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2:04 AM
Okay, I'm going to submit this paper with every possible standard URI field clearly specified in the bibliography, from scheme to port to everything else. We'll see what happens... :P
 
@Undo What's it look like?
 
> “Wavelength Range of Visible Light”
> Scheme: http
> Port: 80
> Domain: http://hypertextbook.com/
> Document: facts/2002/PavelBorodulin.shtml
...
Anyway, got to go now. Cya!
 
Bye.
 
2:22 AM
Back
 
2:48 AM
@Undo Still here?
 
3:08 AM
@hichris123 kinda sorta.
 
@Undo What science textbook do you use?
 
@hichris Well... I don't really want to say until the semester's over. This guy actually searches the internet for bad things said about him, and giving the name of the book would be... tipping him off. And he might be able to trace it back to me, which would be bad :P
Ask again at the end of the school year.
 
@Undo Heh. Me needs to bookmark this conversation. :P
I doubt my science teacher knows what Stack Overflow or Stack Exchange is.
 
@hichris I once pointed him to a question I'd asked on Phys.SE, and he got really mad because I pointed out an inaccuracy he had made in one of his lectures. I didn't name him or anything. He then started suggesting bogus edits to remove the content, which were all rejected by either me and my unilateral reject hammer or the community.
so he probably knows the connect between Undo <-> [my real name]
 
@Undo Oh, god. reminds myself never to point out something that's wrong in my Science teacher's lecture from Phys or chem
 
3:19 AM
Hehe, you probably have a better science teacher :P
 
Meh, I don't know.
How about Math?
 
Homeschooled for math :D
so I have nice teachers.
 
Ug.
You're lucky.
What level math?
 
Algebra II
 
Geometry.
What sequence did you go?
 
3:26 AM
Geometry is fun.
@hichris Alg. I -> Geo -> Alg. II
 
Same here.
 
(-> cal/precalc next, methinks)
 
Me no likey geometry... :(
I like Algebra much better.
@Undo Same, probably Algebra II, precalc, Calc, and some other course.
 
Yeah, I like "real math" better than Geo, but drawing stuff was kinda fun too. And the cool things you can do with a compass.
 
Constructions and proofs... :(
 
3:29 AM
Meh, not my favorite either.
 
Hey, I got an A in the class first semester. :P
 
Yay!
A's are fun.
At some point during the chemistry class I should use that SQL vuln I found to give some other kid like 433% or something,
See what happens,.
 
Do you have science class or is it just Chem?
 
Just Chem for now.
Had Bio last year
Botany one year
Etc.
 
Huh, you must do it differently than we do.
At the high-school we do it that way, but I'm just taking regular science right now and it goes in different units, Physics, Chem, etc.
 
3:33 AM
Huh
C. Phys?
 
@Undo What do you mean?
 
@hichris Conceptual Physics?
I took that once.
 
@Undo Ooh, nope. We do more general things, except for Math. Like Honors Language Arts, not Literature or anything else. Then at the high school they have that, but not here.
Be back in a bit.
 
Ah
Cya
I might go try that sleep thing myself.
Adios, cya in the morning.
 
...brown.
 
3:43 AM
@jadarnel27 Did you see UPS trademarked brown?
 
I saw that you said UPS trademarked brown =)
In the sense that I got the ping.
 
They did! :P
> UPS, the UPS brand mark and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America, Inc.
 
UPS has held that trademark for quite a long time.
 
And your point is? :P
 
4:12 AM
UPS has no claim to such power.
 
4:25 AM
Gah I hate when sites list the dimensions for the box something comes in rather than the actual dimensions of the item inside the box.
I'm not measuring to see if the box will fit on my desk!
 
But if it won't fit on your desk, how will you open it!?
 
Oh, mighty Tim of Wisdom.
 
"Janky" is a fun word.
 
5:21 AM
hello
 
5:44 AM
sigh.... another moderator mistake even with obsolete description:
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Qt4 QLabel in QTabWidget
answered 8 hours ago by Laszlo Papp
The issue has been addressed in the answer. – Laszlo Papp 7 hours ago declined
Could someone please comment on how it potentially ended up in "declined" state? I am afraid to say it seems to be yet another careless moderator review. A valid issue has been raised, and it has also been fixed. Anyone can see that by checking the edit to the answer (content and time).
"Qt 4.8.5 configure.exe just shows the options
answered Jan 9 at 15:43 by Laszlo Papp
obsolete – Laszlo Papp Jan 9 at 16:40 declined"
this got declined, too, although I do not see the flagged content around anymore. Is it really important for these moderator actions to be quick rather than careful?
 
