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Lix
8:25 AM
@bal - welcome back! Haven't seen you in a while...
 
I was on vacation for two weeks
thanks for the welcome back :)
 
Lix
Most welcome! Now that you are back... can I take 2 weeks off? :SS
 
I'll have to consult HR, but I'm afraid I won't be able to give you more than an extended weekend
maybe
 
Lix
Oh wow... thanks for reminding me!! I actually do have a long weekend coming up :P
 
Hello :)
 
Lix
8:37 AM
g'afternoon @luc
 
Very Good Afternoon to you too Lix, how are you
Hello Balpha
 
Lix
swamped with work and constantly trying to pull myself away from meta :P
not succeeding ATM :P
 
hmm,, all days are not same
hey , what was that ?
i got this message recently
 
Lix
Yes yes :P Tis true :P
@luc - here is the source :
 
I think same database issue , as Marc answer on that question of friend
 
Lix
8:43 AM
Basically Jeff says (quite correctly) that if we spend all our time here on meta talking about what we should do on Stack Overflow then we wont have any time left to actually contribute to Stack Overflow...
 
hmmm ok
5775....doing good,
I am not getting proper questions :(
neither on meta too, :(
 
Lix
:P I had a good rep day yesterday... although I woke up to a -34 this morning from a question that was deleted :(
 
:P
 
Not Me
But I have just flag it to as "Not an Answer" :)
 
ditto, but I can't vote to delete it because of the upvote
 
Dont worry, it will be remove, as I flagged it
 
Also first time I've seen someone admit to avoiding a question ban like: stackoverflow.com/questions/3695951/…
 
Looks like he is my old college mat
Hey Thanks @awoodland, he is my College Mat
 
9:24 AM
small world
 
Yeah, I was not in contact with him since last 2-3 years , and today suddenly met by incident
Wow, million thanks to the SO world. I just talked with him on cell phone
 
9:49 AM
See This link and link
 
Lix
@luc - good find
 
yeah
These days I am getting answers for flag only , not for reputation :(
 
10:13 AM
I could actually answer that one if it were in the right place too
normally the "why did you post on meta?" questions I have no idea what they're even talking about
 
10:26 AM
@awoodland you mean my friend's question ?
 
10:57 AM
@Lucifer the question you linked to on meta
about sse
 
Lix
11:12 AM
What a weird rep day this is turning out to be...
 
11:31 AM
@awoodland ok
@Lix what is this ?
 
Lix
Its my reputation changes for today... got even worse since -
Gonna have to work hard today to try make it up...
 
opps....
 
any mods plz
sorry please
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Q: How to group column headers in display tag?

AshishI am using display tag in my web application. I need to group column headers in the display tag. E.g.,

answer to this post is copied from coderanche
do this is allowed in stackoverflow
iam unable to flag the answer. So iam posting it here
 
Lix
11:47 AM
@dam - I'm not 100% certain that a flag is appropriate here... I've left a comment though... and voted :P
 
my browser is not supporting flaging so i postted here, even though i entered 10 characters its keep on asking enter atleat 10 characters
@Lix thanks
 
Lix
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A: Should I flag plagiarism for moderator attention?

Robert HarveyYour flag says, "Possible Copyright Infringement," not "This post was plagiarized." Moderators cannot handle copyright claims. Copyright claims should be directed at SE corporate, as a DMCA Takedown Notice. Instead of making a copyright infringement claim, simply state in your flag "This post ...

I guess I was wrong :P I'll raise a flag...
 
ya you should raise a flag
 
Lix
done
 
@Lix thanks for cleaning this book...
 
11:50 AM
which flag you raised ? @Lix
 
i feel this app as massive storage of knowledge and book
 
Lix
custom flag....
"As stated in the comments - this post was plagiarized from here - coderanch.com/t/438894/open-source/… with no attribution..."
 
