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12:07 AM
Hey
There seems to be a serious markdown problem, seen in this post:
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A: Caching built-in Mathematica data so they won’t download again after the next Mathematica restart

Leonid ShifrinNote: SE editor appears to be broken and shows some text below as a part of the code Please note that parts of the explanations and initialization code is shown together with the main function code, as a single large code block. I will appreciate any help on this matter - I am quite confused, pe...

Where should this be reported?
Note that some of the text appears as code
 
@Szabolcs meta.stackoverflow would be appropriate for this if it applies to all sites.
I can't even make it break out of the code with <!-- -->
trying to make a MWE for it
 
@awoodland what is MWE?
@awoodland should this be reported on meta.mathematica or meta.SO?
 
@Szabolcs minimal working example
meta.so if it's a more general bug
@Szabolcs looks like it's only happening on mathematica perhaps
actually it happens on math.se as well
but not tex.se
bit it does happen on cstheory
 
@awoodland it must be MathJax related
it's related to a $ sign
 
not sure if that's a bug or not then....
 
12:18 AM
Minimal example:
       $

asd asd

       $
Well, MathJax should stay out of code blocks ...
 
appears
 
hey @TimStone
 
'Ello
 
if I put a \ in front of the $ it works, but the \ is visible in the code block
so I think it's a bug
and I think it's applicable to more than just mathematica so meta.stackoverflow.com would look like the right place
 
alright, I'll post there
 
12:20 AM
O_o
Interesting...
 
I'm going to wonder what I was doing next time I ask a question on tex.SE and have the "ask question" box pre-filled with some mathematica code I don't really understand :)
 
12:31 AM
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Q: $ signs prevent code blocks from ending on MathJax-enabled SE sites

SzabolcsIt looks like on StackExchange sites that have MathJax enabled, certain placements of $ characters inside code blocks can prevent the code block from ending. Here's an example post where this has happened. Please see the longest code block: the middle should be text, but it is rendered as code....

got to sleep now
'night!
@awoodland thanks for the tagging, I'm really tired ... 2:30 am here ...
 
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Q: Stack Overflow Mentioned On NPR's "Wait, Wait - Don't Tell Me" and NY Times

duffymoWow - stackoverflow.com was cited by "Wait, Wait" as a reference this weekend. NY Times picked it up, too: It was a big week in science. Physicists at the Large Hadron Collider say they may have found the “God particle,” and one computer scientist came up with a new way of finding: A. W...

 
12:50 AM
@Szabolcs I added a screenshot too from a mathjax enabled site because it's kind of tricky to grok otherwise
 
Ah, I see what the problem is...
Hmm
 
1:17 AM
Not really clear on what causes it to happen in the actual server-rendered view, though.
 
 
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2:57 AM
I have to talk to this office about their blocking this chat.
I'm always so productive when I post in here.\
Regarding lunch plans, etc.
 
I'll vouch for you if you want to pretend that we're your personal motivational therapists.
 
Lol
 
@TimStone Huzzah.
I half expect to see the message: Stackoverflow.com was blocked because it is in the following category: cheating.
Learn the hard way.
 
3:16 AM
I've a question that's hard to Google and hard to search on meta.stackoverflow.com ... I normally sign in to StackExchange sites with my Google ID (for a year or two now). Is there a way I can instead login with a separate StackExchange only ID and keep my profile & points ?
 
@BrianL If you go to your profile, you'll have the option of adding additional OpenIDs when you click on "my logins", next to the "network profile" link in the top right of the page.
Once you've added a new one, you should be able to remove your existing Google login.
 
@TimStone Ah, thanks very much Tim. Let me take a look... Does StackExchange provide it's own OpenID service? By that I mean, does StackExchange dole out OpenID credentials ?
 
They started to a little while ago, you can register here: openid.stackexchange.com
 
3:41 AM
@TimStone Awesome, thanks Tim. Oddly enough, I thought that doing that would set the user name for my StackOverflow, et al. to the same as my OpenID on StackExchange, but it looks like that's not the case ?
I set my OpenID to "B.Long", but it looks like my username around StackExchange is still "Brian L."
 
Aye, it won't pull names from your OpenID provider anymore. But, if you want to make a name change network-wide, you can set your name on your profile and then sync your profile across all of your accounts. Of course, this copies over everything, including the current site's description so it might not be ideal.
 
3:57 AM
@TimStone Thanks again, Tim. Glad to see SO/SE offering an OpenID :)
 
No problem, happy to help!
 
