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2:11 AM
Quick question before I post a meta request - when questions are closed (particularly with 'not a real question'), is there any guidance (eg, links to FAQs on meta) shown to the asker on topics such as "Yes, this can be reopened if you fix it"?
I'd test it out, but I don't think the mods would like that :)
 
No, they don't get shown AFAIK.
I wouldn't mind a meta post that answers that particular Q
 
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Q: Do we display any specific guidance to new users when their questions are closed?

bdonlanAfter seeing a new user's question closed less than two minutes after being opened for "not a real question" (when all it really needed was a reword), I can't help but wonder - do we actually give any guidance to the asker beyond just the standard: It's difficult to tell what is being asked h...

there you go :)
 
 
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3:58 AM
@TimStone No structural damage, just need to replace some boards.
 
 
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6:17 AM
Neither Edit nor Add Another Answer work (the submit just times out). Anyone seeing the same?
 
@Majid not here..
 
@Sathya Thanks. So it should be our Gov monkeys :(
 
@Majid :)
 
 
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7:28 AM
This is a nice way to circumvent the salutation deletion filter!
> Hell I am trying to implement some mod_rewrite directives for a php web site I'm working on, and I can't get directives in the .htaccess file to be used.
 
Heh :P
 
7:41 AM
Pinging @Marc @Rchern in case this is something serious and needs immediate action:
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Q: SO losing author info

PekkaI just answered a question. My (and a fellow answerer's) author info seems to have been lost:

The answer is still in my questions list though, so it appears no data is lost
 
yup it deserves an Eeek! in the title or something.
 
Yeah!
Ah, it's sorted.
Jeff is walking through and deleting each bug report
... which in turn will cause a slew of "Why was my bug report deleted?" questions, of course. :)
 
@Pekka which will further get deleted & the cycle continues :)
 
@Sathya yeah! :)
@Sathya
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Q: So we can't report bugs anymore?

Shadow WizardI just noticed massive deletion of questions reporting the same bug.. it doesn't matter what bug right now. Why not leaving the first and closing all others as duplicate? Shouldn't we report bug as soon as we notice it? Just wondering.

How long until it will be deleted as well?
I say five minutes.
 
7:56 AM
Honestly I didn't think it would actually happen :o
 
Hey there
Seems someone did something wrong?
 
Apparently, yeah!
 
Yeah, looks like a giant bug. I bet they're scrambling. I came in here just to see if it was being talked about.
At least, I hope they're scrambling.
 
@KarlKatzke It's already fixed!
 
8:01 AM
It's not showing as fixed for me...
Oops, now it is
Wasn't when I came in here, honest!
 
Woosh and new bunch of question deleted :P
 
@KarlKatzke they are very fast. :)
 
Wow, yeah, and the question reporting the bug got deleted too.
 
Ahahahahahaha
 
Which is really a shame. Hate when they do that.
 
8:03 AM
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense.
 
this is amusing
 
@Reno: Why?
 
it's fairly typical for Jeff to delete reports for bugs that only ever existed for a couple of minutes
(it was just a DB schema change that had to propagate accross the network, btw)
 
@balpha yeah, that's totally okay. But if he left one standing, there wouldn't be a hubbub over censorship and such, no late dupes asking the same thing, etc. etc.
 
@balpha Yeah, but it'd be nice to see a definitive answer from Jeff and then close the question.
Anyway, back to bed. Was just checking on something and noticed it and decide to follow up since I had a few.
 
8:09 AM
Wow, this is just so irritating
Why can't they communicate like normal people?
Deleting feedback without any response is just so disrespectful
 
I'm trying to communicate, but apparently nobody cares. Screaming "censorship!" is just more hip
 
@balpha you don't mean what I said though, did you? (Because that was not what I meant)
 
@balpha: Are you from the mod team? How did you try to communicate? My question got first closed as a duplicate - ok. But after that, both my question and the one mine was a dup to got deleted.
 
Granted, but leaving just one would have been nice, then closing/deleteing the others would be ok.
But, yes, conspiracy theories are much more fun.
 
:D
 
@balpha how does that scream "censorship"?
 
"to be swept under the rug", hmm?
 
@balpha: Well, that's exactly the expression "you" are creating with this kind of behavior.
 