@Lucifer i tried custom flagging, but my browser is not supporting it
 
Lix
This is how Robert Harvey♦ had instructed to formulate a flag for these reasons...
 
ok
 
Lix
11:52 AM
@dam - what browser?
 
@Lix IE 7.0.5730.05
 
Lix
Are you forced to use IE7 at work or something?
 
ya
 
with a crazy proxy too?
 
@Lix at work
 
Lix
11:54 AM
mmm... that makes me sad :(
 
@awoodland yap
@Lix i have good flagging points but somtimes iam unable to flag because of this browser
 
Lix
its sad and there is not much to do in this case... your companies IT guys need to fight for better browsers :)
 
@Lix :) but if iam unable to flag, i put here to attention
 
Lix
If you really wanna get those flags out you could always favorite the question and come back to flag them when you get home ...
 
@Lix ya its a good idea. But hopfully i have very week memory cannt get into Stack at my home. Wife smashes me if i check other things in home :)
 
11:59 AM
week memory :P
 
Lix
hahaha - I know the feeling! :P
 
Thank God, I am still Single
 
@Lucifer you are lucky
 
Lix
Well the next best thing @dam - is to post them here :P we'll flag em' for ya!
@luc - don't listen to him! ;)
 
@Lix ha ha ha funny :)
 
12:01 PM
why ? @Lix
 
Lix
The grass is always greener on the other side :P
 
ha ha , gotcha
 
@Lucifer what i said is not true, office work is at office and at home to be with her. No wifes will be that harsh. Enjoy the life :)
 
Lix
I think our wives/GF's are just jealous of how much satisfaction we get from Stack Overflow :P
 
well i believe , the both case has its own pros and cons
:P
 
Lix
12:04 PM
you can't exactly down vote her food or flag her friends can you? ;)
 
agree with you Lix
 
I tried flagging things she said as "not an answer" or "not a real question", but that didn't go down too well
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@Lix you are right.
 
ha ha ... awoodland, nice one
 
Lix
GF - "But Lix! You should know by now how I feel about that"....
Lix - "Lix is not a mindreader http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/128551/172936"
 
12:06 PM
:P
 
Lix
@awo - do not flag as NC - they hate that one...
 
@Lix NC means
 
Lix
Not constructive :P Its all the Close Vote options
 
and what is the meaning of OP ?
I saw it on many comments
 
Lix
It can mean Original Poster or simply Original Post...
 
12:09 PM
okies
 
Lix
It's referring to the user or the post...
NARQ always tripped me up :P Can you guys guess what that one is?
 
nopes :P
 
Lix
"Not A Real Question"
 
ok
 
Lix
12:24 PM
Good morning to @timJ and @dav
 
Good afternoon, @Lix. Have you caught up from your rep deficit yet?
 
Lix
well one of the answers I voted on got deleted...so.. got that one back... otherwise... no :/
so there is fake josh and funny josh?? :S
 
Ah. Well, you've still got time =)
I suppose so. I just thought that username was awesome. LOL.
 
Man, all this business travel is messing with my internal clock/calendar.
Even when I don't cross timezones, it's hard to even figure out what day it is.
 
Lix
@dav - I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but... its Monday...
 
12:32 PM
Ah, I remember that feeling from my last job.
 
Don't get me wrong, I love the travel. It just spins one around sometimes.
In a few weeks my employer is sending me to the Philippines for a month.
 
@David That sounds pretty sweet =)
 
@David are we allowed to ask who you work for?
 
@David Yeah, I enjoyed it too actually. For me, it was always the fact that we traveled on Sundays. So it made the weekend feel short, and sort of threw off my rhythm.
 
@awoodland A consulting company called Magenic. Pretty awesome job, actually.
 
12:40 PM
Hmmm. I think this user unintentionally made this post worse (revisions). He deleted the error message from the original post, which was the only thing that even kind of indicated what was wrong. At least I hope it was unintentional.
 
