On point "2" - are you sure you didn't get an edit approved? Reviewers can choose an option to Approve your edit and make additional edits of their own. Check the edit history on the question, if this is the case your edit will be below theirs. On point "3" I believe the "approve" you got had nothing to do with your 2nd edit, but I cannot be sure. It shouldn't have been approved (sorry, I'm unbaised when reviewing ;)) Leaving out other things, even just the fact you mentioned moving from 0 rep to 1 rep meant a reject, as it's impossible so would have made the tag info factually incorrect.

Hang on Patron, I need more time to digest what you wrote. However I'm unsure if it's OK to post specific links. But with your support (backup), nobody will stop me from posting the exact facts. Please advice which "SE facility" (as in the title) you recommend me to use to actually answer (proof) what I mean, OK? PS: other option might be to just post such links as a temporary comment here, which I delete after you tell me you saw it.

Patron, to answer your "on point 2": yes I am, I just looked it up ... However I just realised it is one of my rejected edits from yesterday (sorry, not today) ... I just slightly edited my question to reflect that that was from yesterday, but the fact itself as mentioned in "2" is correct. The specific question currently even still has parts of my comments (visible to anybody) with the communication with user X (I only left my last comment in it). Can you find it, or do I just post the rejected edit link and delete it shortly afterwards?

You missed the comment from the one rejecting your edit in section #2: "This edit did not correct critical issues with the post - view the revision history to see what should have been changed".

Patron, regarding your point 3 feedback: sorry, but that's a bit confusing. But it also somehow confirms I think my own confusion, and surprise that I was able to intercept and correct. Before the 2nd approval was given, I for sure SAW the further refined edit suggestion, thinking for myself "Patron refers to that '...0 rep to 1...', which I bet the other reviewers will not SEE anymore, how funny/interesting. How about I create a NEW question (to not highjack this one !!!) to ask my question(s) related to the comment in the final reject, and we forget about that issue "here". Makes sense?

Who is this "Patron" you keep referring to in your comments? Are you talking to yourself or something like that?

Anyway, you wrapped a very simple question with TONS of rant and noise, in case you wonder about the downvotes. It's a dupe, with answers on the original question which was asked properly: short and to the point.

Shadow, sorry, that's my nickname for James. And there is a good reason for it, which I explained some days before. If you want I'll later on (not now) point you to where I wrote about that. For short: "Patron" indicates, around here, somebody you have an enormous respect for. Makes sense? Hang on for reply to your other comment ...

Shadow, please be nice to me, will you? To be honest I don't "mind" about the downvotes (how can that be true? Do I make you curious about what my "reaction" to any of them are? If so, sorry, don't want to disclose that). And I also need time to go lookup the word "appeal". But if it is what I'm about sure it is, then I believe (I have the right I hope) that it is not. About rant and noise: I just have a different style. Which is to prepare and document my question as detailed as I can, to avoid all possible confusion, extra questions, etc.

My bullet 2 can, I hope, impossibly be considered as a duplicate of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/113727/… ... And my bullet 3 at least also questions some bizarre workflow steps that I don't think are reflected in the suggested duplicate. And I don't see at all how the suggested duplicate relates to my bullet 1. Sorry ... Anyway, you want to consider it a duplicate, so what. The world will not stop turning ... I trust. Just know that doing so will not stop my NUE-initiative ... unless it would not comply with SE rules I do not know yet!

Calling people nicknames you invented yourself won't make them friendlier and may be considered offensive in some cultures. Writing long winded rants won't help in having people understand what you mean. Please strive to spend more time in cutting your post to a paragraph.

PS to aybody: please TEACH me with more comments about anything I add in this question to "defend my case", feeling (again) in the middle of some lions (at least 1 I am not afraid of) ... but you know what .. I'm out for a walk now with "mypatou" ... (google it if needed, and maybe get a bit surprised, though it has nothing to do with this question)

1 more to reply to Deer Hunter: thank you for your advice, I'll consider , and try part of it. Don't agree with your nickname remark, but that's a matter of culture of course, as you also suggested.

meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=Teach

@James: Don't worry, be happy!