 
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12:56 PM
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Q: Where to submit CSS feature requests

David O'SullivanDoes any one know any official place where CSS feature requests can be made? I would like to request that there be an 'inset' keyword added to the text-shadow property so we can have inset text shadows. This seems totally logical since it is there on box-shadow, why not text-shadows aswell? :)

Is this question on topic?
 
1:24 PM
@YiJiangsProble_ I would say it's off topic on SO, yes. It is only tangentially related to programming. It is a good question though.
 
1:42 PM
@cdeszaq Well, not particularly. I'm not quite convinced it's not the sort of info which is just one Google away. Lemme give it a try...
Oh well, a search for "CSS feature requests" brought up that question as the first result!
"CSS working group"'s second result is what he's looking for though: w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work.en.html#contribute
 
@YiJiangsProble_ I think that a good answer to that question is a bit more complex. You would need to get the feature into the w3c spec, get a couple of browsers to implement it, and ultimately, it doesn't matter unless the browsers he wants support it
@YiJiangsProble_ Google is surprisingly fast
 
2:14 PM
The tavern is slowly dying, I fear. This place was once really really active, and now half the regulars have stopped showing.
 
@Moshe That's unfortunate. I also think it might be a time-of-day thing. Seems to pick up in about 30 more minutes or so
 
@Moshe I hope not. That said, I've been seeing the same thing
Not to say I'm not part of the problem, but, eh...
 
Would a question regarding one's hands getting cold while programming be a better fit on P.SE than on SO?
 
@cdeszaq ... neither?
 
I'm not entirely sure it really fits either of them
darn
 
2:22 PM
Programmers is slightly more open to the discussion type questions
SO is definitely no no for that question
 
Does anyone know if someone makes a heated keyboard and/or heated mouse?
@YiJiangsProble_ That's what I thought. I'll give it a whirl on P.SE and if it gets closed, oh well
 
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Q: Do you have finger/wrist pain? How do you deal with that?

Mr. ZenPerhaps I shouldn't be asking this but as a programmer I don't see a better place than where programmers meet. After more than a decade of programming almost everyday, my fingers hurt really bad after a few hours of typing. Do you have these issues? I tried different keyboards - while they help t...

Ergonomics questions have been closed, so I'm quite sure that question you have there would be off topic too
 
@YiJiangsProble_ dang...well, I guess I'll peruse the interwebs...stupid cold hands. thx
 
@cdeszaq: Google gives me this: warm-mouse-heated-keyboard.com
 
@YiJiangsProble_ We used to have Dan Grossman, Michael Meyers and Michael Petrotta, Rebecca Chernoff, GeorgeEdison, TylerChaCha, Cole, Yourself, Josh (The__Exception), and probably several others. 8 of 10 folks stopped chatting. Cole sometimes stops in although I have a feeling we'll be seeing less of him. Once people stop, they stop.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some people.
Oh, Olivier
Pekka (although he does stop by sometimes)
 
2:31 PM
@David Thanks! It looks like their site drank the SEO kool-aid, but it's a start.
 
Rebecca was hired, Josh's business picked up.
Not sure where Dan went.
 
@Moshe Dan still uses the site, but he's missing from chat for quite a while now
 
@YiJiangsProble_ I don't generally look for people, although I have noticed a few folks. I stick to my tags, which might be part of the problem.
Well, whatever, chat used to be fun.
Now it's my classes and random folks who stop in.
^---- Ghost town ----^
 
tumbleweed
 
Oh, George Marian too.
I see his gravatar a bit on the side.
Sheesh, what once was...
 
2:34 PM
The unicorns have gone on to greener pastures
3
 
@jd Have you been around in the good old days?
 
Or...candy cane fields. Wherever unicorns hang out
 
It looks like I'll have to do the same. I'm working on some apps...
I probably will stop in now and then and again.
 
@Moshe No. I've only been activiely using this for a few months.
 
Obsessively.
@jadarnel27 Right, I know. Sorry for making this place seem so welcoming.
:-)
 
2:35 PM
Oh. Sorry. what I mean to say is that it hasn't changed much since I've been here =)
 
It used to be much more active.
 
So I assume the "good old days" happened before my time
 
@mootinator and @YiJiangsProble are among the last beacons of this place.
 