@Timjadarnel27 I had a Monday-Thursday trip to Colorado and then a Tuesday-Sunday trip to Florida, so my feel for what day of the week it is was completely shot.
 
Haha, wow! That'll do it.
Unless we were going somewhere out of the country, pretty much all travel was: leave Sunday morning / afternoon, return late Friday.
 
@Timjadarnel27 and a capital I for no apparent reason
 
Yeah...weird. Notice he didn't capitalize the I from the awful title: "How can i do that?"
 
Lix
@timJ - Deeptechtons had 8 edit suggestions approved, and 3 edit suggestions rejected. Hopefully with time he'll understand :P
 
12:44 PM
@Lix Well he has 2k now, so we're all doomed =)
 
Lix
haha... all hands on deck!
 
removed the bit that said "this is my site" didn't fix anything
 
Lix
well he is an outlaw... what can you expect? ;)
A rollback would be appropriate don't you think? @awo
 
@Lix I just flagged NAA
 
Lix
well its a link only... and in anycase that question is faaar off topic... I'm sure it'll be deleted soon...
 
1:25 PM
@Lix Am I doing it right yet?
 
Lix
nice :P
 
Lix
I also haven't suggested any edits :P
Only approving the "DO NOT USE" edits :P
 
Oh, well I'm glad I'm not alone =)
The asp.net tag wiki is useless. I should probably attempt to improve that some time.
I played Diablo for 5 hours straight Friday with some friends. I haven't played a video game like that in a while.
 
I played an awful lot of dungeon defenders until recently
 
1:40 PM
Surprise that there is only one user on the Meta with that Research Assistant Badge
 
I never even look at /tags on meta
 
Is that waffle iron real?
 
Something about it looks wrong, but I can't put my finger on what.
Haha, I'm slow.
wants a waffle iron that looks like a keyboard
 
Lix
That waffle iron just reminds me that I have a long way till 10K...
 
1:50 PM
Hi @balpha ! A couple of days ago you said that the Mathematica.SE syntax highlighter fix will be added to the next build I was wondering how long it usually takes until changes like this become active. Is it usually around a day's time, or a week? (I.e. is it active already?)
 
@Lix Looks like it only took you about 3.5 months to make it halfway there. You're on the way, man.
 
Lix
on meta yes :P on Stack Overflow... not so easy :P
 
Oh, right. I assumed you were talking about Meta.
 
@Szabolcs I saw your comment, I'll let you know :) It's not built out yet (we rarely build the sites on weekends unless there are important fixes to go out)
should go out today though
 
Uh oh... crosses fingers :P
 
1:53 PM
Thanks! :-)
 
Lix
yay - meta rep cap hit once again :P
drat... should have posted that tomorrow :P
 
2:15 PM
Pops-Perturbing Pedantic Problem of the Day: "Thanks for registering for WorkRelatedWebsite.com! Your username is [username] and your password is [password, IN PLAINTEXT]!" e-mails.
I could just change my password, but they'd probably send me a confirmation e-mail displaying it again.
 
@PopularDemand I wish I had the power to say "I'm not signing up for your service unless it supports OpenID"
 
I'm going to spend the rest of the day trying to think of a way to convince them that they're wrong. And I'm probably going to fail.
 
It wouldn't be so bad if it was a password they'd made up and required you to change at first login
 
Astoundingly, Consumer Reports used to do the same thing. I hope they learned their lesson since I registered.
 
@PopularDemand The Stack Exchange blogs do that |:
 
2:24 PM
o_O
 
All hope is lost, then.
 
We could /blame WordPress, but I don't think we've blamed @RebeccaChernoff recently...so let's do that instead.
 
I thought WP supported OpenID properly too though?
 
I'm sure it does. It's actually rather confusing, because someone creates your account, it sends you an activation link, and then clicking on the activation link gives you a username and password instead of it just asking you for one on the activation screen.
(by "gives you" I mean "emails you", of course)
 
2:43 PM
I wonder if there's an existing question on Programmers or IT Security like "How would you explain to a non-technical manager why it's bad to send passwords in plaintext e-mails?"
 