@LaszloPapp I deleted that comment when you complained about it here a while ago.
 
that is fine; it is more surprising that it got declined.
as for the other one, I do not see how it is not obsolete anymore. Who declined could share some light.
 
It's pretty obvious. I can only imagine that the other flags on the post caused him to just dismiss everything.
 
"other flags on the post"?
 
Someone flagged it as NAA, then it racked up a few "invalid flags" flags.
 
5:56 AM
NAA, wow. Are there many invalid flags like that?
The second comment should not have be removed though since otherwise the person downvoting may forget to withdraw it without explicitly triggering an action from him.
 
6:12 AM
I got to flag something on Stack Apps. Yay(?).
 
 
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8:22 AM
yawn morning
 
Evening.
 
8:40 AM
@Flyk morning!
 
9:11 AM
In the new world order, should this be closed?
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Q: Check value of function after particular interval of time and change the status of JProgressbar.

user3153014there is some function checkValue() which returns value to be displayed in JProgressbar. I want to check this value after each particular amount of time and display it in JProgressbar. And the colour of JProgressbar should change depending on the value eg. val > 85 green colour , val < 30 red etc...

In my mind, a lack of current code means it might be "too broad". Or "unclear", because we don't know how much of a piece of software is required to solve the problem.
 
@Duncan these close reasons are supposed to replace the former ones; I'll take a look
@Duncan voted unclear
 
@Duncan: it seems more appropriate to downvote that question (which I have now done).
 
@JohnSaunders I was planning to down-vote as well. So you think closure is inappropriate?
 
@Duncan: yeah, I don't think I'd have voted to close even in the previous regime
 
@JohnSaunders Fair enough. I think I'm with @JanDvorak on this one, however.
 
9:21 AM
"Right now you seem to focus on two issues." would qualify this as too broad, too
 
Question deleted. Ah well..
 
9:39 AM
Candidate for the typo close reason?
-1
Q: Using the contains method

user3189610The objective of this program is to take the two arrays x and y and then create and array list contain numbers that occur in both x and y and then to print out this array of matching numbers. When I go to compile it gives me the error class expected on line 19 and another error saying ";" expecte...

 
I would say so @Duncan
 
 
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10:49 AM
Did everyone fall asleep? I just got here, good early morning
 
Good late evening.
 
Good early afternoon
 
is there any diamonds in the room?
 
good almost midday
 
There's always a diamond in the room. A better question is whether any of them are active.
 
10:51 AM
I'm so so so upset, not really , but if there is, i got a complaint that i really don't care too much about for the time being
 
@AlienArrays A couple of employees and at least one moderator.
 
Well, I got questioned banned from Meta.... I've been with Meta for over 30 days. And I've only asked 5 questions. So about one a week. People didn't like some of my suggestions , like the SOA (stackoverflowawards). So my questions were clear, precise, no longer than they needed to be, yet I get a question ban. I was shocked I tell you, shocked!
Not that big of a deal, but I'm surprised it's so easy to get a question ban, especially when I didn't think I did anything wrong.
I'd suggest changing the algorithm for META if possible, since a lot more downvotes get applied there.
 
Meta shouldn't ban for lots of downvoted questions..
 
I didn't even have " a lot " of questions. Only 5 questions over a 30 day period.
 
I phrased that wrong.
lots of downvotes on questions perhaps
 
10:56 AM
Yes, doesn't seem quite right for meta to penalise down-votes in the same way.
 
That's quite a lot
 
@AlienArrays I see that Tim Post offered you to discuss this in private. Did you do that already?
 
Discussions should be voted based on whether the matter is worth discussing, not agreement/disagreement IMO
 
@AlienArrays it's already different and much more "tolerant" than on the main site
 
@rene I was going to send an email, but then I read the help topic on it, and decided not to. It's not that big of a deal now. But like if I can't work my way out of it in the next month or so, I'll bring it up again.
 