@balpha are those my words? I inserted the question for documentation out of a reflex because the "deleted questions" list was on the top anyway.
I am not screaming censorship. It was just a 15-second bug, the reports have no importance
 
8:14 AM
we need a peace bong in here.
 
But it's still not nice to remove all of them.
 
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A: Questions / bug-reports get deleted on meta without notice

Jeff AtwoodIf the bug is related to a build artifact that will exist for all of 5 minutes, after which point it will automatically correct itself -- this "bug" is of no future value and does not need to exist at all. Basically, "wait 5 minutes, and you'll never see this again for the entire history of reco...

 
Simply because it leads to people screaming censorship.
 
I don't understand why you are wondering about such responses. People don't like to have their stuff deleted without any justification. It just sucks
 
@Reno it's a little early for that over here but still a good idea! :)
 
8:15 AM
@Pekka well, you added it to the "swept under the rug list", so I assumed that's how you categorized it. if you didn't all is well :) I know you're a bit more resonable than lance
 
@balpha I regard that list more as an archive - when I add something to it, it isn't necessarily an accusation against Jeff or anything. (Although I see now how it could create that impression.)
 
That cat looks rather high, but it's just its way of smiling.
 
8:29 AM
I can haz bugz reeportz?
 
@Pekka haha
 
Arrrgh.
 
8:47 AM
but I'm not telling, because I don't want to be the one who caused the second round of angry flaming today :)
 
@Pekka seems like his posts were hit by spam flags
 
Yeah.
 
... or one of the bug reports that were deleted...
 
 
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10:16 AM
is anyone able to view SEDE ? odata.stackexchange.com
 
@JoseK >
> This Stack Exchange site is currently offline for maintenance
 
@Sathya: yeah - oh gr8, i should be accessing data.stackexchange.com
have old bookmarks
 
oh, d'oh me, didn't notice the URL
 
 
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12:41 PM
@balpha Is it too late to get out my pitchfork and torch? I was thinking of demanding that you tweet everything that ever happens in fifteen minute intervals, so that there will be no chance of anyone missing out on the super important life lessons that can be found from minor, short-lived issues.
 
It's never too late for pitchfork and torch ;p
 
Ah, excellent! I'll get right on that once my stomach stops writhing in pain, then.
 
That mosquito that was killing me (figuratively) has now been killed (literally)
 
I am intrigued (minimally)
 
Did it die in epic fashion?
 
12:49 PM
The forth one today. Waking up at 3am in the morning to hunt down mosquito is really really fun
 
How do they keep finding their way to you, anyway?
 
@TimStone A*, I suspect
 
1:17 PM
I just killed a mosquito. You can thank me later when it's no longer able to cross the Pacific just to harass you, @YiJiang.
 
1:49 PM
@TimStone You clearly didn't read carefully enough. The tweets need to come in intervals of no greater than five minutes.
 
True. This will guarantee ample opportunity for the play-by-plays on events in the sub-fifteen minute range.
 
Actually, according to Definitive Official Source Pekka, "It was just a 15-second bug." So tweets need to happen every 14 seconds. Or more frequently.
 
2:15 PM
Hey everyone. Just a question. When I see question with should I add ?
 
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Q: Should jQuery questions always be tagged with "javascript"?

Crescent FreshThis is a tough question to ask, because it will seem like I'm either informing on fellow SO'ers and/or concerning myself too much with Rank. Here's the non-controversial version: jQuery is a library we all know, and it's written in JavaScript. What is the tagging policy for questions on popular...

 
@Yi Jiang good, thanks
 
hi
@genesisφ why do you made that room to specific people only?
 
which one?
yep, I was trying it. why?
 
@genesisφ Testing room
 
2:25 PM
@Dam room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk
 
@genesisφ i saw that :)
@genesisφ so what was your context in making that room?
 
@Dam permissions to read/write access
@Dam flagged that room. it will be frozen/deleted
 
@genesisφ so that can be removed i think?
@genesisφ ok... :)
 
@Dam yes it can
 
@genesisφ i just want to make you alarm, its not good to make dummy rooms , but i can understand , you are testing. so i alarmed you. Nothing in personal
 
2:28 PM
@Damer, yes already flagged. Feel free to flag it too
 
@genesisφ iam unable to flag it
 
flag post there
to freeze or to delete
 
3:17 PM
Examiner's report are generally very interesting to read. For instance:
> Naomi Klein, the last time we checked, is (still) a woman. Hence, candidates should use the feminine pronoun to refer to the writer of passage 1
> Africa is a CONTINENT, not a country
> Some candidates talked about Nelson Mandela as though he were the President of the whole of Africa
 
@Yi hey :) Can you say me why I do see flags count only sometimes in the topbar even if there are unresolved flags?
 