@Moshe You're not doing @TimStone and @RebeccaChernoff justice
 
^^^That's true. They are in here a lot
 
2:37 PM
@YiJiangsProble_ Yea, but they're employees and are here much less often.
@YiJiangsProble_ But that's a fair point.
According to meta, my meta account is nearly 2 years old.
My SO account is even three months older.
So @jadarnel27 - I'm talking about 2 years ago.
Wow, people moved on.
I got my 100th bronze badge on SO today.
 
And am at 89 and a half consecutive days towards my 4th gold badge.
 
Thanks.
But I'm still slightly disappointed at the lack of activity here.
I'm going to go get back to work.
 
is studying for his German exam today
 
2:40 PM
@TheUnicornWhisperer Nice.
I'm trying to learn German. Just ask @Pekka.
 
I know, I was here when he sent you a very weird sentence. :D
 
Oh, right.
Die Schöß ist fruchtbar noch, aus dem die kroch. Right?
(I think that was it, typing from memory.)
 
Almost.
The article is wrong, it is der Schoß.
 
Oh.
I'm an English speaker. And Hebrew, the other language I know some of doesn't have that many articles.
 
Die Walküre! That's German, right?
 
2:44 PM
Er, any, I think. Except for the letter ה.
 
Don't worry, the articles are the most complicated part of the German language.
@jadarnel27 Yes.
 
Er, well, whatever, I don't know the names of parts of speech as well as I should.
 
@TheUnicornWhisperer All of the German I know is from my musical studies then =)
 
Also, what's sad is that I'm in the top 10 chat users and Cole and TheUnhandledException are the only non-employees above me.
And Josh hasn't even been here in a while.
Wow.
Ok, enough complaining.
</complaining>
 
@Moshe Having tons of chat is awesome though :P
 
2:47 PM
Right, where is Josh?
 
@TheUnicornWhisperer Been working months.
Which I should be doing.
 
I'm actually in the top 8, not even 10.
I forgot about badp, popularDemand and shog9 earlier.
</complain>
</rootnode>
 
thinks people are talking about him because he keeps seeing the name "Josh" pop up
 
Now I know what j stands for.
 
2:52 PM
Oh noooooooooooo! What have done?!?!?
 
Thoughts on my blog post?
 
@Moshe I like it. Very "stream of consciousness". It's interesting to read what others seem to notice or find important. Good stuff =)
 
@jadarnel27 Thanks.
Stream of consciousness?
 
haha
Sorry, it's a writing style I read about a while back:
In literary criticism, stream of consciousness is a narrative mode that seeks to portray an individual's point of view by giving the written equivalent of the character's thought processes, either in a loose interior monologue, or in connection to his or her actions. Stream-of-consciousness writing is usually regarded as a special form of interior monologue and is characterized by associative leaps in syntax and punctuation that can make the prose difficult to follow. Stream of consciousness and interior monologue are distinguished from dramatic monologue, where the speaker is addressing...
I guess it doesn't completely apply, now that I'm reading that Wikipedia article.
 
Ah, ok.
So change "very" to "somewhat"?
 
3:07 PM
Right!
 
lol
 
It reads like I would imagine the thoughts in your head sound as they happen. It kind of jumps from topic to topic as you notice things.
 
I did that intentionally. :-)
Lot's of typos, btw.
Oooh, I got a star.
Sweet.
 
I think this is a fantastic idea:
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Q: Automatically redirect or block Meta questions regarding question bans

JNK's MetAccountIt seems like every 4 hours or so, we get a question along the lines of: "Why cannot I ask the question?" "Banned from question asking, plz fix!" "Modrater plz unban me I need to ask! Plz fix asap!" etc... etc... etc... etc... etc... ...ad nausem... (do not click if you value your sa...

 
3:31 PM
I think there are evil forces at work that try to destroy me in the Ask Ubuntu moderator election.
They plan to provide evidence that I kill unicorns!
 
Hey @TheUnicornWhisperer, @awoodland! Check this out =)
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Q: Is "IMHO" a rude thing to say (or type)?

jadarnel27The initialism1 IMHO stands for "in my humble opinion". It's commonly used in text-based communication (chat clients, forums, popular Q&A platforms). Here's an example: Person A: What do you think about implementing this new feature request? Person B: The cost for that change out...

I gave it a shot, we'll see how it goes over...
 
@jadarnel27 interesting, I'll take a look in a bit as I'm in a minibus on 3g :)
 
@awoodland Thanks!
@TheUnicornWhisperer Oh dear...now we all know why you've been whispering to them. It's just to lure them in.
 