11:00 AM
I agree you shouldn't be banned from asking, but when the ban is lifted please think twice before posting new questions. For example you made it looks like those who upload profile picture which is not their own face are frauds, which wasn't very welcome.
 
I suppose a ban might reflect the fact that a string of bad ideas that the community disapproves of is not what we really want. I'm sure Tim will discuss it adequately if you take up his offer.
 
@rene also, I don't understand why things like this have to be private. If this happened to me, it could happen to anyone else
 
@AlienArrays The alternative would be to have no opportunity to discuss it and have it lifted.
Plus, I suppose a public discussion needs a place to host it, and if you're already question banned that proves difficult..
If you were dead keen on a public discussion, invite Tim to a separate chat room.
 
Tim Post IS a moderator. He isn't offering you that just for fun.
 
@rene Tim Post is not really a moderator, he is Community Manager, Stack Exchange employee responsible for, well, manage the community. "the boss of the moderators" might be a fitting title. :)
 
11:04 AM
@ShadowWizard I didn't want to make the matter look worse :-)
 
Still a moderator
 
@AlienArrays It doesn't have to be private. I think Tim was just trying to be nice.
 
@ShadowWizard I only mentioned the word "fraud" in the title. The media uses catchy headlines all the time.
 
That's why I hate The Media - no downvote buttons.
 
@rene worse how?
@AlienArrays this one is probably a lost case, but in the future just be careful to make it clear.
 
11:07 AM
@rene I was just shocked that I had a question ban, that's why I left a comment to Tim. But since the shock has wore down , and I'm not worried about it.
Tim has better things to do then waste his time on me
 
@AlienArrays not really, that's his job. He get paid for managing the community and calming down users and giving them a helping hand is one of his roles. (and Shog's as well, and he's right here :))
 
If I'm asked something by a mod, specially Tim Post, I would comply to that request. But maybe that is just me...
 
@rene "send me $10000 to [bank account #]" will also work? ;-)
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@ShadowWizard I would add, "if you want to see your account unbanned again.
 
@JanDvorak Are you saying that this isn't the first time I've had a question ban?
If So, I am Offended, with a capital O
 
11:11 AM
@JanDvorak lol
@AlienArrays Jan was refering to my previous message here no need to be Offended
 
@ShadowWizard I'm in a phase of my life that I no longer care about $$$, so No, that won't work
 
@rene I thougt that would work the easier, then?
 
11:39 AM
hi
if you get 2 upvotes, and 4 downvotes
without any explanation, and you correct something in your answer, is it ok to delete your old, and send a new one?
(it is a theoretical case, not mine, just wondering)
 
@LaszloPapp watch out for an a-ban
and extra dowvnotes just for doing that
 
@JanDvorak: well, I can understand that the 4 downvoters will most likely never come back to withdraw their downvotes, so it is just as fair as their activity.
(provided, if they at all had voted you down for a good reason... if not, that is even nastier)
 
or they'll just downvote you again
and the original upvoters will ignore you
 
yeah, the same nonsense nasty behavior can repeat of course.
but in that case, I believe, they are the ones to watch out for ban.
 
downvoting carries no ban weight, AFAIK
 
11:43 AM
sure, it does.
 
being downvoted does
 
in fact, I know people who were banned for irregular (down)voting.
to put it this way: 4 downvotes without any reason for a good post without explanation is more than suspicious.
 
Not going to get banned for down voting an answer. But equally I assume you're only going to get an a-ban if your answer's are repeatedly low scoring. So I doubt anyone needs to watch out for a ban
 
4 downvotes usually means very poor post, and people quickly point out fundamental issues with such posts.
 
banning != suspending.
 
11:45 AM
> -1 for multiposting
with a chance of heavy rain of downvotes
 
there is no any multi-posting
the other is "deleted".
you will not clutter the thread what-so-ever.
 
except for 10k's you mean?
 
see the quote.
 
ok, they'd use a different word than multiposting, but you get the point...
 
no, that is the official term for it.
"delete", yes, I fully agree it is totally misleading, but that is how it is called anyhow.
 
11:53 AM
Nov 9 '13 at 16:47, by Bart
Wait wait wait ..... I just saw one of those 2014 posts and they're saying "glad @Bart is no longer bothering us" .... what's going on here?
 