@genesisφ tell me. If you took any action (press any of the three buttons) for all of the currently active flags the count should go away. Otherwise, no idea
 
3:51 PM
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A: Stack Exchange Mobile Launched

Yi Jiang Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 3.1; en-us; K1 Build/HMJ37) AppleWebKit/534.13(KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Safari/534.13 The most important thing here is the Android 3.x portion, which matches the default Android browser on 3.x Honeycomb tablets. Most Android tablets are large enough to vi...

 
4:06 PM
To hell with mobile sites... I want the desktop version all the time.
 
@YiJiang can't reproduce the gaming issue; full site works fine on my honeycomb tablet
 
pulls out the Singapore: UNSUPPORTED hanging in the wings
 
4:31 PM
Where are new users actually told to not say hi or thanks? I don't see it in /how-to-ask or /faq.
 
Hi jerks, thanks in advance for moderating my small talk out.
 
@PopularDemand Seems like people wanted them to be (and I feel like there was a more active discussion somewhere...), but they aren't currently.
 
4:51 PM
I just told someone in a comment that it didn't follow site policy and then couldn't find a "newbie page" to point to. Felt weird.
 
@TimStone Singapore: FILE_NOT_FOUND
 
@jcolebrand Did you mean: "Sand Gap, OR"? (Click here to search for "singapore")
 
@PopularDemand probably. I'm classy like that
 
@PopularDemand Yeah, telling people "There's this policy that you had no reason to come across to be aware of" is a bit odd. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if someone felt that it was implicit in the whole Q&A deal though, since you're asking a question, not starting a dialogue, but eh.
 
@PopularDemand it has assuredly been discussed on meta in discussions about cleanups, and jeff added a regex (if that helps you find it)
 
5:03 PM
No, I know it's been discussed on Meta, but you can't expect a new user to have trawled Meta before asking his first question. And no, new users don't usually read the FAQ before asking, but at least we can reasonably tell them that reading the FAQ is expected.
 
True, but the FAQ isn't going to cover site-culture
 
Just put it in the initial ban message. You've been banned for trying to be polite, what were you thinking?!
 
I figured you knew about all those discussions, you're much more a metahead than I am
 
 
5:27 PM
Humidity is my nemesis.
 
@Fosco Humidity or humility? :P
 
The first one... I'd like to think I'm quite humble and self-effacing.
 
@Fosco I know, was just joking.
 
 
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6:42 PM
Hey
 
Yo Tyler what's up
 
7:27 PM
Hrm. I just flagged a not-an-answer that was a followup question. A mod deleted the answer and moved its contents into the question body within two minutes. However, the "answer" had terrible spelling/grammar. I totally get that mods are busy and can't be editing every bad thing they see, but it still seems like it's kinda bad form for them to just move crap from one place to another. Not sure what to do about it, other than mention it here and hope one of you has a good idea.
 
I miss having coworkers.
 
Anyone here know C++ well? I asked a GCC/C++ question re language design, and I'm hoping for some deeper explanation.
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Q: Is there a limit to the length of identifier names in C++?

MosheIs there a length limit to the names of variables in C++? What is it? Does this have anything to do with the "64/32-bitness" of the machine? EDIT: Specifically, what is GCC's limit?

 
Also, a Southwest corner on my deck. That used to be nice too.
@Moshe It doesn't have anything to do with the machine's native word length because the compiler throws them out and just keeps track of registers/memory addresses.
 
How would I check the limit then?
I could create a variable name using a for loop, but...
 
Figure out where it's defined in gcc's source code ;)
 
7:42 PM
@mootinator Where can I get that?
 
Thanks.
 
hi all
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Q: Revision control -- see diffs of Title

NealNow i noticed that on stack overflow you can now see diffs of the different revisions side-by-side by clicking one of the buttons next to the revision. My gripe with that is that it does not show changes to the title side by side. For example: http://stackoverflow.com/posts/7393045/revisions C...

 
8:01 PM
It baffles me that this suggested edit was approved:
</rant>
 
@RobHruska ?
 
