yannis, Shadow Wizard 9 secs ago ^^^

@DroidDev From own experience with slow/buggy connections all three browsers behave the same, think it's just coincidence for you

Jan Dvorak

SPAM wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/149747/…

one that is actually a decent piece of advertising, actually

DroidDev

@ShadowWizard you might not be having the experience of connecting to internet at your pc via your mobile phone(pc and cellphone are connected via bluetooth and cellphone has internet connection). All this in 2G and that also in peak hours with bandwidth as low as possible.

Jan Dvorak

10:25 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234082/…

SPArchaeologist

I HATE S͚̯͍̖̮̘͇̩̕͜͜͡h̴̟̜͙͓͙̯̖̻̺̥̩̟̼̭̻͕̰̺͇̀͠à̭̙͚̱̟̦̺̫̣͕̞̝̱̠̦͢ͅr̶̶̨̢͓̪͇̙͓̫͖͙͈̰̱̬̰̠͚̭̹͔͢ͅ‌e̪̣̤̤͞͝P̵̶̤̭̪̥͚̼̮̮̘̻͠ͅo҉̴̤͈̤̺͈̜̙͓̦͜͠ͅi̶̸͍͚̜͉̩͕̻̮͙̱̻̟̻̦̺̝̤͕͢͡n̴̨̼̭̻̪̘̰̖̳͢t̡̕͏͓̠̠̪̹‌̱̻̤̠̲

..............

How it manage to kill Costura Fody workings escapes my comprension.

Shadow Wizard

11:01 AM

Who? Zalgo?

Square Man

ကစၥပ နဒီ

101

community-wiki faq posts support

Please flag as abusive: meta.stackexchange.com/a/234083/152859

He's abusing the site by trolling.

6 of those and we'll finally see -100 in action.

Jan Dvorak

I'd rather say he's spamming us with irrelevant content

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak that would work too.

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A: Why don't we treat rubbish the same as spam?

I'm assuming that's not what "abusive" in this reason is referring to You know what they say about assumptions... ...they say that they're often wrong. Like you are. In this case. If someone is abusing the site by posting gibberish, flag it as such. Any combination of 6 spam or offensive ...

> If someone is abusing the site by posting gibberish, flag it as such.

Jan Dvorak

wait, it's one answer so far only

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak so?

It doesn't mean it's not total rubbish

Jan Dvorak

so it's abusive, but not spam

Shadow Wizard

11:10 AM

@JanDvorak yep, that was my initial idea here. ;)

But any combo of 6 spam/abusive flags will delete, lock and give -100 rep penalty to the abuser.

rene

Go over the answers on SO as well..

Shadow Wizard

I think he was trying to test if his display name will break anything.

@rene nah, that's just crap. Mostly.

crap != rubbish

rene

I left a dv here and there...

Shadow Wizard

@rene wait, you mean that specific user's answers? I thought you mean in general, lol!

(looking)

Jan Dvorak

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/178104/…

Shadow Wizard

11:14 AM

status-no-crap-found

Jan Dvorak

11:24 AM

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/178105/…

Braiam

weird, my flagging history is empty in ELU

wow, member for less than 15 mins and already informed badge

Jan Dvorak

there should be a speed-reader badge

that gets awarded instead of the informed badge if you just click through without actually reading the help

R.J

How about having a small quiz at the end of the about page and only those who clear it with min passing marks get the "Informed" badge :D

SPArchaeologist

quick question

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist not quick enough

SPArchaeologist

11:37 AM

does anyone here ever used Costura Fody?

@ShadowWizard (yep, timeout error - connection quality still under nine thousand)

I am trying to discern if it works or not when the dll that contains the embedded references is deployed to gac.

Jan Dvorak

@SPArchaeologist is your ping OVER 9000???

SPArchaeologist

@JanDvorak probably. And if it isn't yet, just leave it to ISA server.

rene

@SPArchaeologist but all dependenies are contained within that gac-ed assembly?

Stijn

@ShadowWizard how is it still alive?

SPArchaeologist

@rene yep

@rene That is the strange part. If I use a simple web application project, all works normally. The second I switch to sharepoint, all fall apparts

(which somehow doesn't surprise me anymore)

rene

11:48 AM

@SPArchaeologist Did you try the fusion logviewer?

SPArchaeologist

Only difference I can think of is that on SharePoint the dll is deployed to gac

@rene yes

but it didn't give much info

actually I see a binding failure even on the web application. Seems that fusion probes the gac and other usual places to find the assembly and fails. Then it notices that costura has dynamically loaded the reference to the app domain.

same process on sharepoint seems to fail

I am trying to discern if it is SharePoint that does something to the app domain, the gac interfering or a combination of both.

rene

There might be multiple appdomains in SP...

SPArchaeologist

possible

rene

It could be that SP act as its own clr-host and therefor bypassing normal binding...