@Bart returns!
 
You're imagining things @Duncan
 
Imagination is the best nation.
 
I was going to say that about Procrastination, but I couldn't be bothered.
 
 
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12:58 PM
Are the downvotes suggesting we are not going to delete that question and its answers? — rene 37 secs ago
 
It's interesting how you can track the evolution of Stack Overflow by looking up /faq in the Internet Archive‌​.
 
@rene not necessarily an indication it's not going to happen. But it might be an indication that users disagree with it being deleted. I also see no reason to do so.
 
@michaelb958 broken link
 
@3ventic Wasn't broken for me...
 
1:05 PM
Seems chat is encoding the : in the url
 
Dammit chat, don't escape the : in the link!
Yay, works. But I can't update the original message...
 
1:44 PM
@user2994348 you just blew up my irony detector. — Andrew Barber 7 mins ago
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that question and all its comments is a script for standup comedy
all we need is a good punchline
 
@rene the user failing the assignment but winning the comedy class?
A comedy based on an IRL event describing a comedy based on an IRL event?
that meta-comedy punchline would be hidden in a director's cut.
 
2:44 PM
Every time I ask a PHP question on SO my faith in humanity drops by just a little bit.
Woops, I had my own Curl class that I wasn't importing. No accept, though, because of your arrogance. Fix that, and you can have a checkmark. — Undo 24 secs ago
 
Faith restored @Undo
 
@Bart Yay!
(also, the crazy 'credential'-removing people drive me nuts :P)
A censored key isn't a credential, people!
 
@Undo I suspect a lot of PHP questions arrive with people stupidly including their full database credentials etc.
I can forgive people warning you, I guess.
 
I suppose....
(and I've probably done the same)
 
Can I get a hand with a re-open here so I can paste my great answer in? :)
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Q: How does the XOR (^) operator work when the variables are numbers not booleans?

code578841441Here is a way of swapping a and b without a need for a third variable. I understand what XOR means in a truth table with "true" or "false" but what is it doing here exactly? How does XOR work when we're dealing with numbers not booleans? int a = 5; int b = 10; a = a ^ b; b = a ^ b; a = a ^ b;

 
2:54 PM
@ErickRobertson done
 
> This question is already open - please refresh the page
 
But it'd better be a great answer. If it's not .....
 
3:34 PM
@Bart Been busy doing voiceover work?
 
Joy! Ancient bug finally getting some love! :D
 
Haha, no @jadarnel27. Vacation where I wan't online. And I've been stuck in a basement, soldering tons of connectors for a week.
 
I'm not sure that's a vacation, that sounds more like forced labour in a sweatshop
 
makes note to never vacation with Bart
 
It's a survival mechanism @TimStone. Otherwise I can't cope.
 
3:37 PM
But congrats on the time off =P
 
Ha, thanks
 
Yay. I've got 3456 rep on codegolf
 
/me goes to upvote
 
I should take a vacation. My 10 day trip to Mexico back in November has worn off.
Though being a contractor makes that sort of annoying, what with not getting PTO and all.
 
/me looks for a site where he is a mod and @jadarnel27 has an account
 
3:45 PM
Nothing like being a contractor for low number of sick days ;)
 
@JanDvorak Uh oh. What are you planning?
 
"suspension" sounds too much like "vacation".
 
@Oded .5 sick days in the last year and a half or so =)
@JanD Hah, I see what you did there.
 
I know... I was a contractor for most of the last decade, till SE came along
 
Nice. This is my first contract job.
Started out as a year, and they've since given me two 6 month extensions.
 
3:50 PM
I loved it - no office drama, the business relationship is so clear, no unrealistic expectations of loyalty etc...
 
I would contract in a heartbeat if there was a little bit more work available locally.
 
@Duncan Yeah, NY and London have a big contract pool
 
I've thought about moving closer to London.
 
Where you at?
 
Cambridge.
 
3:57 PM
I've driven that before, though not daily. And trains are about an hour, no?
 
I could commute, but it would be painful. Particularly anything on the south side of the river. But moving equates to leaving a bunch of family (read: babysitters) behind.
Train into Kings Cross is 45 mins. But then there's tube commute the other side and getting to the station my end. So probably 1hr30 is realistic for a lot of places.
 