@PopularDemand "How would you explain" or "How should you explain"? Because my preferred method of explaining that might involve hitting him with a wiffle bat full of quarters.
 
@David You, sir, need to sit down with a copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
 
@PopularDemand A friend is actually the prize if you hit enough managers in the head. It's like extreme whack-a-mole.
 
@PopularDemand I might rather have secure passwords than friends.
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2:55 PM
And with that, I'm off to work.
 
Getting people to do something because they believe in it is generally better than getting people to do something because they believe in not getting hit with the quarter bat again.
 
@PopularDemand Agreed, this is all in jest. If I had that many quarters they'd be in a vending machine, not a wiffle bat.
It's actually a question that's come up on SO and Programmers many times... "I know that X is right, and I like to think I understand why it's right. But how can I explain it to those who don't understand it?"
 
I know, but I'm not aware of one for this specific question.
 
The industry in general doesn't seem to have such canonical references of "the right way" vs. "the wrong way" though. Mostly, I think, because it's often very subjective. But also because sometimes "the wrong way" is seen as "good enough" by the product owner for varying reasons.
 
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Q: Should we send both username and password after registration?

Sarawut PositwinyuAfter users have registered on a website, should that website send both username and password in their registration confirmation email ?

 
3:00 PM
@PopularDemand I would be interested in seeing the response to a question like that if you decide to post it.
 
3:11 PM
 
@Timjadarnel27 That's not the Death Star he's pointing at his face
 
@TimYiJiang Nor is it a power ring. I suppose that caption could be better.
Made me laugh when I saw it yesterday, though =)
 
3:27 PM
@Timjadarnel27 I can't think of a way to ask it that won't get insta-closed.
 
3:58 PM
@PopularDemand Gotcha. I haven't spent any time on Programmers really, so I wasn't sure.
 
4:23 PM
Are there any audiophiles in here who could recommend some quality in-ear headphones?
 
5:15 PM
@Timjadarnel27 I thought "quality in hear headphones" was an oxymoron
 
@Timjadarnel27 - i've been quite happy with my Sure EC3's & SE115m+. There pretty durable, are easy on the ear canal when using them for 3-8 hour stretches, and decent for running too.
the EC3's were replaced by the SE315's (i believe)
 
5:33 PM
@EBarr Thanks man, I'll check that out!
@awoodland Perhaps it is ^_^ I just want something I can listen to at work that sounds good.
 
Wish I had some feedback from a moderator if this could eventually be implemented:

http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/130848/reputation-graph-improvement
 
The left half of my cheap gas station headphones went out, so I'm missing alot of stuff when I listen to stereo mixed music (guitar solos and whatnot are often panned all the way right).
@karlphillip I think it's a great idea, +1 from me.
 
@Timjadarnel27 awesome, thanks.
@NickCraver maybe someone like you :)
 
5:50 PM
@karlphillip - I would be totally against that in particular, not showing the sum somewhere else though
the number up top should not change between filters, etc...but the summation as indicated/related to the graph is certainly feasible, just give us a decent mockup of where to put it that makes sense
 
6:08 PM
Whoa...
 
@Timjadarnel27 "Q: What should I look for to get good headphones? A: The Sennheiser logo." Can't remember where I saw that originally, and I know it was a joke, but it's worked out pretty well for me. I'm no expert, though.
Anyone ever heard of Warrior Dash?
 
@PopularDemand Looks very similar to Run For Your Lives
 
Huh, I'd never heard of that one. Not interested in the zombie theme, though.
 
@PopularDemand It's more niche, definitely. A friend of mine did it this year and had a blast. He's not big into zombies either, but enough so that the gimmick wasn't lost on him.
 
6:24 PM
@Lix You there?
 