I'm just saying - the approved edit has spelling and capitalization errors. The editor also could have cleaned up the question body.
 
@RobHruska ehhh its gunna be deleted soon anyway :-P
 
It just bugged me, so I had to vent.
I know :)
 
@RobHruska vote to delete :-P
(if u can)
 
8:05 PM
It seems like we could do better to encourage some sort of standard for edit approval. I don't have a good suggestion. It just seems off.
It's not that I'm that concerned about that actual question. It's the principle that bugs me. I've seen a couple similar instances in the past (of edits that in no way [imo] should be approved).
 
@RobHruska so write a meta Q :-D
^_^
 
:) - I don't really feel like every minor rant that goes through my head is meta-worthy.
 
@RobHruska :-p it could be ^_^
 
Perhaps. I'll have to accumulate more evidence first to see if it's actually a widespread problem. There probably aren't enough cases to warrant a solution.
 
@RobHruska u never never know (or you might know, but I don't :-D)
 
8:40 PM
w00t i got @Jeff's attention!
 
hah
 
@genesisφ what? i did.
 
I see it
 
9:10 PM
Eeeek
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Q: Eeeeeek! I can get flag weight for free immediately?

genesis-φOkay, there's nice workaround to get some free flag weight! What you need 3k minimal, 10k for the easiest way Way to reproduce it Find question with 4 close votes (10k here) Flag that question Vote to close that question Result: All flags on closed questions are automatically marked...

 
@genesisφ i see.... hmmmmm
i dont think it matters much
 
Well, Robert Harvey♦ told me
 
@genesisφ ?
 
to fill bug report
 
@genesisφ where did he say that?
@genesisφ also happens on migration. I just tested it.
 
9:19 PM
yes it works in any case
 
@genesisφ hmmmm
 
yup?
 
idk, just hmmmmm
 
9:37 PM
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Q: Update image on faq for flags

NealOn the Faq Page for flags and flagging can we update the image to a more recent view of how it looks? For example: Question Flag: Answer Flag:

@genesis ^^
 
huh
horrible pink
 
@genesisφ and it look nothing of how the flag thing looks now lol
@genesisφ how many is ur max flagging on stackoverflow?
 
49?
ur?
1003 moderator attention flags
950 deemed helpful
22 declined
 
45 atm.
@genesisφ ?? where di u get that info?
nm
 
you don't know?
 
9:43 PM
Your flagging history
104 moderator attention flags
72 deemed helpful
3 declined

9 posts marked spam
* older flags were not recorded helpful/declined
 
:D only 104 ?
I even made bot to flag
 
@genesisφ ahhh haaa.... idk if u allowed to do that. its not always correct...
@genesisφ whats ur flag weight?
 
37 secs ago, by genesis-φ
I even made bot to flag
 
741?
 
wait what?
 
9:44 PM
742
 
You can't make a bot to flag, that's subverting the system and will get you a timeout
 
@jcolebrand ummmm yea i know, i dont think that is legal.
 
@jcole @neal sorry, you misunderstood. I put linkks into textarea and it flags itself
 
@genesisφ ?????
 
sec
 
9:47 PM
@genesisφ u are not allowed to do that.
 
@Neal is it in rules?
@Neal btw I do not do it anymore
 
@genesisφ using a bot? im sure it is...
 
@NEAL YOU DIDN'T GET ME :p
 
uhhh uh...
 
sry for caps
It's not finding bad posts and flagging it for me.
 
9:48 PM
@genesisφ ??
 
It just flags wrong posts found by me
 
if you have the post ID ... then you're generally on that page ... so you can flag it right then yourself
 
@jcole trust me, it was faster and more funnier
 
.....
 
@Neal these were only about 50 posts or so
 
9:50 PM
So the mods should only roll you back a few days?
 
@jcole no.
@jco do you think nobody noticed 2s timestamps between them?
 
nobody watches them, so why would they notice?
 
okay... nevermind
 
oy?
 
9:53 PM
hi
My keyboard is covered in dog hair.
I'm meta.so's resident whiner.
 
@mootinator no you're not. I can't believe you would say that. Everyone knows that ...
 
^_^
 
10:58 PM
^ I always assume that anything new to me is new to everyone else, so I'm posting a xkcd blog entry from two weeks ago.
 

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