True enough. Remote work then ;)
 
Do companies go for that?
 
Some do. Most don't. They equate bum in office to productivity.
 
:-(
Have you ever read The Four Hour Work Week?
 
4:00 PM
I know of it - Tim Ferris, right?
 
Yeah, that's it. Quite an amusing read and vaguely related to this subject.
 
Though not applicable to 99.9999% of the readers
 
The description makes it sound like a life-coaching vomit-inducing work. Whereas it's quite funny and an enjoyable read.
Of course, that's a given :-)
 
Ha. It reads too much like the link bait I see on some sites
 
4:17 PM
Being a contractor at this place is basically like being an employee. We just have higher base pay and no benefits.
One of the guys on my team has been riding 6 month contract extensions here for, like, 4 years.
 
@jadarnel27 Interesting. In the UK, that could lead you to run the risk of missing out on some of the lovely tax benefits contractors enjoy.
Continued renewals are one of the ways the tax office tries to construe that you are essentially employed full time.
 
The weird thing is that I am an employee of a staffing company. I get a W-2 from them and all that.
They are the ones that sign my checks as well.
 
Ah, a similar approach is also used by some UK contractors. Although it's less lucrative.
The best money comes from running your own company and paying dividends to yourself. Or, better, dissolving the company from time to time.
 
Interesting.
 
Those two approaches mean you pay corporation tax, which is lower than income tax in many cases.
 
4:23 PM
Yeah, I'm not business savvy enough to do something like that =)
 
You give yourself a nominal salary, normally close to minimum wage.
 
That's rather clever!
 
Everything I earn just goes into a Swiss bank account
 
sees what @Bart did there
 
:)
 
4:35 PM
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A: turn java vectors into javascript objects

wjhplanoscrew it, I'm just passing strings now. a set of strings for each column works fine

is this an answer?
 
Meh, technically yes I guess
 
yes
workarounds are just as valid
 
5:42 PM
hi, what is the record for the number of questions without any answers for a user? I have just found one user with 38 questions and zero accepted answer.
 
@LaszloPapp I don't think there's an easy way to track that, is there?
 
This looks like a nice task for the SEDE
 
@ElfSlice: I do not know. I have come across this user accidentally.
 
Is there a query on SEDE for that?
 
I can see a record of 12
(oops, that was on meta)
The record is 122 questions
How do I make SEDE linkify the user?
(g2g, sry)
 
5:56 PM
I couldn't find any existing ones lol
 
6:18 PM
@JanD You have to alias a user Id column as "User Link" and it will automatically linkify the user.
 
@jadarnel27 thanks
 
No probz.
 
Is it verbotten to go through a user's unanswered questions and answer all of them?
oops. That record was for meta.
 
hmm, I think there is some misunderstanding.... I did not mean to express that the user has not received answers... just that, he has not selected one for any of his questions, the number of which is 38 in the aforementioned case.
 
@JanDvorak: no, it is not a big achievement to have X non-selected answers if you have many questions. It should either have some ratio into the calculation, or just purely look for an OP with only non-selected answers for all the questions.
in this case, the OP had 38 questions with most of them answered, but zero selected. I wonder if anyone can exceed that.
 
Hmm... You got the tools, you got the curiosity. What more do you get? Not my motivation ;-)
 
I am not that curious to do it on my own, fwiw. I am already impressed by a user having 38 (!) questions, and zero selected answer.
 
6:54 PM
@Laszlo Before you started participating on SO, there was a metric called "accept rate", that displayed the info you're talking about on every question a user asked. You can read about it on Meta.
It was removed because people were constantly badgering users to improve their accept rate.
And oftentimes people would avoid answering questions asked by people with a "low accept rate."
 
makes sense.
 
That doesn't answer your question, obviously. Just a little bit of trivia.
 
7:09 PM
To add to the trivia
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Q: Let's stop displaying a user's accept rate

BartMy feature request (or anti-feature-request perhaps) is the following: Let's stop displaying a user's accept rate. For those of you who know "Fawlty Towers", the whole issue of a visible accept rate and our behavior towards it starts to feel like "Don't mention the war!". We generally seem to ...

 
what was its benefit btw?
 