6:54 PM
@PopularDemand Cool man. I'll take a look at those as well.
 
If you're not in a rush, they do seem to show up on sale on NewEgg and Groupon and the like every few weeks.
 
Nice. I'll keep an eye out. Definitely no rush, I've been using the half-broken ones for weeks =)
 
7:16 PM
I wonder if it would be worth breaking the no pseudotags in titles rule for FAQ entries on meta sites. It would make those links seem more authoritative and worth clicking on for confused newbies, but it could also encourage them to use their own pseudotags elsewhere.
 
@PopularDemand What would be an example of adding pseudotags to a faq post title?
 
"FAQ: How do accepted answers work?"
 
Oh, I see what you mean (now).
 
I think everyone has a different name for those.
 
Ooooo new blog
 
7:27 PM
Nooooooooooooo, Big Slidy Orange!!!
I always kept at least one of him open on SO to add a bit of extra color to the page.
 
So basically it's just a big badge notification inbox? xP
 
@animuson Right now... Mostly. Laying the groundwork for more useful stuff, but had to make them less annoying first.
 
"…a tab in the Stack Exchange Genuine dropdown" - Kevin misspelled "StackExchange™ MultiCollider SuperDropdown™"
 
@Timjadarnel27 Yeah, I snuck a link in there 'cause I didn't believe it was actually called "genuine" anywhere either when I read it ;-P
 
Haha, nicely done =)
 
7:31 PM
Apparently, it doubles as Stack Exchange's Official Seal of Authenticity
(don't buy any Stack without it)
 
What should I do if I have found a Stack being sold without a cover or an Official Seal of Authenticity?
 
What is pointing it out on meta and getting reputations for it?
 
Contact the merchant you bought it from and request a refund.
 
The kind of merchant that sells knockoff SEs isn't the kind of merchant that gives refunds.
 
7:49 PM
Wait... Don't they give those away for free?
 
@Timjadarnel27 It is genuwinely JavaScript-generated.
 
needs more jQuery
 
Wow, Slidy is already gone. I haven't felt like this since we lost Bouncy a year and a half ago.
 
I won't miss it.
 
You heartless cretin!
 
7:59 PM
It deserved what it had coming!
 
I challenge you to whatever sort of contest is customary for a tavern such as this one, for the memory of Slidy!
Adapted as appropriate to our telecommunicative setting, of course.
 
To Diablo 3!
 
I suppose I have no choice but to forfeit, since I have neither the software nor the time to play.
 
Hooray for easy victories!
 
@TimStone: Now if you could have some victories over your code. Tell it who's boss!
 
8:10 PM
Yeah...yeah. :(
Well, this hasn't appeared to have gone horribly wrong, so I'll consider that a victory. :P
 
Even though I trusted your judgement, I still looked at it :)
and tested locally
so you could still blame me...
 
That was a good call ;) But no, I did also test it before writing my answer, so I didn't expect any issues.
 
I'm going to start using random semicolons in all of my postings; just because people complain about them so much.
 
Also, even though it's possibly a sign you've gone crazy, I appreciate your trust in me. :P
I had originally tried some tricky lookahead solutions to avoid throwing a third regex into the mix, but if I recall correctly, Prettify divides up the whole input into tokens using some mega-regex it builds from all of the options, then wraps them by iterating through the set and trying to match on the specific patterns...which of course fails with lookaheads, since the token doesn't have the piece you need to lookahead on any longer.
 
yeah, on the other hand it probably reduces the risk of regexes going wild
pretty much "make everything non-greedy"
 
8:23 PM
Ah, that's a good point.
I suppose bad things could still happen in the mega-regex, but perhaps there's less room for disaster.
 
@animuson Tha;t doesn';t ;se;e;m v;ery r;an;d;om;.
 
I refuse to upvote this question simply because it rambles about semicolons for the first part of the question.
 