To clarify point "3" - forget everything that might have been wrong with your tag edit suggestion. Now, 1 single thing alone meant the edit suggestion could not be allowed: Your edit suggestion stated: "reading the page would increase your rep from 0 to 1". Users cannot have "0" rep, so your text was incorrect. This alone is enough to reject - just being factually incorrect as the site needs to be accurate, especially in it's own help center. As said before, you should slow down on the edits until you're more familiar, as the rejections will mount up and you'll lose your privilege to edit.

@James: just to make sure you understand/know ... YES I fully agree with your "This alone is enough to reject". But that is not "my" point. Hang on for more feedback on what "is" my point ...

@James: Re: "you should slow down ...": yes I know/remember your prior recommendation on that. But I'm sorry that we seem to have a different opinion. That's about my only "defence" (as a newbie) to 6 down-votes. Let me rephrase that: If I "succeed" in 3 approved edits, it compensates the "price I have to pay" for raising my voice with the glasses from a newbie. Understand what I mean? And by the way, on this SE site, my current balance is 19 edits approved vs 9 rejected (on Drupal Question it's way better then about 2/3 approved ...). More in my next comment

To continue my prior comment. How much "effort" does it really take me to earn 3 approved edits: hardly any ... There is soooo much "low hanging fruit" (missing tag contents, poor tag content, etc). Same with Poor question titles. So while having a coffee, it's easy to grab a few and put those ******* reviewers to work, so that it is going to be extremely hard for them to say "reject" (though there are some **** reviewers that will reject anyhow). Just wait a few hours, or a day at max, and the damage is repaired. But ... there is even more ... to make it even more easy ... See next comment

SE is a global thing, and after you do some of those edit suggestions, and you run into some rejects, you little by little start to recognise patterns. One of the things I have experienced (I think, not 100 % sure), is that "my" morning hours (while having a coffee and a "croissant", I trust it is English also) is the best time to reduce the risk of rejections to a minimum. As compared to my afternoon/evening hours, where you have to be more careful if you want to not get in trouble with too much rejected edits (you fill in which continent has woken up then ...). More in next comment

Based on my area of interest (= Business Intelligence using Drupal) I'm thinking of working on creating some stats or something, which I hope to be able to use to proof (confirm) the pattern I seem to notice (as detailed above). That's why I'm about to launch a new question about "JSON" (whatever that means). Some more details about the about 9 rejects (my "interpretion"): some of them (about 3 or 4) are as detailed in my bullets in this question, about 2 or 3 are actual errors I made (sorry). For the rest of them (somewhere between 2 and 4) ... see next comment

Those 2 to 4 remaining rejects are actually the results of some experiments (tests) I did. Something like "What would happen (reject or approve) if I suggest an edit like so ... Sample 1: I only edit some typos, to be sure that it gets indeed rejected, as I somewhere read. And yes that was the case (I only believe what I saw with my own eyes ...). Sample 2: what if I only do some reformatting, like split in paragraphs, add some markup, etc. Prediction = should be rejected , Result = indeed (thanks for confirming dear reviewers). More in next comment (yes there is more ...)

Some more samples of succeeded (not rejected, aka approved edits): only change a ridiculous question title (bingo!), add "recommended resources" in wiki tags (bingo), add related tags (bingo). OK, now we are cooking! I have a kind of toolkit now, to easily find all sorts of low hanging fruit, that with hardly any effort are straight forward to submit an edit suggestion for. Well dear SE users with a way higher reputation then I have, I have everything I need now to start my NUE-initiative. More in next comment (yes, there is even more ...)