3:44 PM
@jadarnel27 - Even though there's a zillion of them: My new blog post on using VIM
 
Hrm. I've never used VIM. And pretty much only use Windows. ducks and hides
 
@jadarnel27 - I pretty much only use windows too.
 
@jadarnel27 You can download VIM here.
 
While I'm comfortable in non-windows land, it's just what I'm most familiar with.
When I've accidentally gotten into vim while working on linux-y things, I always get lost. Simply exiting is hard!
 
Naaw.
[Esc] [:][q]
 
3:55 PM
For any CLI editing I need to do, I usually use nano (I'm mostly on ubuntu)
Yeah, it's not too hard, but there's not much of a way to intuitively get to that
 
Well, there's command mode. Then there's [q] for quit.
 
:) knowing about command mode (whithout having any real clue) is the hard part. I'm sure the man page has that info front-and-center, but when you just drop into vim, all you really get is an empty screen
 
@cdeszaq: "vimtutor" :)
 
and if I recall correctly, ctrl+c doesn't exit, like it does for most programs. (been a while though, so I might be wrong)
 
CTRL + S is the worst thing to type in the terminal
and I never
ever
remember the combination to exit it :P
 
4:01 PM
@Moshe Err, say what? :P
 
@TimStone Well, not you. Rebecca is less active.
 
I meant more that I wasn't an employee the last time I checked. ;)
 
True story. Less active in this room.
Oh, I thought you were. My mistake.
 
I would confess to being less active, though, even if I'm still here all the time.
 
4:03 PM
ok
 
@TimStone lurker
 
Well, I gotta run.
 
Heh
 
@Matt Ctrl-Q
 
I believe @TimStone has done work for stackexchange though =)
 
4:07 PM
@awoodland: I'll remember that... until I need it :P. I always end up heading to Google. Maybe I should write it on a massive sticky note above my monitor :P
 
I think it's that, I learned how to do it by habbit once so I can't say for certain without a terminal to test it on :)
 
@jadarnel27 Yeah, although true credit still goes to waffles on that one :)
 
Anyone know how to make the navigation bar go away in Chrome?
 
except for F11 (fullscreen) I don't think that's possible
 
Also, anyone know of any user scripts to make SE chat more workable in a small browser window?
@balpha Dang...I'm looking for a way to have SE chat(s) up without taking up so much scree space. Need to get another monitor I guess
 
4:18 PM
The "H" in "IMHO" usually is a lie.
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@balpha That is fan-freakin'-tastic =)
In a related note, my question on EL&U is not being very favorably recieved.
 
4:33 PM
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What?! Imaginary creatures are words too!
 
@TimStone Imaginary creatures are words ...that's a scary thought...
 
I am much better at answering questions than I am at asking them =/
 
@jadarnel27 Same here. I think it's because the best questions seem to be rather simple ones, and I tend to be able to figure most of the simple stuff out on my own. The questions I usually have are much more lengthy.
 
@cdeszaq "the best questions seem to be rather simple ones" - I don't think that's necessarily true. But I can relate to the lengthy part. I overthink anything I try to ask (usually to the point where I figure it out and end up not having to ask).
 
Yup. I usually either figure out the answer, or figure out why it's a bad question, and don't end up asking it. Most often this happens after writing about a page of "question" consisting mostly of context.
 
4:53 PM
Haha, yes. I've actually started doing that as a late-game debugging step: "How would ask about this problem on SO?"
 
I cannot (404). ...Unless your guest post is just a 404 error mesaage.
In which I case, I do see that ;-)
 
Lol, no probably hidden then.
Ok, imout.
 
5:05 PM
@Moshe unless your guest post's title is "oh no, 404" and it consists of a JPG saying "Page not found": no.
 
5:28 PM
Hi all
 
Anyone a fan of Doctor Who here?
 
 
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6:46 PM
@jadarnel27 I would entirely agree with your description of @Moshe's blog post as "stream of consciousness"
Kind of reads like Stephen King?
 
7:15 PM
@Chris Ok, I'm glad I'm not crazy then =)
Never read any Stephen King though.
 
Oh, he likes to switch back and forth between characters
Many of which are only used for a single scene in the story
 
That sounds like it would be interesting. I've always wanted to read Stephen King, but never taken the time to pick up one of his books.
 