JNK
Random Q for the tavern - anyone have any ideas on if the podcast is dead or what?
 
8:42 PM
Hmm, good question. The final podcast with Jeff suggested that they wouldn't be doing any more, but I believe Jeff said then that he didn't feel like it had to end completely. Afterward, there was the other podcast related to policy with good ol' @Shog9 here, and I thought there was some talk that there'd be more like that...but again, nothing definite.
 
JNK
Well I felt like the Jeff one was kind of like that, but then they had the Shog one like you mentioned and I was expecting/hoping business as usual
It always seemed like the podcast was more Joel's thing anyways
 
That's weird... While I was typing an answer to a question, the page moved down and left a blank white space at the top where orange slidey used to be, rather than displaying the new "there is a new answer" grey box...
 
GHOST OF SLIDY!
 
9:04 PM
I dialed 555-2368, where did you see it?
 
@TimStone Yeah, that might happen more in the future, but - not to put too fine a point on it, but - I'm not Jeff. There was a certain dynamic there that's hard to really maintain.
@animuson Hmm... Haven't seen that one.
 
You're a disembodied head, though. The visual we all get when you're talking is more than enough to keep things interesting. But, and in no way a criticism against you, I know what you mean.
 
9:35 PM
When a question is deleted and you have an answer which qualifies to keep reputation, do you also keep the +15 for accepted answer? As far as I'm aware, deleting the question unaccepts the answer, so it would make sense they'd lose the +15 no matter what?
 
That said, I have no idea what happens there.
 
Weird, I've noticed a lot of questions which get deleted no longer have an accepted answer. What would cause one to keep it and others to not keep it?
 
I dunno, I'd need a counterexample.
For what it's worth, that post happens to also be CW, but.
I still have the +15 for the accept.
 
I don't know how to tell if an answer was accepted once it's deleted. I know some of these had accepted answers (going through my flagging history) but none of them are listed as having accepted answers anymore.
 
Yeah, the timeline is broken for deleted posts. |:
 
9:47 PM
When was your question deleted? Maybe there was a rule change?
 
January 20th
I have two other instances that were (and still are) marked as accepted.
But they were both deleted before the one in the screenshot.
 
I've gone through my entire flagging history and didn't see anything that was deleted with the green box next to it.
 
Hmm, I don't think I have anything relevant flagged on Meta to see.
 
I have a list of 1200 flags on SO main
 
Ah
It doesn't show non-owners the accept.
I don't know why.
But you do keep the reputation, according to the reputation history.
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Q: Accepted answers to deleted questions don't have a checkmark

lunboksIt seems that when an answer is implicitly deleted along with the parent question, it loses its checkmark. This, coupled with the fact that the timeline view is broken for deleted questions, makes it impossible to tell what the accepted answer to a deleted question used to be. If, on the other h...

 
9:59 PM
Ok, good to know. Through investigation on one meta question of mine that was deleted, I have determined that they do lose the +15 if their answer didn't qualify for the keep-the-rep criteria.
 
Oh, right.
(the deleted post above qualified in my case, the other two didn't)
Actually, let's see if I was even right then, or if it's just random which have it and which don't. Answer in question, from the screenshot.
 
It shows me the check mark there.
 
Ah, so random then.
 
Maybe it is connected to community wiki mode?
 
Can you see it on this answer?
 
10:03 PM
Yes, so maybe not. xP
So we're back to the time thing. All of the examples so far were deleted before February. :/
Let's just blame balpha for breaking something we don't know about :)
 
Yeah, the other example I found that was deleted in the last day or so didn't have the checkmark, even though it used to.
But that was someone else's answer, which is what prompted my earlier speculation.
 
10:42 PM
@Shog9: The ghost of Slidy appeared again on that meta question. Same conditions. Was typing an answer, blank space at top.
 
@animuson thanks. Probably expect this to be a bit shaky today.
 
Woohoo food!
 
11:43 PM
Hullo
 

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