@Sabre, thanks for mentioning that ... guess what: earlier today I agreed with a new customer to start teaching, in a few weeks from now, about 20 students also (as their subcontractor). If you would want to disclose so, about your "I come here": looking for what? Or "what not"?

To continue ... I started a collection (simply a set of bookmark) of dozens (if not hundreds) of all sorts of edit suggestion that "I am interested in contributing to", mixed with those low hanging fruit things. I'm not in a hurry to use that low hanging fruit, it may come in handy if some day, because of some stupid mistake I might make, I'm getting in trouble with my "reputation" going down way to much. So with that, why would I wait any longer. I'm going to try to "raise my voice" as a newbie. I'm going to ask questions ... More in next comment

@Sabre: interesting topics! Seems like your equivalent of why I registered (not more then that so far) for the gardening site, and the "pets" (related to "MyPatou", ie a "Great Pyrenees" I mentioned somewhere earlier)

About finished now. Raising my voice as a newbie, and knowing that I'm questioning things I experience from (mostly) the ******* reviewers, and given the fact that you need "some" reputation (points) to be allowed to vote (which most newbies do not have yet), what else would you expect then down-votes? Because that's about the only thing I can think of as a way for most of those ***** reviewers to stop me from bringing up questions like this one. Attention: I've noticed that there are a few others like @James (luckily!). Just haven't had enough exposure to them to better "estimate" them ...

Waw @Sabre , "chapeau" for that (= heads off!), really! And then we get stuck in these kind of "meta"-questions . PS: that's why I also upvoted your comments ...

YES! At least 1 vote up. Thank you very much "anonymous". Whish I could think of a way to get to know "what the reason for it" was. The best assumption/estimation I can make is like "just the content of the question", or maybe somebody to express some kind of support for the NUE-initiative. To avoid questions similar to "Who is Patron", or suggestions like "Do not invent your own whatever": NUE = Nue User Experience. And if you add nue, you get some type of feature similar to a "real tag" which by the way, cannot really be created by ... Newbies (requires sufficient point)!.

MUST SEE: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/38031 ... Remember the title of my question ...

NEXT IN LINE: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/38030 (note the 2nd judgement) ... Yeh right, especially if you realise what the target audience of this specific tag is. Wanna see some other tag content samples that are waaaaaaaaaaaaay longer? Enough for today .. But that's not "I give up" ...

@ɥʇǝS; thank you very, very much for your final judgement in meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/38030 Note however that it was quite a challenge to type your SE - user name on a BE keyboard, and probably many other keyboards ... But of course copy-and-paste is your friend in such cases! @martijn-pieters : sorry friend that in this case your rejection was overruled (hey, that's part of the SE system, right?). But I'm interested in having a conversation with you to, trying to sort out your reasons for rejection, so that I can learn from it. LEARN and TALK IS "my" goal here ...

@Pierre.Vriens The only people who can be notified with @this are people who have already commented on the same post, were the author of the post (you in this case), or editors. Seth and martijn, not being one of these people, will not get that message. Note that an autocomplete suggestion appears with my name when typing @d, but not for @m. @replies are not a messaging system to arbitrary users, just a system for responding to people who've interacted with that particular post. (This also means you cannot respond to people who merely reviewed a suggested edit on a post.)

You can read more about replies here: How do comment @replies work?. (Note also that authors - you in this case - will always get a notification about new comments on a post, whether or not they were @'d.)

Sigh.You just keep adding more and more noise to something that could have been written in a single paragraph - see the dupe. I fear you can't grasp how this site (Meta Stack Exchange) works and sorry for that, but looks like you can't really be "educated". Same for your rejected edits: you just add lots of words, but in the end don't really improve anything. It's all boiling down to one fundamental thing you don't understand: people on Stack Exchange prefer things to be short and to the point.