I may take some flak for this, but I did enjoy the Gunslinger series
 
I tend to get stuck on one author for a while, and then read every book they've ever written. Which really messes with my author-diversity =)
 
Unless you're a fast reader :)
 
7:22 PM
I have a serious problem with books.
I'm out of space on my shelf.
 
Yeah, that's why I'm thinking that ebooks may be the way to go
 
@Chris I am not fast enough haha
 
I don't like ebooks.
 
@TheUnicornWhisperer There's something nice about having a fluffy chunk of tree in your hands
 
7:47 PM
@TheUnicornWhisperer I probably read as much text via RSS feeds as I do on old-fashioned paper
It becomes a very slippery slope from that point on :)
My only real issue is with DRM
 
8:09 PM
@Moshe That's mainly because @jcole wouldn't shut up.
 
8:36 PM
@mootinator You're correct sir.
Therefore I've taken to talking in public, and not to like minded friends
 
^_^
 
Additionally, it's like you can't catch a break mentioning me in here and then "poof" there I am.
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I always appreciate my workplace a little more after working onsite for a few days.
 
(well, for the ones I like :p)
@mootinator no doubt
 
Oh, look the other half of the internet is back!
@jcolebrand Indeed.
No breaks.
I'm going to stab someone if I have to travel again the week after next.
resumes looking for a jQuery validation plugin which supports multiple levels and updates the UI via callback.
In case anyone knows of such a thing.
 
8:43 PM
@mootinator You should totally drop that and try Prototype.js
 
;-)
 
;-) indeed.
See, these people I'm working for pooh pooed my script for doing that because it was too "homebrew javascript" for them. Which means I have to find a plugin to call my UI updates or make my own more enterprisey plugin.
Post it on the web, and then say: "Here. Mootinator's jQuery validation plugin" does exactly what we need.
Then it's not homebrew anymore, you see? Because I got it from the internet.
 
That trash is garbage. What an awful requirement.
 
Tautology alert!
:)
By the way, it looks like the Data Explorer can't find deleted questions
Even though they're supposedly part of the data dump?
 
8:53 PM
O rly?
I thought they were the exclusive domain of 10k+/mods/etc.
I have an idea.
No, actually that idea sucks.
 
@mootinator Does that make it just a thought then?
 
@cdeszaq Yeap.
 
9:20 PM
status-this-trash-is-garbage
@Chris Haha, I just re-read that xkcd comic today =)
 
answering SO questions on a ferry
 
Boat programming!
 
@awoodland I read that as the wrong "ferry" at first... lets just say there were little wings and lots of questions
 
@jadarnel27 I honestly forgot all about it :)
 
Yes!
 
9:36 PM
hehe
@jadarnel27 If he votes it is either up-boating or down-boating. :P
 
9:48 PM
boat programming :)
 
@TheUnicornWhisperer LOL. Yes, absolutely.
 
10:05 PM
Awesome:
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A: Using the Stack engine for the blog – a long-term idea for maintaining a healthy blogging culture

Jeff AtwoodWe're definitely looking at this and I, at least, feel it is strongly on-mission. However, it would be a major feature and will take (seriously, no really) 6-8 months to put together. And of course there are other things we're working on, but just know that we think this is a great idea that so...

 
10:38 PM
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Q: How do I specify a filetype in a Google search?

MosheIs there a syntax to specify a filetype in a Google search? What is it? (I'm looking for PDFs.)

 
This should be Status: complete apparently:
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Q: Why is Stack Exchange still using the HTML4 doctype with HTML5 features?

Ben BrockaI noticed we're using the following doctype: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> Which leads to validation errors due to our placeholder and autocomplete attributes. Why aren't we using the HTML 5 doctype below? <!DOCTYPE HTML>...

Or was there another post about the doctype?
 
10:57 PM
@mootinator cram it in a separate file, minify it and call it jQuery.Whateverthecrap.js and say it's a plugin
 
11:28 PM
I think I missed something here...
FACEBOOK FACEBOOK FACEBOOK FACEBOOK FACEBOOK FACEBOOK FACEBOOK FACEBOOK FACEBOOK
 
Presumably related to the overwhelming coverage that followed Facebook's IPO filing yesterday.
 
Oh
How did I not hear about that?
I did hear about their yearly profit of $1.00 billion, though
Nice round number
 
Oh, really? Yeah, they filed for a $5 billion IPO
 
Wonder if they'll get gouged like LinkedIn did
 
Hmm, interesting
 
11:43 PM
That's one way of looking at it, anyway
Food for thought
 

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