SPArchaeologist

but since costura works by forcing the dynamic load in a static constructor of a class in the referenceR assembly, I would assume that every time the referenceR calls that the referenced the constructor has been executed, and so the dynamic load calls.

rene

11:53 AM

that seems to make sense

SPArchaeologist

@rene about the clr-host. ... THAT could actually be a valid guess

Jan Dvorak

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/118403/…

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn not enough users who think it deserves a flag probably.

rene

@SPArchaeologist I'm not sure how the SP pipeline execute requests but if it passes object instances across an app domain boundary the static constructor for the loading didn't run in the app domain where it is transferred to...

SPArchaeologist

@rene That makes sense.

rene

12:02 PM

You could verify that if you add tracing to check the appdomain ids during diffeent calls...

Jan Dvorak

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/118406/…

SPArchaeologist

@rene Thanks for the idea Rene. I will have a go at that.

rene

fusion problems are nasty...take care....

SPArchaeologist

Anyway, I 'm not sure that our theory can be valid. I noticed that Costura actually does it dynamic loading by adding an assembly resolver for the current domain inside a module initializer.

rene

Maybe SP does the same and they don't play nicely together?

SPArchaeologist

12:20 PM

@rene Give me some years to find a single MS doc that talks about that and we will know. Jokes aside, I fear that only Skeet could understand this chaos.

Final Contest

12:31 PM

-2

Q: Why contributing in Stackoverflow

Sorry for the stupid question, but why you people spend time in answering questions to unknown people without being paid for? What's the real advantage of having points or reputation here or others Q&A platforms?

discussion

:D

guys, do not downvote it :D

Jan Dvorak

@FinalContest why?

Stijn

yeah, it's a fair question

Final Contest

@JanDvorak: I think it is useful to know why people use this site.

I upvoted every post in that thread, personally.

Jan Dvorak

12:52 PM

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/118413/…

SPArchaeologist

1:22 PM

Can anyone edit my question here and add a "module-initializer" tag?

I don't have the required rep on Stack

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Q: Understanding app domains and module initializer workings

I am currently experimenting/evaluating usage of Costura Fody to embed assembly references inside a C# library project (to be more specific, I am trying to wrap entity framework dependencies as embedded resource in my assembly). I have managed to make all work correctly in a standard web applicat...

.net appdomain fody-costura

(I am more active on SharePoint)

Stijn

Is that a general term? Or specific to a certain tech?

SPArchaeologist

seem pretty agnostic. Still, I am referencing the specific .net implementation

I admit that until today I didn't even know that stuff existed

they are described here

blogs.msdn.com/b/junfeng/archive/2005/11/19/494914.aspx

1.1.2 Module Initializer

Modules may contain special methods called module initializers to initialize the module itself.

All modules may have a module initializer. This method shall be static, a member of the module, take no parameters, return no value, be marked with rtspecialname and specialname, and be named .cctor.

There are no limitations on what code is permitted in a module initializer. Module initializers are permitted to run and call both managed and unmanaged code.

( ECMA-335: CLR Partition II Metadata and File Format)

Stijn

@SPArchaeologist they seem to be a CLR feature (it's not possible to create them in C# or VB.NET)

does clr-module-initializer look good to you?

SPArchaeologist

@Stijn yep they are. I don't know if the later c# versions introduced a way to create them.

Costura manages to do that via assembly weaving / il emit

anyway, tag look perfect to me

thanks, @Stijn

Stijn

@SPArchaeologist Done. You have a typo in your question btw, did you mean comprehend instead of comprend?

SPArchaeologist

1:34 PM

yes.

(done - thanks)

Final Contest

1:48 PM

-1

A: How do I get product information via Amazon's MWS API?

Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

SPArchaeologist

Now I just need to wait for Lord Skeet to notice the question (dubt a common human begin can answer).

@FinalContest shouldn't this be flagged as "not an answer"?

Stijn

@SPArchaeologist yes

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist NAA, VLQ, TACC

DroidDev

TACC?

Shadow Wizard

@DroidDev Total And Complete Crap

SPArchaeologist

2:00 PM

WHO UPVOTED?

DroidDev

@ShadowWizard oh! that escalated quickly

@SPArchaeologist socket puppet....

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist upvoted what?

SPArchaeologist

that "answer"

was at -2

now it shows -1

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist nope, -2 for me

@SPArchaeologist wait, you don't have 10k how you see deleted answers?

SPArchaeologist

before deletion it was -2

then for a second it showed -1

then gone

Shadow Wizard

2:02 PM

SPArchaeologist

I hope it is a case of user-missed-his-tea

also know as I-failed-my-reality-test-check

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist yup, most likely.

Final Contest

2:27 PM

@SPArchaeologist: yeah

note that mods would not delete it if it had 10 upvotes and one used other.

JoshDM

How do posts get qualified for the "hot network questions" list? I ask because the last couple times I've joined a new community and posted a question, bam.

It gets right on the HQ list.

Stijn

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A: How do the "arbitrary hotness points" work on the new Stack Exchange home page?