Thank you @doppelgreener for your valuable feedback. The link you suggested was already in my bookmarks, but I haven't succeeded in digesting that yet. But from what you suggested here, I bump up the priority to go do so. Any other suggestions for similar tools or links for me to investigate, to see if they could help address "my" question? E.g.: I refuse to believe that there is no equivalent for creating comments and deleting them a bit later (as a kind of chatbox, I start to assume that that is something related to "not enough points yet".

@Pierre No. I am not sure what your issue is, as I am unwilling to read the whole question: it's enormous, and I can tell it can be said in many fewer words - I suspect you could delete 3/4 of the words you've written and lose nothing important. This means at least 75% of the time I spend reading it would be wasted, so it's not worth reading. Your writing rambles a lot and should not do that. Consider that you have done a voyage out; but you need to do a voyage back - and use the delete key liberally.

OK Shadow Wizard, point taken, I'll try to improve as in your "bold" suggestion. FYI: I'm planning on "moving" (= backup + delete) probably most of 'my' comments here soon. With my TLDR-mark I added in my OP already I hope I'm moving in the right direction to find a compromise between "short and to the point" and my preference, which is "ensure it is fully documented so that there is no room for misunderstanding". Any additional feedback on that is appreciated, but only if it is constructive (if not I just ignore it and will not even comment to it anymore). @James - style ideally ...

I say that as someone who also writes a lot - but then I delete as much as I can on the voyage back, in the spirit of saying - and making people read - no more than necessary.

@doppelgreener : I did not see you comment before I added my last one, but your link somehow confirms (I think) my FYI is indeed the way to go also. And your link illustrates a variation of my "style" of question title edit suggestions, i.e.: before I read anything in the question details, I want to be able to predict the question before opening it, to judge if it's worth clicking on some linked question or selecting some search result.

@doppelgreener: just checked out the voyage ... link. That is "my" style of preparing wiki edit suggestions. One only sees the final result, the "compressed version", and not all the intermediate revisions I did. That is also why I then get extremely frustrated (my grrrr-moment = walk away from SE ...) if they sometimes get rejected with a reason which is some flavour of "if that is all, or the only 'minor' edit, then I reject it". Variation of that is what resulted in my recent question of iterative wiki edits, not quite the same, but similar. Away from my desk now (for quite a while)

I'm still a newbie, but I think I know the impact of hitting 1 more down-vote. Suspense how much longer that is going to take. After that happens (will it?), I'll 'come back to it'. In the meantime I'm out again for a while, I'll find out later how it evolved. So be my guest ... Any privileged down-voter out there who is willing to pay the price to reach the -10 mark (only -1 you have to pay for it I assume)? So so that you know: haven't thought of reviewing my available options to consider to somehow "intercept" at this point my self (note to myself: todo to prepare for my next question)

Just to anybody interested in better understanding what I'ms trying to describe in my issue 3: while I'm digesting my croissant, a similar event is happening right now, this time 1 approve, followed by 1 reject. I just "tried" to counter the valid reject reason, which however is less useful then the one from @James, since it says the URL is invalid, but not what the valid one would be. I jumped in during the approval process (IMHO I should NOT be able to do so at this very moment, but I could). And so if you were to be the final reviewer, you cannot know what the rejection reason is about!

Part 2 of my prior comment: wouldn't it be nice if at this very moment (or whenever I'm around again), this approval process would be temporary interrupted, so that the rejector and I can have some conversation, eg so that I can ask him "OK, would you mind telling me what IS the correct URL that you are talking about, I'd be happy to then re-edit my suggestion, and restart the entire approval process. Many words again, but anybody like @James must understand now what I mean with "the review workflow is not right ... and frustrating to me at this very point". Enough as an argument to REOPEN?

Anybody willing to teach me to understand the reject reasons for this suggested edit: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/38046 ? Note: I do not want to appeal it, I just want to understand the reject reasons in the context of the actual changes I applied. Ie how can leaving a broken fix be better then the fix I suggested ...? That is what both rejectors seem to be saying. Why can I not ask "them" that very specific question. That is what "my question" here is! Sorry, but 'that' I just don't quite understand. I'm changing back to grrrrrrr mode for a while, where is "mypatou"?