I guess the idea was to simply show users they could accept answers, and how successful their questions turned out to be. But the side-effects were rather terrible
 
209
A: Let's stop displaying a user's accept rate

jcolebrandAlternate request: Show the accept-rate to the owner of the question only, and only on question user-cards. That way they get a gentle reminder that they're rewarded for ticking the box, and nobody else has to see it. And move that public metric to their profile As pointed out below by bluef...

showing it only to the user would have solved that concern.
 
Yep
 
so, I am not sure why it has not been done like that....
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Q: Python+Qt what library/module use for reading and writing XML

VL.K.For my application I am using a combination of Python+Qt(PySide). I need to read from and write to XML. Currently I have implemented some part of functionality using Python's standard ElementTree module. But it has its drawbacks - for example I cannot do pretty printing of tabbed XML elemens but ...

is the OP right in here that it is a good question to avoid the closure?
I tried to avoid to be broad or opiniated, but apparently, that is what he wishes. Perhaps, it is just me thinking so, but I have seen many such questions closed.
 
7:22 PM
I am no longer an elf.
 
7:56 PM
Congrats, @GnomeSlice.
 
8:23 PM
gz. :)
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Q: 3D-Engine: Ogre vs. Panda3D (Use context: Python, Qt, OpenCV)

user3190383I need to choose a 3D engine for some kind of augmented reality application. I want to use Python (Version 2.7) for coding, so I need Python bindings. Currently I use pyqt for the GUI with some widgets in which I display OpenCV images. For the first steps I only need to overlay the video with so...

3 close votes needed. :-)
 
I was justing going to do my 40 in the close vote queue but that question just got one from me @LaszloPapp
 
@rene: oh, right.
leave a few free for me, heh. :-) Unfortunately, there are several closable questions in this tag, daily.
 
-2
Q: How to search for parts of a text using an array

user3191598So for example you have this string "ffdjsfdjsbd" and this array ["fdjs","djsb","jsbd] how would you be able to find the number of matches of each array index. i.e for fdjs, the result should be 2 and for djsb, 1.

wrong link...
@RobertHarvey are you sure that dupe question is the right question??? :P
welp - the community re-opened it. disregard
 
8:41 PM
Wow, looks like animuson is raging against unicorns today.
 
Heh, there are a bunch of duplicates of this but they're all closed as duplicates of each other in a circle (a few of which are deleted). Since none of them really mention Unicornfiy and don't really have useful information, I'll just delete the odd circle of duplicates and this can stay. — animuson 32 mins ago
 
I lost track of how many unicorn posts he deleted (because they were all in a big duplicate loop).
 
I just deleted the entire loop. Reopening them and closing them properly didn't seem very useful.
 
So which one is the "stay".
 
The one that was posted about an hour ago, that actually has up-to-date and useful information.
 
8:44 PM
If you mean the new "recover" one, it doesn't really give people the opportunity to have the answer (which is that they have to take a snapshot or save image) that the other chain of posts gave.
Note, I don't really care about unicorns, just hate to see memes vaporize.
 
Now it does.
 
Ok, thanks.
 
Perhaps the most useful answer I saw in the loop was this one, but I didn't delete that particular question.
 
Sigh. There goes more of my money.
 
hmm, someone complained about attracting women to SO....
 
8:48 PM
I need to go finish shaving so I don't look like a @jadarnel27
 
I read that thread 1-2 weeks ago, and I paid some special attention....
 
@LaszloPapp should be homosexual... or something weird (maybe machist?)
 
I have at least 10-15 ladies on the list now.
@Braiam: no, the idea was how to attract more females.
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Q: What can Stack Overflow do to persuade female programmers to participate more?

lkesslerI know a lot of female programmers, and I know there are a good number of them out there. But I don't recall ever having one of my questions answered by, nor have I ever answered a question by a female programmer here at Stack Overflow. Now I mostly deal in the Delphi tag, and that may make a d...

 
btw, someone can show me where's the meta-Q about closing all the "lists" questions?
ohhh....
 
4 delete votes?
 
8:51 PM
not gonna pass, that has too much upboats
 
I have 10-15 females on my list within 1-2 weeks while using SO a bit.... I wonder if I should submit the list... Probably not important.
@animuson: lot or few?
 
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