Basically what's documented here: What formula should be used to determine "hot" questions? We have a few tweaks: Succeeding questions from the same site are penalized by increasing amounts. So, the first question from SO in the list gets multiplied by 1.0, the second by 0.98, the third ...

SPArchaeologist

0

Q: Disable Text Entry Into Rich Text Area Using Javascript

I'm trying to make specific fields within a list edit form 'read only' based upon the overall status of the list item. In order to do this I've tried to use the following to disable textareas: $("textarea[Title='What']").attr("disabled", "disabled"); Within IE the textarea always appears as e...

javascript custom-form form

Care explaining me what this has to do with SharePoint?

bjb568

Nothing?

SPArchaeologist

that's my first impression.

SPArchaeologist

2:55 PM

@FinalContest meta.sharepoint.stackexchange.com/questions/1081/…

notice Benny answer

Final Contest

3:26 PM

@SPArchaeologist: thanks, upvoted.

you may wish to edit the "stachexchange" typo in the question.

same goes to the title, it could be simpler and better grammar.

Jan Dvorak

4:53 PM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234101/…

3ventic

aand it's gone

Final Contest

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/679278/…

user0000000

5:14 PM

should this be deleted? stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5072262

is it acceptable to answer a 3 year old question by telling the OP to use a plugin , and giving an example how to use the plugin?

and he's had another answer like it too on a 2 year old question stackoverflow.com/questions/4054211/…

Andy

Does it answer the question?

user0000000

so looks kind of like spam? right?

Andy

I was going to say that if it answers the question it's fine, but he's not disclosing that it's HIS plugin

seems kinda spammy now

user0000000

and the fact that both questions already have an accepted answer... that doesn't require a plugin and the question askers never asked to use a plugin

Andy

That shouldn't matter. Alternatives to accepted answers are encouraged.

Jan Dvorak

5:21 PM

still a bad answer, I'd say

Andy

Bad answer, yes, but I wouldn't flag it as NAA. It is an alternative that works (or appears to anyway). I'd downvote it and leave it at that

Jan Dvorak

if it's an undisclosed affiliation, however, I believe that warrants a mod flag

Andy

agreed

Jan Dvorak

or if all he does is advertising his plugin

Andy

It's not looking good on that front either. He's 2 for 2 so far.

I commented on one of the answers

user0000000

5:28 PM

Am I able to see deleted comments on Meta.SE? Can anyone else see CHsurfer's two comments above mine here meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234086/… ?

I only have 4200 rep on Meta.SE.. and when I check the user's activity comments, it shows 0 meta.stackexchange.com/users/262148/…

Andy

I see them

Jan Dvorak

I can see two comments from a deleted user

user0000000

That's what I thought, but it's showing he still has an account, he was the OP, and he's not deleted there.. weird

Probably has to do with the fact that it was migrated from Meta.SO

Anna Lear

@user0000000 Correct. Comments aren't reassociated after migration.

user0000000

6:25 PM

I'm all out of cv's, cmnt flags, answ flags, uv's and dv's... what is there left to do?

Anna Lear

Answer questions? ;)

meagar

Has there ever been a proposal to disambiguate names in comments? there are two Ians conversing over here, and it is both confusing, and also difficult to @Ian the correct Ian stackoverflow.com/questions/24249721/…

Not sure how it would work, since usernames can be changed at any time, but maybe on render if two people have identical names, postfixing "1" or "2" or something :|

rene

9:11 PM

@ShadowWizard tnx :)

Ben Voigt

10:05 PM

I've been casting close votes in hard-drive and parallels. Seems like 90% of questions in those need to die.

Ben Voigt

10:21 PM

Ugg, the links didn't go to stackoverflow.com

Blue Ice

10:50 PM

heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Werner

11:12 PM

So, @AnnaLear, what was the status-completed result of the following post:

51

The score for the 4 questions are 111, 1218, 261 and 5 respectively, but they display 2 digits per line. This is an obvious bug in design.

bug status-completed related-questions linked-questions sidebar

3ventic

@Werner that they're no longer split on 2 (or more) lines

Werner

...there is no mention of what is/was/will/should/could be implemented.

3ventic

you can see it in effect on the side, but I guess it would benefit from an actual answer

Werner

@3ventic No longer split, I see. And the numbers now go outside the boxes.

3ventic

4

Q: Small overlapping text on Related questions

Just noticed a minor css issue on this question: Math Stackexchange said "We are Offline" until I reset my router - Why? The related questions on the right hand side have some overlapping text in Chrome: There is this existing bug: Related question score text CSS which says it has been fixed?

bug design

Werner

11:14 PM

@3ventic Neither of the current answers are implemented, and I wonder whether the existing implementation is better?

@3ventic Exactly.

I like @ShadowWizard's comment:

Result of fixing this more severe bug. — Shadow Wizard Jun 5 at 14:37

"fixing"

Okay, admittedly, I'm not complaining... it just seems to be unresolved.

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