Hangon before I walk out: I just realised that it was @ShadowWizard who actually issued that "reject" with "Meta Stack Exchange is for all sites, it's incorrect to make the wiki specific to MSE". So if still around, can you please let me know what the correct URL should be? And also share your viewpoints about the workflow "issue" I described above please? Better still, what would be a good way to get in touch with you without having to write this extra comment here? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreetings

Just for the record: I wanted to suggest an edit to meta.stackexchange.com/questions/200307/… ... and then this happened: "You are temporarily banned from suggesting edits - please review your edit history." ... And some other 'events' (related to my recent edit suggestions) happened ...

@Pierre.Vriens: You had too many suggested edits rejected. It seems you are making too much edits that aren't really useful, so they get declined. Learn from it and move on.

Thank you @PatrickHofman for your recommendation . I'll do as you suggested. About "too many": yes indeed, but the rejection "reasons" are also interesting (hope nobpdy will be able to remove them)... About "learning from it": I do, rest assured ... Moving on now as you requested ...

@PatrickHofman: please communicate my gratitude to whomever created the perfect test conditions for me to file my question at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/251550/… ... And thank you also for whoever in the meantime seem to have lift the "ban" (or whatever that is called). With that I hope I convinced some more people following this issue about my good intentions. Maybe I made some of the down-voters doubt? Or the DUP-voters? No "compliments" please, really not, that is NOT what my NUE is all about ... @James?!?

Most likely one of your suggested edits was approved, which made your fault percentage just high enough to be unbanned. One bad edit could ruin that again though.

Thx Patrick! Does anybody have any means to get the "Most likely" part of Patrick's comment replace by something we can rely on "For sure". Also, does a newbie have any means to find out what his/her "fault percentage" actually is. E.G I remember at some point (last week) I had 4 approves vs 4 rejects, I know for sure because I checked when (I believe) @James (kindly) warned me to watch out for that. Also, what are "your" suggestions for the kind of edit that >90% sure will not end up pas such "bad" edit?

@Pierre.Vriens I have read and replied to your questions for some days now, including some which took 10 mins to read, and twice as long to reply (bearing in mind I charge £30 per hour for my time when working, so I consider my own time to be very precious.). Two days ago I advised that your tag edits are not good, and you should hold off until you learn about Stack more. I even went to the trouble of not using a generic rejection message in the tag edit suggestion review, and spent my time writing one out to try to help you. But you ignore everything I (and others) advise.

A lot of people come to Stack, and a lot of people ask generic and duplicated questions - they usually get ignored and passed a link to read. However, people have spent a lot of time replying to you, advising you directly, answering your questions which can be found from already present information by searching and reading. People advising you are moderators, high valued members, people who know who Stack works inside and out. Whether the ways Stack works is good, or bad, or other, they know HOW it works, so have advised you on how it works, but you ignore that valuable information. Why?

You need to ignorethe "approves" you got on your terrible tag edits. You are grasping on to some hope from some users who WRONGLY approve bad edits because they misjudged, or just want their rep points or are working towards a badge. Sorry to be blunt, but you need to realise that judging if your edits are good or bad based on some net total or average of reject VS approve is nonsense! Some of those edits you actually had approved and went through, have been overruled and rolled back by a senior user. And to be honest, if he had not done so, I was going to, as would someone else.

We can only give you advice so much. If you continue to ignore it, and ask more and more questions instead of slowly soaking up what you have asked and been told "so far", then you will be in an endless loop of always asking new things, and never learning the previous things you asked about, and so will never learn anything at all. Also, if you continue to ignore the advice you have already been given, then you will eventually use up all time other users are willing to give to you. Then when you ask something else, it'll be ignored, or marked as dupe.

If you continue to make bad edits, and especially tags because they are Stack site resources, then you'll have your privileges revoked. Then all the learning and reading you've done so far will all be completely wasted. I can only give you this advice, as others have given you really good advice too. It is up to you to read it, digest it, let it sink in, and then once you know more about how Stack works, then, and only then, can you debate about how it works! It's like going to formula 1 Ferrari race pit and giving Sebastian Vettel a few "tips" just because you have a driving license...

You just ask question after question, and seem unwilling to "read" and "take in others' advice". You ask a gazillion additional questions in comments on your question which is huge in itself with many sub question in it. No one can keep up with what you are asking, and you surely cannot learn about all the things you are trying to at once. It takes time to learn Stack stuff. You simply need to accept other people's advice. Then in a few months when you've a lot more Stack experience and knowledge, you can contest that advice, and even suggest improvements. Search and read, stop asking, please

@James , et all: Mea culpa, honestly. Give me some times to digest your, as always, valuable input. And do not hesitate to correct me again when needed. OK, for now?

@Pierre.Vriens Sure. Don't take offence, none was intended. I'm trying to help. To be honest, I've given you everything I can now. Those last comments I've made sum it all up, and it's up to you now. Start reading a fair bit, & slowly joining in with questions and answers. Only edit if you see something which "could be improved". All this "low hanging fruit" you call it is going to be "trivial". You can find edits to make around the site, but when you look, ask yourself "does it really need editing - will this really improve this text - or am I just trying to find things to edit?"

I do not know what to say anymore right now, and of course No Offence! How about if I try to get @lvr123 a bit more comfortable, via little tips as the one I just gave him by responding to his comment? By telling him visit the help page. Unless I hear different I'll assume that's a very tiny step in the direction of trying to compensate already for my mistakes ...

I don't see that you've made "mistakes" as such, I see that you're keen on helping and getting involved, but you have tried to run before you can walk (a well known English phrase). As in, as babies, we learn to crawl, then learn to walk, then learn to run. The same can be applied to many things in life.

Imagine a person who has never used Drupal. - They install Drupal, and immediately find it doesn't do something they want, and suddenly they start coding a module for themselves. They are posting questions in the forum asking why this and that, and asking why their module code is not working correctly. Someone mentions "Hooks" and some other essential requirements for Drupal module coding. So they ask about all that too, and why when their module code is fine and should work, it doesn't, and also why Drupal still does XYZ not ABC. Would you tell them to first learn how Drupal works etc?

What's in a name, wrong 'approach' maybe, or wrong 'attitude'? Whatever, it is what it is. Talking about babies, how about this thought I had earlier today: SE is like a swimming pool without such small pool for babies, everybody is assumed to know how to swim, and even "lurking" aside is not really an option. Everybody entering SE just must be willing to jump in the pool, and swim, swim, swim. Not even sure what "the way out" would be.Talking about "phrases", Would be nice to have some training environment that all (new) users must usee for a while, and pass "exams" (with real reviewers!).

Great comparison, I see your point. in that case I'd point them to what is called "Climbing the Drupal Ladder" ... just in case: drupalladder.org . Does anything similar to that exist in SE? FYI: "I" consider myself about half the way that ladder, which has taken me about 3 years. Not sure if I want to go much higher up on it ... Sounds like "reputation around here, no?

If Stack is like a swimming pool - you chose to go to the diving boards and jump in. You didn't even pinch your nose, and I believe your trunks came flying off as you entered the water. There is a shallow end, for you to wade knee and waist deep. That is "read" what others are saying. Press a "few" buttons "now and then". Suggest a "few" edits, and read the feedback. If you are getting it right, do some more. Again, actively trying to find edits for the sake of it will likely make them pointless,

Thx again. To continue the comparison: given "my" current status, I am now in lurking mode, but that does not seem to help "if" I would worry about my points evolution ... so it is like "how am I supposed to swim now? where are the guards? Full stop.